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* Timing of inn 2.7?Kevin Bowling
+- Re: Timing of inn 2.7?Julien ÉLIE
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From: kevin.bo...@kev009.com (Kevin Bowling)
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Subject: Timing of inn 2.7?
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 by: Kevin Bowling - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 18:11 UTC

Hi,

I'd like to put the new sqlite overview into service. Is there any
timeline for the 2.7 release at this point?

Regards,
Kevin

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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien ÉLIE)
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Subject: Re: Timing of inn 2.7?
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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Mon, 7 Jun 2021 13:39 UTC

Hi Kevin,

> I'd like to put the new sqlite overview into service.  Is there any
> timeline for the 2.7 release at this point?

We still have not discussed a timeline for the 2.7 release in the
inn-workers mailing-list. Nonetheless, if you want to put the new
ovsqlite storage method into service, feel free to just install a
CURRENT snapshot from
https://downloads.isc.org/isc/inn/snapshots/

ovsqlite works pretty fine (I run it on my news server without any problem).
The 2.7 release is no more than a CURRENT snapshot labelled 2.7.0.
CURRENT is currently stable and can be used in production. No changes
are scheduled as for ovsqlite code.

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Et rose elle a vécu ce que vivent les roses :
L'espace d'un matin. »
(François de Malherbe)

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Subject: Re: Timing of inn 2.7?
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 by: Bo Lindbergh - Fri, 11 Jun 2021 22:21 UTC

In article <s9j341$2rvp$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
> I'd like to put the new sqlite overview into service.

Ah, egoboo! :-P

/Bo Lindbergh

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Subject: Re: Timing of inn 2.7?
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 22:22:00 -0700
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 by: Kevin Bowling - Sat, 12 Jun 2021 05:22 UTC

On 6/11/21 3:21 PM, Bo Lindbergh wrote:
> In article <s9j341$2rvp$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to put the new sqlite overview into service.
>
> Ah, egoboo! :-P
>
>
> /Bo Lindbergh
>

I've revived the inn-CURRENT port on FreeBSD so it is ready to use :)

https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/news/inn-CURRENT

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From: doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
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Subject: Re: Timing of inn 2.7?
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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 12 Jun 2021 11:43 UTC

In article <sa1g9p$1jum$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>On 6/11/21 3:21 PM, Bo Lindbergh wrote:
>> In article <s9j341$2rvp$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>> I'd like to put the new sqlite overview into service.
>>
>> Ah, egoboo! :-P
>>
>>
>> /Bo Lindbergh
>>
>
>I've revived the inn-CURRENT port on FreeBSD so it is ready to use :)
>

Can you update for daily snapshots?

>https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/news/inn-CURRENT

--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
God did not fall silent; frauds multiplied. -unknown

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Subject: Re: Timing of inn 2.7?
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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 12 Jun 2021 11:46 UTC

In article <sa26ku$inq$55@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>In article <sa1g9p$1jum$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>On 6/11/21 3:21 PM, Bo Lindbergh wrote:
>>> In article <s9j341$2rvp$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>>> I'd like to put the new sqlite overview into service.
>>>
>>> Ah, egoboo! :-P
>>>
>>>
>>> /Bo Lindbergh
>>>
>>
>>I've revived the inn-CURRENT port on FreeBSD so it is ready to use :)
>>
>
>Can you update for daily snapshots?
>
>>https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/news/inn-CURRENT
>

Please use https://archives.eyrie.org/software/inn/snapshots/

are source of daily updates.

Forgot about that.

>
>--
>Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
>Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
>Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
>God did not fall silent; frauds multiplied. -unknown

--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
God did not fall silent; frauds multiplied. -unknown

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Subject: Re: Timing of inn 2.7?
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 by: Kevin Bowling - Mon, 21 Jun 2021 17:05 UTC

On 6/12/21 4:46 AM, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <sa26ku$inq$55@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>> In article <sa1g9p$1jum$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>> On 6/11/21 3:21 PM, Bo Lindbergh wrote:
>>>> In article <s9j341$2rvp$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>>>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>>>> I'd like to put the new sqlite overview into service.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, egoboo! :-P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> /Bo Lindbergh
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've revived the inn-CURRENT port on FreeBSD so it is ready to use :)
>>>
>>
>> Can you update for daily snapshots?
>>
>>> https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/news/inn-CURRENT
>>
>
> Please use https://archives.eyrie.org/software/inn/snapshots/
>
> are source of daily updates.
>
> Forgot about that.
>
>>
>> --
>> Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
>> Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
>> Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
>> God did not fall silent; frauds multiplied. -unknown
>
>

I was asked to rename it to inn-current
https://archives.eyrie.org/software/inn/snapshots/

One outstanding issue seems to be the the snapshots are generated daily.
That seems to cause them to flush quickly and unnecessarily. Will
need Russ or Julien to fix that to only generate them if something changes.

Regards,
Kevin

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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 21 Jun 2021 20:07 UTC

In article <saqgtj$1lio$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>On 6/12/21 4:46 AM, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <sa26ku$inq$55@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> In article <sa1g9p$1jum$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>>> On 6/11/21 3:21 PM, Bo Lindbergh wrote:
>>>>> In article <s9j341$2rvp$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>>>>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I'd like to put the new sqlite overview into service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, egoboo! :-P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> /Bo Lindbergh
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've revived the inn-CURRENT port on FreeBSD so it is ready to use :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can you update for daily snapshots?
>>>
>>>> https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/news/inn-CURRENT
>>>
>>
>> Please use https://archives.eyrie.org/software/inn/snapshots/
>>
>> are source of daily updates.
>>
>> Forgot about that.
>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici
>doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
>>> Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware
>AntiChrist rising!
>>> Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
>>> God did not fall silent; frauds multiplied. -unknown
>>
>>
>
>I was asked to rename it to inn-current
>https://archives.eyrie.org/software/inn/snapshots/
>
>One outstanding issue seems to be the the snapshots are generated daily.
> That seems to cause them to flush quickly and unnecessarily. Will
>need Russ or Julien to fix that to only generate them if something changes.
>

Depends. I just compile daily and check for flaws myself.

>Regards,
>Kevin

--
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 by: Kevin Bowling - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 06:22 UTC

On 6/21/21 1:07 PM, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <saqgtj$1lio$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>> On 6/12/21 4:46 AM, The Doctor wrote:
>>> In article <sa26ku$inq$55@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> In article <sa1g9p$1jum$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>>>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 6/11/21 3:21 PM, Bo Lindbergh wrote:
>>>>>> In article <s9j341$2rvp$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>>>>>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'd like to put the new sqlite overview into service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, egoboo! :-P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Bo Lindbergh
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've revived the inn-CURRENT port on FreeBSD so it is ready to use :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you update for daily snapshots?
>>>>
>>>>> https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/news/inn-CURRENT
>>>>
>>>
>>> Please use https://archives.eyrie.org/software/inn/snapshots/
>>>
>>> are source of daily updates.
>>>
>>> Forgot about that.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici
>> doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
>>>> Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware
>> AntiChrist rising!
>>>> Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
>>>> God did not fall silent; frauds multiplied. -unknown
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I was asked to rename it to inn-current
>> https://archives.eyrie.org/software/inn/snapshots/
>>
>> One outstanding issue seems to be the the snapshots are generated daily.
>> That seems to cause them to flush quickly and unnecessarily. Will
>> need Russ or Julien to fix that to only generate them if something changes.
>>
>
> Depends. I just compile daily and check for flaws myself.

That's some unnecessary compiles, check the commit logs for inn it's not
like Linux or something that changes on a daily basis.

If you are on FreeBSD you only need to recompile when a dep or a commit
to inn-CURRENT itself happens to perform very thorough QA of
inn-CURRENT. poudriere makes it easy to curate your own package set
with all these deps handled in a holistic way, check this article out
https://danschmid.de/en/blog/poudriere-guide

I'd just like the snapshots to be generated if something has changed so
I don't need to bump the port so often (or, if I do, it's because things
are actually changing :)).

>> Regards,
>> Kevin
>
>

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 by: The Doctor - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:37 UTC

In article <sarvjk$2snl$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>On 6/21/21 1:07 PM, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <saqgtj$1lio$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>> On 6/12/21 4:46 AM, The Doctor wrote:
>>>> In article <sa26ku$inq$55@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>>>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>> In article <sa1g9p$1jum$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>>>>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/11/21 3:21 PM, Bo Lindbergh wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
><s9j341$2rvp$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>>>>>>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'd like to put the new sqlite overview into service.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, egoboo! :-P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Bo Lindbergh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've revived the inn-CURRENT port on FreeBSD so it is ready to use :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you update for daily snapshots?
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/news/inn-CURRENT
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please use https://archives.eyrie.org/software/inn/snapshots/
>>>>
>>>> are source of daily updates.
>>>>
>>>> Forgot about that.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici
>>> doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
>>>>> Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware
>>> AntiChrist rising!
>>>>> Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism
>https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
>>>>> God did not fall silent; frauds multiplied. -unknown
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was asked to rename it to inn-current
>>> https://archives.eyrie.org/software/inn/snapshots/
>>>
>>> One outstanding issue seems to be the the snapshots are generated daily.
>>> That seems to cause them to flush quickly and unnecessarily. Will
>>> need Russ or Julien to fix that to only generate them if something changes.
>>>
>>
>> Depends. I just compile daily and check for flaws myself.
>
>That's some unnecessary compiles, check the commit logs for inn it's not
>like Linux or something that changes on a daily basis.
>
>If you are on FreeBSD you only need to recompile when a dep or a commit
>to inn-CURRENT itself happens to perform very thorough QA of
>inn-CURRENT. poudriere makes it easy to curate your own package set
>with all these deps handled in a holistic way, check this article out
>https://danschmid.de/en/blog/poudriere-guide
>

Hopefully there is a starter's section.

>I'd just like the snapshots to be generated if something has changed so
>I don't need to bump the port so often (or, if I do, it's because things
>are actually changing :)).
>

Any diff published about inn?

>>> Regards,
>>> Kevin
>>
>>
>

--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
Changing the dictionary does not move us forward. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com

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 by: Kevin Bowling - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 17:23 UTC

On 6/22/21 6:37 AM, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <sarvjk$2snl$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>> On 6/21/21 1:07 PM, The Doctor wrote:
>>> In article <saqgtj$1lio$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/21 4:46 AM, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>> In article <sa26ku$inq$55@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>>>>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <sa1g9p$1jum$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>>>>>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/11/21 3:21 PM, Bo Lindbergh wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article
>> <s9j341$2rvp$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>>>>>>>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to put the new sqlite overview into service.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, egoboo! :-P
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /Bo Lindbergh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've revived the inn-CURRENT port on FreeBSD so it is ready to use :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you update for daily snapshots?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/news/inn-CURRENT
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please use https://archives.eyrie.org/software/inn/snapshots/
>>>>>
>>>>> are source of daily updates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Forgot about that.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici
>>>> doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
>>>>>> Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware
>>>> AntiChrist rising!
>>>>>> Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism
>> https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
>>>>>> God did not fall silent; frauds multiplied. -unknown
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was asked to rename it to inn-current
>>>> https://archives.eyrie.org/software/inn/snapshots/
>>>>
>>>> One outstanding issue seems to be the the snapshots are generated daily.
>>>> That seems to cause them to flush quickly and unnecessarily. Will
>>>> need Russ or Julien to fix that to only generate them if something changes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Depends. I just compile daily and check for flaws myself.
>>
>> That's some unnecessary compiles, check the commit logs for inn it's not
>> like Linux or something that changes on a daily basis.
>>
>> If you are on FreeBSD you only need to recompile when a dep or a commit
>> to inn-CURRENT itself happens to perform very thorough QA of
>> inn-CURRENT. poudriere makes it easy to curate your own package set
>> with all these deps handled in a holistic way, check this article out
>> https://danschmid.de/en/blog/poudriere-guide
>>
>
> Hopefully there is a starter's section.

Just take it slow, one step at a time. It's easier than it seems.

>> I'd just like the snapshots to be generated if something has changed so
>> I don't need to bump the port so often (or, if I do, it's because things
>> are actually changing :)).
>>
>
> Any diff published about inn?

https://inn.eyrie.org/trac/log/trunk is the log for inn CURRENT branch
(trunk).

>>>> Regards,
>>>> Kevin
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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 by: The Doctor - Tue, 22 Jun 2021 21:37 UTC

In article <sat69k$m9p$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>On 6/22/21 6:37 AM, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <sarvjk$2snl$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>> On 6/21/21 1:07 PM, The Doctor wrote:
>>>> In article <saqgtj$1lio$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>>>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 6/12/21 4:46 AM, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>> In article <sa26ku$inq$55@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>>>>>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
><sa1g9p$1jum$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>>>>>>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/11/21 3:21 PM, Bo Lindbergh wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article
>>> <s9j341$2rvp$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
>>>>>>>>> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to put the new sqlite overview into service.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah, egoboo! :-P
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /Bo Lindbergh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've revived the inn-CURRENT port on FreeBSD so it is ready to use :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you update for daily snapshots?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/news/inn-CURRENT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please use https://archives.eyrie.org/software/inn/snapshots/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> are source of daily updates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forgot about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici
>>>>> doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca
>>>>>>> Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware
>>>>> AntiChrist rising!
>>>>>>> Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism
>>> https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
>>>>>>> God did not fall silent; frauds multiplied. -unknown
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was asked to rename it to inn-current
>>>>> https://archives.eyrie.org/software/inn/snapshots/
>>>>>
>>>>> One outstanding issue seems to be the the snapshots are generated daily.
>>>>> That seems to cause them to flush quickly and unnecessarily. Will
>>>>> need Russ or Julien to fix that to only generate them if something changes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Depends. I just compile daily and check for flaws myself.
>>>
>>> That's some unnecessary compiles, check the commit logs for inn it's not
>>> like Linux or something that changes on a daily basis.
>>>
>>> If you are on FreeBSD you only need to recompile when a dep or a commit
>>> to inn-CURRENT itself happens to perform very thorough QA of
>>> inn-CURRENT. poudriere makes it easy to curate your own package set
>>> with all these deps handled in a holistic way, check this article out
>>> https://danschmid.de/en/blog/poudriere-guide
>>>
>>
>> Hopefully there is a starter's section.
>
>Just take it slow, one step at a time. It's easier than it seems.
>
>>> I'd just like the snapshots to be generated if something has changed so
>>> I don't need to bump the port so often (or, if I do, it's because things
>>> are actually changing :)).
>>>
>>
>> Any diff published about inn?
>
>https://inn.eyrie.org/trac/log/trunk is the log for inn CURRENT branch
>(trunk).
>

So is it doable for FReeBSD ports?

Also some of the porters will have to get use to
deleting old patches from their ports.

What a mess in Chromium.

Libxml2 might be fixable.

Just adding in the freebsd group.

>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Kevin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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 by: Kevin Bowling - Fri, 2 Jul 2021 04:41 UTC

On 6/11/21 3:21 PM, Bo Lindbergh wrote:
> In article <s9j341$2rvp$1@842ffb22-07e1-11e5-a459-00266cf00584.csiph.com>,
> Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to put the new sqlite overview into service.
>
> Ah, egoboo! :-P
>
>
> /Bo Lindbergh
>

Just a followup, it took several days to rebuild the overview DB (I
think some of this is ZFS' "fault", it throws things to a condition
variable (which enters a sleep queue) when data is not immediately
available. makehistory could help that with a bit more file read
parallelism in the future.

It went from about 6GB (ZFS lz4 compression) tradoverview to 17GB with
ZFS compression disabled and application level zlib. nnrpd performance
is great. expireover is still taking ages, but it no longer seems to
eventually block innd so that's a big improvement. I think expireover
is another negative interaction with ZFS.

Based on
https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Performance%20and%20Tuning/Workload%20Tuning.html#sqlite
....

Some sqlite ZFS tuning:
* Set 'recordsize' to '64k'
* Set 'compression' to 'none'

In ovsqlite.conf:
* Set 'compress' to 'true'
* Set 'pagesize' to '65536'

I cranked the transaction time and row limit way up as well as the
cachesize, but the ovsqlite process didn't really seem like a bottleneck
in makehistory since it forks the writes and continues on. I'm just
running with the default small cachesize now (so the ZFS ARC can be the
primary freespace block cache) and it works great.

Regards,
Kevin

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Hi Kevin,

> Just a followup, it took several days to rebuild the overview DB (I
> think some of this is ZFS' "fault", it throws things to a condition
> variable (which enters a sleep queue) when data is not immediately
> available. makehistory could help that with a bit more file read
> parallelism in the future.
>
> It went from about 6GB (ZFS lz4 compression) tradoverview to 17GB with
> ZFS compression disabled and application level zlib.

With ovsqlite+zlib compression, for a 1,12 GB resulting database with
3,278,095 overview records, overview rebuild took 36 mn on my slow Intel
Atom CPU N2800 1.86GHz with 2GB RAM running Debian.

Strange that it took several days for you for a resulting 17 GB
database. Lots of sleeps from ZFS then...

expireover runs in 5:20 mn.

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Un sourire coûte moins cher que l'électricité mais donne autant de
lumière. » (Abbé Pierre)

Re: Timing of inn 2.7?

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 by: Kevin Bowling - Fri, 2 Jul 2021 19:08 UTC

On 7/2/21 12:11 AM, Julien ÉLIE wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
>> Just a followup, it took several days to rebuild the overview DB (I
>> think some of this is ZFS' "fault", it throws things to a condition
>> variable (which enters a sleep queue) when data is not immediately
>> available. makehistory could help that with a bit more file read
>> parallelism in the future.
>>
>> It went from about 6GB (ZFS lz4 compression) tradoverview to 17GB with
>> ZFS compression disabled and application level zlib.
>
> With ovsqlite+zlib compression, for a 1,12 GB resulting database with
> 3,278,095 overview records, overview rebuild took 36 mn on my slow Intel
> Atom CPU N2800 1.86GHz with 2GB RAM running Debian.

Thanks for the numbers, it's definitely intriguing enough I will go
looking into why ZFS struggles with this workload, it might be a regression.

sqlite> select count(*) from artinfo;
52397838

> Strange that it took several days for you for a resulting 17 GB
> database.  Lots of sleeps from ZFS then...
>
> expireover runs in 5:20 mn.
>
To learn from your experience, are you running your server on flash?
This is on a hybrid array of two mirrored HDD pairs with a SLOG (flash
fsync fastpath) and L2ARC (flash read cache). The disks never get
saturated but it still takes 10ms or whatever to grab a block that isn't
in cache, and ZFS causes the process to sleep during that grab (so
getting CPU time from the scheduler can add another millisecond or more
delay). I did this because flash was expensive and fragile back when I
assembled this version of my news server but I could probably move the
entire spool to flash now.

Regards,
Kevin

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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:40 UTC

Hi Kevin,

>> With ovsqlite+zlib compression, for a 1,12 GB resulting database with
>> 3,278,095 overview records, overview rebuild took 36 mn on my slow
>> Intel Atom CPU N2800 1.86GHz with 2GB RAM running Debian.
>
> Thanks for the numbers, it's definitely intriguing enough I will go
> looking into why ZFS struggles with this workload, it might be a
> regression.
>
> sqlite> select count(*) from artinfo;
> 52397838

sqlite> select count(*) from artinfo;
3426154

>> Strange that it took several days for you for a resulting 17 GB
>> database.  Lots of sleeps from ZFS then...
>>
>> expireover runs in 5:20 mn.
>>
> To learn from your experience, are you running your server on flash?
> This is on a hybrid array of two mirrored HDD pairs with a SLOG (flash
> fsync fastpath) and L2ARC (flash read cache).

I only have 1 hard drive (/dev/sda) on a dedicated server. A legacy
rotating disk :-) not on flash.
(I'm planning to migrate to a VPS during this summer.)

Model Family: Hitachi/HGST Travelstar Z7K500
Device Model: HGST HTE725050A7E630
Serial Number: TV650BXFG0ZG6R
User Capacity: 500,107,862,016 bytes [500 GB]
Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate: 7200 rpm
Form Factor: 2.5 inches

--
Julien ÉLIE

« The most effective way to remember your wife's birthday is to forget
it once… » (Nash)

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