As previously mentioned, date formats in Ventura and Sonoma have become
less flexible.
Some asshole at Apple decided to straightjacket people into regional
"settings" and stuck with that.

The panel in settings to customize dates is gone
eg: from Mojave:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/77wsfpibpop83ulewcbri/MojDates.png?rlkey=82cn1invx6awk8iiglz5kj4zw

Digging around, I've found
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254773234

So the terminal commands:

alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "1" "y-MM-dd"
alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "3" "y-MM-dd"
alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "2" "y-MM-dd"
alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "4" "y-MM-dd"
alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "5" "y-MM-dd"

The above is over-kill, and I'll refine it over time - I think only
option 5 is needed.

Sort of fixes the problem - Finder, as long as the date field(s) are
narrow enough (but not too narrow), now display date-time as I want it.

Now to see how apps behave as other reports about Excel treatment of
date/time on Ventura+ have issues. I haven't installed Office yet on
the M3 iMac.

On 11.11.23 13:45, Alan Browne- wrote:
> As previously mentioned, date formats in Ventura and Sonoma have become
> less flexible.
> Some asshole at Apple decided to straightjacket people into regional
> "settings" and stuck with that.

I see only one asshole in this group: *YOU*

Stop your nymshifting:

Alan Browne
bitbucket@blackhole.com

Nobody wants to talk to you anymore besides Wally alias Arlen?

*LOL*

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On 2023-11-11, Alan Browne- <oneway@down.net> wrote:
> As previously mentioned, date formats in Ventura and Sonoma have become
> less flexible.
> Some asshole at Apple decided to straightjacket people into regional
> "settings" and stuck with that.
>
> The panel in settings to customize dates is gone
> eg: from Mojave:
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/77wsfpibpop83ulewcbri/MojDates.png?rlkey=82cn1invx6awk8iiglz5kj4zw
>
> Digging around, I've found
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254773234
>
> So the terminal commands:
>
> alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
> AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "1" "y-MM-dd"
> alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
> AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "3" "y-MM-dd"
> alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
> AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "2" "y-MM-dd"
> alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
> AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "4" "y-MM-dd"
> alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
> AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "5" "y-MM-dd"
>
> The above is over-kill, and I'll refine it over time - I think only
> option 5 is needed.
>
> Sort of fixes the problem - Finder, as long as the date field(s) are
> narrow enough (but not too narrow), now display date-time as I want it.

Not really a fix then.

> Now to see how apps behave as other reports about Excel treatment of
> date/time on Ventura+ have issues. I haven't installed Office yet on
> the M3 iMac.

That's what I'm wondering: how it will effect other apps.

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On 2023-11-11 09:29, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 11.11.23 13:45, Alan Browne- wrote:
>> As previously mentioned, date formats in Ventura and Sonoma have become
>> less flexible.
>> Some asshole at Apple decided to straightjacket people into regional
>> "settings" and stuck with that.
>
> I see only one asshole in this group: *YOU*

Wow - you are a touchy little twerp. So you approve of Apple removing
setting options that are useful to people?

> Stop your nymshifting:

Jumping to conclusions. On one Mac I use one ID, on the other a
different ID. Sue me!

On 2023-11-11 11:32, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-11-11, Alan Browne- <oneway@down.net> wrote:
>> As previously mentioned, date formats in Ventura and Sonoma have become
>> less flexible.
>> Some asshole at Apple decided to straightjacket people into regional
>> "settings" and stuck with that.
>>
>> The panel in settings to customize dates is gone
>> eg: from Mojave:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/77wsfpibpop83ulewcbri/MojDates.png?rlkey=82cn1invx6awk8iiglz5kj4zw
>>
>> Digging around, I've found
>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254773234
>>
>> So the terminal commands:
>>
>> alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
>> AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "1" "y-MM-dd"
>> alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
>> AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "3" "y-MM-dd"
>> alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
>> AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "2" "y-MM-dd"
>> alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
>> AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "4" "y-MM-dd"
>> alanbrowne@Alans-iMac ~ % defaults write NSGlobalDomain
>> AppleICUDateFormatStrings -dict-add "5" "y-MM-dd"
>>
>> The above is over-kill, and I'll refine it over time - I think only
>> option 5 is needed.
>>
>> Sort of fixes the problem - Finder, as long as the date field(s) are
>> narrow enough (but not too narrow), now display date-time as I want it.
>
> Not really a fix then.

One must fulfill the rituals as stipulated in the Great Tome of Software
Evolution:
"Thou Shalt Not Implement A Solution Without
First Implementing a Workaround, lest ye 401k Suffer!"

>> Now to see how apps behave as other reports about Excel treatment of
>> date/time on Ventura+ have issues. I haven't installed Office yet on
>> the M3 iMac.
>
> That's what I'm wondering: how it will effect other apps.

Well, Ventura's been out for over a year and I haven't heard of anything
other than what I saw somewhere about Excel. I have uncountable
spreadsheets and use date and time extensively for all sorts of reasons.

Still looking for a deal on standalone Office for Apple Si. Can usually
find a license in the $40 - $50 range.

Am 11.11.23 um 17:36 schrieb Alan Browne-:
> On 2023-11-11 09:29, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 11.11.23 13:45, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>> As previously mentioned, date formats in Ventura and Sonoma have become
>>> less flexible.
>>> Some asshole at Apple decided to straightjacket people into regional
>>> "settings" and stuck with that.
>>
>> I see only one asshole in this group: *YOU*
>
> Wow - you are a touchy little twerp. So you approve of Apple removing
> setting options that are useful to people?
>
>> Stop your nymshifting:
>
> Jumping to conclusions. On one Mac I use one ID, on the other a
> different ID. Sue me!

Killfile you is more effective.

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On 2023-11-11 14:15, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 11.11.23 um 17:36 schrieb Alan Browne-:
>> On 2023-11-11 09:29, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 11.11.23 13:45, Alan Browne- wrote:
>>>> As previously mentioned, date formats in Ventura and Sonoma have become
>>>> less flexible.
>>>> Some asshole at Apple decided to straightjacket people into regional
>>>> "settings" and stuck with that.
>>>
>>> I see only one asshole in this group: *YOU*
>>
>> Wow - you are a touchy little twerp.  So you approve of Apple removing
>> setting options that are useful to people?
>>
>>> Stop your nymshifting:
>>
>> Jumping to conclusions.  On one Mac I use one ID, on the other a
>> different ID.  Sue me!
>
> Killfile you is more effective.

Imagine my dismay...

On 2023-11-11, Alan Browne- <oneway@down.net> wrote:
>
> Still looking for a deal on standalone Office for Apple Si. Can usually
> find a license in the $40 - $50 range.

Last time I purchased it, it was $49.99 for Home & Business 2021 through
AppleInsider:

<https://shop.appleinsider.com/>

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On 2023-11-11 18:06, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-11-11, Alan Browne- <oneway@down.net> wrote:
>>
>> Still looking for a deal on standalone Office for Apple Si. Can usually
>> find a license in the $40 - $50 range.
>
> Last time I purchased it, it was $49.99 for Home & Business 2021 through
> AppleInsider:
>
> <https://shop.appleinsider.com/>

Indeed - there's always one out there - just need to get around to it
and to be sure it will run on AppSi first. I tried copying my installed
intel v. over and MS cleverly anticipated that and directed me to Office
365!

The fiends!

I'll locate the installer and try that - never know - might work well
under Rosetta.

Just finished porting some s/w from old mac to new mac - looks like I
hard coded (bad boy!) some file references - took a while to hunt them
down in the code. All good now but still need to test all the
functions. At least one function warned me that exiftool was not
installed - so at least I anticipated that some time in the past.

On 2023-11-12 10:37, Alan Browne- wrote:

> Just finished porting some s/w from old mac to new mac - looks like I
> hard coded (bad boy!) some file references - took a while to hunt them
> down in the code.  All good now but still need to test all the
> functions.  At least one function warned me that exiftool was not
> installed - so at least I anticipated that some time in the past.

Just noticed a cool thing ... my app sometimes verifies files by
issuing a system command to do a SHASUM and compare against a registry
(or add to the registry). This is done in a background thread and is a
very low priority. The cmd is:

Cmd := 'taskpolicy -d THROTTLE SHASUM -a 256 "/Volumes/' + vname +
'/' + fname + '"';
if runcommand('/bin/sh',['-c',Cmd],Out^) then Sta^ := 3 else
Sta^:= -1;

SHASUM ends up on the efficiency cores (as reported by iStat).