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Subject: Anyone else programming vintage Mac?
From: D Finnigan
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Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 17:29 UTC
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From: dog_...@macgui.com (D Finnigan)
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I've been learning 68000 assembly language for the past 18 months or so and
writing some little applications that will run on the Mac 512K and other
models from that era. I think it's impressive to see the code, when written
following Inside Macintosh guidelines, will run even on a Power Mac G3 with
OS 9.

Anyone else doing any vintage Mac development, up thru OS 9?

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Subject: Re: Anyone else programming vintage Mac?
From: Your Name
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On 2020-05-11 17:29:30 +0000, D Finnigan said:

I've been learning 68000 assembly language for the past 18 months or so and
writing some little applications that will run on the Mac 512K and other
models from that era. I think it's impressive to see the code, when written
following Inside Macintosh guidelines, will run even on a Power Mac G3 with
OS 9.

It depends on what OS-based routines you use, as well as how well you follow the programming "rules". As the Mac OS evovled, many routines were changed or removed, as well as the ever-changing hardware features. For example, some old System 6 games will not run at all on newer MacOS 7 or 8 while others will run, but don't play any sound.



Anyone else doing any vintage Mac development, up thru OS 9?

There are a couple of 86K and PPC programmers at MacintoshGarden.org, although no specific part of the forum for it.




Subject: Re: Anyone else programming vintage Mac?
From: Your Name
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Subject: Re: Anyone else programming vintage Mac?
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On 2020-05-11 21:42:56 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2020-05-11 17:29:30 +0000, D Finnigan said:

I've been learning 68000 assembly language for the past 18 months or so and
writing some little applications that will run on the Mac 512K and other
models from that era. I think it's impressive to see the code, when written
following Inside Macintosh guidelines, will run even on a Power Mac G3 with
OS 9.

It depends on what OS-based routines you use, as well as how well you follow the programming "rules". As the Mac OS evovled, many routines were changed or removed, as well as the ever-changing hardware features. For example, some old System 6 games will not run at all on newer MacOS 7 or 8 while others will run, but don't play any sound.

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9, then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic" MacOS 9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.




Subject: Re: Anyone else programming vintage Mac?
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In article <r9dbup$1jtv$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic" MacOS
9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.


Subject: Re: Anyone else programming vintage Mac?
From: Adrian Tuddenham
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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

In article <r9dbup$1jtv$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic" MacOS
9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.

There were some dual-boot machines (OS9/X), what processor did they use?

--
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(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk


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<1oqaqeq.24t6ox1z11w00N%adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>, Adrian
Tuddenham <adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic" MacOS
9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.

There were some dual-boot machines (OS9/X), what processor did they use?

there were numerous ones, all of which used powerpc processors.

macs stopped being able to natively boot os9 long before classic went
away.


Subject: Re: Anyone else programming vintage Mac?
From: D Finnigan
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From: dog_...@macgui.com (D Finnigan)
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Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

In article <r9dbup$1jtv$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic" MacOS
9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.

There were some dual-boot machines (OS9/X), what processor did they use?


G3 and G4. The last Mac that Apple allowed to boot into OS 9 was a G4. The
Power Mac G5 was always OS X-only.

--
]DF$
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https://macgui.com/newa2guide/



Subject: Re: Anyone else programming vintage Mac?
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On 2020-05-12 08:17, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

In article <r9dbup$1jtv$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic" MacOS
9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.

There were some dual-boot machines (OS9/X), what processor did they use?

Mac OS X version 10.0 through 10.4.3 ran on PowerPC processors. 10.4.4 was the first publicly released version of Mac OS which supported both PPC and Intel chips. While the classic environment existed through Mac OS 10.4.11, it was only supported on PowerPC based machines.

All machines capable of booting in Mac OS 9 ran on PowerPC chips.

André

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On 2020-05-12 14:17:18 +0000, Adrian Tuddenham said:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <r9dbup$1jtv$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic" MacOS
9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.

There were some dual-boot machines (OS9/X), what processor did they use?

Rats! That was a typo ... it was meant to be MacOS X on *PPC* Macs.   :-\

On Intel Macs you can use emulation via Sheepshaver, vMac Mini, Basillisk, etc. to run an older version of the Mac OS and its apps.



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Your Name wrote:
On 2020-05-12 14:17:18 +0000, Adrian Tuddenham said:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <r9dbup$1jtv$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic" MacOS
9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.

There were some dual-boot machines (OS9/X), what processor did they use?

Rats! That was a typo ... it was meant to be MacOS X on *PPC* Macs.   :-\

On Intel Macs you can use emulation via Sheepshaver, vMac Mini,
Basillisk, etc. to run an older version of the Mac OS and its apps.


Emulation isn't always necessary. You can run PowerPC Carbon apps under
Intel OS X 10.5. I occasionally run AppleWorks 6 under Intel 10.5.

--
]DF$
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https://macgui.com/newa2guide/



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nospam wrote:
In article <r9dbup$1jtv$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic" MacOS
9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.


You can run Carbon PowerPC apps on Mac OS X Intel up to 10.5.x using
Rosetta.

--
]DF$
The New Apple II User's Guide:
https://macgui.com/newa2guide/



Subject: Re: Anyone else programming vintage Mac?
From: nospam
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Subject: Re: Anyone else programming vintage Mac?
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In article <dog_cow-1589329556@macgui.com>, D Finnigan
<dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic" MacOS
9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.

There were some dual-boot machines (OS9/X), what processor did they use?

Rats! That was a typo ... it was meant to be MacOS X on *PPC* Macs.   :-\

On Intel Macs you can use emulation via Sheepshaver, vMac Mini,
Basillisk, etc. to run an older version of the Mac OS and its apps.


Emulation isn't always necessary. You can run PowerPC Carbon apps under
Intel OS X 10.5. I occasionally run AppleWorks 6 under Intel 10.5.

running a powerpc binary on intel *is* emulation.


Subject: Re: Anyone else programming vintage Mac?
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In article <dog_cow-1589329622@macgui.com>, D Finnigan
<dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic" MacOS
9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.


You can run Carbon PowerPC apps on Mac OS X Intel up to 10.5.x using
Rosetta.

the claim was about classic apps, not carbon.


Subject: Re: Anyone else programming vintage Mac?
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On 2020-05-12 18:27, D Finnigan wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article <r9dbup$1jtv$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic" MacOS
9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.


You can run Carbon PowerPC apps on Mac OS X Intel up to 10.5.x using
Rosetta.

Actually, up to 10.6.x

André


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Subject: Re: Anyone else programming vintage Mac?
From: D Finnigan
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From: dog_...@macgui.com (D Finnigan)
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nospam wrote:
In article <dog_cow-1589329556@macgui.com>, D Finnigan
<dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic"
MacOS
9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.

There were some dual-boot machines (OS9/X), what processor did they
use?

Rats! That was a typo ... it was meant to be MacOS X on *PPC* Macs. 
:-\

On Intel Macs you can use emulation via Sheepshaver, vMac Mini,
Basillisk, etc. to run an older version of the Mac OS and its apps.


Emulation isn't always necessary. You can run PowerPC Carbon apps under
Intel OS X 10.5. I occasionally run AppleWorks 6 under Intel 10.5.

running a powerpc binary on intel *is* emulation.


Then why didn't you mention Rosetta in your list of SheepShaver, vMac mini,
etc?

Or did you forget about Rosetta and Carbonized apps?

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Subject: Re: Anyone else programming vintage Mac?
From: D Finnigan
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nospam wrote:
In article <dog_cow-1589329622@macgui.com>, D Finnigan
<dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic" MacOS

9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.


You can run Carbon PowerPC apps on Mac OS X Intel up to 10.5.x using
Rosetta.

the claim was about classic apps, not carbon.


Carbon apps are Classic apps.


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In article <dog_cow-1589395761@macgui.com>, D Finnigan
<dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic" MacOS

9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.


You can run Carbon PowerPC apps on Mac OS X Intel up to 10.5.x using
Rosetta.

the claim was about classic apps, not carbon.


Carbon apps are Classic apps.

false.


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In article <dog_cow-1589395716@macgui.com>, D Finnigan
<dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:

I meant to say that if the program runs on a PPC Mac under MacOS 9,
then it will probably also run on an Intel Mac via the "Classic"
MacOS
9 environment included option of the early versions of MacOS X.

no it very definitely will not, since classic never existed on intel
macs.

There were some dual-boot machines (OS9/X), what processor did they
use?

Rats! That was a typo ... it was meant to be MacOS X on *PPC* Macs. 
:-\

On Intel Macs you can use emulation via Sheepshaver, vMac Mini,
Basillisk, etc. to run an older version of the Mac OS and its apps.


Emulation isn't always necessary. You can run PowerPC Carbon apps under
Intel OS X 10.5. I occasionally run AppleWorks 6 under Intel 10.5.

running a powerpc binary on intel *is* emulation.


Then why didn't you mention Rosetta in your list of SheepShaver, vMac mini,
etc?

i didn't mention sheepshaver or vmac.

Or did you forget about Rosetta and Carbonized apps?

i didn't forget anything.


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