https://www.macworld.com/article/1359786/apple-breakfast-slow-death-of-the-ipad.html
The slow death of the iPad is Apple's own doing

If you look at the top numbers, Apple appears to have had another
record-busting quarter. But even the most flourishing gardens have weeds,
and (at risk of mixing my metaphors) the most obvious fly in Apple's Q4
ointment was the performance of the iPad.

Whereas the iPhone and Wearables were each up 10 percent, the Mac was up 25
percent, and even Services managed 5 percent growth on the equivalent
quarter last year, the iPad was down by an ominous 13 percent.

It's not a one-off, either. The iPad was down in Q3 as well, and in Q2, and
in Q1.

That's a hole in Apple's finances worth a little over a billion dollars...
which is probably less damaging for the company than it sounds but remains
a worry.

The iPad was supposed to be the answer to the post-PC conundrum.

And to the changing face of smartphones, which at one stage were growing so
large so quickly that they spawned a new category called the phablet. And
to the changing reality of working on the move, which everyone assumed
would have left the laptop behind years ago.

The fact that consumers don't, in fact, want to trade in their laptops and
phones for a single converged device isn't Apple's fault, and with the
benefit of hindsight, we can see that the iPad was never really destined to
take the iPhone's place as the company's revenue leader, as Apple evidently
hoped it would.

Most of us want something bigger than a tablet for working on, and
something more portable for carrying around in our pockets.

Caught in between, the tablet is regarded by most customers as a
lightweight content delivery machine you grab to watch Netflix, surf the
web, or play a few games.

The market for the iPad as a core device, as a work device, was never as
big as the company thought.

In article <tjr7rl$2j781$1@paganini.bofh.team>, NewsKrawler
<newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:

>
> The slow death of the iPad is Apple's own doing

fluctuating sales is not evidence it's dying.

NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
> https://www.macworld.com/article/1359786/apple-breakfast-slow-death-of-the-ipad.html
> The slow death of the iPad is Apple's own doing

Are you now “OpinionKrawler”? 🙄

On 2022-11-01, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
> NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
>> https://www.macworld.com/article/1359786/apple-breakfast-slow-death-of-the-ipad.html
>> The slow death of the iPad is Apple's own doing
>
> Are you now “OpinionKrawler”? 🙄

Always has been. Just look at the news he chooses to post here compared
with the news he never posts here and you'll see the trend. ; )

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-11-01, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
>> NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
>>> https://www.macworld.com/article/1359786/apple-breakfast-slow-death-of-the-ipad.html
>>> The slow death of the iPad is Apple's own doing
>>
>> Are you now “OpinionKrawler”? 🙄
>
> Always has been. Just look at the news he chooses to post here compared
> with the news he never posts here and you'll see the trend. ; )
>
NewsKrawler tends toward the critical stuff, but is no Arlen.

NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> Most of us want something bigger than a tablet for working on, and
> something more portable for carrying around in our pockets.
>
> Caught in between, the tablet is regarded by most customers as a
> lightweight content delivery machine you grab to watch Netflix, surf the
> web, or play a few games.
>
I like it for the screen real estate of course. I read books and pdfs on it
and it’s less constraining than the phone. Pdfs are almost impossible on
the phone. Video is better too. I have streamed F1 with both live racetrack
and several driver cockpit views going at the same time with ipad, phones,
and tv. That’s an experience!

On 2022-11-05, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-11-01, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
>>> NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
>>>> The slow death of the iPad is Apple's own doing
>>>
>>> Are you now “OpinionKrawler”? 🙄
>>
>> Always has been. Just look at the news he chooses to post here
>> compared with the news he never posts here and you'll see the trend.
>> ; )
>>
> NewsKrawler tends toward the critical stuff

Yup, he's always low key trolling. ; )

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On 2022-11-05 03:02:52 +0000, *Hemidactylus* said:
> NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
>>
> [snip]
>>
>> Most of us want something bigger than a tablet for working on, and
>> something more portable for carrying around in our pockets.
>>
>> Caught in between, the tablet is regarded by most customers as a
>> lightweight content delivery machine you grab to watch Netflix, surf the
>> web, or play a few games.
>
> I like it for the screen real estate of course. I read books and pdfs on it
> and it's less constraining than the phone. Pdfs are almost impossible on
> the phone. Video is better too. I have streamed F1 with both live racetrack
> and several driver cockpit views going at the same time with ipad, phones,
> and tv. That's an experience!

There are rumours of Apple working on two new iPad products:

- a 16" iPad to supposedly be released in 2023
<https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/26/16-inch-ipad-next-year-report/>

and

- a foldable iPad (usable as a "small" screen and open
out to double the size) in 2024
<https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/18/foldable-ipad-2024-analyst/>

The problam is, as said above, the iPad is really only any use as a
"content delivery" device and simple tasks. Trying to do any real work
on it is just a massive exercise in frustration, so an iPad / tablet
will never be a good replacemeant for a proper computer.

On 05/11/2022 06:12, Your Name wrote:
> The problam is, as said above, the iPad is really only any use as a
> "content delivery" device and simple tasks. Trying to do any real work
> on it is just a massive exercise in frustration, so an iPad / tablet
> will never be a good replacemeant for a proper computer.

Yes, quite.
What about if you could add a keyboard and touchpad?
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In article <tk56df$2ak14$1@dont-email.me>, David Taylor
<david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

> On 05/11/2022 06:12, Your Name wrote:
> > The problam is, as said above, the iPad is really only any use as a
> > "content delivery" device and simple tasks. Trying to do any real work
> > on it is just a massive exercise in frustration, so an iPad / tablet
> > will never be a good replacemeant for a proper computer.
>
> Yes, quite.

no, not quite at all. those who don't actually have ipads, including
'your name', believe such myths.

the reality is that people use ipads for much more than 'content
delivery', using all sorts of very capable apps.

> What about if you could add a keyboard and touchpad?

what about it? there have been such keyboards with trackpads for years.

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2022-11-05 03:02:52 +0000, *Hemidactylus* said:
>> NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
>>>
>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Most of us want something bigger than a tablet for working on, and
>>> something more portable for carrying around in our pockets.
>>>
>>> Caught in between, the tablet is regarded by most customers as a
>>> lightweight content delivery machine you grab to watch Netflix, surf the
>>> web, or play a few games.
>>
>> I like it for the screen real estate of course. I read books and pdfs on it
>> and it's less constraining than the phone. Pdfs are almost impossible on
>> the phone. Video is better too. I have streamed F1 with both live racetrack
>> and several driver cockpit views going at the same time with ipad, phones,
>> and tv. That's an experience!
>
> There are rumours of Apple working on two new iPad products:
>
> - a 16" iPad to supposedly be released in 2023
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/26/16-inch-ipad-next-year-report/>
>
> and
>
> - a foldable iPad (usable as a "small" screen and open
> out to double the size) in 2024
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/18/foldable-ipad-2024-analyst/>
>
>
> The problam is, as said above, the iPad is really only any use as a
> "content delivery" device and simple tasks. Trying to do any real work
> on it is just a massive exercise in frustration, so an iPad / tablet
> will never be a good replacemeant for a proper computer.
>
>
I do word processing on it and from there convert some stuff to pdf and
epub.

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> The problam is, as said above, the iPad is really only any use as a
> "content delivery" device and simple tasks. Trying to do any real work
> on it is just a massive exercise in frustration, so an iPad / tablet
> will never be a good replacemeant for a proper computer.

Gotta LOL at “proper computer”.

An iPad is more computer than most people will ever need AT HOME. At
work, you still need Windows for some things. But that list of “some
things” gets shorter every year.

On 2022-11-05 08:21:03 +0000, David Taylor said:
> On 05/11/2022 06:12, Your Name wrote:
>>
>> The problam is, as said above, the iPad is really only any use as a
>> "content delivery" device and simple tasks. Trying to do any real work
>> on it is just a massive exercise in frustration, so an iPad / tablet
>> will never be a good replacemeant for a proper computer.
>
> Yes, quite.
> What about if you could add a keyboard and touchpad?

It's still nowhere near as good as a proper computer.

A touchscreen interface simply isn't accurate enough or good enough for
real work to be done. Just trying to select or insert some text can be
massively frustrating (you often have to resort to the time consuming
fiddly workaround of holding the on-screen space bar to move the text
cursor.

Even if you plug in a mouse or trackpad, all you get is a big circle
"pseudo-fat-finger" as the mouse pointer to indicate where you are. The
Pencil / stylus is more accurate, but you're still obscuring the screen
with your hand while using it.

In article <tk6i99$297$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> A touchscreen interface simply isn't accurate enough or good enough for
> real work to be done. Just trying to select or insert some text can be
> massively frustrating (you often have to resort to the time consuming
> fiddly workaround of holding the on-screen space bar to move the text
> cursor.

you've obviously never used an ipad

> Even if you plug in a mouse or trackpad, all you get is a big circle
> "pseudo-fat-finger" as the mouse pointer to indicate where you are. The
> Pencil / stylus is more accurate, but you're still obscuring the screen
> with your hand while using it.

you've obviously never used those either.

On 05/11/2022 20:49, Your Name wrote:
>> What about if you could add a keyboard and touchpad?
> It's still nowhere near as good as a proper computer.
>
> A touchscreen interface simply isn't accurate enough or good enough for
> real work to be done. Just trying to select or insert some text can be
> massively frustrating (you often have to resort to the time consuming
> fiddly workaround of holding the on-screen space bar to move the text
> cursor.
>
> Even if you plug in a mouse or trackpad, all you get is a big circle
> "pseudo-fat-finger" as the mouse pointer to indicate where you are. The
> Pencil / stylus is more accurate, but you're still obscuring the screen
> with your hand while using it.

Just tried that on mine. Apple could have done a much better job integrating
the keyboard & touchpad they sold me!

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David
Web: https://www.satsignal.eu

In article <tk7jqb$2ueti$1@dont-email.me>, David Taylor
<david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

>
> Just tried that on mine. Apple could have done a much better job integrating
> the keyboard & touchpad they sold me!

dunno what they sold you, but their keyboard/trackpad as well as third
party options are very well integrated. maybe you bought the wrong one.

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 11:31:09 PM UTC+1, nospam wrote:
> In article <tk6i99$297$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
> <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
> > A touchscreen interface simply isn't accurate enough or good enough for
> > real work to be done. Just trying to select or insert some text can be
> > massively frustrating (you often have to resort to the time consuming
> > fiddly workaround of holding the on-screen space bar to move the text
> > cursor.
> you've obviously never used an ipad

I have an ipad (latest ipad mini) and I can confirm it's not terribly accurate.
Especially near the edges of the screen it's quite hit&miss.

> > Even if you plug in a mouse or trackpad, all you get is a big circle
> > "pseudo-fat-finger" as the mouse pointer to indicate where you are. The
> > Pencil / stylus is more accurate, but you're still obscuring the screen
> > with your hand while using it.
> you've obviously never used those either.

It's true, just look at a youtube video and you will see a circle as a mousepointer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEq8wUwHoow

That's pretty lame that apple didn't even bother to implement the option to have an
arrow as a mouse pointer, as you would typically expect when using a mouse.

In article <5dc7f5b1-e20b-4f4d-9d1c-dca4f02bba63n@googlegroups.com>,
sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > A touchscreen interface simply isn't accurate enough or good enough for
> > > real work to be done. Just trying to select or insert some text can be
> > > massively frustrating (you often have to resort to the time consuming
> > > fiddly workaround of holding the on-screen space bar to move the text
> > > cursor.
> > you've obviously never used an ipad
>
> I have an ipad (latest ipad mini) and I can confirm it's not terribly
> accurate.
> Especially near the edges of the screen it's quite hit&miss.

then you're doing something wrong.

> > > Even if you plug in a mouse or trackpad, all you get is a big circle
> > > "pseudo-fat-finger" as the mouse pointer to indicate where you are. The
> > > Pencil / stylus is more accurate, but you're still obscuring the screen
> > > with your hand while using it.
> > you've obviously never used those either.
>
> It's true, just look at a youtube video and you will see a circle as a
> mousepointer.

there is no obstruction.

he doesn't have an ipad nor has he used a pencil or keyboard with one.

> That's pretty lame that apple didn't even bother to implement the option to
> have an
> arrow as a mouse pointer, as you would typically expect when using a mouse.

it's not lame at all. they did what they did for very good ui/ux
reasons.

an arrow is completely wrong for what is essentially a touch-based
device, and arguably, having a pointing device at all is inappropriate.

ipad os is *not* mac os or windows and trying to make it like those or
otherwise combining the two is guaranteed to fail. just ask microsoft
how well that worked out with win8.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 2:29:21 PM UTC+1, nospam wrote:
> In article <5dc7f5b1-e20b-4f4d...@googlegroups.com>,
> sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > A touchscreen interface simply isn't accurate enough or good enough for
> > > > real work to be done. Just trying to select or insert some text can be
> > > > massively frustrating (you often have to resort to the time consuming
> > > > fiddly workaround of holding the on-screen space bar to move the text
> > > > cursor.
> > > you've obviously never used an ipad
> >
> > I have an ipad (latest ipad mini) and I can confirm it's not terribly
> > accurate.
> > Especially near the edges of the screen it's quite hit&miss.
> then you're doing something wrong.

You're talking out of your ass as usual.

> > > > Even if you plug in a mouse or trackpad, all you get is a big circle
> > > > "pseudo-fat-finger" as the mouse pointer to indicate where you are. The
> > > > Pencil / stylus is more accurate, but you're still obscuring the screen
> > > > with your hand while using it.
> > > you've obviously never used those either.
> >
> > It's true, just look at a youtube video and you will see a circle as a
> > mousepointer.
> there is no obstruction.
>
> he doesn't have an ipad nor has he used a pencil or keyboard with one.
> > That's pretty lame that apple didn't even bother to implement the option to
> > have an
> > arrow as a mouse pointer, as you would typically expect when using a mouse.
> it's not lame at all. they did what they did for very good ui/ux
> reasons.
>
> an arrow is completely wrong for what is essentially a touch-based
> device, and arguably, having a pointing device at all is inappropriate.
>
> ipad os is *not* mac os or windows and trying to make it like those or
> otherwise combining the two is guaranteed to fail. just ask microsoft
> how well that worked out with win8.

Well, that's the whole point, the ipad is not a replacement for a desktop
computer or laptop because it basically has a toy os that is fine for people
who do little more than browsing the web or sending email, but that isn't
suitable for a wider range of computer use.
Given that the hardware is fairly powerful, it's sad that apple insists
on limiting the use of such powerful hardware with a severely limiting
software layer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dWhwAhpZGs

In article <7ae4651a-4af2-471f-8718-d7b50d5df049n@googlegroups.com>,
sobriquet <dohduhdah@yahoo.com> wrote:

> the ipad is not a replacement for a desktop
> computer or laptop because it basically has a toy os that is fine for people
> who do little more than browsing the web or sending email,

more of the usual mindless and baseless criticisms.

if you think ipads are only useful for browsing and email, then you
haven't any clue what can be done with one.

not only that, if that's all you do, then you don't need a keyboard,
trackpd or pencil, another one of your complaints.

next time, try to think through your trolling so that it's consistent.

> but that isn't
> suitable for a wider range of computer use.

different tools for different tasks.

ipads can do things traditional computers can't and vice versa.

no device does everything, nor should it.

pick the best tool for the task.

> Given that the hardware is fairly powerful, it's sad that apple insists
> on limiting the use of such powerful hardware with a severely limiting
> software layer.

apple doesn't limit anything.

the only limitation is the user.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:15:18 PM UTC+1, nospam wrote:
> In article <7ae4651a-4af2-471f...@googlegroups.com>,
> sobriquet <dohd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > the ipad is not a replacement for a desktop
> > computer or laptop because it basically has a toy os that is fine for people
> > who do little more than browsing the web or sending email,
> more of the usual mindless and baseless criticisms.
>
> if you think ipads are only useful for browsing and email, then you
> haven't any clue what can be done with one.
>
> not only that, if that's all you do, then you don't need a keyboard,
> trackpd or pencil, another one of your complaints.
>
> next time, try to think through your trolling so that it's consistent.

How do you expect people to understand what you're babbling about
with your head stuck up your ass?

> > but that isn't
> > suitable for a wider range of computer use.
> different tools for different tasks.
>
> ipads can do things traditional computers can't and vice versa.
>
> no device does everything, nor should it.
>
> pick the best tool for the task.

The nature of a computer is multifunctionality. Software is supposed to enable
optimal use of the capabilities of the hardware. It's not supposed to severely
restrict the functionality.

> > Given that the hardware is fairly powerful, it's sad that apple insists
> > on limiting the use of such powerful hardware with a severely limiting
> > software layer.
> apple doesn't limit anything.
>
> the only limitation is the user.

Again, try pulling your head from your ass before you start arguing.