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Subject: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
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 by: Kaelon - Mon, 2 May 2022 14:43 UTC

Hi Everyone,

I've been e-mailing a bit with digital man, and thought I would open up the conversation to the group. The BBS bug has bitten me once more, and so I'm starting a carefully-considered process of setting up my own system. Before I do, though, I want to create the right anchorage: the Operating System. I'm going to opt for a Windows machine, but I'm on the fence between Windows 32-Bit (which I understand will make a lot of things trivial, given some of the out-of-box support for the 16-bit DOS Doors) and other flavors of Windows.

What is your favorite / recommended Operating System for setting up a brand new Synchronet BBS? If you were to start from scratch today, and build the most scalable canvas upon which to paint your BBS dreams, what system specifications would you aim for?

Thanks for your thoughts!

_____
-=: Kaelon :=-
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To: Kaelon
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: Kaelon to All on Mon May 02 2022 07:43 am

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I've been e-mailing a bit with digital man, and thought I would open up the
> conversation to the group. The BBS bug has bitten me once more, and so I'm
> starting a carefully-considered process of setting up my own system. Before
> I do, though, I want to create the right anchorage: the Operating System.
> I'm going to opt for a Windows machine, but I'm on the fence between Windows
> 32-Bit (which I understand will make a lot of things trivial, given some of
> the out-of-box support for the 16-bit DOS Doors) and other flavors of
> Windows.
>
> What is your favorite / recommended Operating System for setting up a brand
> new Synchronet BBS? If you were to start from scratch today, and build the
> most scalable canvas upon which to paint your BBS dreams, what system
> specifications would you aim for?
>

you should run windows 10 or windows 7 32bit. but, we have almost no users, so beware.
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To: MRO
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: MRO to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 10:07 am

> you should run windows 10 or windows 7 32bit. but, we have almost no users,
> so beware.

Thanks. But, what do you mean by "beware"? As in, likely to not get much traffic? I'm under no delusions that BBS'ing today is a super niche, even if it is undergoing a brief renaissance. That said, I did visit "20 for Beers," "CJ's Place," and a few other systems this weekend, and I will say a dozen or so callers a day makes them for pretty active places. I'll likely set up a system mostly for message bases and files and joining networks like DOVE-Net, FidoNet, and the like.

Or did you mean that we don't have very many Windows 10 or Windows 7 32-bit SysOps?
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To: Kaelon
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: Kaelon to MRO on Mon May 02 2022 08:24 am

> Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
> By: MRO to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 10:07 am
>
> > you should run windows 10 or windows 7 32bit. but, we have almost no
> > users, so beware.
>
> Thanks. But, what do you mean by "beware"? As in, likely to not get much
> traffic? I'm under no delusions that BBS'ing today is a super niche, even if
> it is undergoing a brief renaissance. That said, I did visit "20 for
> Beers," "CJ's Place," and a few other systems this weekend, and I will say a
> dozen or so callers a day makes them for pretty active places. I'll likely
> set up a system mostly for message bases and files and joining networks like
> DOVE-Net, FidoNet, and the like.
>
> Or did you mean that we don't have very many Windows 10 or Windows 7 32-bit
> SysOps?
> _____

there's no users
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To: MRO
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: MRO to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 11:01 am

> there's no users

I'm not sure about that. I've dialed into a few BBS'es and have seen dozens of users checking into them daily. Some, like "20 for Beers," have half a dozen users logged in at the same time, actively playing games and contributing.
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To: Kaelon
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: Kaelon to All on Mon May 02 2022 07:43 am

Ka> Hi Everyone,

Ka> I've been e-mailing a bit with digital man, and thought I would open up
Ka> the conversation to the group. The BBS bug has bitten me once more, and so
Ka> I'm starting a carefully-considered process of setting up my own system.
Ka> Before I do, though, I want to create the right anchorage: the Operating
Ka> System. I'm going to opt for a Windows machine, but I'm on the fence
Ka> between Windows 32-Bit (which I understand will make a lot of things
Ka> trivial, given some of the out-of-box support for the 16-bit DOS Doors)
Ka> and other flavors of Windows.

Ka> What is your favorite / recommended Operating System for setting up a
Ka> brand new Synchronet BBS? If you were to start from scratch today, and
Ka> build the most scalable canvas upon which to paint your BBS dreams, what
Ka> system specifications would you aim for?

I would reccomend Windows 10, 32bit. Win 10 is stable, and the 32bit version works well with the old dos programs. They do have a fix for the 64bit version of windows to run the old doors, bit I heard plus and minus about it. I have one computer running the 64bit version using the fix, but I still opt to run my BBS on the 32bit version. Whatever you use, just have fun with it, and make it your own.

SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
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To: Kaelon
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: Kaelon to All on Mon May 02 2022 07:43 am

> I've been e-mailing a bit with digital man, and thought I would open up the
> conversation to the group. The BBS bug has bitten me once more, and so I'm
> starting a carefully-considered process of setting up my own system. Before
> I do, though, I want to create the right anchorage: the Operating System.
> I'm going to opt for a Windows machine, but I'm on the fence between Windows
> 32-Bit (which I understand will make a lot of things trivial, given some of
> the out-of-box support for the 16-bit DOS Doors) and other flavors of
> Windows.

Whatever you choose, it's easy to move Synchronet between computers running different OSes, so it's not a big deal/decision.
--
digital man (rob)

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DCD = Data Carrier Detect
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To: Digital Man
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: Digital Man to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 11:15 am

> Whatever you choose, it's easy to move Synchronet between computers running
> different OSes, so it's not a big deal/decision.

Thanks, Digital Man. I didn't realize it, but now thinking back to my days SysOp'ing a WWIV BBS, I guess it's just moving the entire directory structure from one device to the other, right?

Windows obfuscates and hides so many configuration files these days, that I have to affirmatively look for programs that are run "portably" so that I know that I can move them. Is Synchronet BBS built this way?
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To: DesotoFireflite
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: DesotoFireflite to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 12:53 pm

> I have one computer running the 64bit version using the fix, but I still
> opt to run my BBS on the 32bit version. Whatever you use, just have fun with
> it, and make it your own.

Well said, DesotoFireflite. Really appreciate the craftsmanship behind the BBS Hobby, and that's what I've been learning most about in the past weekend when I was visiting the surprisingly large number of systems in operation. I love the uniqueness of CJ's Place, 20 for Beers, Valhalla (of course!), and all of the pieces that make these places special and memorable.
_____
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To: Kaelon
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: Kaelon to MRO on Mon May 02 2022 10:39 am

> Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
> By: MRO to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 11:01 am
>
> > there's no users
>
> I'm not sure about that. I've dialed into a few BBS'es and have seen dozens
> of users checking into them daily. Some, like "20 for Beers," have half a
> dozen users logged in at the same time, actively playing games and
> contributing. _____

those are sysops
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To: Kaelon
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Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: Kaelon to All on Mon May 02 2022 07:43 am

Ka> I'm going to opt for a Windows machine, but I'm on the fence between
Ka> Windows 32-Bit (which I understand will make a lot of things trivial, given
Ka> some of the out-of-box support for the 16-bit DOS Doors) and other flavors
Ka> of Windows.

A couple of years ago, I'd say stick to 32-bit. Now, Synchronet has 32-bit archivers by default, I think. As for doors, many are written in Javascript and run inside of the BBS.

With regards to games, I think you could skip running them locally and use one of the BBS game door servers, you'll have a larger pool of players than if you install the games locally.

32-bit XP was great, I had a lot of memory to spare. With 32-bit Windows 10, there's not as much memory available. I'd rather run 64 bit windows, ditch my DOS programs and use the additional memory.

There is a 3rd party 16-bit DOS VDM out there that'll let you run 16-bit DOS apps, but I haven't tried it yet.

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To: Kaelon
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: Kaelon to Digital Man on Mon May 02 2022 11:58 am

> Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
> By: Digital Man to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 11:15 am
>
> > Whatever you choose, it's easy to move Synchronet between computers
> > running different OSes, so it's not a big deal/decision.
>
> Thanks, Digital Man. I didn't realize it, but now thinking back to my days
> SysOp'ing a WWIV BBS, I guess it's just moving the entire directory
> structure from one device to the other, right?

Pretty much:
https://wiki.synchro.net/faq:misc#migration

> Windows obfuscates and hides so many configuration files these days, that I
> have to affirmatively look for programs that are run "portably" so that I
> know that I can move them. Is Synchronet BBS built this way?

Yes. The exceptions are control panel settings which are stored in the Registry (easily exported and re-imported if you need to) and the virtual UART/FOSSIL driver which must reside in the Windows/System32 directory.
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To: poindexter FORTRAN
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 02:17 pm

> There is a 3rd party 16-bit DOS VDM out there that'll let you run 16-bit DOS
> apps, but I haven't tried it yet.

I'm use it (NTVDMx64, a 2021 version) with great success. The one exception is TW2002 which has some weird numeric output issue under NTVDMx64.
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To: MRO
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: MRO to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 04:11 pm

> those are sysops

Is that a problem? Given the niche art that is BBS'ing in the age of the Internet, I'd expect every user to be running their own system, too.
_____
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To: Kaelon
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: Kaelon to MRO on Mon May 02 2022 06:15 pm

>> those are sysops

Ka> Is that a problem? Given the niche art that is BBS'ing in the age of the
Ka> Internet, I'd expect every user to be running their own system, too. _____

My BBS gets users, and while some are sysops, I'm not convinced all are sysops.

Nightfox

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To: Kaelon
El 2/5/22 a las 11:43, Kaelon escribió:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I've been e-mailing a bit with digital man, and thought I would open up the conversation to the group. The BBS bug has bitten me once more, and so I'm starting a carefully-considered process of setting up my own system. Before I do, though, I want to create the right anchorage: the Operating System. I'm going to opt for a Windows machine, but I'm on the fence between Windows 32-Bit (which I understand will make a lot of things trivial, given some of the out-of-box support for the 16-bit DOS Doors) and other flavors of Windows.
>
> What is your favorite / recommended Operating System for setting up a brand new Synchronet BBS? If you were to start from scratch today, and build the most scalable canvas upon which to paint your BBS dreams, what system specifications would you aim for?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts!

Debian GNU/Linux and Sychronet, run solid as rock

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To: poindexter FORTRAN
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 02:17 pm

> Ka> given some of the out-of-box support for the 16-bit DOS Doors) and other
> Ka> flavors of Windows.
>
> A couple of years ago, I'd say stick to 32-bit. Now, Synchronet has 32-bit
> archivers by default, I think. As for doors, many are written in Javascript
> and run inside of the BBS.
>

not many. and the best doorgames are still the dos ones.
> There is a 3rd party 16-bit DOS VDM out there that'll let you run 16-bit DOS
> apps, but I haven't tried it yet.

i dont even want to touch that hack.
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To: Kaelon
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: Kaelon to MRO on Mon May 02 2022 06:15 pm

> Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
> By: MRO to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 04:11 pm
>
> > those are sysops
>
> Is that a problem? Given the niche art that is BBS'ing in the age of the
> Internet, I'd expect every user to be running their own system, too.

sysops are not users. why would you expect that?

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To: Nightfox
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 06:47 pm

> Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
> By: Kaelon to MRO on Mon May 02 2022 06:15 pm
>
> >> those are sysops
>
> Ka> Is that a problem? Given the niche art that is BBS'ing in the age of
> Ka> the Internet, I'd expect every user to be running their own system,
> Ka> too. _____
>
> My BBS gets users, and while some are sysops, I'm not convinced all are
> sysops.
>

are you sure? have you checked lately?
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To: Nightfox
-=> Nightfox wrote to Kaelon <=-

Ni> Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
Ni> By: Kaelon to MRO on Mon May 02 2022 06:15 pm

>> those are sysops

Ka> Is that a problem? Given the niche art that is BBS'ing in the age of the
Ka> Internet, I'd expect every user to be running their own system, too. _____

Ni> My BBS gets users, and while some are sysops, I'm not convinced
Ni> all are sysops.

Same here, and I know for a fact that some are not sysops.

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To: Kaelon
On 5/2/22 07:43, Kaelon wrote:
>
> What is your favorite / recommended Operating System for setting up a
> brand new Synchronet BBS? If you were to start from scratch today, and
> build the most scalable canvas upon which to paint your BBS dreams,
> what system specifications would you aim for?

I've been pretty happy with Linux + Docker... though I need to fix the
check scripts, now that I've updated the build scripts.

Using Ubuntu Server for my host OS... I've used Ubuntu on my pc,
raspberry pi, and WSL2 in windows, been relatively straight forward.
The bbs-io docker image is Debian based, just updated the build scripts
to the current stable release, and simplified the setup.

Now I need to get the release/check scripts updated... 3.19b is broken
on AMD currently. Next few days should have the automated build process
fixed, then will build and update the 3.x releases.
--
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To: MRO
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon May 02 2022 09:34 pm

> > My BBS gets users, and while some are sysops, I'm not convinced all are
> > sysops.
>
> are you sure? have you checked lately?

It sounds like you're picking a fight, MRO. So what if users are or aren't SysOps themselves? BBS'ing is a hobby, a passion-project, a labor of love. People should be doing this, in my opinion, because they love doing it, not because they want to convene some sort of mass-following of end-users or community-build.

That said, given the traffic that I am seeing on the active and *unique* BBS'es, I am fairly convinced that most of these users are *not* SysOps. In particular, I look at "20 for Beers," "CJ's Place," and "Valhalla" as good examples of very active, unique, valuable BBS'es that don't just look like something that someone else has done.

For that reason, if/when I set up a BBS, I would want to contribute something unique that makes people want to call and log in frequently. That will take time, passion, and commitment. And I want to learn more about it.
_____
-=: Kaelon :=-
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To: Kaelon
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: Kaelon to MRO on Tue May 03 2022 08:19 am

> Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
> By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon May 02 2022 09:34 pm
>
> > > My BBS gets users, and while some are sysops, I'm not convinced all
> > > are sysops.
>
> > are you sure? have you checked lately?
>
> It sounds like you're picking a fight, MRO.

no, it's a question. you sound like one of those guys that joins reddit to get karma and asks a lot of questions for upvotes.

> So what if users are or aren't
> SysOps themselves? BBS'ing is a hobby, a passion-project, a labor of love.

it's a big difference. don't tell me what "BBS'ing" is. I've been
doing it longer than you.

> For that reason, if/when I set up a BBS, I would want to contribute
> something unique that makes people want to call and log in frequently. That
> will take time, passion, and commitment. And I want to learn more about it.

whatever dude. i hate reading what you write.
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To: Gamgee
no you don't.
you don't get many users at all. i just checked out your bbs a few weeks ago.
you have arelor and that other guy. that's about it for your users.
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 by: Nightfox - Tue, 3 May 2022 16:19 UTC

To: MRO
Re: Rec'd Operating System for SBBS 3.19c+
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon May 02 2022 09:34 pm

>> My BBS gets users, and while some are sysops, I'm not convinced all
>> are sysops.

MR> are you sure? have you checked lately?

Some of them occasionally send me emails saying things like they just found out BBSes still exist etc. and they say they want to thank me for running mine, etc..

Nightfox

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