So, time to move to the community license and to VSI VMS on Alpha to
tide me over until x86 on bare metal is available.

Has anyone successfully submitted the community-license request form
from an iPad? :-)

At the latest when I have the license, I'll see what version of VSI VMS
I should install. I recall some issues about a) only _relatively_ new
hardware being supported by some version(s) and b) only a fresh install
(as opposed to upgrade) supported by some (possibly other) version(s).

What do folks here with experience suggest?

On 2021-10-25, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
> So, time to move to the community license and to VSI VMS on Alpha to
> tide me over until x86 on bare metal is available.
>
> Has anyone successfully submitted the community-license request form
> from an iPad? :-)
>

What error message did you get when you tried it ?

Simon.

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In article <sl66eu$bai$1@dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley
<clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:

> On 2021-10-25, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
> > So, time to move to the community license and to VSI VMS on Alpha to
> > tide me over until x86 on bare metal is available.
> >
> > Has anyone successfully submitted the community-license request form
> > from an iPad? :-)
> >
>
> What error message did you get when you tried it ?

None, but I got the spinning-wheel waiting symbol for probably less than
a second, and no message that it had been successfully submitted.

Will try later from my wife's MacBook.

I don't think that one can submit the form from VMS (maybe if I update
LYNX, but I don't know).

On 25/10/2021 14:16, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> In article <sl66eu$bai$1@dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley
> <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:
>
>> On 2021-10-25, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
>>> So, time to move to the community license and to VSI VMS on Alpha to
>>> tide me over until x86 on bare metal is available.
>>>
>>> Has anyone successfully submitted the community-license request form
>>> from an iPad? :-)
>>>
>>
>> What error message did you get when you tried it ?
>
> None, but I got the spinning-wheel waiting symbol for probably less than
> a second, and no message that it had been successfully submitted.
>
> Will try later from my wife's MacBook.
>
> I don't think that one can submit the form from VMS (maybe if I update
> LYNX, but I don't know).
>

Was that with the built in browser?

Try loading and using Chrome on the iPad

--
Chris

In article <sl6deg$ud8$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley
<news@cct-net.co.uk> writes:

> >>> Has anyone successfully submitted the community-license request form
> >>> from an iPad? :-)
> >>
> >> What error message did you get when you tried it ?
> >
> > None, but I got the spinning-wheel waiting symbol for probably less than
> > a second, and no message that it had been successfully submitted.

> Was that with the built in browser?

Yes, with Safari.

> Try loading and using Chrome on the iPad

I had loaded Chrome before, but haven't used it much. Now I remember
why: it asks me for EVERY PAGE if I want it to be translated. Yes, that
can probably be configured, but the main goal of all software should be
SENSIBLE DEFAULTS.

OK. Exactly the same behaviour.

Lynx actually does forms rather well, but the page in Lynx says that the
form has already been submitted, and has ALT tags "Spinner" for the
wheels mentioned above. :-(

On 25/10/2021 15:21, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> In article <sl6deg$ud8$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley
> <news@cct-net.co.uk> writes:
>
>>>>> Has anyone successfully submitted the community-license request form
>>>>> from an iPad? :-)
>>>>
>>>> What error message did you get when you tried it ?
>>>
>>> None, but I got the spinning-wheel waiting symbol for probably less than
>>> a second, and no message that it had been successfully submitted.
>
>> Was that with the built in browser?
>
> Yes, with Safari.
>
>> Try loading and using Chrome on the iPad
>
> I had loaded Chrome before, but haven't used it much. Now I remember
> why: it asks me for EVERY PAGE if I want it to be translated. Yes, that
> can probably be configured, but the main goal of all software should be
> SENSIBLE DEFAULTS.
>
> OK. Exactly the same behaviour.
>
> Lynx actually does forms rather well, but the page in Lynx says that the
> form has already been submitted, and has ALT tags "Spinner" for the
> wheels mentioned above. :-(
>

Might be you are blocking pop ups - see if that helps. Otherwise try
again with Chrome, but in an incognito windows - that has helped me before

--
Chris

On 10/25/2021 6:22 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> So, time to move to the community license and to VSI VMS on Alpha to
> tide me over until x86 on bare metal is available.

Have a nice wait ...

> Has anyone successfully submitted the community-license request form
> from an iPad? :-)
>
> At the latest when I have the license, I'll see what version of VSI VMS
> I should install. I recall some issues about a) only _relatively_ new
> hardware being supported by some version(s) and b) only a fresh install
> (as opposed to upgrade) supported by some (possibly other) version(s).

For Alpha, I believe only V8.4 2L1 and V8.4 2L2 have been released by VSI.
There might be a good chance that VSI will not release any more Alpha
versions. (They didn't really plan on any Alpha versions.)

Both are identical code. 2L2 is compiled to use EV6 capabilities. While
there is a performance advantage, would a hobbyist really see much advantage?
Probably not. For pre-EV6 CPUs, 2L1 is your only option.

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Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
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Vanderbilt, PA 15486

On 25/10/2021 16:11, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 10/25/2021 6:22 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>> So, time to move to the community license and to VSI VMS on Alpha to
>> tide me over until x86 on bare metal is available.
>
> Have a nice wait ...
>
>> Has anyone successfully submitted the community-license request form
>> from an iPad?  :-)
>>
>> At the latest when I have the license, I'll see what version of VSI VMS
>> I should install.  I recall some issues about a) only _relatively_ new
>> hardware being supported by some version(s) and b) only a fresh install
>> (as opposed to upgrade) supported by some (possibly other) version(s).
>
> For Alpha, I believe only V8.4 2L1 and V8.4 2L2 have been released by VSI.
> There might be a good chance that VSI will not release any more Alpha
> versions.  (They didn't really plan on any Alpha versions.)
>
> Both are identical code.  2L2 is compiled to use EV6 capabilities.  While
> there is a performance advantage, would a hobbyist really see much
> advantage?
> Probably not.  For pre-EV6 CPUs, 2L1 is your only option.
>

I believe V8.4 2L2 is not available to hobbyists

--
Chris

On 10/25/2021 12:06 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
> On 25/10/2021 16:11, Dave Froble wrote:
>> On 10/25/2021 6:22 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>>> So, time to move to the community license and to VSI VMS on Alpha to
>>> tide me over until x86 on bare metal is available.
>>
>> Have a nice wait ...
>>
>>> Has anyone successfully submitted the community-license request form
>>> from an iPad? :-)
>>>
>>> At the latest when I have the license, I'll see what version of VSI VMS
>>> I should install. I recall some issues about a) only _relatively_ new
>>> hardware being supported by some version(s) and b) only a fresh install
>>> (as opposed to upgrade) supported by some (possibly other) version(s).
>>
>> For Alpha, I believe only V8.4 2L1 and V8.4 2L2 have been released by VSI.
>> There might be a good chance that VSI will not release any more Alpha
>> versions. (They didn't really plan on any Alpha versions.)
>>
>> Both are identical code. 2L2 is compiled to use EV6 capabilities. While
>> there is a performance advantage, would a hobbyist really see much advantage?
>> Probably not. For pre-EV6 CPUs, 2L1 is your only option.
>>
>
> I believe V8.4 2L2 is not available to hobbyists
>

It is not needed ...

I've got it ...

:-)

I'm not a hobbyist ...

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David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

In article <sl6hgc$voq$1@dont-email.me>, Dave Froble
<davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:

> For Alpha, I believe only V8.4 2L1 and V8.4 2L2 have been released by VSI.
> There might be a good chance that VSI will not release any more Alpha
> versions. (They didn't really plan on any Alpha versions.)

Yes they did, because they said a) that a mixed Alpha/x86 cluster would
be offered and b) that that VMS on Alpha would have to be from VSI.
That was in the very first announcement in the conference call.

> Both are identical code. 2L2 is compiled to use EV6 capabilities. While
> there is a performance advantage, would a hobbyist really see much advantage?
> Probably not. For pre-EV6 CPUs, 2L1 is your only option.

I have all CPUs, but some EV56 still in use. I don't really care about
the advantage at this point, especially since there is an EV6 in the
cluster if I need it. The more important issue is fresh install vs.
upgrade.

On 10/25/2021 3:50 PM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> In article <sl6hgc$voq$1@dont-email.me>, Dave Froble
> <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:
>
>> For Alpha, I believe only V8.4 2L1 and V8.4 2L2 have been released by VSI.
>> There might be a good chance that VSI will not release any more Alpha
>> versions. (They didn't really plan on any Alpha versions.)
>
> Yes they did, because they said a) that a mixed Alpha/x86 cluster would
> be offered and b) that that VMS on Alpha would have to be from VSI.
> That was in the very first announcement in the conference call.

That might have been a patch they intended. Doesn't matter, it now exists.

>> Both are identical code. 2L2 is compiled to use EV6 capabilities. While
>> there is a performance advantage, would a hobbyist really see much advantage?
>> Probably not. For pre-EV6 CPUs, 2L1 is your only option.
>
> I have all CPUs, but some EV56 still in use. I don't really care about
> the advantage at this point, especially since there is an EV6 in the
> cluster if I need it. The more important issue is fresh install vs.
> upgrade.
>

I would seriously suggest a fresh install. There might be some old cruff
around that might cause problems.

Installing VMS is trivial.

Adding in site customizations takes more effort.

--
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Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

On 25/10/2021 15:02, Chris Townley wrote:
> On 25/10/2021 14:16, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>> In article <sl66eu$bai$1@dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley
>> <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:
>>
>>> On 2021-10-25, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
>>> <helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
>>>> So, time to move to the community license and to VSI VMS on Alpha to
>>>> tide me over until x86 on bare metal is available.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone successfully submitted the community-license request form
>>>> from an iPad?  :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> What error message did you get when you tried it ?
>>
>> None, but I got the spinning-wheel waiting symbol for probably less than
>> a second, and no message that it had been successfully submitted.
>>
>> Will try later from my wife's MacBook.
>>
>> I don't think that one can submit the form from VMS (maybe if I update
>> LYNX, but I don't know).
>>
>
> Was that with the built in browser?
>
> Try loading and using Chrome on the iPad
>
Its pretty pointless loading Chrome on an iPad. Apple T&Cs mean it uses
the same underlying rendering engine that Safari does...

https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/22/safari_risks_becoming_the_new_ie/

and so has the same bugs...

Dave