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Subject: Clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS?
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Hello again.

I just clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook
G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS anywhere? Am I missing something or
can't find it like I did in its original Mac OS X v10.2? :( I had to
clean install because of my dual Linux boot setup and Mac OS X upgrade
(over v10.2.8) wasn't working. :(

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)
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Subject: Re: Clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS?
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In article <NIydnYIPK8ZOimbDnZ2dnUU7-YWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

I just clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook
G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS anywhere? Am I missing something or
can't find it like I did in its original Mac OS X v10.2? :( I had to
clean install because of my dual Linux boot setup and Mac OS X upgrade
(over v10.2.8) wasn't working. :(

classic is part of mac os x.
mac os 9 is not.


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On 2020-06-30 10:45:39 +0000, Ant said:

Hello again.

I just clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook
G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS anywhere? Am I missing something or
can't find it like I did in its original Mac OS X v10.2? :( I had to
clean install because of my dual Linux boot setup and Mac OS X upgrade
(over v10.2.8) wasn't working. :(

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

Classic mode and/or MacOS 9 booting requires a separate install of MacOS 9 from a its own install disc.



Subject: Re: Clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS?
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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <NIydnYIPK8ZOimbDnZ2dnUU7-YWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

I just clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook
G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS anywhere? Am I missing something or
can't find it like I did in its original Mac OS X v10.2? :( I had to
clean install because of my dual Linux boot setup and Mac OS X upgrade
(over v10.2.8) wasn't working. :(

classic is part of mac os x.
mac os 9 is not.

Isn't Mac OS X's Classic basically Mac OS 9?
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Subject: Re: Clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS?
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Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
On 2020-06-30 10:45:39 +0000, Ant said:

Hello again.

I just clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook
G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS anywhere? Am I missing something or
can't find it like I did in its original Mac OS X v10.2? :( I had to
clean install because of my dual Linux boot setup and Mac OS X upgrade
(over v10.2.8) wasn't working. :(

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

Classic mode and/or MacOS 9 booting requires a separate install of
MacOS 9 from a its own install disc.

Oh. Hmm.
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Subject: Re: Clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS?
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Ant wrote:
Isn't Mac OS X's Classic basically Mac OS 9?

No, 'Classic' in OS X (up to 10.4.11) is only a controlpane which controls OS 9.x when run in 'Classic Mode' under OS X.

This means that you'll need a Mac OS 9.1 or 9.2 retail CD to install OS 9.1/9.2.x. On the harddisk you then will get 3 new folders 'System', 'Applications (mac OS 9) and 'Documents'.

When you've finished the installation of Mac OS 9.1/9.2 go to 'System Preferences' in your OS X. Open 'Classic' to start OS 9.x within your OS X 10.4.x. In the controlpane 'Classic' there also should be an 'Update' button. Click on this button and the OS 9.x update app will automatically find and install needed updates for the OS 9.x. When updating has finished, click on the 'Reboot Classic' button in the 'Classic controlpane. After this just click 'Quit Classic'.

Now in the OS X controlpanes go to the pane 'Startdisc'. Open this to see whether your computer is able to boot into OS 9.x. If I recall right from your original thread, your PB should be able to boot in OS 9.x.

When you have bootet into OS 9.x you can install the OS 9.x compatible apps you want to have installed. And again restart the computer if the install app requires this.

In the OS 9.x controlpanels select 'Start Disc', select the OS X and click on the 'Restart' button. The computer will now again boot into OS X 10.4.x, and you can now again select 'Classic' in the 'systempreferences to start 'Classic' within OS X. - And - all the OS 9.x apps you've installed can now be run within 'Classic Mode' in OS X 10.4.x.

I presume that you've installed OS X from a DVD and not the 4-disc CD set? If you could find such a 4-disc CD set, you will also get a full Mac OS 9.1.0 installer on disc 4. On the CD set there are some utility apps that isn't on a retail OS 9.1 or 9.2. - I don't have my set at hand so I can't tell/remember these tool applications...

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Subject: Re: Clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS?
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In article <rdgl5h$slr$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid>
wrote:

Isn't Mac OS X's Classic basically Mac OS 9?

No, 'Classic' in OS X (up to 10.4.11) is only a controlpane which
controls OS 9.x when run in 'Classic Mode' under OS X.

classic is much, much more than a control pane.

the control pane, as you call it, is what's used to configure classic.


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In article <Zc-dnegeR_B5TGbDnZ2dnUU7-emdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

I just clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook
G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS anywhere? Am I missing something or
can't find it like I did in its original Mac OS X v10.2? :( I had to
clean install because of my dual Linux boot setup and Mac OS X upgrade
(over v10.2.8) wasn't working. :(

classic is part of mac os x.
mac os 9 is not.

Isn't Mac OS X's Classic basically Mac OS 9?

no.

classic, aka blue box, was a feature of early versions of mac os x and
what allowed it to boot and run mac os 9.

what makes it confusing is that mac system 0 through mac os 9 are known
as classic mac os.

adding to the confusion is classic (the feature) does nothing unless
mac os 9 is used to run old apps.

macs from that era usually shipped with both mac os 9 and mac os x, so
people just assumed it was a package deal, but in reality, you got two
different oses with the mac.

typically, mac os 9 and mac os x were installed on separate partitions,
but that was only needed if dual-booting was required.


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On 2020-07-01, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <Zc-dnegeR_B5TGbDnZ2dnUU7-emdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

I just clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook
G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS anywhere? Am I missing something or
can't find it like I did in its original Mac OS X v10.2? :( I had to
clean install because of my dual Linux boot setup and Mac OS X upgrade
(over v10.2.8) wasn't working. :(

classic is part of mac os x.
mac os 9 is not.

Isn't Mac OS X's Classic basically Mac OS 9?

no.

classic, aka blue box, was a feature of early versions of mac os x and
what allowed it to boot and run mac os 9.

what makes it confusing is that mac system 0 through mac os 9 are known
as classic mac os.

adding to the confusion is classic (the feature) does nothing unless
mac os 9 is used to run old apps.

macs from that era usually shipped with both mac os 9 and mac os x, so
people just assumed it was a package deal, but in reality, you got two
different oses with the mac.

typically, mac os 9 and mac os x were installed on separate partitions,
but that was only needed if dual-booting was required.

Usually installed both on the same drive, but I wasn't interested in
dual booting.

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typically, mac os 9 and mac os x were installed on separate partitions,
but that was only needed if dual-booting was required.

Usually installed both on the same drive, but I wasn't interested in
dual booting.

i used to put 9 on a .dmg, which kept everything clean. mac os x was
smart enough to automount the dmg when needed. whenever there was an
update to mac os x, all i needed to do was copy the dmg.


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On 2020-06-30 23:59:55 +0000, Ant said:
Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
On 2020-06-30 10:45:39 +0000, Ant said:

Hello again.

I just clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook
G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS anywhere? Am I missing something or
can't find it like I did in its original Mac OS X v10.2? :( I had to
clean install because of my dual Linux boot setup and Mac OS X upgrade
(over v10.2.8) wasn't working. :(

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

Classic mode and/or MacOS 9 booting requires a separate install of
MacOS 9 from a its own install disc.

Oh. Hmm.

Similar to running Windows in Parallels Desktop or VMWare Fusion on an Intel Mac, "Classic" mode is really a virtualisation of the older MacOS, so you need to have an install of MacOS 9 for "Classic" to work.

Whenever you first run an old app after booting in MacOS X, you'll get a window that shows MacOS 9 booting, including the march of the control panel icons across the bottom if you make the window bigger. You can also start and shutdown / reboot "Classic" via the MacOS X System Preference pane or set "Classic" start automatically when MacOS X boots.



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ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:

Ant wrote:
Isn't Mac OS X's Classic basically Mac OS 9?

No, 'Classic' in OS X (up to 10.4.11) is only a controlpane which
controls OS 9.x when run in 'Classic Mode' under OS X.

So, like Mac OS X v10.2 that came with this old 2002 PowerBook G4.


This means that you'll need a Mac OS 9.1 or 9.2 retail CD to install OS
9.1/9.2.x. On the harddisk you then will get 3 new folders 'System',
'Applications (mac OS 9) and 'Documents'.

Uh, did PB G4's Mac OS X v10.2 come with that in its DVD installer or is
that something else? I remember seeing its classic after installing v10.2.


When you've finished the installation of Mac OS 9.1/9.2 go to 'System
Preferences' in your OS X. Open 'Classic' to start OS 9.x within your OS
X 10.4.x. In the controlpane 'Classic' there also should be an 'Update'
button. Click on this button and the OS 9.x update app will
automatically find and install needed updates for the OS 9.x. When
updating has finished, click on the 'Reboot Classic' button in the
'Classic controlpane. After this just click 'Quit Classic'.

Now in the OS X controlpanes go to the pane 'Startdisc'. Open this to
see whether your computer is able to boot into OS 9.x. If I recall right
from your original thread, your PB should be able to boot in OS 9.x.

When you have bootet into OS 9.x you can install the OS 9.x compatible
apps you want to have installed. And again restart the computer if the
install app requires this.

In the OS 9.x controlpanels select 'Start Disc', select the OS X and
click on the 'Restart' button. The computer will now again boot into OS
X 10.4.x, and you can now again select 'Classic' in the
'systempreferences to start 'Classic' within OS X. - And - all the OS
9.x apps you've installed can now be run within 'Classic Mode' in OS X
10.4.x.

Sounds like the same way with v10.2.


I presume that you've installed OS X from a DVD and not the 4-disc CD
set? If you could find such a 4-disc CD set, you will also get a full
Mac OS 9.1.0 installer on disc 4. On the CD set there are some utility
apps that isn't on a retail OS 9.1 or 9.2. - I don't have my set at hand
so I can't tell/remember these tool applications...

I have and installed from the four CDs from http://macintoshgarden.org:
https://macintoshgarden.org/sites/macintoshgarden.org/files/apps/Tiger_CD1.toast_.zip
http://mirror.macintosharchive.org/macintoshgarden.org/files/apps/Tiger_CD2.toast_.zip
http://mirror.macintosharchive.org/macintoshgarden.org/files/apps/Tiger_CD3.toast_.zip
http://mirror.macintosharchive.org/macintoshgarden.org/files/apps/Tiger_CD4.toast_.zip
I guess I will have to install Mac OS 9.1.0 installer from its disc #4 then later.
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Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
On 2020-06-30 23:59:55 +0000, Ant said:
Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
On 2020-06-30 10:45:39 +0000, Ant said:

Hello again.

I just clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook
G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS anywhere? Am I missing something or
can't find it like I did in its original Mac OS X v10.2? :( I had to
clean install because of my dual Linux boot setup and Mac OS X upgrade
(over v10.2.8) wasn't working. :(

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

Classic mode and/or MacOS 9 booting requires a separate install of
MacOS 9 from a its own install disc.

Oh. Hmm.

Similar to running Windows in Parallels Desktop or VMWare Fusion on an
Intel Mac, "Classic" mode is really a virtualisation of the older
MacOS, so you need to have an install of MacOS 9 for "Classic" to work.

Whenever you first run an old app after booting in MacOS X, you'll get
a window that shows MacOS 9 booting, including the march of the control
panel icons across the bottom if you make the window bigger. You can
also start and shutdown / reboot "Classic" via the MacOS X System
Preference pane or set "Classic" start automatically when MacOS X boots.

Interesting. I don't recall v10.2.8 doing that but that was like 18
years ago!

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On 2020-07-01 09:50:56 +0000, Ant said:
Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
On 2020-06-30 23:59:55 +0000, Ant said:
Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
On 2020-06-30 10:45:39 +0000, Ant said:

Hello again.

I just clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook
G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS anywhere? Am I missing something or
can't find it like I did in its original Mac OS X v10.2? :( I had to
clean install because of my dual Linux boot setup and Mac OS X upgrade
(over v10.2.8) wasn't working. :(

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

Classic mode and/or MacOS 9 booting requires a separate install of
MacOS 9 from a its own install disc.

Oh. Hmm.

Similar to running Windows in Parallels Desktop or VMWare Fusion on an
Intel Mac, "Classic" mode is really a virtualisation of the older
MacOS, so you need to have an install of MacOS 9 for "Classic" to work.

Whenever you first run an old app after booting in MacOS X, you'll get
a window that shows MacOS 9 booting, including the march of the control
panel icons across the bottom if you make the window bigger. You can
also start and shutdown / reboot "Classic" via the MacOS X System
Preference pane or set "Classic" start automatically when MacOS X boots.

Interesting. I don't recall v10.2.8 doing that but that was like 18
years ago!

"Classic" has always done that. You won't have seen the march of the incons unless you clicked on the little disclosure triangle near the top, but it looked like this (except in colour of course):

https://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/chap3_0735713480/elementLinks/03fig06.jpg With the disclosure triangle closed, you only saw the top strip and progress bar.



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Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:

I just clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook
G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS anywhere? Am I missing something or
can't find it like I did in its original Mac OS X v10.2? :( I had to
clean install because of my dual Linux boot setup and Mac OS X upgrade
(over v10.2.8) wasn't working. :(

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

Classic mode and/or MacOS 9 booting requires a separate install of
MacOS 9 from a its own install disc.

Hmm, I guess I will reinstall its original v10.2 that came with classic
and then retry upgrade to v10.4 to keep its classic. :(
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On 2020-07-02 09:46:48 +0000, Ant said:
Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:

I just clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook
G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS anywhere? Am I missing something or
can't find it like I did in its original Mac OS X v10.2? :( I had to
clean install because of my dual Linux boot setup and Mac OS X upgrade
(over v10.2.8) wasn't working. :(

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

Classic mode and/or MacOS 9 booting requires a separate install of
MacOS 9 from a its own install disc.

Hmm, I guess I will reinstall its original v10.2 that came with classic

MacOS X 10.2 didn't come with MacOS 9 built-in either. It's always been a optional install from a separate disc (although if you have a DVD install disc, it may include all the separate CD dsics on the same media).

I can't remember if the Classic system preference pane is always there, but it is simply non-functional without MacOS 9 installed separately.



and then retry upgrade to v10.4 to keep its classic. :(

Or just install MacOS 9.2 from its own install disc.

Of course, having two versions of MacOS installed does require a lot more hard drive space. It also uses up more RAM when Classic is running.



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Updates: I finally got them set up. I told PB G4's bootable system
restore DVD to clean install and include Mac OS 9 disk drivers on the
two splitted partitions I made from a single internal original HDD.
Installed Mac OS X wouldn't let me activate its classic 9 since it can't
find its classic system folder.

I found out I still had to run its DVD inside the booted OS X Jaguar
v10.2.1 for its "Install Applications & Mac OS 9". Now, I have its Mac
OS 9. It had been so long since I did this! It was trippy to boot into
its classic and so fast, but ugly. I don't remember it having iTunes!
Woah.

I also upgraded OS X to Tiger v10.4. I just need to update and test both
OSes. :D


Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
Hello again.

I just clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook
G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS anywhere? Am I missing something or
can't find it like I did in its original Mac OS X v10.2? :( I had to
clean install because of my dual Linux boot setup and Mac OS X upgrade
(over v10.2.8) wasn't working. :(

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)
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Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
On 2020-07-02 09:46:48 +0000, Ant said:
Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:

I just clean installed a brand new Mac OS X Tiger v10.4 into a PowerBook
G4, but don't see its classic Mac OS anywhere? Am I missing something or
can't find it like I did in its original Mac OS X v10.2? :( I had to
clean install because of my dual Linux boot setup and Mac OS X upgrade
(over v10.2.8) wasn't working. :(

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

Classic mode and/or MacOS 9 booting requires a separate install of
MacOS 9 from a its own install disc.

Hmm, I guess I will reinstall its original v10.2 that came with classic

MacOS X 10.2 didn't come with MacOS 9 built-in either. It's always been
a optional install from a separate disc (although if you have a DVD
install disc, it may include all the separate CD dsics on the same
media).

It came with the original DVD. I didn't do anything when I did a clean install to
dual boot with Linux. It installed both Mac OS v10.2 and its classic. :/


I can't remember if the Classic system preference pane is always there,
but it is simply non-functional without MacOS 9 installed separately.

According to my PowerBook G4's clean DVD installation a few years ago, it did.


and then retry upgrade to v10.4 to keep its classic. :(

Or just install MacOS 9.2 from its own install disc.

Only if I had it.


Of course, having two versions of MacOS installed does require a lot
more hard drive space. It also uses up more RAM when Classic is running.

Yeah, I don't mind. I am just keeping this old PB G4 simple. Nothing fancy. It
will be for fun and nostalgia. ;)
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