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* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsDavid Higton
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|+* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsStuart
||`* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsDavid Higton
|| +* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitscharles
|| |`- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsJohn
|| `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsNick Roberts
||  +* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsStuart
||  |+* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsDavid Higton
||  ||`* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsBob Latham
||  || `- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsStuart
||  |`* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsRussell Hafter News
||  | `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsAlan Calder BT
||  |  `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsRussell Hafter News
||  |   `- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsTim Hill
||  `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitscharles
||   `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitscharles
||    `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsBob Latham
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||     |`* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsBob Latham
||     | +- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitscharles
||     | `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsDavid Higton
||     |  `- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsBob Latham
||     `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsNick Roberts
||      +- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitscharles
||      `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsTim Hill
||       `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitscharles
||        `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsSteve Drain
||         +- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitscharles
||         `- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsJohn
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`* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsChris Hughes
 +* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsBob Latham
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 |`* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsAlan Calder BT
 | `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsBob Latham
 |  +- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsStuart
 |  +- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsAdrian Crafer
 |  +* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsSteve Fryatt
 |  |+- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsDave
 |  |`- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsBob Latham
 |  `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsDave Plowman (News)
 |   `- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsBob Latham
 `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsNick Roberts
  `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsRussell Hafter News
   `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsChris Newman
    `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsdruck
     +* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsBob Latham
     |`* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsJohn Williams (News)
     | +* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsStuart
     | |`* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsChris Newman
     | | `- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsdruck
     | `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsBob Latham
     |  `- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsDave
     `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsDave Plowman (News)
      `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsTim Hill
       +* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsMatthew Phillips
       |+- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsDave
       |`- Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsStuart
       `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitsDave Plowman (News)
        `* Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbitscharles
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Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbits

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 by: David Higton - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:53 UTC

In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
<info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

> Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
> three pounds

Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

David

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 by: charles - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 13:33 UTC

In article <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
> <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

> > Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
> > three pounds

> Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

> David

It's a British Computer - perhaps endorsed by a certain Rees-Mog?

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbits

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 by: Chris Hughes - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 14:30 UTC

In message <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

> In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
> <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

>> Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
>> three pounds

> Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we are going imperial
again! Now we are not in the EU, we are going back to real
measurements!!!! :-( God help the poor kids and probably teachers, who do
not know anything but metric.

I think it was our Brexit negotiator Lord Frost who say we might go back
to pounds, shillings and pence again as well in due course - madness,
total madness. :-(

--
Chris Hughes

Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbits

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 by: Bob Latham - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 14:35 UTC

In article <f3e0038259.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
Chris Hughes <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
> David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

> > In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
> > <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

> >> Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
> >> three pounds

> > Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

> Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we are going
> imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we are going back to
> real measurements!!!! :-( God help the poor kids and probably
> teachers, who do not know anything but metric.

> I think it was our Brexit negotiator Lord Frost who say we might go
> back to pounds, shillings and pence again as well in due course -
> madness, total madness. :-(

False nonsense.

Bob.

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 by: charles - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 15:03 UTC

In article <59820452e0bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <f3e0038259.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
> Chris Hughes <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> > In message <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
> > David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

> > > In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
> > > <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

> > >> Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
> > >> three pounds

> > > Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

> > Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we are going
> > imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we are going back to
> > real measurements!!!! :-( God help the poor kids and probably
> > teachers, who do not know anything but metric.

> > I think it was our Brexit negotiator Lord Frost who say we might go
> > back to pounds, shillings and pence again as well in due course -
> > madness, total madness. :-(

> False nonsense.

But we can't go back to "Imperial". That's about the Empire & slavery, etc.
It was suggested that even Imperial College might have to change its name.
Metric College doesn't have quite the same gravitas

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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 by: Alan Calder BT - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 15:07 UTC

In article <59820452e0bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
<bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <f3e0038259.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>, Chris Hughes
> <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> > In message <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM> David Higton
> > <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

> > > In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
> > > <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

> > >> Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less
> > >> than three pounds

> > > Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

> > Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we are going
> > imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we are going back to real
> > measurements!!!! :-( God help the poor kids and probably teachers, who
> > do not know anything but metric.

> > I think it was our Brexit negotiator Lord Frost who say we might go
> > back to pounds, shillings and pence again as well in due course -
> > madness, total madness. :-(

> False nonsense.

Which bit are you calling 'false nonsense', Bob? The Moggs/Frost daft
burblings or the description of said burblings?

Alan

--
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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 by: Nick Roberts - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 16:09 UTC

In message <f3e0038259.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>
Chris Hughes <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
> David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
> > <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:
>
> >> Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
> >> three pounds
>
> > Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?
>
> Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we are going
> imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we are going back to real
> measurements!!!! :-( God help the poor kids and probably teachers,
> who do not know anything but metric.

And god help all the scientists and engineers who would need to operate
using SI in their professional life and Imperial at all other times.

> I think it was our Brexit negotiator Lord Frost who say we might go
> back to pounds, shillings and pence again as well in due course -
> madness, total madness. :-(

I regret the loss of the light-year-acre. It's quite a convenient
metric for measuring the volume of planets (from recollection, most
planets end up in the 0.1-20 lya range).

--
Nick Roberts tigger @ orpheusinternet.co.uk

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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 by: Bob Latham - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 16:36 UTC

In article <59820749cdalancalder.8@btinternet.com>,
Alan Calder BT <alancalder.8@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <59820452e0bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
> <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <f3e0038259.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>, Chris Hughes
> > <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In message <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM> David Higton
> > > <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

> > > > In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
> > > > <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

> > > >> Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less
> > > >> than three pounds

> > > > Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

> > > Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we are going
> > > imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we are going back to
> > > real measurements!!!! :-( God help the poor kids and probably
> > > teachers, who do not know anything but metric.

> > > I think it was our Brexit negotiator Lord Frost who say we
> > > might go back to pounds, shillings and pence again as well in
> > > due course - madness, total madness. :-(

> > False nonsense.

> Which bit are you calling 'false nonsense', Bob? The Moggs/Frost
> daft burblings or the description of said burblings?

There is no serious suggestion that we abandon metric in favour of a
previous measurement structure. However, if a business thinks that
their customers would like to purchase by the yard, pint, ounce or
whatever there is no intention or need to prevent them doing so.

Bob.

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 by: Stuart - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 18:37 UTC

In article <59820f6927bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> There is no serious suggestion that we abandon metric in favour of a
> previous measurement structure. However, if a business thinks that
> their customers would like to purchase by the yard, pint, ounce or
> whatever there is no intention or need to prevent them doing so.

Well I'm Bloomin glad I can still buy a pint in my local pub!

I see the chancellor is reducing the duty on good Ale too.

--
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
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http://www.twam.co.uk/

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 by: Stuart - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 18:40 UTC

In article <5981feaf9bcharles@candehope.me.uk>,
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
> In article <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
> David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> > In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
> > <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

> > > Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
> > > three pounds

> > Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

> > David

> It's a British Computer - perhaps endorsed by a certain Rees-Mog?

I guess the majority of us RO users are entirely familiar with the
imperial system and many still use it!

--
Stuart Winsor

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 by: David Higton - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 19:33 UTC

In message <59821ac594Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <5981feaf9bcharles@candehope.me.uk>,
> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
> > In article <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
> > David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> > > In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
> > > <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:
>
> > > > Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
> > > > three pounds
>
> > > Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?
>
> > > David
>
> > It's a British Computer - perhaps endorsed by a certain Rees-Mog?
>
> I guess the majority of us RO users are entirely familiar with the imperial
> system and many still use it!

Hmm. I abandoned the Imperial system somewhere around 1975, IIRC.

Years earlier, I had grown up with Imperial, then learned the CGS and
MKS systems (as they were called at the time) at school. It was
abundantly clear by them that metric (in whichever set of units) was
easier and clearer, so, as an adult, I made the switch completely.

David

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 by: charles - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 19:53 UTC

In article <4ca11f8259.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton
<dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> In message <59821ac594Spambin@argonet.co.uk> Stuart
> <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <5981feaf9bcharles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
> > <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton
> > > <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> > > > In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
> > > > <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:
> >
> > > > > Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less
> > > > > than three pounds
> >
> > > > Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?
> >
> > > > David
> >
> > > It's a British Computer - perhaps endorsed by a certain Rees-Mog?
> >
> > I guess the majority of us RO users are entirely familiar with the
> > imperial system and many still use it!

> Hmm. I abandoned the Imperial system somewhere around 1975, IIRC.

> Years earlier, I had grown up with Imperial, then learned the CGS and MKS
> systems (as they were called at the time) at school. It was abundantly
> clear by them that metric (in whichever set of units) was easier and
> clearer, so, as an adult, I made the switch completely.

It's interesting to consider that electrical measurements have always been
made using a metric system.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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 by: druck - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 20:09 UTC

On 27/10/2021 14:33, charles wrote:
> In article <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
> David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>> In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
>> <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:
>
>>> Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
>>> three pounds
>
>> Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?
>
> It's a British Computer - perhaps endorsed by a certain Rees-Mog?

If it's good enough for the minister for the Victorian era, it's good
enough for me.

---druck

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 by: Russell Hafter News - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 20:21 UTC

In article <c1ec0c8259.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

> > Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we
> > are going imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we
> > are going back to real measurements!!!! :-( God help
> > the poor kids and probably teachers, who do not know
> > anything but metric.

> And god help all the scientists and engineers who would
> need to operate using SI in their professional life and
> Imperial at all other times.

Back in the early 1990s when I was still teaching, a 12 year
old girl asked how to change the margins on a document. I
talked her through the process and she asked why the default
setting was 2.54cm. I explained that 2.54cm = 1 inch. Her
response: "What is an inch?" I suspect that I found an old
ruler...

My niece is an architect, first degree at Sheffield, but
then decided to do a masters at Syracuse NY (copying her
mother).
She got the shock of her life when she discovered that she
was supposed to work in 1/32 of an inch, rather than mm.

Even in the mid-1970s, chemists in the USA used all metric.
Problems only arose when buying bulk liquids - no one could
supply a litre of anything, because no one made bottles that
size. Chemical catalogues sold in 946ml bottles + 1 US
quart.

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 by: John - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 20:27 UTC

In article <5982217cffcharles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

> It's interesting to consider that electrical measurements
> have always been made using a metric system.

Not quite, Charles. That's only true in recent times. I
used to have a copy of the Admiralty Handbook of Wireless
Telegraphy and I recall that capacitance was measured in
jars.

My school physics text books used to measure magnetic
phenomena using gilberts, örsteds and lines.

John

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 by: Adrian Crafer - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 21:33 UTC

In message <59820f6927bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <59820749cdalancalder.8@btinternet.com>,
> Alan Calder BT <alancalder.8@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> In article <59820452e0bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
>> <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <f3e0038259.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>, Chris Hughes
>>> <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM> David Higton
>>>> <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

>>>>> In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
>>>>> <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

>>>>>> Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less
>>>>>> than three pounds

>>>>> Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

>>>> Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we are going
>>>> imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we are going back to
>>>> real measurements!!!! :-( God help the poor kids and probably
>>>> teachers, who do not know anything but metric.

>>>> I think it was our Brexit negotiator Lord Frost who say we
>>>> might go back to pounds, shillings and pence again as well in
>>>> due course - madness, total madness. :-(

>>> False nonsense.

>> Which bit are you calling 'false nonsense', Bob? The Moggs/Frost
>> daft burblings or the description of said burblings?

> There is no serious suggestion that we abandon metric in favour of a
> previous measurement structure. However, if a business thinks that
> their customers would like to purchase by the yard, pint, ounce or
> whatever there is no intention or need to prevent them doing so.

> Bob.

I manufacture equipment that was originally designed in the 1920s and in
some cases even earlier. I have to certify to one of my customers that the
equipment is made to the originals specifications. This means I use feet
and inches, Whitworth Bolts and BA bolts, the later ironically were
devised as metric, but normally always expressed in the nearest imperial
unit. The customer a big organisation claims it now does everything in
metric, which it doesn't. The British Standards that apply, have never
been metricated, and so are considered obsolete for that reason, but still
have to be used to facilitate replacement equipment working with earlier
equipment.

Adrain

--

acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk

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 by: Chris Newman - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 21:51 UTC

In article <5982241134see.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid>,
Russell Hafter News <see.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid> wrote:
> In article <c1ec0c8259.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
> Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

> > > Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we
> > > are going imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we
> > > are going back to real measurements!!!! :-( God help
> > > the poor kids and probably teachers, who do not know
> > > anything but metric.

> > And god help all the scientists and engineers who would
> > need to operate using SI in their professional life and
> > Imperial at all other times.

> Back in the early 1990s when I was still teaching, a 12 year
> old girl asked how to change the margins on a document. I
> talked her through the process and she asked why the default
> setting was 2.54cm. I explained that 2.54cm = 1 inch. Her
> response: "What is an inch?" I suspect that I found an old
> ruler...

Is called doudecimal when based on 12? 12 was useful in times gone past
as it was easily divisible by 2,3,4 & 6.

There are still those about who refer to the metric system as Napoleon's
Revenge although it was devised before he came on the scene.

--
Chris Newman

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 by: Steve Fryatt - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 22:13 UTC

On 27 Oct, Bob Latham wrote in message
<59820f6927bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>:

> In article <59820749cdalancalder.8@btinternet.com>,
> Alan Calder BT <alancalder.8@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > Which bit are you calling 'false nonsense', Bob? The Moggs/Frost daft
> > burblings or the description of said burblings?
>
> There is no serious suggestion that we abandon metric in favour of a
> previous measurement structure.

That depends on what you mean by "serious". It was included in Ian Duncan
Smith's "Brexit Opportunities" policy paper from the Cabinet Office. Then
again, maybe you mean that IDS isn't a serious politician?

Though if policy paper on "Brexit Opportunities" is having to include
unserious suggestions in order to pad itself out to just four A4 pages, then
that in itself is also quite telling...

> However, if a business thinks that their customers would like to purchase
> by the yard, pint, ounce or whatever there is no intention or need to
> prevent them doing so.

And as there never has been any such restriction[1] outside of the fevered
imaginations of the Brexiteers, it's just another "Blue Passport" issue[2].

1. The sale must be in metric, but there's nothing to stop items being
measured or packaged in imperial quantities in parallel. A wander down the
dairy isle of your local supermarket would show you this very quickly, as
the milk cartons in my fridge appear to contain 1.136 litres for some
unfathomable reason. I also buy plywood in sheets measuring 1220 x 2440 mm,
because apparently that has got some deeper meaning.

2. Something that could have been fixed perfectly will whilst still in the
EU.

--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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 by: Dave - Thu, 28 Oct 2021 06:41 UTC

In article <mpro.r1nppk02dwov602ie.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
> I also buy plywood in sheets measuring 1220 x 2440 mm,
> because apparently that has got some deeper meaning.

Most, (Though not all) of my working life was in Building Construction and
Maintenance, and the above noted was often a discussion point between us
oldies and the younger workers.

It's a perception thing, a minds eye thing... And it's kind of palpable.

An 8' x 4' sheet of board has a visiospatial reality in my mind, and even
though I know intellectually 2440mm x 1220mm is the same measurement, it
doesn't have a visiospatial reality registered.

Similarly a 4" x 2" (Sawn or prepared) timber has a visiospatial reality
in my mind, but a 100 x 50mm does not.

Again, a 10' length of 4 x 2 has a reality, but a 3.050 Metre length does
not.

Obviously from the time of metrication until I retired I used metric
measurements, but the core perceptions of dimensions in my head were and
still are in imperial.

That all might appear a bit strange, it even looks strange to me when
written down, but from past discussions it did appear to be the case
generally in construction.

Old plumbers still referring to pipe sizes as three quarter inch copper
pipe, and bags of cement were 1 Cwt not 50.8 Kg.

Dave

Chuckle... Even to this day, when reading a building plan it's hard to
visualise the room size Dims without doing an imperial conversion... :-)

D.

--

Dave Triffid

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 by: Bob Latham - Thu, 28 Oct 2021 08:09 UTC

In article <mpro.r1nppk02dwov602ie.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

> > However, if a business thinks that their customers would like to
> > purchase by the yard, pint, ounce or whatever there is no
> > intention or need to prevent them doing so.

> 2. Something that could have been fixed perfectly will whilst still
> in the EU.

But it hasn't been much of an issue for decades and I don't recall it
even being mentioned during 2016.

Anyway no serious changes happening. In all but exceptional cases
like mentioned in this thread, if you like metric use metric, no
issue.

Why do people get off on desperately looking for absurd problems that
don't exist. If Brexit is so awful, surely there are enough real
problems.

Bob.

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On 27/10/2021 22:51, Chris Newman wrote:
> There are still those about who refer to the metric system as Napoleon's
> Revenge although it was devised before he came on the scene.

That and driving on the wrong side of the road.

Luckily the sensible parts of the world still pass sword arm to sword arm.

---druck

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 by: Bob Latham - Thu, 28 Oct 2021 08:41 UTC

In article <sldm32$eqt$2@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

> still pass sword arm to sword arm.

LOL. Never thought of it like that before. :-)

Bob.

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 by: John Williams (News) - Thu, 28 Oct 2021 09:22 UTC

In article <598267c427bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> > still pass sword arm to sword arm.

> LOL. Never thought of it like that before. :-)

Much better would be hand-shaking-arm to hand-shaking-arm, no weapons
involved!

Typical Rees-Mogg outdated attitudes.

Oh, it was DeeJay! Ah well...

John

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 by: Stuart - Thu, 28 Oct 2021 12:35 UTC

In article <59826b9060UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> > > still pass sword arm to sword arm.

> > LOL. Never thought of it like that before. :-)

> Much better would be hand-shaking-arm to hand-shaking-arm, no weapons
> involved!

Surely these days it is Elbow nudging to Elbow nudging ? :)

Anyway the sword-arm version is generally considered to be the origin of
driving on the left.

--
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

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 by: Chris Newman - Thu, 28 Oct 2021 12:39 UTC

In article <59827d333bSpambin@argonet.co.uk>,
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <59826b9060UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
> John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > still pass sword arm to sword arm.

> > > LOL. Never thought of it like that before. :-)

> > Much better would be hand-shaking-arm to hand-shaking-arm, no weapons
> > involved!

> Surely these days it is Elbow nudging to Elbow nudging ? :)

> Anyway the sword-arm version is generally considered to be the origin of
> driving on the left.

Ah! Perhaps it's different for cross-bows & guns. Technology moves on ;-)

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Chris Newman

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