On 2023-06-17 06:22, MarioCPPP wrote:
> On 17/06/23 07:54, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Wally J wrote:
>>
>>> I want to watch a youtube video that asks me to sign in to confirm my
>>> age
>>> But I don't want to create a Youtube account that they can easily track.
>>
>> switch to incognito/private tab
>> create throwaway google account (for total paranoia use a throwaway
>> email account)
>
> it seems to still be impossible, since they strictly require TELEPHONE
> number, the most personal information ever ...

Google do not require a phone number to set up an account.
They _ask_ for one. You can skip that.
Likewise a recovery e-mail address.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-06-17 06:22, MarioCPPP wrote:
> > On 17/06/23 07:54, Andy Burns wrote:
> >> Wally J wrote:
> >>
> >>> I want to watch a youtube video that asks me to sign in to confirm my
> >>> age
> >>> But I don't want to create a Youtube account that they can easily track.
> >>
> >> switch to incognito/private tab
> >> create throwaway google account (for total paranoia use a throwaway
> >> email account)
> >
> > it seems to still be impossible, since they strictly require TELEPHONE
> > number, the most personal information ever ...
>
> Google do not require a phone number to set up an account.
> They _ask_ for one. You can skip that.
> Likewise a recovery e-mail address.

That is correct. That used to be the case and is still the case.

A few moments ago, I created a throw-away account and could indeed
skip the phone number and recovery e-mail address.

I only needed to provide a (bogus) first name, the (bogus) name part
of the (to be created) gmail.com address, a (bogus) birthday and could
specify gender as 'rather don't say.

On 2023-06-23 11:53, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> I only needed to provide a (bogus) first name, the (bogus) name part
> of the (to be created) gmail.com address, a (bogus) birthday and could
> specify gender as 'rather don't say.

Only two sites have my correct birth date. Sites that are very, very
unlikely to be breached.

All others get the same bogus different birth date that is about 18
months away from the real one.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

On Jun 23, 2023, Frank Slootweg wrote
(in article<news:u74m78.fmc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>):

>> Google do not require a phone number to set up an account.
>> They _ask_ for one. You can skip that.
>> Likewise a recovery e-mail address.
>
> That is correct. That used to be the case and is still the case.
>
> A few moments ago, I created a throw-away account and could indeed
> skip the phone number and recovery e-mail address.
>
> I only needed to provide a (bogus) first name, the (bogus) name part
> of the (to be created) gmail.com address, a (bogus) birthday and could
> specify gender as 'rather don't say.

I suspect you are not using the VPN when creating the bogus Google account.
The reason for that suspicion is that I've tried VPN many times & it fails.

Google will not let you (in most cases) create an account on VPN
(without adding a _valid_ verification phone number _or_ email address).

Certainly if you are able to create the account, Google will very soon get
suspicious if your VPN geolocation changes thousands of miles in minutes.

So your bogus account, most likely, used the same IP as your normal one.
Or, your bogus account, just as likely, is an email that is traced to you.

Google knows that.
But maybe you were able to defy the odds, by some miracle perhaps?

Allow me to ask the question which wasn't answered in the prior posts.

Are you using a VPN (whether or not it's traced to you) and a one-time-only
throwaway email address (whether or not it's traced to you) when you
created and _often used_ that bogus Google email account and therefore
bogus YouTube login when you thereafter frequently logged into that bogus
Google account on YouTube to access those age-restricted videos?

I suspect not.
Google (normally) won't allow it.

Peter <occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
> On Jun 23, 2023, Frank Slootweg wrote
> (in article<news:u74m78.fmc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>):
>
> >> Google do not require a phone number to set up an account.
> >> They _ask_ for one. You can skip that.
> >> Likewise a recovery e-mail address.
> >
> > That is correct. That used to be the case and is still the case.
> >
> > A few moments ago, I created a throw-away account and could indeed
> > skip the phone number and recovery e-mail address.
> >
> > I only needed to provide a (bogus) first name, the (bogus) name part
> > of the (to be created) gmail.com address, a (bogus) birthday and could
> > specify gender as 'rather don't say.
>
> I suspect you are not using the VPN when creating the bogus Google account.
> The reason for that suspicion is that I've tried VPN many times & it fails.

No, I didn't use a VPN. The claim (by MarioCPPP) was that a Google
Account requires a telephone number. Alan Browne said that that was
incorrect and I confirmed it. That's all.

[...]

> Allow me to ask the question which wasn't answered in the prior posts.
>
> Are you using a VPN (whether or not it's traced to you) and a one-time-only
> throwaway email address (whether or not it's traced to you) when you
> created and _often used_ that bogus Google email account and therefore
> bogus YouTube login when you thereafter frequently logged into that bogus
> Google account on YouTube to access those age-restricted videos?
>
> I suspect not.
> Google (normally) won't allow it.

You're shifting the goalposts, at least as far as this sub-thread is
concerned. The OP nor MarioCPPP mentioned the need to be able to use a
VPN.

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> I suspect you are not using the VPN when creating the bogus Google account.
>> The reason for that suspicion is that I've tried VPN many times & it fails.
>
> No, I didn't use a VPN. The claim (by MarioCPPP) was that a Google
> Account requires a telephone number. Alan Browne said that that was
> incorrect and I confirmed it. That's all.

Thanks for being one of the few people telling the truth on this thread.

Google is on to all the "tricks of the trade" we might think of in not only
the CREATION but the DAILY USE of bogus accounts which are done under VPN.

> [...]
>
>> Allow me to ask the question which wasn't answered in the prior posts.
>>
>> Are you using a VPN (whether or not it's traced to you) and a one-time-only
>> throwaway email address (whether or not it's traced to you) when you
>> created and _often used_ that bogus Google email account and therefore
>> bogus YouTube login when you thereafter frequently logged into that bogus
>> Google account on YouTube to access those age-restricted videos?
>>
>> I suspect not.
>> Google (normally) won't allow it.
>
> You're shifting the goalposts, at least as far as this sub-thread is
> concerned. The OP nor MarioCPPP mentioned the need to be able to use a
> VPN.

The OP's goalpost, as far as I can tell, was met long ago in that the
yt-dlp works on every platform in the newsgroup list except for only one.

And the OP didn't make a big deal of the lack of yt-dlp on that one system.
(It's the iOS people who are upset that yt-dlp isn't on their platform.)

My only observation in this subthread is that Google is wise to VPN.

Those who claim Google isn't wise to VPN, are likely either lying or
they're not using VPN for ACCOUNT CREATION and/or for DAILY ACCOUNT USE.

I think we agree on that point.

On 2023-06-23 17:53, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-06-17 06:22, MarioCPPP wrote:
>>> On 17/06/23 07:54, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> Wally J wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I want to watch a youtube video that asks me to sign in to confirm my
>>>>> age
>>>>> But I don't want to create a Youtube account that they can easily track.
>>>>
>>>> switch to incognito/private tab
>>>> create throwaway google account (for total paranoia use a throwaway
>>>> email account)
>>>
>>> it seems to still be impossible, since they strictly require TELEPHONE
>>> number, the most personal information ever ...
>>
>> Google do not require a phone number to set up an account.
>> They _ask_ for one. You can skip that.
>> Likewise a recovery e-mail address.
>
> That is correct. That used to be the case and is still the case.

Well, I created an account about a year ago or two, and the phone was
required. I found no way to go around it.

Maybe the requisites vary per country. Or they use some other criteria.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2023-06-23 13:16, Peter wrote:
> On Jun 23, 2023, Frank Slootweg wrote
> (in article<news:u74m78.fmc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>):
>
>>> Google do not require a phone number to set up an account.
>>> They _ask_ for one. You can skip that.
>>> Likewise a recovery e-mail address.
>>
>> That is correct. That used to be the case and is still the case.
>>
>> A few moments ago, I created a throw-away account and could indeed
>> skip the phone number and recovery e-mail address.
>>
>> I only needed to provide a (bogus) first name, the (bogus) name part
>> of the (to be created) gmail.com address, a (bogus) birthday and could
>> specify gender as 'rather don't say.
>
> I suspect you are not using the VPN when creating the bogus Google account.
> The reason for that suspicion is that I've tried VPN many times & it fails.

Using Nord VPN from Montreal via Belgium:

Skip e-mail verif
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cm4ap6rwdka8ito/FF-VPN-EM.png

Skip phone number
https://www.dropbox.com/s/de7rx67fjfowm3o/FF-VPN-PN.png

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-06-23 17:53, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> >> On 2023-06-17 06:22, MarioCPPP wrote:
> >>> On 17/06/23 07:54, Andy Burns wrote:
> >>>> Wally J wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I want to watch a youtube video that asks me to sign in to confirm my
> >>>>> age
> >>>>> But I don't want to create a Youtube account that they can easily track.
> >>>>
> >>>> switch to incognito/private tab
> >>>> create throwaway google account (for total paranoia use a throwaway
> >>>> email account)
> >>>
> >>> it seems to still be impossible, since they strictly require TELEPHONE
> >>> number, the most personal information ever ...
> >>
> >> Google do not require a phone number to set up an account.
> >> They _ask_ for one. You can skip that.
> >> Likewise a recovery e-mail address.
> >
> > That is correct. That used to be the case and is still the case.
>
> Well, I created an account about a year ago or two, and the phone was
> required. I found no way to go around it.
>
> Maybe the requisites vary per country. Or they use some other criteria.

Maybe and I think the requisites varied over time. IIRC, there was a
time when you could only skip the phonenumber requirement by saying you
were a minor. (The days, you probably can skip it if you say you're over
60! :-))

Anyway, Alan Browne (and I) showed that it works today and Alan also
showed that it works with a VPN.