On Aug 11, 2023 at 9:51:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<mGtBM.430207$TCKc.406134@fx13.iad>:

> On 11/08/2023 17:48, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 11, 2023 at 9:46:26 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <CBtBM.430206$TCKc.115383@fx13.iad>:
>>
>>> On 11/08/2023 17:00, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Aug 11, 2023 at 8:30:23 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <jusBM.695192$GMN3.499285@fx16.iad>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/08/2023 16:09, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2023 at 6:54:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.19il8nvtmvhs6z@ryzen>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 07:59:41 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2023 at 5:54:12 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.18ifgmahmvhs6z@ryzen>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I did spot immediately when my neighbour was about to cut some drywall the
>>>>>>>>>>> wrong way to fit on a ceiling. He couldn't picture it turned over and didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> believe me until it fitted after he cut it the way I told him to.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if that type 3D rotational thinking is correlated with 3D layers?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, I think rotation just requires intelligence (my neighbour is lysdexic),
>>>>>>>>> but layers requires better short term memory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rotation might be tied to a form of intelligence... spacial intelligence or
>>>>>>>> something like that. Not sure layers require that much in terms of short term
>>>>>>>> memory, but I can see where it is more than the rotational.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know I am pretty good with both... but maybe not related at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My short term memory is about 2 registers. Makes it impossible to add numbers
>>>>>>> in my head. Not enough room for the two numbers and the result.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In testing I do well... but in day to day life not as much. Not sure what to
>>>>>> make of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah! But *YOU* can ask Siri! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> LOL! She does not remember things for me.
>>>
>>> Maybe not, but she CAN do arithmetic! :-D
>>
>> Yes she can.
>>
>>>
>>>> I do use the Notes app a lot though.
>>>
>>> Me too. Excellent facility.
>>
>> And getting better with time.
>
> I particularly like the fact that Notes is stored in the iCloud so that
> nothing is lost from there if one erases one's hard drive!
>
> VERY useful! ;-)

And you add to your phone and it is on your computer.

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On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:51:30 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:

>I particularly like the fact that Notes is stored in the iCloud so that
>nothing is lost from there if one erases one's hard drive!
>
>VERY useful! ;-)

Is that where/how you store your dossiers?

On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 18:50:00 +0100, Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:51:30 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I particularly like the fact that Notes is stored in the iCloud so that
>> nothing is lost from there if one erases one's hard drive!
>>
>> VERY useful! ;-)
>
> Is that where/how you store your dossiers?

No, the porn, so the police can't seize it.

On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 16:09:48 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 11, 2023 at 6:54:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.19il8nvtmvhs6z@ryzen>:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 07:59:41 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2023 at 5:54:12 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.18ifgmahmvhs6z@ryzen>:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I did spot immediately when my neighbour was about to cut some drywall the
>>>>>> wrong way to fit on a ceiling. He couldn't picture it turned over and didn't
>>>>>> believe me until it fitted after he cut it the way I told him to.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if that type 3D rotational thinking is correlated with 3D layers?
>>>>
>>>> No, I think rotation just requires intelligence (my neighbour is lysdexic),
>>>> but layers requires better short term memory.
>>>
>>> Rotation might be tied to a form of intelligence... spacial intelligence or
>>> something like that. Not sure layers require that much in terms of short term
>>> memory, but I can see where it is more than the rotational.
>>>
>>> I know I am pretty good with both... but maybe not related at all.
>>
>> My short term memory is about 2 registers. Makes it impossible to add numbers
>> in my head. Not enough room for the two numbers and the result.
>
> In testing I do well... but in day to day life not as much. Not sure what to
> make of that.

The tests must be unrealistic. Could you add 57 and 39 in your head? I would do.... 50+30 is 80 and 7 and 9 is 16, add the 16 to the.... I've forgotten the first bit.

On Aug 29, 2023 at 5:36:15 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.2agryp1amvhs6z@ryzen>:

> On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 16:09:48 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 11, 2023 at 6:54:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.19il8nvtmvhs6z@ryzen>:
>>
>>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 07:59:41 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 22, 2023 at 5:54:12 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.18ifgmahmvhs6z@ryzen>:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did spot immediately when my neighbour was about to cut some drywall the
>>>>>>> wrong way to fit on a ceiling. He couldn't picture it turned over and didn't
>>>>>>> believe me until it fitted after he cut it the way I told him to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if that type 3D rotational thinking is correlated with 3D layers?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I think rotation just requires intelligence (my neighbour is lysdexic),
>>>>> but layers requires better short term memory.
>>>>
>>>> Rotation might be tied to a form of intelligence... spacial intelligence or
>>>> something like that. Not sure layers require that much in terms of short term
>>>> memory, but I can see where it is more than the rotational.
>>>>
>>>> I know I am pretty good with both... but maybe not related at all.
>>>
>>> My short term memory is about 2 registers. Makes it impossible to add numbers
>>> in my head. Not enough room for the two numbers and the result.
>>
>> In testing I do well... but in day to day life not as much. Not sure what to
>> make of that.
>
> The tests must be unrealistic. Could you add 57 and 39 in your head?

Yes. 96. In my head I take one from 57 to make it 56 and add it to the 39.
Then 56+40 is easily 50+40+6.

> I would do.... 50+30 is 80 and 7 and 9 is 16, add the 16 to the.... I've
> forgotten the first bit.

I might do it that way also... but more often the way that first came to mind.

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On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 05:19:53 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 29, 2023 at 5:36:15 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.2agryp1amvhs6z@ryzen>:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 16:09:48 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2023 at 6:54:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.19il8nvtmvhs6z@ryzen>:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 07:59:41 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2023 at 5:54:12 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.18ifgmahmvhs6z@ryzen>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did spot immediately when my neighbour was about to cut some drywall the
>>>>>>>> wrong way to fit on a ceiling. He couldn't picture it turned over and didn't
>>>>>>>> believe me until it fitted after he cut it the way I told him to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder if that type 3D rotational thinking is correlated with 3D layers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I think rotation just requires intelligence (my neighbour is lysdexic),
>>>>>> but layers requires better short term memory.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rotation might be tied to a form of intelligence... spacial intelligence or
>>>>> something like that. Not sure layers require that much in terms of short term
>>>>> memory, but I can see where it is more than the rotational.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know I am pretty good with both... but maybe not related at all.
>>>>
>>>> My short term memory is about 2 registers. Makes it impossible to add numbers
>>>> in my head. Not enough room for the two numbers and the result.
>>>
>>> In testing I do well... but in day to day life not as much. Not sure what to
>>> make of that.
>>
>> The tests must be unrealistic. Could you add 57 and 39 in your head?
>
> Yes. 96. In my head I take one from 57 to make it 56 and add it to the 39.
> Then 56+40 is easily 50+40+6.

Longwinded, I just add the tens first - 50+30 is 80. Then the units - 7+9 is 16. The answer is eighty sixteen.

But I couldn't have done that if you spoke the numbers to me. I would forget one while manipulating.

So what in day to day life is difficult?

On Sep 14, 2023 at 2:34:36 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.2a88vyygmvhs6z@ryzen>:

> On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 05:19:53 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 29, 2023 at 5:36:15 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.2agryp1amvhs6z@ryzen>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 16:09:48 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 11, 2023 at 6:54:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.19il8nvtmvhs6z@ryzen>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 07:59:41 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2023 at 5:54:12 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.18ifgmahmvhs6z@ryzen>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I did spot immediately when my neighbour was about to cut some drywall the
>>>>>>>>> wrong way to fit on a ceiling. He couldn't picture it turned over and didn't
>>>>>>>>> believe me until it fitted after he cut it the way I told him to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder if that type 3D rotational thinking is correlated with 3D layers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I think rotation just requires intelligence (my neighbour is lysdexic),
>>>>>>> but layers requires better short term memory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rotation might be tied to a form of intelligence... spacial intelligence or
>>>>>> something like that. Not sure layers require that much in terms of short term
>>>>>> memory, but I can see where it is more than the rotational.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know I am pretty good with both... but maybe not related at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> My short term memory is about 2 registers. Makes it impossible to add numbers
>>>>> in my head. Not enough room for the two numbers and the result.
>>>>
>>>> In testing I do well... but in day to day life not as much. Not sure what to
>>>> make of that.
>>>
>>> The tests must be unrealistic. Could you add 57 and 39 in your head?
>>
>> Yes. 96. In my head I take one from 57 to make it 56 and add it to the 39.
>> Then 56+40 is easily 50+40+6.
>
> Longwinded, I just add the tens first - 50+30 is 80. Then the units - 7+9 is
> 16. The answer is eighty sixteen.

Each brain works differently. For me adding the 80 to the 16 would add an
extra step and make it seem too long.

>
> But I couldn't have done that if you spoke the numbers to me. I would forget
> one while manipulating.

With your method I might, too. But not with mine.

>
> So what in day to day life is difficult?

I am horrible with names, as one example.

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