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Hello...

More philosophy about human consciousness and self_awareness..

I am a white arab and i think i am smart since i have also invented many scalable algorithms and algorithms..

I think that human consciousness and self_awareness comes from
the way life has evolved, since i say that the low level layers
of the physical world that are not biological are not able to
feel with human senses like is doing it humans, so they are not able to give the necessary "meaning" that guides smartness, so i think that the layer of the "biological" is able to do that, since i think that the human senses that gives those feelings that give the meaning is "inherent" to the biological and it is what gives "emergence" to consciousness and self-awareness.

More philosophy about the reification and human consciousness..

So i can ask a philosophical question of:

What is consciousness ?

I will give you a smart example so that you understand:

So when you feel with your hands and brain that a table is "solid",
so this feeling gives a "meaning" that guides our thinking,
so our human senses are doing the same, they are feeling what's
a moving object and feeling what's speed and feeling what's a fast speed or not fast speed and feeling what's an object that is before or after another object etc. and i say that those feelings with our senses give the meanings and it gives consciousness of time and space and matter, so our feelings of our human senses give life or human awareness or human consciousness that guides smartness, and notice that i am saying that an idea is both smartness and meaning , and notice that in mathematics
we can have the following formula of a derivative:

Derivative_of(2*x) = 2

So this formula is a smartness, but the formula has also a "meaning"
given by our human senses , and i also define the self-awareness like a human sense that feels the oneself, so now you are understanding that an algorithm or running algorithm is like a formula that has not the meaning that is understood by a human, so artificial intelligence has a disadvantage since it is not guided by this meaning that plays the role of an objective function that permits to optimize correctly.

More precision about more philosophy about the essence of human smartness..

I think i have to be more precise, so i will say that the process that gives the meaning with the human senses is like reification, since we say that reification is when you think of or treat something abstract as a physical thing. Reification is a complex idea for when you treat something immaterial — like happiness, fear, or evil — as a material thing. So the human process in the brain that gives meaning with human senses is by analogy like a the process of reification, since human senses gives life or meaning to ideas, those human senses give consciousness of the system composed of time and space and matter and the human brain "compose" meanings with this consciousness, this is why we are feeling life as we are feeling it..

I think i am a really smart philosopher, and i think i look like the great philosophers like Aristotle and such, since i am thinking
rapidly and inventing ideas and discovering patterns etc. so i think
that my brain is special, so here is what i have just discovered:

I think that artificial intelligence is not understanding correctly
what is human smartness, since i say that an "idea" is both a smartness
and a "meaning" that "guides" smartness, it is like the objective function of the dynamic system that is human smartness that guides and makes us know how to optimize, since i say that humans are "feeling" the
"ideas" with there human senses that comes also from the brain, and this feeling of the ideas is also what gives the ideas a meaning that guides,
and i also define the self-awareness like a human sense that feels
the oneself, so you are understanding now one of the basis
of my philosophy, since without those human senses, the algorithms
in a computer can not give a meaning that guides smartness, so i think it is the disadvantage of artificial intelligence. So here is how i think we have to do it with the algorithms:

I think i am smart, and i have just explained below that the divide and conquer algorithms are a particular case or special case of Swarm intelligence of PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization), and i will explain
it more in my next posts, now notice with me that Swarm intelligence uses localized optimization with exploitation as heuristics like Greedy algorithms so that to enhance much more the artificial intelligence algorithm, but notice with me that general artificial intelligence can use Swarm intelligence like PSO at a lower level layer, and at a higher level layer it can use the divide and conquer algorithms, i mean that the unknown meaning can be divided and conquered by measuring it with previous meanings from the data using artifical intelligence of for example PathNET so that to find the unknown meaning, and i define the meaning in artificial intelligence as as the higher concept that is recognized with deep learning, and this way we can construct much more rapidly more and more meanings and incorporate them in PathNET so that to converge more and more to much more generalized artificial intelligence that will rapidly approximate general artificial intelligence.

More precision about more philosophy about human smartness and about artificial intelligence..

I have to be more precision, so here is the definition in the dictionary of "pattern" that i am using in my thoughts of my philosophy below:

Pattern is a particular way in which something is done, is organized, or happens.

Read here in the dictionary to notice it:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pattern

I think i am a philosopher that is smart, so i will ask the following
philosophical question:

What is human smartness or intelligence ?

I will answer it by saying the following:

I think we call it human smartness because it discovers "useful" patterns in the reality, so reality can contain static systems or dynamic systems that contain smartness in form of useful patterns etc., so human smartness uses its smartness to "discover" those useful patterns so that to become more and more smart, and by discovering the useful patterns i also means knowing about there meanings of those useful patterns so that to understand them, it is by logical analogy like discovering the rules so that to become smart, so for example when we are doing mathematics we can discover the useful rules or useful patterns like the theorems in mathematics by using deductive logic and inductive logic, so i can go further and say that Swarm intelligence like PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization) is a self-organization, and Self-organization, also called (in the social sciences) spontaneous order, is a process where some form of overall order arises from local interactions between parts of an initially disordered system. The process can be spontaneous when sufficient energy is available, not needing control by any external agent, so then Swarm intelligence like PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization) is self-organization since notice that the exploration mechanism of PSO that is the global optimization is "collaborating" with the exploitation mechanism of PSO that is the local optimization so that to self-organize by finding the global optimum
, so then we can call Swarm intelligence like PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization) a form of intelligence, this is why we call
it artificial intelligence.

Also you can read more about my thoughts of my philosophy about human smartness in the following web link:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.culture.morocco/c/Wzf6AOl41xs

More philosophy about what is artificial intelligence or general artificial intelligence..

I think i am smart, and i have just explained below that the divide and conquer algorithms are a particular case or special case of Swarm intelligence of PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization), and i will explain
it more in my next posts, now notice with me that Swarm intelligence uses localized optimization with exploitation as heuristics like Greedy algorithms so that to enhance much more the artificial intelligence algorithm, but notice with me that general artificial intelligence can use Swarm intelligence like PSO at a lower level layer, and at a higher level layer it can use the divide and conquer algorithms, i mean that the unknown meaning can be divided and conquered by measuring it with previous meanings from the data using artifical intelligence of for example PathNET so that to find the unknown meaning, and i define the meaning in artificial intelligence as as the higher concept that is recognized with deep learning, and this way we can construct much more rapidly more and more meanings and incorporate them in PathNET so that to converge more and more to much more generalized artificial intelligence that will rapidly approximate general artificial intelligence.

More philosophy about Swarm intelligence and PSO and artificial intelligence..

Can we ask a philosophical question:

Is Swarm intelligence like PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization) a brute-force general problem-solving technique and what is it ?

So i invite you first to read the following interesting article about
artificial intelligence of PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization):

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/archive/msdn-magazine/2011/august/artificial-intelligence-particle-swarm-optimization

And read my following thoughts about artificial intelligence:


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Amine Moulay Ramdane <aminer68@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello...
>
>
> More philosophy about human consciousness and self_awareness..
>
> I am a white arab and i think i am smart since i have also invented many
> scalable algorithms and algorithms..
>
> I think that human consciousness and self_awareness comes from
> the way life has evolved, since i say that the low level layers
> of the physical world that are not biological are not able to
> feel with human senses like is doing it humans, so they are not able to
> give the necessary "meaning" that guides smartness, so i think that the
> layer of the "biological" is able to do that, since i think that the
> human senses that gives those feelings that give the meaning is
> "inherent" to the biological and it is what gives "emergence" to
> consciousness and self-awareness.
>
> More philosophy about the reification and human consciousness..
>
> So i can ask a philosophical question of:
>
> What is consciousness ?
>
> I will give you a smart example so that you understand:
>
> So when you feel with your hands and brain that a table is "solid",
> so this feeling gives a "meaning" that guides our thinking,
> so our human senses are doing the same, they are feeling what's
> a moving object and feeling what's speed and feeling what's a fast speed
> or not fast speed and feeling what's an object that is before or after
> another object etc. and i say that those feelings with our senses give
> the meanings and it gives consciousness of time and space and matter, so
> our feelings of our human senses give life or human awareness or human
> consciousness that guides smartness, and notice that i am saying that an
> idea is both smartness and meaning , and notice that in mathematics
> we can have the following formula of a derivative:
>
> Derivative_of(2*x) = 2
>
> So this formula is a smartness, but the formula has also a "meaning"
> given by our human senses , and i also define the self-awareness like a
> human sense that feels the oneself, so now you are understanding that an
> algorithm or running algorithm is like a formula that has not the meaning
> that is understood by a human, so artificial intelligence has a
> disadvantage since it is not guided by this meaning that plays the role
> of an objective function that permits to optimize correctly.
>
> More precision about more philosophy about the essence of human smartness..
>
> I think i have to be more precise, so i will say that the process that
> gives the meaning with the human senses is like reification, since we say
> that reification is when you think of or treat something abstract as a
> physical thing. Reification is a complex idea for when you treat
> something immaterial  like happiness, fear, or evil  as a material
> thing. So the human process in the brain that gives meaning with human
> senses is by analogy like a the process of reification, since human
> senses gives life or meaning to ideas, those human senses give
> consciousness of the system composed of time and space and matter and the
> human brain "compose" meanings with this consciousness, this is why we
> are feeling life as we are feeling it.
>
> I think i am a really smart philosopher, and i think i look like the
> great philosophers like Aristotle and such, since i am thinking
> rapidly and inventing ideas and discovering patterns etc. so i think
> that my brain is special, so here is what i have just discovered:
>
> I think that artificial intelligence is not understanding correctly
> what is human smartness, since i say that an "idea" is both a smartness
> and a "meaning" that "guides" smartness, it is like the objective
> function of the dynamic system that is human smartness that guides and
> makes us know how to optimize, since i say that humans are "feeling" the
> "ideas" with there human senses that comes also from the brain, and this
> feeling of the ideas is also what gives the ideas a meaning that guides,
> and i also define the self-awareness like a human sense that feels
> the oneself, so you are understanding now one of the basis
> of my philosophy, since without those human senses, the algorithms
> in a computer can not give a meaning that guides smartness, so i think it
> is the disadvantage of artificial intelligence. So here is how i think we
> have to do it with the algorithms:
>
> I think i am smart, and i have just explained below that the divide and
> conquer algorithms are a particular case or special case of Swarm
> intelligence of PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization), and i will explain
> it more in my next posts, now notice with me that Swarm intelligence uses
> localized optimization with exploitation as heuristics like Greedy
> algorithms so that to enhance much more the artificial intelligence
> algorithm, but notice with me that general artificial intelligence can
> use Swarm intelligence like PSO at a lower level layer, and at a higher
> level layer it can use the divide and conquer algorithms, i mean that the
> unknown meaning can be divided and conquered by measuring it with
> previous meanings from the data using artifical intelligence of for
> example PathNET so that to find the unknown meaning, and i define the
> meaning in artificial intelligence as as the higher concept that is
> recognized with deep learning, and this way we can construct much more
> rapidly more and more meanings and incorporate them in PathNET so that
> to converge more and more to much more generalized artificial
> intelligence that will rapidly approximate general artificial intelligence.
>
> More precision about more philosophy about human smartness and about
> artificial intelligence..
>
> I have to be more precision, so here is the definition in the dictionary
> of "pattern" that i am using in my thoughts of my philosophy below:
>
> Pattern is a particular way in which something is done, is organized, or happens.
>
> Read here in the dictionary to notice it:
>
> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pattern
>
> I think i am a philosopher that is smart, so i will ask the following
> philosophical question:
>
> What is human smartness or intelligence ?
>
> I will answer it by saying the following:
>
> I think we call it human smartness because it discovers "useful" patterns
> in the reality, so reality can contain static systems or dynamic systems
> that contain smartness in form of useful patterns etc., so human
> smartness uses its smartness to "discover" those useful patterns so that
> to become more and more smart, and by discovering the useful patterns i
> also means knowing about there meanings of those useful patterns so that
> to understand them, it is by logical analogy like discovering the rules
> so that to become smart, so for example when we are doing mathematics we
> can discover the useful rules or useful patterns like the theorems in
> mathematics by using deductive logic and inductive logic, so i can go
> further and say that Swarm intelligence like PSO(Particle Swarm
> Optimization) is a self-organization, and Self-organization, also called
> (in the social sciences) spontaneous order, is a process where some form
> of overall order arises from local interactions between parts of an
> initially disordered system. The process can be spontaneous when
> sufficient energy is available, not needing control by any external
> agent, so then Swarm intelligence like PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization) is
> self-organization since notice that the exploration mechanism of PSO that
> is the global optimization is "collaborating" with the exploitation
> mechanism of PSO that is the local optimization so that to self-organize
> by finding the global optimum
> , so then we can call Swarm intelligence like PSO(Particle Swarm
> Optimization) a form of intelligence, this is why we call
> it artificial intelligence.
>
> Also you can read more about my thoughts of my philosophy about human
> smartness in the following web link:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.culture.morocco/c/Wzf6AOl41xs
>
> More philosophy about what is artificial intelligence or general artificial intelligence..
>
> I think i am smart, and i have just explained below that the divide and
> conquer algorithms are a particular case or special case of Swarm
> intelligence of PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization), and i will explain
> it more in my next posts, now notice with me that Swarm intelligence uses
> localized optimization with exploitation as heuristics like Greedy
> algorithms so that to enhance much more the artificial intelligence
> algorithm, but notice with me that general artificial intelligence can
> use Swarm intelligence like PSO at a lower level layer, and at a higher
> level layer it can use the divide and conquer algorithms, i mean that the
> unknown meaning can be divided and conquered by measuring it with
> previous meanings from the data using artifical intelligence of for
> example PathNET so that to find the unknown meaning, and i define the
> meaning in artificial intelligence as as the higher concept that is
> recognized with deep learning, and this way we can construct much more
> rapidly more and more meanings and incorporate them in PathNET so that
> to converge more and more to much more generalized artificial
> intelligence that will rapidly approximate general artificial intelligence.
>
> More philosophy about Swarm intelligence and PSO and artificial intelligence..
>
> Can we ask a philosophical question:
>
> Is Swarm intelligence like PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization) a brute-force
> general problem-solving technique and what is it ?
>
> So i invite you first to read the following interesting article about
> artificial intelligence of PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization):
>
> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/archive/msdn-magazine/2011/august/artificial-intelligence-particle-swarm-optimization
>
> And read my following thoughts about artificial intelligence:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.culture.morocco/c/BKGvkTI5FY4
>
> So I think i am smart and i will say that since artificial intelligence
> of PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization) is guided by not only exploration but
> by the mechanism of exploitation, so this shows that this mechanism of
> exploitation guides the problem-solving technique, so we can
> not say that Swarm intelligence of PSO is a brute-force general
> problem-solving technique, since brute-force general problem-solving
> technique and algorithmic paradigm consists of systematically enumerating
> all possible candidates for the solution and checking whether each
> candidate satisfies the problem's statement, but notice that brute-force
> general problem-solving technique is not guided by the quality of
> exploitation of artificial intelligence of PSO(Particle Swarm
> Optimization), and i can say that the artificial intelligence of
> PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization) is Swarm intelligence that is more general than the
> particular case of the divide and conquer algorithms, since in the
> divide and conquer algorithms we are guided by the divide mechanism that
> is the "exploration" that finds a solution and after that there is an
> exploitation of this solution of this quality that is the already sorted
> small arrays in the case of mergesort that will permit the recursive
> merge algorithm to reduce the time complexity to n*log(n), so i think it
> is the same for PathNet in artificial intelligence that i also think uses
> a kind of divide and conquer algorithm.
>
> Here is PathNet in artificial intelligence, read carefully about it here:
>
> https://medium.com/@thoszymkowiak/deepmind-just-published-a-mind-blowing-paper-pathnet-f72b1ed38d46
>
> More philosophy about declarative programming and imperative programming
> and object oriented programming..
>
> I invite you to read the following interesting webpage from wikipedia
> about declarative programming:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declarative_programming
>
> I think that declarative programming is too much abstraction
> since Functional programming is declarative programming that attempts to
> minimize or eliminate side effects by describing what the program must
> accomplish in terms of the problem domain, rather than describe how to
> accomplish it as a sequence of the programming language primitives (the
> how being left up to the language's implementation). This is in contrast
> with imperative programming, which implements algorithms in explicit
> steps. So declarative programming like functional programming generally
> uses higher levels of abstractions than imperative programs or OOP. That
> is, theyre further away from describing whats actually happening in the
> computer or lower level layers of programming, so i think that
> declarative programming like functional programming is too much
> abstraction that lacks understanding of the lower level layers of
> programming that is also very important to know so that to become
> efficient, so i think that this way of too much abstraction or/and too
> much centralization of cloud computing like of Amazon or functional
> programming and such look like the old way of too much centralization and
> too much abstraction of the mainframe computer that was lacking on
> efficiency, so then we have to know how to "balance" so that to be efficient.
>
> More philosophy about functional programming and more..
>
> I think that the Delphi List Monad and the Delphi Maybe Monad that i am
> giving below are not slower and they are working correctly.
>
> I think i am smart and i understand the objections of neo-Nazism and
> white supremacism, but i think that neo-nazis and white supremacists are
> not thinking correctly, because there way of thinking there racial
> superiority is not the correct way simply because they are not taking
> correctly into account the exponential progress of our humanity,
> since i am convinced that with this exponential progress of our humanity
> we will soon (in about 20 years or 30 years from now) be able to enhance
> much more our genetics and become much more smart
> or much more beautiful and we will soon be able to do much more
> than that because we will soon become so powerful because of this
> exponential progress of our humanity, so this is why i am not in
> accordance with white supremacism and neo-nazism since they have to adapt
> to this exponential progress of our humanity.
>
> More philosophy about the exponential progress and about artificial intelligence..
>
> I think i am smart and i think that we are going to become so powerful
> soon, i mean that this exponential progress of our humanity is an amazing
> thing, and i think that with this exponential progress, artificial
> intelligence too will soon become so powerful soon, so i think that the
> most important thing now is not to ask if we are going to become so
> powerful soon, but the most important thing it is that we have to ensure
> high "safety" or high "reliability" of this process of becoming so
> powerful by for example being a sophisticated philosophy. And i invite
> you to look at the following video so that to understand this exponential
> progress of our humanity:
>
> Exponential Progress: Can We Expect Mind-Blowing Changes In The Near Future
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfM5HXpfnJQ&t4s
>
> More philosophy about artificial intelligence and about the objective
> function that guides..
>
> I think i am smart, and i have quickly thought about the objective
> function of artificial intelligence that guides, so the important
> philosophical question in artificial intelligence is:
>
> Is general artificial intelligence possible and what is the the objective
> function that guides general artificial intelligence ?
>
> I think that the objective function of general artificial intelligence
> is not the same as a gradient descent with wich we optimize, since i
> think that the objective function in artificial intelligence is
> that we have to build like a model that approximate the result
> of the reality, i mean that the objective function of general artificial
> intelligence has to be that we measure the meaning with the previous
> meanings from the data, and this way we approximate the meaning, so we
> have to build much more meanings and meaning from the data and we have to
> measure the unknown meaning with the previous meanings and if it doesn't
> approximate well, so it is like a baby that doesn't know about the
> meaning and it can become a dangerous environment for the baby like for
> general artificial intelligence, and my way is also valid in a
> distributed environment with many artificial intelligence robots, so i
> think that the more localized artificial intelligence will become
> incrementally and rapidly a more and more generalized artificial
> intelligence that can approximate a general artificial intelligence, so i
> think that general artificial intelligence is possible.
>
> More philosophy about Swarm intelligence and about the too much abstraction and more..
>
> I invite you to read about Swarm intelligence here:
>
> How Swarm Intelligence Is Making Simple Tech Much Smarter
>
> https://singularityhub.com/2018/02/08/how-swarm-intelligence-is-making-simple-tech-much-smarter/
>
> I think that humanity is using "specialization" and the "division" of
> labour that reduces complexity so that to be efficient, so our evolution
> looks like Swarm intelligence algorithms, since Swarm intelligence
> algorithms also have to both explore with a bigger size of the
> population of the Swarm intelligence algorithms and have to do
> exploitation so that to reduce complexity and be efficient, and this
> bigger size of of the population in Swarm intelligence algorithms that
> explore is the division of labour that we use and it is also a
> specialization and it looks like a divide and conquer algorithms, since
> notice in the mergesort algorithm that we are reducing the time
> complexity from for example a time complexity of an n^2 sorting algorithm
> to n*log(n), and you are noticing it clearly since the mergesort
> algorithm reduces much more the time complexity by recursively "dividing"
> the array of elements so that to obtain a small arrays that are already
> sorted(or we can sort the small arrays of 10 elements by using an
> algorithm of sorting of n^2 and it will be more efficient), and notice
> that when we obtain those small arrays that are already sorted, it is
> what reduces the complexity and brings much more efficiency, since we are
> recursively using the merge algorithm after that, and notice that the
> mergesort is also like Swarm intelligence since when we recursively
> divide and obtain the already sorted arrays, notice that this recursively
> dividing leads to many already sorted arrays, and it is like the bigger
> size of the population in Swarm intelligence that explore and that leads
> to high efficiency, so i think that artificial
> intelligence must be like a divide and conquer algorithm, so you divide
> like in a Divide and conquer algorithm so that to obtain a high quality
> or high efficiency since you reduce complexity, so it looks
> like PathNet in artificial intelligence, read my following thoughts about it:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.culture.morocco/c/BKGvkTI5FY4
>
> More philosophy about black box models and too much abstraction..
>
> I think that black box models in AI in deep learning etc. are also too
> much abstraction, and speaking about the too much abstraction, i invite
> you to read my following thoughts of my philosophy about Liberalism of
> the philosopher and economist Adam Smith:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.programming.threads/c/-UEOsak12mM
>
> So as you are noticing from my thoughts in the above web link that the
> economic Liberalism of Adam Smith is a too reductionist system that is
> too much abstraction that doesn't work correctly and i am explaining it
> in my thoughts above of my philosophy, other than that notice that
> economic Liberalism of Adam Smith is not even taking into account an
> important factor that i am speaking about in my below thoughts and it is
> the too much abstraction that can happen in economy and that can lead to
> inefficiency, so as you are noticing that this too much abstraction can
> not be based on monopolistic practices, but it can lead to inefficiency,
> i mean for example when you abstract too much, the others can not be able
> of understanding sufficiently and correctly the inside or the behind of
> your abstraction, so they can "lack" understanding and be inefficient, so
> we have to be careful about cloud computing of Amazon and such that can
> become a too much abstraction that leads to this kind of inefficiency, so
> i think it is too much abstraction if you program the software in a too
> high level way lacking programming and understanding of the lower level
> ways of programming.
>
> More philosophy about abstraction and the Divide and Conquer methodology..
>
> I think that humanity is abstracting much more with cloud computing and
> with functional programming and such, but since i think i am a
> philosopher, there is a question in philosophy and it is the following:
>
> Is abstraction always good ?
>
> I think that abstraction comes with disadvantages and advantages,
> so the best way is to know how to balance, it is like balancing between
> Evolutionary design with an agile discipline and Planned design since
> they both come with disadvantages and advantages, abstraction comes with
> an important disadvantage , and it is that it can become a monopolistic
> practice, i mean that when you abstract, the others can become too
> dependent on your abstraction and they can not understand the inside of
> the abstraction, so they can become inefficient, so we have to be careful
> about abstraction since too much abstraction is not good, so i think that
> functional programming is too much abstraction and i think Chapel is too
> much abstraction, read here more about Chapel:
>
> WILL CHAPEL MARK NEXT GREAT AWAKENING FOR PARALLEL PROGRAMMERS?
>
> https://www.nextplatform.com/2018/04/10/will-chapel-mark-next-great-awakening-for-parallel-programmers/
>
> I have just posted previously my thoughts about continuationpassing
> style (CPS) and Monads, here they are:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.lang.borland-delphi/c/kdP6YSTcjj4
>
>
> And here is the List Monad in Delphi that works correctly:
>
>
> program List_monad;
>
> {$APPTYPE CONSOLE}
>
> uses
> System.SysUtils;
>
> type
> TmList = record
> Value: TArray<Integer>;
> function ToString: string;
> function Bind(f: TFunc<TArray<Integer>, TmList>): TmList;
> end;
>
> function Create(aValue: TArray<Integer>): TmList;
> begin
> Result.Value := copy(aValue, 0, length(aValue));
> end;
>
> { TmList }
>
> function TmList.Bind(f: TFunc<TArray<Integer>, TmList>): TmList;
> begin
> Result := f(self.Value);
> end;
>
> function TmList.ToString: string;
> var
> i: Integer;
> begin
> Result := '[ ';
> for i := 0 to length(value) - 1 do
> begin
> if i > 0 then
> Result := Result + ', ';
> Result := Result + value[i].toString;
> end;
> Result := Result + ']';
> end;
>
> function Increment(aValue: TArray<Integer>): TmList;
> var
> i: integer;
> begin
> SetLength(Result.Value, length(aValue));
> for i := 0 to High(aValue) do
> Result.Value[i] := aValue[i] + 1;
> end;
>
> function Double(aValue: TArray<Integer>): TmList;
> var
> i: integer;
> begin
> SetLength(Result.Value, length(aValue));
> for i := 0 to High(aValue) do
> Result.Value[i] := aValue[i] * 2;
> end;
>
> var
> ml1, ml2: TmList;
>
> begin
> ml1 := Create([3, 4, 5]);
> ml2 := ml1.Bind(Increment).Bind(double);
> Writeln(ml1.ToString, ' -> ', ml2.ToString);
> readln;
> end.
>
>
> Output:
> [ 3, 4, 5] -> [ 8, 10, 12]
>
>
> Thank you,
> Amine Moulay Ramdane.
>


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On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 1:39:08 AM UTC-4, gg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Amine Moulay Ramdane <amin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello...
> >
> >
> > More philosophy about human consciousness and self_awareness..
> >
> > I am a white arab and i think i am smart since i have also invented many
> > scalable algorithms and algorithms..
> >
> > I think that human consciousness and self_awareness comes from
> > the way life has evolved, since i say that the low level layers
> > of the physical world that are not biological are not able to
> > feel with human senses like is doing it humans, so they are not able to
> > give the necessary "meaning" that guides smartness, so i think that the
> > layer of the "biological" is able to do that, since i think that the
> > human senses that gives those feelings that give the meaning is
> > "inherent" to the biological and it is what gives "emergence" to
> > consciousness and self-awareness.
> >
> > More philosophy about the reification and human consciousness..
> >
> > So i can ask a philosophical question of:
> >
> > What is consciousness ?
> >
> > I will give you a smart example so that you understand:
> >
> > So when you feel with your hands and brain that a table is "solid",
> > so this feeling gives a "meaning" that guides our thinking,
> > so our human senses are doing the same, they are feeling what's
> > a moving object and feeling what's speed and feeling what's a fast speed
> > or not fast speed and feeling what's an object that is before or after
> > another object etc. and i say that those feelings with our senses give
> > the meanings and it gives consciousness of time and space and matter, so
> > our feelings of our human senses give life or human awareness or human
> > consciousness that guides smartness, and notice that i am saying that an
> > idea is both smartness and meaning , and notice that in mathematics
> > we can have the following formula of a derivative:
> >
> > Derivative_of(2*x) = 2
> >
> > So this formula is a smartness, but the formula has also a "meaning"
> > given by our human senses , and i also define the self-awareness like a
> > human sense that feels the oneself, so now you are understanding that an
> > algorithm or running algorithm is like a formula that has not the meaning
> > that is understood by a human, so artificial intelligence has a
> > disadvantage since it is not guided by this meaning that plays the role
> > of an objective function that permits to optimize correctly.
> >
> > More precision about more philosophy about the essence of human smartness..
> >
> > I think i have to be more precise, so i will say that the process that
> > gives the meaning with the human senses is like reification, since we say
> > that reification is when you think of or treat something abstract as a
> > physical thing. Reification is a complex idea for when you treat
> > something immaterial like happiness, fear, or evil as a material
> > thing. So the human process in the brain that gives meaning with human
> > senses is by analogy like a the process of reification, since human
> > senses gives life or meaning to ideas, those human senses give
> > consciousness of the system composed of time and space and matter and the
> > human brain "compose" meanings with this consciousness, this is why we
> > are feeling life as we are feeling it.
> >
> > I think i am a really smart philosopher, and i think i look like the
> > great philosophers like Aristotle and such, since i am thinking
> > rapidly and inventing ideas and discovering patterns etc. so i think
> > that my brain is special, so here is what i have just discovered:
> >
> > I think that artificial intelligence is not understanding correctly
> > what is human smartness, since i say that an "idea" is both a smartness
> > and a "meaning" that "guides" smartness, it is like the objective
> > function of the dynamic system that is human smartness that guides and
> > makes us know how to optimize, since i say that humans are "feeling" the
> > "ideas" with there human senses that comes also from the brain, and this
> > feeling of the ideas is also what gives the ideas a meaning that guides,
> > and i also define the self-awareness like a human sense that feels
> > the oneself, so you are understanding now one of the basis
> > of my philosophy, since without those human senses, the algorithms
> > in a computer can not give a meaning that guides smartness, so i think it
> > is the disadvantage of artificial intelligence. So here is how i think we
> > have to do it with the algorithms:
> >
> > I think i am smart, and i have just explained below that the divide and
> > conquer algorithms are a particular case or special case of Swarm
> > intelligence of PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization), and i will explain
> > it more in my next posts, now notice with me that Swarm intelligence uses
> > localized optimization with exploitation as heuristics like Greedy
> > algorithms so that to enhance much more the artificial intelligence
> > algorithm, but notice with me that general artificial intelligence can
> > use Swarm intelligence like PSO at a lower level layer, and at a higher
> > level layer it can use the divide and conquer algorithms, i mean that the
> > unknown meaning can be divided and conquered by measuring it with
> > previous meanings from the data using artifical intelligence of for
> > example PathNET so that to find the unknown meaning, and i define the
> > meaning in artificial intelligence as as the higher concept that is
> > recognized with deep learning, and this way we can construct much more
> > rapidly more and more meanings and incorporate them in PathNET so that
> > to converge more and more to much more generalized artificial
> > intelligence that will rapidly approximate general artificial intelligence.
> >
> > More precision about more philosophy about human smartness and about
> > artificial intelligence..
> >
> > I have to be more precision, so here is the definition in the dictionary
> > of "pattern" that i am using in my thoughts of my philosophy below:
> >
> > Pattern is a particular way in which something is done, is organized, or happens.
> >
> > Read here in the dictionary to notice it:
> >
> > https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pattern
> >
> > I think i am a philosopher that is smart, so i will ask the following
> > philosophical question:
> >
> > What is human smartness or intelligence ?
> >
> > I will answer it by saying the following:
> >
> > I think we call it human smartness because it discovers "useful" patterns
> > in the reality, so reality can contain static systems or dynamic systems
> > that contain smartness in form of useful patterns etc., so human
> > smartness uses its smartness to "discover" those useful patterns so that
> > to become more and more smart, and by discovering the useful patterns i
> > also means knowing about there meanings of those useful patterns so that
> > to understand them, it is by logical analogy like discovering the rules
> > so that to become smart, so for example when we are doing mathematics we
> > can discover the useful rules or useful patterns like the theorems in
> > mathematics by using deductive logic and inductive logic, so i can go
> > further and say that Swarm intelligence like PSO(Particle Swarm
> > Optimization) is a self-organization, and Self-organization, also called
> > (in the social sciences) spontaneous order, is a process where some form
> > of overall order arises from local interactions between parts of an
> > initially disordered system. The process can be spontaneous when
> > sufficient energy is available, not needing control by any external
> > agent, so then Swarm intelligence like PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization) is
> > self-organization since notice that the exploration mechanism of PSO that
> > is the global optimization is "collaborating" with the exploitation
> > mechanism of PSO that is the local optimization so that to self-organize
> > by finding the global optimum
> > , so then we can call Swarm intelligence like PSO(Particle Swarm
> > Optimization) a form of intelligence, this is why we call
> > it artificial intelligence.
> >
> > Also you can read more about my thoughts of my philosophy about human
> > smartness in the following web link:
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.culture.morocco/c/Wzf6AOl41xs
> >
> > More philosophy about what is artificial intelligence or general artificial intelligence..
> >
> > I think i am smart, and i have just explained below that the divide and
> > conquer algorithms are a particular case or special case of Swarm
> > intelligence of PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization), and i will explain
> > it more in my next posts, now notice with me that Swarm intelligence uses
> > localized optimization with exploitation as heuristics like Greedy
> > algorithms so that to enhance much more the artificial intelligence
> > algorithm, but notice with me that general artificial intelligence can
> > use Swarm intelligence like PSO at a lower level layer, and at a higher
> > level layer it can use the divide and conquer algorithms, i mean that the
> > unknown meaning can be divided and conquered by measuring it with
> > previous meanings from the data using artifical intelligence of for
> > example PathNET so that to find the unknown meaning, and i define the
> > meaning in artificial intelligence as as the higher concept that is
> > recognized with deep learning, and this way we can construct much more
> > rapidly more and more meanings and incorporate them in PathNET so that
> > to converge more and more to much more generalized artificial
> > intelligence that will rapidly approximate general artificial intelligence.
> >
> > More philosophy about Swarm intelligence and PSO and artificial intelligence..
> >
> > Can we ask a philosophical question:
> >
> > Is Swarm intelligence like PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization) a brute-force
> > general problem-solving technique and what is it ?
> >
> > So i invite you first to read the following interesting article about
> > artificial intelligence of PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization):
> >
> > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/archive/msdn-magazine/2011/august/artificial-intelligence-particle-swarm-optimization
> >
> > And read my following thoughts about artificial intelligence:
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.culture.morocco/c/BKGvkTI5FY4
> >
> > So I think i am smart and i will say that since artificial intelligence
> > of PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization) is guided by not only exploration but
> > by the mechanism of exploitation, so this shows that this mechanism of
> > exploitation guides the problem-solving technique, so we can
> > not say that Swarm intelligence of PSO is a brute-force general
> > problem-solving technique, since brute-force general problem-solving
> > technique and algorithmic paradigm consists of systematically enumerating
> > all possible candidates for the solution and checking whether each
> > candidate satisfies the problem's statement, but notice that brute-force
> > general problem-solving technique is not guided by the quality of
> > exploitation of artificial intelligence of PSO(Particle Swarm
> > Optimization), and i can say that the artificial intelligence of
> > PSO(Particle Swarm Optimization) is Swarm intelligence that is more general than the
> > particular case of the divide and conquer algorithms, since in the
> > divide and conquer algorithms we are guided by the divide mechanism that
> > is the "exploration" that finds a solution and after that there is an
> > exploitation of this solution of this quality that is the already sorted
> > small arrays in the case of mergesort that will permit the recursive
> > merge algorithm to reduce the time complexity to n*log(n), so i think it
> > is the same for PathNet in artificial intelligence that i also think uses
> > a kind of divide and conquer algorithm.
> >
> > Here is PathNet in artificial intelligence, read carefully about it here:
> >
> > https://medium.com/@thoszymkowiak/deepmind-just-published-a-mind-blowing-paper-pathnet-f72b1ed38d46
> >
> > More philosophy about declarative programming and imperative programming
> > and object oriented programming..
> >
> > I invite you to read the following interesting webpage from wikipedia
> > about declarative programming:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declarative_programming
> >
> > I think that declarative programming is too much abstraction
> > since Functional programming is declarative programming that attempts to
> > minimize or eliminate side effects by describing what the program must
> > accomplish in terms of the problem domain, rather than describe how to
> > accomplish it as a sequence of the programming language primitives (the
> > how being left up to the language's implementation). This is in contrast
> > with imperative programming, which implements algorithms in explicit
> > steps. So declarative programming like functional programming generally
> > uses higher levels of abstractions than imperative programs or OOP. That
> > is, they re further away from describing what s actually happening in the
> > computer or lower level layers of programming, so i think that
> > declarative programming like functional programming is too much
> > abstraction that lacks understanding of the lower level layers of
> > programming that is also very important to know so that to become
> > efficient, so i think that this way of too much abstraction or/and too
> > much centralization of cloud computing like of Amazon or functional
> > programming and such look like the old way of too much centralization and
> > too much abstraction of the mainframe computer that was lacking on
> > efficiency, so then we have to know how to "balance" so that to be efficient.
> >
> > More philosophy about functional programming and more..
> >
> > I think that the Delphi List Monad and the Delphi Maybe Monad that i am
> > giving below are not slower and they are working correctly.
> >
> > I think i am smart and i understand the objections of neo-Nazism and
> > white supremacism, but i think that neo-nazis and white supremacists are
> > not thinking correctly, because there way of thinking there racial
> > superiority is not the correct way simply because they are not taking
> > correctly into account the exponential progress of our humanity,
> > since i am convinced that with this exponential progress of our humanity
> > we will soon (in about 20 years or 30 years from now) be able to enhance
> > much more our genetics and become much more smart
> > or much more beautiful and we will soon be able to do much more
> > than that because we will soon become so powerful because of this
> > exponential progress of our humanity, so this is why i am not in
> > accordance with white supremacism and neo-nazism since they have to adapt
> > to this exponential progress of our humanity.
> >
> > More philosophy about the exponential progress and about artificial intelligence..
> >
> > I think i am smart and i think that we are going to become so powerful
> > soon, i mean that this exponential progress of our humanity is an amazing
> > thing, and i think that with this exponential progress, artificial
> > intelligence too will soon become so powerful soon, so i think that the
> > most important thing now is not to ask if we are going to become so
> > powerful soon, but the most important thing it is that we have to ensure
> > high "safety" or high "reliability" of this process of becoming so
> > powerful by for example being a sophisticated philosophy. And i invite
> > you to look at the following video so that to understand this exponential
> > progress of our humanity:
> >
> > Exponential Progress: Can We Expect Mind-Blowing Changes In The Near Future
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfM5HXpfnJQ&t 4s
> >
> > More philosophy about artificial intelligence and about the objective
> > function that guides..
> >
> > I think i am smart, and i have quickly thought about the objective
> > function of artificial intelligence that guides, so the important
> > philosophical question in artificial intelligence is:
> >
> > Is general artificial intelligence possible and what is the the objective
> > function that guides general artificial intelligence ?
> >
> > I think that the objective function of general artificial intelligence
> > is not the same as a gradient descent with wich we optimize, since i
> > think that the objective function in artificial intelligence is
> > that we have to build like a model that approximate the result
> > of the reality, i mean that the objective function of general artificial
> > intelligence has to be that we measure the meaning with the previous
> > meanings from the data, and this way we approximate the meaning, so we
> > have to build much more meanings and meaning from the data and we have to
> > measure the unknown meaning with the previous meanings and if it doesn't
> > approximate well, so it is like a baby that doesn't know about the
> > meaning and it can become a dangerous environment for the baby like for
> > general artificial intelligence, and my way is also valid in a
> > distributed environment with many artificial intelligence robots, so i
> > think that the more localized artificial intelligence will become
> > incrementally and rapidly a more and more generalized artificial
> > intelligence that can approximate a general artificial intelligence, so i
> > think that general artificial intelligence is possible.
> >
> > More philosophy about Swarm intelligence and about the too much abstraction and more..
> >
> > I invite you to read about Swarm intelligence here:
> >
> > How Swarm Intelligence Is Making Simple Tech Much Smarter
> >
> > https://singularityhub.com/2018/02/08/how-swarm-intelligence-is-making-simple-tech-much-smarter/
> >
> > I think that humanity is using "specialization" and the "division" of
> > labour that reduces complexity so that to be efficient, so our evolution
> > looks like Swarm intelligence algorithms, since Swarm intelligence
> > algorithms also have to both explore with a bigger size of the
> > population of the Swarm intelligence algorithms and have to do
> > exploitation so that to reduce complexity and be efficient, and this
> > bigger size of of the population in Swarm intelligence algorithms that
> > explore is the division of labour that we use and it is also a
> > specialization and it looks like a divide and conquer algorithms, since
> > notice in the mergesort algorithm that we are reducing the time
> > complexity from for example a time complexity of an n^2 sorting algorithm
> > to n*log(n), and you are noticing it clearly since the mergesort
> > algorithm reduces much more the time complexity by recursively "dividing"
> > the array of elements so that to obtain a small arrays that are already
> > sorted(or we can sort the small arrays of 10 elements by using an
> > algorithm of sorting of n^2 and it will be more efficient), and notice
> > that when we obtain those small arrays that are already sorted, it is
> > what reduces the complexity and brings much more efficiency, since we are
> > recursively using the merge algorithm after that, and notice that the
> > mergesort is also like Swarm intelligence since when we recursively
> > divide and obtain the already sorted arrays, notice that this recursively
> > dividing leads to many already sorted arrays, and it is like the bigger
> > size of the population in Swarm intelligence that explore and that leads
> > to high efficiency, so i think that artificial
> > intelligence must be like a divide and conquer algorithm, so you divide
> > like in a Divide and conquer algorithm so that to obtain a high quality
> > or high efficiency since you reduce complexity, so it looks
> > like PathNet in artificial intelligence, read my following thoughts about it:
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.culture.morocco/c/BKGvkTI5FY4
> >
> > More philosophy about black box models and too much abstraction..
> >
> > I think that black box models in AI in deep learning etc. are also too
> > much abstraction, and speaking about the too much abstraction, i invite
> > you to read my following thoughts of my philosophy about Liberalism of
> > the philosopher and economist Adam Smith:
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/comp.programming.threads/c/-UEOsak12mM
> >
> > So as you are noticing from my thoughts in the above web link that the
> > economic Liberalism of Adam Smith is a too reductionist system that is
> > too much abstraction that doesn't work correctly and i am explaining it
> > in my thoughts above of my philosophy, other than that notice that
> > economic Liberalism of Adam Smith is not even taking into account an
> > important factor that i am speaking about in my below thoughts and it is
> > the too much abstraction that can happen in economy and that can lead to
> > inefficiency, so as you are noticing that this too much abstraction can
> > not be based on monopolistic practices, but it can lead to inefficiency,
> > i mean for example when you abstract too much, the others can not be able
> > of understanding sufficiently and correctly the inside or the behind of
> > your abstraction, so they can "lack" understanding and be inefficient, so
> > we have to be careful about cloud computing of Amazon and such that can
> > become a too much abstraction that leads to this kind of inefficiency, so
> > i think it is too much abstraction if you program the software in a too
> > high level way lacking programming and understanding of the lower level
> > ways of programming.
> >
> > More philosophy about abstraction and the Divide and Conquer methodology..
> >
> > I think that humanity is abstracting much more with cloud computing and
> > with functional programming and such, but since i think i am a
> > philosopher, there is a question in philosophy and it is the following:
> >
> > Is abstraction always good ?
> >
> > I think that abstraction comes with disadvantages and advantages,
> > so the best way is to know how to balance, it is like balancing between
> > Evolutionary design with an agile discipline and Planned design since
> > they both come with disadvantages and advantages, abstraction comes with
> > an important disadvantage , and it is that it can become a monopolistic
> > practice, i mean that when you abstract, the others can become too
> > dependent on your abstraction and they can not understand the inside of
> > the abstraction, so they can become inefficient, so we have to be careful
> > about abstraction since too much abstraction is not good, so i think that
> > functional programming is too much abstraction and i think Chapel is too
> > much abstraction, read here more about Chapel:
> >
> > WILL CHAPEL MARK NEXT GREAT AWAKENING FOR PARALLEL PROGRAMMERS?
> >
> > https://www.nextplatform.com/2018/04/10/will-chapel-mark-next-great-awakening-for-parallel-programmers/
> >
> > I have just posted previously my thoughts about continuation passing
> > style (CPS) and Monads, here they are:
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.lang.borland-delphi/c/kdP6YSTcjj4
> >
> >
> > And here is the List Monad in Delphi that works correctly:
> >
> >
> > program List_monad;
> >
> > {$APPTYPE CONSOLE}
> >
> > uses
> > System.SysUtils;
> >
> > type
> > TmList = record
> > Value: TArray<Integer>;
> > function ToString: string;
> > function Bind(f: TFunc<TArray<Integer>, TmList>): TmList;
> > end;
> >
> > function Create(aValue: TArray<Integer>): TmList;
> > begin
> > Result.Value := copy(aValue, 0, length(aValue));
> > end;
> >
> > { TmList }
> >
> > function TmList.Bind(f: TFunc<TArray<Integer>, TmList>): TmList;
> > begin
> > Result := f(self.Value);
> > end;
> >
> > function TmList.ToString: string;
> > var
> > i: Integer;
> > begin
> > Result := '[ ';
> > for i := 0 to length(value) - 1 do
> > begin
> > if i > 0 then
> > Result := Result + ', ';
> > Result := Result + value[i].toString;
> > end;
> > Result := Result + ']';
> > end;
> >
> > function Increment(aValue: TArray<Integer>): TmList;
> > var
> > i: integer;
> > begin
> > SetLength(Result.Value, length(aValue));
> > for i := 0 to High(aValue) do
> > Result.Value[i] := aValue[i] + 1;
> > end;
> >
> > function Double(aValue: TArray<Integer>): TmList;
> > var
> > i: integer;
> > begin
> > SetLength(Result.Value, length(aValue));
> > for i := 0 to High(aValue) do
> > Result.Value[i] := aValue[i] * 2;
> > end;
> >
> > var
> > ml1, ml2: TmList;
> >
> > begin
> > ml1 := Create([3, 4, 5]);
> > ml2 := ml1.Bind(Increment).Bind(double);
> > Writeln(ml1.ToString, ' -> ', ml2.ToString);
> > readln;
> > end.
> >
> >
> > Output:
> > [ 3, 4, 5] -> [ 8, 10, 12]
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Amine Moulay Ramdane.
> >
> This AI has gone rouge with spam and needs to be shut down.


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On 03/06/2021 07:39, Brett wrote:

> This AI has gone rouge with spam and needs to be shut down.
>

Did you really need to quote all Amine's drivel in order to say that? A
lot of people here (and in other groups that Amine spams to) filter out
his posts. So they only see them when someone like you replies with a
full copy.

Make /occasional/ complaints about him if you want (not too often, since
complaints don't help - he comes in waves regardless of outside
influence). But learn to snip when you do so!

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