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* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJulien ÉLIE
+- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupThomas Hochstein
`* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJulien ÉLIE
 +* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJesse Rehmer
 |`* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupRuss Allbery
 | `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupNigel Reed
 |  `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupThomas Hochstein
 |   `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJesse Rehmer
 |    `- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupNigel Reed
 `- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupThomas Hochstein

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Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup

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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien ÉLIE)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 11:56 UTC

Hi Nigel,

Adding news.admin.hierarchies in the discussion because it may be time
to generate new PGP keys for still active hierarchies.

>> You can download:
>>
>> https://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/PGPKEYS
>>
>> and just run gpg --import on it.
>
> Doh, totally missed that bit right at the end. Is it expected that most
> of the keys wont import?
>
>
> gpg: Total number processed: 103
> gpg: skipped PGP-2 keys: 87
> gpg: imported: 16

The 16 keys still recognized by current GnuPG releases are the ones of
the Big-Eight, aioe, bofh, fr, grisbi, hacktic, hr, ie, mensa,
microsoft, pbinfo, perl, pgsql, sfnet, szaf, us.

belwue, bln, de, ffm, fido7, hun, it, ka, linux, openwatcom, uk and
z-netz have sent control articles these last 10 years, and still have
PGP-2 keys...

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Quoi de plus inhumain qu'un sacrifice humain ? » (Alphonse Allais)

Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup

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From: thh...@thh.name (Thomas Hochstein)
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Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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 by: Thomas Hochstein - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 21:01 UTC

Julien ÉLIE schrieb:

> Adding news.admin.hierarchies in the discussion because it may be time
> to generate new PGP keys for still active hierarchies.

Still on the ever-growing todo list ...

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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien ÉLIE)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 21:28 UTC

Just a ping :-)
Finding a packaged old version of GnuPG to verify old keys will be more
and more difficult year by year...

>> Is it expected that most of the keys wont import?
>>
>>
>> gpg: Total number processed: 103
>> gpg:     skipped PGP-2 keys: 87
>> gpg:               imported: 16
>
> The 16 keys still recognized by current GnuPG releases are the ones of
> the Big-Eight, aioe, bofh, fr, grisbi, hacktic, hr, ie, mensa,
> microsoft, pbinfo, perl, pgsql, sfnet, szaf, us.
>
> belwue, bln, de, ffm, fido7, hun, it, ka, linux, openwatcom, uk and
> z-netz have sent control articles these last 10 years, and still have
> PGP-2 keys...

I hope hierarchy administrators will manage to find a bit of time; news
admins will be grateful for that :-)

--
Julien ÉLIE

« – Hou hou !
– Ouille, ouille !
– Ouf !
– Où ouf ? » (Astérix)

Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup

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Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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 by: Jesse Rehmer - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 22:36 UTC

On 6/1/22 4:28 PM, Julien ÉLIE wrote:

>> The 16 keys still recognized by current GnuPG releases are the ones of
>> the Big-Eight, aioe, bofh, fr, grisbi, hacktic, hr, ie, mensa,
>> microsoft, pbinfo, perl, pgsql, sfnet, szaf, us.

Does https://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/PGPKEYS need updating? You
mention newer keys for Big-Eight, aioe, and others, but I only see the
old key after importing:

[news@spool1 ~/src]$ gpg --list-keys --homedir=/usr/local/news/etc/pgp
news.announce.newgroups
pub 1024R/B88DA9C1 1996-04-10
uid news.announce.newgroups

Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup

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From: thh...@thh.name (Thomas Hochstein)
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Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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 by: Thomas Hochstein - Fri, 3 Jun 2022 17:15 UTC

Julien ÉLIE schrieb:

> Just a ping :-)
> Finding a packaged old version of GnuPG to verify old keys will be more
> and more difficult year by year...

Yep. <https://lists.debian.org/debian-qa/2022/04/msg00008.html>

> I hope hierarchy administrators will manage to find a bit of time; news
> admins will be grateful for that :-)

Still on the to-do list ...

-thh

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From: eag...@eyrie.org (Russ Allbery)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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 by: Russ Allbery - Sat, 11 Jun 2022 23:38 UTC

Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> writes:

> Does https://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/PGPKEYS need updating? You
> mention newer keys for Big-Eight, aioe, and others, but I only see the
> old key after importing:

> [news@spool1 ~/src]$ gpg --list-keys --homedir=/usr/local/news/etc/pgp
> news.announce.newgroups
> pub 1024R/B88DA9C1 1996-04-10
> uid news.announce.newgroups

Yeah, sorry, this has been on my list for forever and I kept forgetting to
do it. I've updated the source for ftp.isc.org and hopefully it should
update in the next few days.

--
Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Please post questions rather than mailing me directly.
<https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/questions.html> explains why.

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Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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 by: Nigel Reed - Sun, 12 Jun 2022 09:41 UTC

On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:38:32 -0700
Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:

> Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> writes:
>
> > Does https://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/PGPKEYS need updating? You
> > mention newer keys for Big-Eight, aioe, and others, but I only see
> > the old key after importing:
>
> > [news@spool1 ~/src]$ gpg --list-keys
> > --homedir=/usr/local/news/etc/pgp news.announce.newgroups
> > pub 1024R/B88DA9C1 1996-04-10
> > uid news.announce.newgroups
>
> Yeah, sorry, this has been on my list for forever and I kept
> forgetting to do it. I've updated the source for ftp.isc.org and
> hopefully it should update in the next few days.

When I try to import those keys I get a lot of

gpg: skipped PGP-2 keys:

messages. Is there a workaround before I go searching? A quick look
didn't give anything overly useful.

Thanks,

--
End Of The Line BBS - Plano, TX
telnet endofthelinebbs.com 23

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 by: Thomas Hochstein - Sun, 12 Jun 2022 10:34 UTC

Nigel Reed wrote:

> When I try to import those keys I get a lot of
>
>
> gpg: skipped PGP-2 keys:
>
> messages.

Do you use gpg1 (i.e. 1.x) or gpg2 (i.e. 2.x)?

GnuPG 2.1.18 and newer won't import those keys; you'll need to use GnuPG
1.x (and gpg, not gpgv for verification).

-thh

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Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:02:20 -0500
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 by: Jesse Rehmer - Sun, 12 Jun 2022 21:02 UTC

On 6/12/22 5:34 AM, Thomas Hochstein wrote:
> Nigel Reed wrote:
>
>> When I try to import those keys I get a lot of
>>
>>
>> gpg: skipped PGP-2 keys:
>>
>> messages.
>
> Do you use gpg1 (i.e. 1.x) or gpg2 (i.e. 2.x)?
>
> GnuPG 2.1.18 and newer won't import those keys; you'll need to use GnuPG
> 1.x (and gpg, not gpgv for verification).
>
> -thh

You could mess around trying to get a version of GnuPG 2.x working, but
in the end I also found the path of least resistance to be using GnuPG
1.4.x. Not ideal, but covers the most keys still in use on Usenet.

Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup

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From: sys...@endofthelinebbs.com (Nigel Reed)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 23:33:02 -0700
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 by: Nigel Reed - Mon, 13 Jun 2022 06:33 UTC

On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:02:20 -0500
Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> wrote:

> On 6/12/22 5:34 AM, Thomas Hochstein wrote:
> > Nigel Reed wrote:
> >
> >> When I try to import those keys I get a lot of
> >>
> >>
> >> gpg: skipped PGP-2 keys:
> >>
> >> messages.
> >
> > Do you use gpg1 (i.e. 1.x) or gpg2 (i.e. 2.x)?
> >
> > GnuPG 2.1.18 and newer won't import those keys; you'll need to use
> > GnuPG 1.x (and gpg, not gpgv for verification).
> >
> > -thh
>
> You could mess around trying to get a version of GnuPG 2.x working,
> but in the end I also found the path of least resistance to be using
> GnuPG 1.4.x. Not ideal, but covers the most keys still in use on
> Usenet.

That's about the conclusion I had come to. Thanks for confirming. I'll
go install gpg1.

Thanks,
Nigel

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