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* net.* hierarchyJason Evans
+* Re: net.* hierarchyThomas Hochstein
|`- Re: net.* hierarchyJason Evans
`* Re: net.* hierarchyJulien_ÉLIE
 +- Re: net.* hierarchyJason Evans
 `* Re: net.* hierarchyThomas Hochstein
  `* Re: net.* hierarchyRink
   `* Re: net.* hierarchyJulien_ÉLIE
    `* Re: net.* hierarchyRuss Allbery
     `* Re: net.* hierarchyJason Evans
      `* Re: net.* hierarchyThomas Hochstein
       `* Re: net.* hierarchyJason Evans
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Subject: net.* hierarchy
From: Jason Evans
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: theuse.net
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 20:01 UTC
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!news.theuse.net!.POSTED.ip-86-49-252-51.net.upcbroadband.cz!not-for-mail
From: jsev...@mailfence.com (Jason Evans)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: net.* hierarchy
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 20:01:32 -0000 (UTC)
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I recently saw mention of some great discussions in
net.subculture.usenet. I was able to read some of them from the
archive.org Usenet archives and I was surprised to see that the isc list
still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

I thought all of the newsgroups in that hierarchy went away after the
great renaming like to many others or converted to big-7 groups.
Obviously I was wrong. I would like to know, out of curiosity, if anyone
is responsible for that hierarchy or if it has been abandoned.


--
JE


Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
From: Thomas Hochstein
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 21:18 UTC
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Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2021 23:18:31 +0200
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Jason Evans wrote:

I was surprised to see that the isc list
still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_II


Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
From: Jason Evans
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: theuse.net
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 05:22 UTC
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From: jsev...@mailfence.com (Jason Evans)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 23:18:31 +0200, Thomas Hochstein wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_II

OIC. I didn't realize that's what that was. That's very interesting.



--
JE


Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
From: Julien_ÉLIE
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 12:38 UTC
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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien_ÉLIE)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 14:38:42 +0200
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Hi Jason,

I was surprised to see that the isc list
still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW.  These two URL do not seem relevant any longer:
   URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
   Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc

Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?


Obviously I was wrong. I would like to know, out of curiosity, if anyone
is responsible for that hierarchy or if it has been abandoned.

In control.ctl, net.* has historic state, "almost entirely abandoned". Maybe it is now totally abandoned?
   http://usenet.trigofacile.com/hierarchies/index.py?see=NET

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Ta remise sur pied lui a fait perdre la tête ! » (Astérix)


Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
From: Jason Evans
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: theuse.net
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 16:05 UTC
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From: jsev...@mailfence.com (Jason Evans)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 16:05:49 -0000 (UTC)
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On Tue, 08 Jun 2021 14:38:42 +0200, Julien ÉLIE wrote:


Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?


Wayback Machine is the only thing left:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050818051326/http://www.usenet2.org/


--
JE


Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
From: Thomas Hochstein
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 21:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2021 23:53:48 +0200
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Julien ÉLIE schrieb:

The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW.  These two URL do
not seem relevant any longer:
   URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
   Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc

They disappeared about 10 years ago.

Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

I don't think so.


Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
From: Rink
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:51 UTC
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Op 8-6-2021 om 23:53 schreef Thomas Hochstein:
Julien ÉLIE schrieb:

The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW.  These two URL do
not seem relevant any longer:
    URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
    Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc

They disappeared about 10 years ago.

Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

I don't think so.



I googled and found this site:

https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/soundness-inn.html

But I do not understand much of it and I do not know if this is what you were looking for.
(I am not a computer / internet / usenet expert, just an user)

Rink


Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
From: Julien_ÉLIE
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: Groupes francophones par TrigoFACILE
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:39 UTC
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Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
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Hi Rink,

The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW.  These two URL do
not seem relevant any longer:
    URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
    Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/control@usenet2.org.asc

They disappeared about 10 years ago.

Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

I googled and found this site:

https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/soundness-inn.html

But I do not understand much of it and I do not know if this is what you were looking for.

Thanks for the pointer, I've just read that page I did not know.  It indeed gives more background about Usenet II.  Pretty interesting for historic purpose.
Yet, it was not exactly what I was looking for; this is more a FAQ and how to configure a news server to carry Usenet II than an official homepage.
It appears from discussions in this thread that such a homepage no longer exists.  RIP.

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Open the black window and type text, to fix the network. »


Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
From: Russ Allbery
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: The Eyrie
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 03:03 UTC
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Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
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Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> writes:

Yet, it was not exactly what I was looking for; this is more a FAQ and
how to configure a news server to carry Usenet II than an official
homepage.  It appears from discussions in this thread that such a
homepage no longer exists.  RIP.

Yeah, Usenet II was a failed experiment.  It was active for a while, but
everyone slowly went elsewhere, mostly to another private hierarchy with
less ambitious goals and a much smaller number of peering news servers.

I've updated control.ctl to remove the legacy control information and make
it clearer that no one is using the hierarchy any more.

--
Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org)             https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/


Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
From: Jason Evans
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 20:03:25 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:

Yeah, Usenet II was a failed experiment.  It was active for a while, but
everyone slowly went elsewhere, mostly to another private hierarchy with
less ambitious goals and a much smaller number of peering news servers.

That's sad. It seemed like an interesting project. The archives of net
hierarchy that I've been reading are here if anyone is interested:
https://archive.org/download/usenet-net


Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
From: Thomas Hochstein
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 22:35 UTC
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Jason Evans wrote:

The archives of net
hierarchy that I've been reading are here if anyone is interested:
https://archive.org/download/usenet-net

I think that's not the net.* from Usenet II, but the (older) net.*
from before the Great Renaming. Those groups became the Big7 (later
Big8), so net.* had been re-purposed later on for Usenet II.

-thh


Subject: Re: net.* hierarchy
From: Jason Evans
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I think that's not the net.* from Usenet II, but the (older) net.*
from before the Great Renaming. Those groups became the Big7 (later
Big8), so net.* had been re-purposed later on for Usenet II.

-thh

It's both. I had been reading net.subculture.usenet which is a Usenet II
 newsgroup.




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Jason Evans schrieb:

It's both. I had been reading net.subculture.usenet which is a Usenet II
 newsgroup.

Ah, good to know. I'll have a look, then, again.

-thh


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