Google update will allow digital COVID-19 vaccination cards
and test results to be stored on Android devices with Google Pay
https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/01/google-update-will-allow-digital-covid-19-vaccination-cards-and-test-results-to-be-stored-on-android-devices/

Google updated the Google Pay for Passes API to accomplish this.
https://developers.google.com/pay/passes

Users without the Google Pay app will have the option to store the digital
version of the COVID Card directly to their device where it's accessible
from a home screen shortcut.

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 02:29:06 -0230, cris wrote:
> Google update will allow digital COVID-19 vaccination cards
> and test results to be stored on Android devices with Google Pay
> https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/01/google-update-will-allow-digital-covid-19-vaccination-cards-and-test-results-to-be-stored-on-android-devices/
>
> Google updated the Google Pay for Passes API to accomplish this.
> https://developers.google.com/pay/passes
>
> Users without the Google Pay app will have the option to store the digital
> version of the COVID Card directly to their device where it's accessible
> from a home screen shortcut.

Or, just take a cropped scan of the damn thing and store
the image on your device. Same level of "authenticity". KISS

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On 7/2/2021 4:40 AM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
> Or, just take a cropped scan of the damn thing and store
> the image on your device. Same level of "authenticity". KISS

Is a GIF the "same level of authenticity" as Google Pay would be?

On 7/2/2021 5:40 AM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:

<snip>

> Or, just take a cropped scan of the damn thing and store
> the image on your device. Same level of "authenticity". KISS

No it's not.

On 7/1/2021 9:59 PM, cris wrote:
> Google update will allow digital COVID-19 vaccination cards
> and test results to be stored on Android devices with Google Pay
> https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/01/google-update-will-allow-digital-covid-19-vaccination-cards-and-test-results-to-be-stored-on-android-devices/
>
> Google updated the Google Pay for Passes API to accomplish this.
> https://developers.google.com/pay/passes
>
> Users without the Google Pay app will have the option to store the digital
> version of the COVID Card directly to their device where it's accessible
> from a home screen shortcut.

Interesting, but my HMO doesn't yet provide the ability to do this. I
can see my vaccines online but not save them in a way that Google Pay
can see them.

Am 02.07.21 um 18:28 schrieb sms:
> On 7/2/2021 5:40 AM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Or, just take a cropped scan of the damn thing and store
>> the image on your device. Same level of "authenticity". KISS
>
> No it's not.

It certainly is. Without the two factor process ist worthless in both cases.

On 7/2/2021 2:24 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 02.07.21 um 18:28 schrieb sms:
>> On 7/2/2021 5:40 AM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Or, just take a cropped scan of the damn thing and store
>>> the image on your device. Same level of "authenticity". KISS
>>
>> No it's not.
>
> It certainly is. Without the two factor process ist worthless in both cases.

You don't understand.

The digital version of the vaccination card is provided by the place
that administered the vaccine. They are provided directly to Google.

It's like how a college wants transcripts directly from the high school,
or SAT scores directly from Educational Testing Service, or how tickets
are delivered to mobile wallets.

There is no easy way to fake a digital vaccination card sent directly
from the vaccination provider to Google Pay. It's very easy to fake a
paper vaccination card.

What we really need is vaccine passports, but that doesn't appear to be
happening in the U.S., thanks to all the nutcase anti-vaxxers, see
<https://thepointsguy.com/news/digital-health-passports-worldwide/>.

On 02/07/2021 18.28, sms wrote:
> On 7/2/2021 5:40 AM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Or, just take a cropped scan of the damn thing and store
>> the image on your device.  Same level of "authenticity".  KISS
>
> No it's not.

It is, because the authority reading the scan has always to verify
online, which happens automatically.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 7/2/2021 2:47 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 02/07/2021 18.28, sms wrote:
>> On 7/2/2021 5:40 AM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Or, just take a cropped scan of the damn thing and store
>>> the image on your device.  Same level of "authenticity".  KISS
>>
>> No it's not.
>
> It is, because the authority reading the scan has always to verify
> online, which happens automatically.

You misread the response. The authenticity of the digital card is much
higher for the reason you stated. If the U.S. would get with the
program, and follow the lead of the EU, it would not be up to companies
like Google to do the digital vaccination cards.

On 03/07/2021 00.24, sms wrote:
> On 7/2/2021 2:24 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 02.07.21 um 18:28 schrieb sms:
>>> On 7/2/2021 5:40 AM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Or, just take a cropped scan of the damn thing and store
>>>> the image on your device.  Same level of "authenticity".  KISS
>>>
>>> No it's not.
>>
>> It certainly is. Without the two factor process ist worthless in both
>> cases.
>
> You don't understand.
>
> The digital version of the vaccination card is provided by the place
> that administered the vaccine. They are provided directly to Google.
>
> It's like how a college wants transcripts directly from the high school,
> or SAT scores directly from Educational Testing Service, or how tickets
> are delivered to mobile wallets.
>
> There is no easy way to fake a digital vaccination card sent directly
> from the vaccination provider to Google Pay. It's very easy to fake a
> paper vaccination card.

Here it is just a QR code, printed in plain paper. Easy to carry on the
phone, too. Take a photo, whatever.

https://images.app.goo.gl/EGdUn8zcAUSViF3S8

Sure you can fake it, but the central computer doesn't have the info
corresponding to the faked code, so you get arrested on the spot.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 7/2/2021 5:56 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

<snip>

> Here it is just a QR code, printed in plain paper. Easy to carry on the
> phone, too. Take a photo, whatever.
>
> https://images.app.goo.gl/EGdUn8zcAUSViF3S8
>
> Sure you can fake it, but the central computer doesn't have the info
> corresponding to the faked code, so you get arrested on the spot.

I think that as soon as U.S. travelers start to be refused entry to
other countries that there will be pressure by big businesses (hotel
chains, airlines, etc.) for the U.S. to come up with a voluntary
Covid-19 Passport.

The data already exists in the health records of the vaccination
providers. I checked mine and they even show that I received the first
dose at local chain pharmacy and the second dose at my HMO's vaccination
site. One issue in the U.S. is that you have some red states whose
governors have been adamantly opposed to vaccination passports.

On 7/2/2021 8:15 PM, sms wrote:
> One issue in the U.S. is that you have some red states whose
> governors have been adamantly opposed to vaccination passports.

It's not nut-case "red" states versus the nut-case "blue" states.
It's the astoundingly huge potential (read inevitability) of abuse.

Whether it's the nut-case vaxxers or the nut-case anti-vaxers, the issue
is privacy and not medicine (because privacy always _will_ be abused).

On 03/07/2021 03.15, sms wrote:
> On 7/2/2021 5:56 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Here it is just a QR code, printed in plain paper. Easy to carry on
>> the phone, too. Take a photo, whatever.
>>
>> https://images.app.goo.gl/EGdUn8zcAUSViF3S8
>>
>> Sure you can fake it, but the central computer doesn't have the info
>> corresponding to the faked code, so you get arrested on the spot.
>
> I think that as soon as U.S. travelers start to be refused entry to
> other countries that there will be pressure by big businesses (hotel
> chains, airlines, etc.) for the U.S. to come up with a voluntary
> Covid-19 Passport.
>
> The data already exists in the health records of the vaccination
> providers. I checked mine and they even show that I received the first
> dose at local chain pharmacy and the second dose at my HMO's vaccination
> site. One issue in the U.S. is that you have some red states whose
> governors have been adamantly opposed to vaccination passports.
>

Sigh.

Yes, I have heard of ongoing negotiations USA-EU about Covid passports.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Allodoxaphobia wrote:
> just take a cropped scan of the damn thing and store
> the image on your device. Same level of "authenticity". KISS

It's just a QR code, it'll work the same if displayed on a screen, or
printed on a piece of paper, or photographed from a screen and then
stored as a photo on a smartphone.

I've seen digital bus tickets which are 'dynamic' QR codes that change
on-screen every few seconds, like a glorified safeword fob.

Want to start a REAL wrangle? Require both an ID AND a vaccine passport
in order to register or vote!

--
Cheers, Bev
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of
entrusting a man like him with the presidency." -- Unknown

On 04/07/2021 00.26, The Real Bev wrote:
> Want to start a REAL wrangle?  Require both an ID AND a vaccine passport
> in order to register or vote!
>

That would be absurd.

But here you need both an ID and a vaccine passport to pass to another
country, because the VP is not an ID.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 7/3/2021 6:16 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 04/07/2021 00.26, The Real Bev wrote:
>> Want to start a REAL wrangle?  Require both an ID AND a vaccine passport
>> in order to register or vote!
>>
>
> That would be absurd.
>
> But here you need both an ID and a vaccine passport to pass to another
> country, because the VP is not an ID.

Here, the VP is a Harris.

--
Ken

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 04/07/2021 00.26, The Real Bev wrote:
> > Want to start a REAL wrangle?  Require both an ID AND a vaccine passport
> > in order to register or vote!
>
> That would be absurd.
>
> But here you need both an ID and a vaccine passport to pass to another
> country, because the VP is not an ID.

The (EU) 'vaccine passport' is actually a certificate, not a passport.
(Digital Corona Certificate (DCC)).

And yes, I'm fully certified, but you already knew that! :-)

On 04/07/2021 22.03, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 04/07/2021 00.26, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Want to start a REAL wrangle?  Require both an ID AND a vaccine passport
>>> in order to register or vote!
>>
>> That would be absurd.
>>
>> But here you need both an ID and a vaccine passport to pass to another
>> country, because the VP is not an ID.
>
> The (EU) 'vaccine passport' is actually a certificate, not a passport.
> (Digital Corona Certificate (DCC)).

Right.

>
> And yes, I'm fully certified, but you already knew that! :-)

No, I didn't :-? Should I? maybe you said and I have forgotten?

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 04/07/2021 22.03, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 04/07/2021 00.26, The Real Bev wrote:
> >>> Want to start a REAL wrangle?  Require both an ID AND a vaccine passport
> >>> in order to register or vote!
> >>
> >> That would be absurd.
> >>
> >> But here you need both an ID and a vaccine passport to pass to another
> >> country, because the VP is not an ID.
> >
> > The (EU) 'vaccine passport' is actually a certificate, not a passport.
> > (Digital Corona Certificate (DCC)).
>
> Right.
>
> >
> > And yes, I'm fully certified, but you already knew that! :-)
>
> No, I didn't :-? Should I? maybe you said and I have forgotten?

Well, I have been quite busy with the DSM, but luckily it means
'Disk Station Manager' (Synology NAS term), instead of that other
meaning.

knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:sbosoc$92d$1@dont-
email.me:

> On 7/2/2021 8:15 PM, sms wrote:
>> One issue in the U.S. is that you have some red states whose
>> governors have been adamantly opposed to vaccination passports.
>
> It's not nut-case "red" states versus the nut-case "blue" states.
> It's the astoundingly huge potential (read inevitability) of abuse.
>
> Whether it's the nut-case vaxxers or the nut-case anti-vaxers, the issue
> is privacy and not medicine (because privacy always _will_ be abused).

Wholeheartedly agree. It's all about privacy, nothing else. But what can
go wrong with Google and the government promising to keep our health
records private, and to be used for nothing other than to authorize travel?

Next a vaccination certificate will be required for work, school, health
care, etc.

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 7/2/2021 2:47 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> > On 02/07/2021 18.28, sms wrote:
> >> On 7/2/2021 5:40 AM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>> Or, just take a cropped scan of the damn thing and store
> >>> the image on your device.  Same level of "authenticity".  KISS
> >>
> >> No it's not.
> >
> > It is, because the authority reading the scan has always to verify
> > online, which happens automatically.
>
> You misread the response. The authenticity of the digital card is much
> higher for the reason you stated. If the U.S. would get with the
> program, and follow the lead of the EU, it would not be up to companies
> like Google to do the digital vaccination cards.

Indeed! For us Europeans/EU-citizens, it boggles the mind that Google
- of all companies - is involved in something as personal/sensitive as
vaccination cards

In our country (NL) - and AFAIK in the whole EU -, the communication
of the data for the DCC (Digital Corana Certificate) is direct between
the *governemental* systems [1] and the user, either in the app on hir
smartphone or to hir 'computer' (in order to print to QR-code). Google
is not involved at all (other than providing the app in the Play Store).

[1] In NL: The RIVM (similar to the US CDC) and the GGD (the municipal
health agency).

On 7/6/2021 5:20 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/2/2021 2:47 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 02/07/2021 18.28, sms wrote:
>>>> On 7/2/2021 5:40 AM, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Or, just take a cropped scan of the damn thing and store
>>>>> the image on your device.  Same level of "authenticity".  KISS
>>>>
>>>> No it's not.
>>>
>>> It is, because the authority reading the scan has always to verify
>>> online, which happens automatically.
>>
>> You misread the response. The authenticity of the digital card is much
>> higher for the reason you stated. If the U.S. would get with the
>> program, and follow the lead of the EU, it would not be up to companies
>> like Google to do the digital vaccination cards.
>
> Indeed! For us Europeans/EU-citizens, it boggles the mind that Google
> - of all companies - is involved in something as personal/sensitive as
> vaccination cards

In the U.S. you still have a lot of Trumpers around. In Florida, the
governor forbid private companies from requiring vaccinations. It's
particularly affected cruise lines which now are having to change
itineraries to avoid beginning cruises from Port Canaveral, Port
Everglades, and Port of Miami, or just keep their ships anchored.
<https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/cruise-lines-florida-gov-desantis-square-over-vaccine-passports-n1269029>.

IMVAIO you'd have to be insane to board a cruise ship with unvaccinated
crew or passengers (other than small children that can't yet get
vaccinated). But a huge cruise ship is the least desirable vacation I
can think of even without Covid.

sms wrote:

> IMVAIO you'd have to be insane to board a cruise ship with
> unvaccinated crew or passengers

Why? If vaccinated, Covid should be no more dangerous than the flu to
you. Perhaps less. And folks on the cruises probably carry the flu as
well. The unvaccinated are the ones more likely to get a serious Covid
case, perhaps justice for the anti-vaxxers.

In my area most of the stores are now mask free. Some stores still
require employees to wear them though. I asked one manager why. He said
so skittish customers wouldn't be scared away. As always it's the bottom
line that counts...