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Re: How do *you* install Slackware

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 by: Ted Heise - Tue, 6 Jun 2023 19:40 UTC

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 12:17:27 -0700,
Ferannia <ferannia@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 14/04/2023 04.59, noel wrote:
> > I know i'm on their watchlist, because I'm a linux user who
> > has over the years frequented Linux Journal's website, but
> > since I don't have any plans to visit the USA, I have no fucks
> > to give.
>
> Do you really believe long time Linux users are on NSA's
> watchlist?

Aren't we all?

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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 by: Ferannia - Tue, 6 Jun 2023 20:01 UTC

On 06/06/2023 12.40, Ted Heise wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 12:17:27 -0700,
> Ferannia <ferannia@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 14/04/2023 04.59, noel wrote:
>>> I know i'm on their watchlist, because I'm a linux user who
>>> has over the years frequented Linux Journal's website, but
>>> since I don't have any plans to visit the USA, I have no fucks
>>> to give.
>>
>> Do you really believe long time Linux users are on NSA's
>> watchlist?
>
> Aren't we all?

That's what I'm asking you. Please can you clarify why exactly lont term
Linux users are on NSA's watchlist?

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 by: Ted Heise - Wed, 7 Jun 2023 01:10 UTC

On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 13:01:21 -0700,
Ferannia <ferannia@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 06/06/2023 12.40, Ted Heise wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 12:17:27 -0700,
> > Ferannia <ferannia@invalid.com> wrote:
> >> On 14/04/2023 04.59, noel wrote:
> >>> I know i'm on their watchlist, because I'm a linux user who
> >>> has over the years frequented Linux Journal's website, but
> >>> since I don't have any plans to visit the USA, I have no
> >>> fucks to give.
> >>
> >> Do you really believe long time Linux users are on NSA's
> >> watchlist?
> >
> > Aren't we all?
>
> That's what I'm asking you. Please can you clarify why exactly
> lont term Linux users are on NSA's watchlist?

My comment was somewhat tongue in cheek, given the broad trawling
of the entirety of communications that the NSA reportedly does.

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

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 by: bad sector - Wed, 7 Jun 2023 05:22 UTC

On 4/14/23 07:59, noel wrote:

> In this country, it matters not, because your messages are private,
> unless a court issues a warant to a LEA to invade that privacy, in which
> case encryption doesn't set off must-read-flags, because in such cases,
> you are a target, a POI, and /all/ your comms is subject to forensic
> level scrutiny, pedos, drug dealers and no doubt terrorists use coded
> plain text messages all the time, although in a different job these days,
> I've worked with our Federal Police in my role to apply a few such
> monitorings, half of them are too stupid to know encryption exists, but
> even then, decyphering the unencrpyted mumbo jumbo often comes too late,
> then there are the journos, the politicians, the whistleblowers, the
> justice officers, and yes - the spooks, all use encryption with any
> sensitive matter.
>
> encryption does not mean you are an offender, it means you value your
> privacy.

Security isn't based on facts but on possibilities, suspicion, and
prejudice. I don't at all need to KNOW if my mail is being read only to
assume that it is. Beyond the fact that I have nothing worth encrypting
the reason I don't is that I presume that all comms are automatically
decoded if needed and stored regardless. The same applies when one is on
the other end of the checkerboard of course.

I have no idea if I was on some watchlist or shitlist for being a Linux
user or for any other reason but I did have one unpleasant and another
totally horrible incident with US border agents who, after looking me up
in the computer both times, next glared at me like I had just killed
their mother. One of them lost his cool and was yelling conflicting
orders at me like the creep in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ooa7wOKHhg

and would have blown my head off if he had a gun (he didn't pull it if
he did, he was higher in this cubicle and I was in my car). He had asked
me where I was going and I told him I was going to a hotel a couple of
clicks away but didn't know the address or name which were written down
on a piece of paper in my T-shirt pocket (it was summer). As I was
trying to get the piece of paper out he started warning me to get my
hand out of my pocket (a plainly visible 3" T-shirt pocket for crissake
that I could barely get three fingers in) and was shrieking at the top
of his lungs and trembling like a *total basket case*.

This same (and last) time they next ripped my new Buick to pieces and
left me there to put it back together. I had never done an illegal thing
and had never been treated like this in my life but could not know what
they were reading about me on the monitor. Seeing that they ripped the
car I figure they must have thought I was running dope or something.
That all came to a sudden end around 30 years ago after which time the
average yearly 8-12 thousand dollars I had been spending stateside never
went back there again, and never will. I had become a Linux user a few
years before, no idea if it had a bearing though.

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 by: slash - Wed, 7 Jun 2023 14:34 UTC

On 6/7/23 07:22, bad sector wrote:
> ...I have nothing worth encrypting

That's silly. Instead, ask yourself wether you want anything
disseminated to third parties.

> the reason I don't is that I presume that all comms are automatically
> decoded
Do you believe that someone is decoding the credentials you exchange on
every home banking session? And that doesn't bother you? Uh, I forgot,
you are one of the "nothing to hide" lot. :-)

--
/

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 by: bad sector - Wed, 7 Jun 2023 15:55 UTC

On Wed, 7 Jun 2023 16:34:06 +0200, slash wrote:

> On 6/7/23 07:22, bad sector wrote:
>> ...I have nothing worth encrypting
>
> That's silly. Instead, ask yourself wether you want anything
> disseminated to third parties.
>
>> the reason I don't is that I presume that all comms are automatically
>> decoded
> Do you believe that someone is decoding the credentials you exchange on
> every home banking session? And that doesn't bother you? Uh, I forgot,
> you are one of the "nothing to hide" lot. :-)

It bothers me but there's nothing "I" can do to interdict it and, believe
me, MY banking sessions offer very little reward to snoops. There IS
industry surveillance that offers me more security at least from the non-
banking gangsters that the banking gangsters want to keep off their turf
but the idea is to keep things to a minimum. That again is basic
security, the easiest to protect is what isn't even there! The next basic
security mantra is that the first beneficiary is always the first suspect
and that is the security provider himself. I once saw a documentary on
this (I think NSA) server-farm in Phoenix or wherever and the allegedly
open secret was that nothing on the net got by them without being stored.
Actually as early as windows 95 every new customer's every available bit
of info was 'called home' and stored on five or more separate microcancer
servers on that many continents so the technology OR the practice are
anything but novel. THEN came 911, the taliban, googlegoons and
faecesbooks to name just a few other related topics, happy days...

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On 6/7/23 17:55, bad sector wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jun 2023 16:34:06 +0200, slash wrote:
>
>> On 6/7/23 07:22, bad sector wrote:
>>> ...I have nothing worth encrypting
>>
>> That's silly. Instead, ask yourself wether you want anything
>> disseminated to third parties.
>>
>>> the reason I don't is that I presume that all comms are automatically
>>> decoded
>> Do you believe that someone is decoding the credentials you exchange on
>> every home banking session? And that doesn't bother you? Uh, I forgot,
>> you are one of the "nothing to hide" lot. :-)
>
>
> It bothers me but there's nothing "I" can do to interdict it

You are saying that you don't trust tls encryption, because some bad guy
can crack it? Rest assured, even if the NSA can crack tls, they won't
make the chinese aware of it just for the sake of busting you.
Cryptography is real, and cheap, so there's no reason not to use it. The
alternative is the good old tinfoil hat.

--
/

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 by: bad sector - Thu, 8 Jun 2023 10:49 UTC

On 6/8/23 05:33, slash wrote:
> On 6/7/23 17:55, bad sector wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Jun 2023 16:34:06 +0200, slash wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/7/23 07:22, bad sector wrote:
>>>> ...I have nothing worth encrypting
>>>
>>> That's silly. Instead, ask yourself wether you want anything
>>> disseminated to third parties.
>>>
>>>> the reason I don't is that I presume that all comms are automatically
>>>> decoded
>>> Do you believe that someone is decoding the credentials you exchange on
>>> every home banking session? And that doesn't bother you? Uh, I forgot,
>>> you are one of the "nothing to hide" lot. :-)
>>
>>
>> It bothers me but there's nothing "I" can do to interdict it
>
> You are saying that you don't trust tls encryption

I pretend to have the healthiest security attitude of all people: I
don't trust anyone. I'm also the most unbiased person since it is
without prejudice that I hate everyone equally without regard to race
creed or religion. But seriously, it's not the state snoops who spook
me, rather the corporate scum-field and the id-stealing vermin operating
off some smartphone in mookmookville. The latter don't get to intercept
my banking traffic which is the only one I would be sensitive about
because TWICE now I've ALMOST been ripped off and both incidents were
CREDIT card related having nothing to do with passwords. So I developed
my own low-level but bulletproof countermeasure to that. Meanwhile if I
as a 79 old fart would be of any interest to any secret service or
police then I'd say they have some very, very serious problems :-)

That step where one gets involved in the technical discussion is where I
hit the side road partly because I think we should foster sane stone-age
methods of security instead of just handing everything over to
encryption which in the end relies on trust. Instead of herding everyone
to the automated lalaland carrot in front of their nose we should be
teaching people to instinctively watch their personal data as a way of
life. Always answer the phone with "Mama's Pizza" and any question with
"Who wants to know"?

BTW my bank wasn't happy with tls (I presume) so they went to second
level security questions which they explained to me they intend to do
much more of in the future. To me that says they're not all that
satisfied with encryption either.

--
Oh Lord of the Keyrings on high, have I got bad news for you: the word
trust is nowhere to be found in my security dictionary.

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 by: slash - Fri, 9 Jun 2023 13:58 UTC

On 6/8/23 12:49, bad sector wrote:
> ...it's not the state snoops who spook me, rather the corporate
> scum-field and the id-stealing vermin operating off some smartphone
> in mookmookville.

You beat them both easily with encryption.

> That step where one gets involved in the technical discussion is
> where I hit the side road partly because I think we should foster
> sane stone-age methods of security

They work. Just keep grunting to people near you instead of using
internet, and you are certainly safe. Mafia bosses in Italy evade
capture for decades by never going near a telephone. Instead, they hand
around easily chewable small pieces of paper. Downside: they need to
blindly trust the chewers.

> instead of just handing everything over to encryption which in the
> end relies on trust.

Nope. It relies on math. But I get it, you don't have a clue, and
therefore react as a baboon to whom somebody is trying to teach the
advantages of a spoon and a fork. They are useless to him, as encryption
is to you.

> BTW my bank wasn't happy with tls (I presume)

You presume wrong.

> so they went to second level security questions which they explained
> to me they intend to do much more of in the future. To me that says
> they're not all that satisfied with encryption either

Again, you are clueless. Their mistrust is on you, not on tls. They are
pretty sure that you can't keep safe your credentials, and prefer to ask
a few more questions, to be sure that it's still you using that
password. Rest assured that your bank is not switching from tls to
cleartext anytime soon.

--
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 by: bad sector - Sat, 10 Jun 2023 00:23 UTC

On 6/9/23 09:58, slash wrote:
> On 6/8/23 12:49, bad sector wrote:
>> ...it's not the state snoops who spook me, rather the corporate
>> scum-field and the id-stealing vermin operating off some  smartphone
>> in mookmookville.
>
> You beat them both easily with encryption.

If you believe so then continue using it. I don't tell you what to do
and you don't tell me.

>
>> That step where one gets involved in the technical discussion is where
>> I hit the side road partly because I think we should foster sane
>> stone-age methods of security
>
> They work. Just keep grunting to people near you instead of using
> internet, and you are certainly safe. Mafia bosses in Italy evade
> capture for decades by never going near a telephone. Instead, they hand
> around easily chewable small pieces of paper. Downside: they need to
> blindly trust the chewers.
>
>> instead of just handing everything over to encryption which in the end
>> relies on trust.
>
> Nope. It relies on math. But I get it, you don't have a clue, and
> therefore react as a baboon to whom somebody is trying to teach the
> advantages of a spoon and a fork. They are useless to him, as encryption
> is to you.

I don't get into ad-hominem either, you just did, which says it all
about who's the baboon.

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 by: noel - Sat, 10 Jun 2023 03:15 UTC

On Fri, 09 Jun 2023 20:23:38 -0400, bad sector wrote:

> On 6/9/23 09:58, slash wrote:
>> On 6/8/23 12:49, bad sector wrote:
>>> ...it's not the state snoops who spook me, rather the corporate
>>> scum-field and the id-stealing vermin operating off some  smartphone
>>> in mookmookville.
>>
>> You beat them both easily with encryption.
>
> If you believe so then continue using it. I don't tell you what to do
> and you don't tell me.
>
>
>>> That step where one gets involved in the technical discussion is where
>>> I hit the side road partly because I think we should foster sane
>>> stone-age methods of security
>>
>> They work. Just keep grunting to people near you instead of using
>> internet, and you are certainly safe. Mafia bosses in Italy evade
>> capture for decades by never going near a telephone. Instead, they hand
>> around easily chewable small pieces of paper. Downside: they need to
>> blindly trust the chewers.
>>
>>> instead of just handing everything over to encryption which in the end
>>> relies on trust.
>>
>> Nope. It relies on math. But I get it, you don't have a clue, and
>> therefore react as a baboon to whom somebody is trying to teach the
>> advantages of a spoon and a fork. They are useless to him, as
>> encryption is to you.
>
> I don't get into ad-hominem either, you just did, which says it all
> about who's the baboon.

The U.S.A N.S.A. thanks you for your continued submission of your data,
your ignorance and denials in secure methods and idiocy makes our job so
easy we only need to have first year interns trawl your data, please keep
this up.

PS:

Interesting web sites you are visiting.

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 by: bad sector - Sat, 10 Jun 2023 17:22 UTC

On 6/9/23 23:15, noel wrote:

> your ignorance and denials in secure methods and idiocy

I was into pgp around version 2.6 when you were still desperately
looking for a pinhole in your old man's condom

plonk

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 by: noel - Sun, 11 Jun 2023 08:49 UTC

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 13:22:52 -0400, bad sector wrote:

> On 6/9/23 23:15, noel wrote:
>
>> your ignorance and denials in secure methods and idiocy
>
> I was into pgp around version 2.6 when you were still desperately
> looking for a pinhole in your old man's condom
>
> plonk

hahahaha is that the best you can do you whiny lil bitch?
I had better retorts from prepubecent pimpleheads on efnet back in early
90's hahahahaha you sad sack hahahaha

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 by: Erte Ribbile - Mon, 12 Jun 2023 06:17 UTC

On 6/10/23 02:23, bad sector wrote:
> On 6/9/23 09:58, slash wrote:
>> On 6/8/23 12:49, bad sector wrote:
>>> ...it's not the state snoops who spook me, rather the corporate
>>> scum-field and the id-stealing vermin operating off some  smartphone
>>> in mookmookville.
>>
>> You beat them both easily with encryption.
>
> If you believe so then continue using it. I don't tell you what to do
> and you don't tell me.

I don't "tell", I suggest. Encryption is not "belief", is math. You
prefer beliefs? Nobody will bother you.

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 by: bad sector - Mon, 12 Jun 2023 09:33 UTC

On 6/12/23 02:17, Erte Ribbile wrote:
> On 6/10/23 02:23, bad sector wrote:
>> On 6/9/23 09:58, slash wrote:
>>> On 6/8/23 12:49, bad sector wrote:
>>>> ...it's not the state snoops who spook me, rather the corporate
>>>> scum-field and the id-stealing vermin operating off some  smartphone
>>>> in mookmookville.
>>>
>>> You beat them both easily with encryption.
>>
>> If you believe so then continue using it. I don't tell you what to do
>> and you don't tell me.
>
> I don't "tell", I suggest. Encryption is not "belief", is math. You
> prefer beliefs? Nobody will bother you.

Yes, technically encryption is math, practically it includes the use
made of it and then we get into motives, belief, cloak and dagger crap
and who knows what else with back doors to who knows where else. I
prioritize the rudimentary approach that begins with physical data
denial and avoid security providers wholesale. For one thing, in most
countries these latter could but are NOT ALLOWED to deny data from state
authority so that leaves mainly the private sector to be protected
against ..and I have my own opinions about how the private sector
works: you sell your mother to the highest bidder, period. As for the
rare cloaking that I might need, like for my passwords stored on disk, I
roll my own. Yeah, they can be intercepted once sent but that encryption
isn't under my control anyway for one thing, and except for my bank the
data doesn't need protection. Some super stink tech-giant is gonna
expend effort to recover my password used in some extreme-gardening
forum? I don't think so. Someone wants to force the general use of
encryption by all at every level? Go for it! Me, I will still deny
physical access wherever I can as if encryption didn't even exist
because for security I don't believe in trust. In 2023 everyone is lying
about everything all the time, we live in the age of credibility meltdown.

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 by: Martin Schöön - Tue, 13 Jun 2023 20:49 UTC

Den 2023-04-08 skrev Martin Schöön <martin.schoon@gmail.com>:
> Den 2023-03-16 skrev Martin Schöön <martin.schoon@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Isn't Salix supposed to have dependency resolution? Any thoughts on
>> that?
>>
>> /Martin (used to Debian, curious about Slackware)
>
> I wanted to try out Salix but as I want to use it with full disk
> encryption it was put on hold. Then I learned about Slint which
> builds on Salix and has an installer that does the disk encryption for
> you. I installed Slint on a virtual machine (Qemu) and the installer
> worked just fine including encryption.
>
> So now I have the opportunity to try out Gslapt and its dependency
> resolution. It is work in progress. Some packages provide Gslapt with
> the information needed to install missing dependencies. Other packages
> miss this information.
>
I am back.
I decided to install Salix on a virtual machine.
I like it. I find Salix to be a treat, a true delight to use.
Gslapt works just fine. The issues I had when testing Slint had to do
with Slint.

Too bad full disk encryption is such an intimidating thing in this case.

And, as this is such a hot topic, it has nothing to do with NSA and
their ilk in my case. I just feel better if I can prevent 'John Doe' from
browsing my folders if the computer 'goes missing'.

/Martin

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 by: Joseph Rosevear - Sat, 1 Jul 2023 13:59 UTC

On Mon, 01 May 2023 06:07:48 GMT, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:

> Late response to this, but I rather like the thread, and wishing I
> hadn't missed it when it was fresh, I thought I'd go ahead and follow up

No, worries :)
> ...
>
> On 2023-03-14, Joseph Rosevear wrote:
>
>> OK, this is a survey. Pick all that apply:
>>
>> 1. I download the CD iso images, burn them to CDs, boot the
>> first CD, and install.
>> 2. Same as above, but download a single DVD iso image and burn
>> to a DVD.
>
> I've done both of these, but most often, in the days when there was a
> Slackware Store, I bought the CD (or DVD) sets and used those.

Personally, I liked having Slackware on a (cool) set of CDs. It worked
well for me as I'm sure it did for many.
>
>> 3. I download the CD iso images and use them directly, booting
>> the first image using Grub.
>> 4. Same as above, but download a single DVD iso image.
>
> I've never used grub on a Slackware system ...

You know, Grub is a little obscure. I went through an uncomfortable
learning process.
>
>> 5. I clone an existing installation using rsync, then modify
>> it as needed using patches and scripts.
>> 6. I never install, I upgrade.
>
> Neither of these methods ever struck me as a good idea. Installing a
> new OS version on a system is an opportunity to clean out some cruft
> from past installations, in my opinion, to start again with a clean
> slate (although I do preserve home directories and locally installed
> software across versions, wherever possible).

Right, you are. But have you ever had a need or desire to "mass produce"
multiple configured installations? I did when I worked as a paraeducator
in an elementary school. With support from the principal I rescued many
dozens of "thin client" PCs which had been piled (oh, the tangled wires!)
in the custodial room or left in similar disarray in the classrooms.
These machines had 16GB SSDs and 2GB of RAM in them. The school system
had dropped support for the machines because of their age, but I
resurrected about half of them and put them in classrooms, plus one in
the office and another in the library. Here is a link:

https://joeslife.org/projects/thin
>
>> 7. Some other way.
>
> I make a local clone of a mirror of the distribution (to which I also
> keep up with package updates). I PXE-boot the target computer (using
> gpxe on a USB key or even a floppy disk, if the target system can't PXE
> boot of its own accord), and from there I install from NFS. I did for a
> while keep "tag" files for my system installations, and the truth is
> that works great to minimize human intervention when you don't want a
> "full" installation, but it was too much work to keep the tag files up
> to date between Slackware versions. For the small number of systems I
> have, and the smaller number that I upgrade to the latest stable version
> at any time, it just winds up being simpler to select from the package
> menus.
>
> The PXE-boot to NFS installation is really a very handy way to do the
> installations. No CDs or DVDs to swap in and out, and it goes rather
> quickly.

That's great! I've never used PXE-boot, although I've wondered if it
might serve me somehow.

-Joe

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 by: Sylvain Robitaille - Fri, 22 Mar 2024 01:12 UTC

On 2023-07-01, Joseph Rosevear wrote:

(yes, I dare show up this many months later to follow up ... ;-)

>> I've never used grub on a Slackware system ...
>
> You know, Grub is a little obscure. I went through an uncomfortable
> learning process.

Oh, I've used grub. I'm not a fan, but can work with it well
enough, thus my not using it on Slackware systems. Once you have
it configured, though, you just kind of forget that it's there.
I suppose that's its intent, for those that would repeatedly forget
to re-run lilo after updating a kernel.

>> ... Installing a new OS version on a system is an opportunity to
>> clean out some cruft from past installations, in my opinion, to start
>> again with a clean slate ...
>
> Right, you are. But have you ever had a need or desire to "mass
> produce" multiple configured installations?

Only for work. Read "not with Slackware". At work we use cobbler
to standardize installations and cfengine to keep configurations
consistent. A little bit of glue-scripting implemented by a former
colleague and the whole build process works mostly smoothly. Cobbler
is a great tool, but really designed for RH and Debian derivatives.
It's just not worth trying to wrangle it to work with Slackware.

If I were to do "mass installation" with Slackware, I'd resume using
TAG files for package selection, and likely would stick with cfengine
for configuration management. I've been meaning to work with cfengine
on my home systems, but I just don't have enough of them to justify it.

> https://joeslife.org/projects/thin

It's sad to think, but if you haven't been there to maintain that
installation, the systems probably were shelved again some time ago.

>> The PXE-boot to NFS installation is really a very handy way to do the
>> installations. No CDs or DVDs to swap in and out, and it goes rather
>> quickly.
>
> That's great! I've never used PXE-boot, although I've wondered if it
> might serve me somehow.

Certainly for your mass installations it would. PXE-boot and select
packages with tag files. All that's left to deal with is your
post-installation configuration.

(with apologies for the repeated long absences ...)

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On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 01:12:14 GMT, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:

> On 2023-07-01, Joseph Rosevear wrote:
>
> (yes, I dare show up this many months later to follow up ... ;-)

Better late, than never!
>
>>> I've never used grub on a Slackware system ...
>>
>> You know, Grub is a little obscure. I went through an uncomfortable
>> learning process.
>
> Oh, I've used grub. I'm not a fan, but can work with it well enough,
> thus my not using it on Slackware systems. Once you have it configured,
> though, you just kind of forget that it's there.
> I suppose that's its intent, for those that would repeatedly forget to
> re-run lilo after updating a kernel.

I like that Grub has a command line. It's like a mini OS, and can do
some useful things. And it works well for me. I've used it so long that
I can't say what, if anything, makes it better. I remember lilo vaguely.
>
>>> ... Installing a new OS version on a system is an opportunity to clean
>>> out some cruft from past installations, in my opinion, to start again
>>> with a clean slate ...
>>
>> Right, you are. But have you ever had a need or desire to "mass
>> produce" multiple configured installations?
>
> Only for work. Read "not with Slackware". At work we use cobbler to
> standardize installations and cfengine to keep configurations
> consistent. A little bit of glue-scripting implemented by a former
> colleague and the whole build process works mostly smoothly. Cobbler is
> a great tool, but really designed for RH and Debian derivatives. It's
> just not worth trying to wrangle it to work with Slackware.

Hey, I read a little about cobbler and cfengine online. Both sound like
deluxe tools. This can be really good! Of course, the devil is in the
details.
>
> If I were to do "mass installation" with Slackware, I'd resume using TAG
> files for package selection, and likely would stick with cfengine for
> configuration management. I've been meaning to work with cfengine on my
> home systems, but I just don't have enough of them to justify it.
>
>> https://joeslife.org/projects/thin
>
> It's sad to think, but if you haven't been there to maintain that
> installation, the systems probably were shelved again some time ago.

Miraculously, the machines worked, although I expect they are gone now.
I rescued them from a tangled pile of components destined for the trash.
I would say I pulled a rabbit out of my hat.
>
>>> The PXE-boot to NFS installation is really a very handy way to do the
>>> installations. No CDs or DVDs to swap in and out, and it goes rather
>>> quickly.

I considered doing something fancy like that, but I didn't know how. And
I needed to produce results fast so that I would be allowed to continue.
>>
>> That's great! I've never used PXE-boot, although I've wondered if it
>> might serve me somehow.
>
> Certainly for your mass installations it would. PXE-boot and select
> packages with tag files. All that's left to deal with is your
> post-installation configuration.

Hmmm. I wonder? I had radically, modified Slackware, and had very
little room to spare on each machine's SSD.
>
> (with apologies for the repeated long absences ...)

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Joseph Rosevear wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 01:12:14 GMT, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:
>
>> On 2023-07-01, Joseph Rosevear wrote:
>>
>> (yes, I dare show up this many months later to follow up ... ;-)
>
> Better late, than never!
>>
>>>> I've never used grub on a Slackware system ...
>>>
>>> You know, Grub is a little obscure. I went through an uncomfortable
>>> learning process.
>>
>> Oh, I've used grub. I'm not a fan, but can work with it well enough,
>> thus my not using it on Slackware systems. Once you have it configured,
>> though, you just kind of forget that it's there.
>> I suppose that's its intent, for those that would repeatedly forget to
>> re-run lilo after updating a kernel.
>
> I like that Grub has a command line. It's like a mini OS, and can do
> some useful things. And it works well for me. I've used it so long that
> I can't say what, if anything, makes it better. I remember lilo vaguely.

I much prefer lilo, largely because I've been using it since, what, 1998? I
like its simplicity, and I have no reason to learn something else when what
I have works for me. (I haven't been a sysadmin in a very long time, so no
financial incentive, either.) If, for some reason, I install a distro that
uses grub, fine, as long as I don't have to configure it manually, but if I
have to give it the slightest bit of thought, it's lilo for me.

(If I wanted a mini-os at boot time, I'd probably loop in a disk image or
something. DOS would likely boot *very* quickly on my server, and there I'd
have access to 40+ years of tools for whatever task I needed to do. Until
about 11 years ago, I had a small DOS partition installed on every machine
of mine for exactly that reason, even the servers.)

--
I don't turn toward the light because it means someday I'll "win"
some sort of cosmic game. I turn toward it because it is the light.

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 by: Sylvain Robitaille - Wed, 27 Mar 2024 21:12 UTC

On 2024-03-26, Joseph Rosevear wrote:

> I like that Grub has a command line. It's like a mini OS, and can do
> some useful things. And it works well for me. I've used it so long
> that I can't say what, if anything, makes it better.

No doubt that it's found to be preferable by some, or it wouldn't have
made its way into so many (every known?) Linux distributions. I *am*
glad to see that lilo remains an option in Slackware-land, though.

> Hey, I read a little about cobbler and cfengine online. Both sound
> like deluxe tools. This can be really good! Of course, the devil is
> in the details.

They're great tools, and cfengine can certainly be OS agnostic. I'm
not even sure that it was originally designed for Linux, specifically.
Cobbler, though, is designed around specific package-installation
routines. (anaconda, in particular, if memory serves)

> I would say I pulled a rabbit out of my hat.

scruffy little bunny, it sounds like! ;-)

>> The PXE-boot to NFS installation is really a very handy way to do the
>> installations. ...
>
> I considered doing something fancy like that, but I didn't know how.
> And I needed to produce results fast so that I would be allowed to
> continue.

Been there. The approach will save you time in the long run, but it
*takes* time to learn how to do it and then to get it set up.

> Hmmm. I wonder? I had radically, modified Slackware, and had very
> little room to spare on each machine's SSD.

Create a Slackware "package" that implements your modifications, and
then it's just "installpkg localmods-1.0" to get a number of systems set
up?

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 by: Sam - Wed, 27 Mar 2024 21:40 UTC

Auric__ writes:

> (If I wanted a mini-os at boot time, I'd probably loop in a disk image or
> something. DOS would likely boot *very* quickly on my server, and there I'd
> have access to 40+ years of tools for whatever task I needed to do.

Slackware seems to be pretty zippy at booting. At least the stock Slackware
15. If I focus my eyeballs on the console I can see that it takes 2.3
seconds from kernel boot until /etc/rc.d/rc.S finishes, at which point vera
starts logging how long each container from rc.M spins up. The last one
starts 2.5 seconds later:

0.000s started system/boot
0.000s started system/rc.M.target
0.026s started system/rc.M/rc.syslog
0.918s started system/rc.M/rc.udev
0.005s started system/rc.M/rc.haveged
0.021s started system/rc.M/rc.messagebus
0.017s started system/rc.M/rc.elogind
0.003s started system/rc.M/rc.bluetooth
0.041s started system/rc.M/rc.networkmanager
0.012s started system/rc.M/rc.sshd
0.009s started system/rc.M/rc.ntpd
0.124s started system/rc.M/rc.acpid
0.032s started system/rc.M/rc.cpufreq
0.022s started system/rc.M/rc.crond
0.092s started system/rc.M/rc.atd
0.003s started system/rc.M/rc.gpm
* 2.297s started system/inittab/rc
0.000s started system/rc.multi-user
0.114s + 2.297s waiting started system/inittab/rc-start-multi-user
0.000s + 2.411s waiting started system/inittab/rc-started-multi-user
0.060s + 2.411s waiting started system/inittab/rc-run-local
0.000s + 2.471s waiting started system/inittab/c1
0.000s + 2.471s waiting started system/inittab/c2
0.000s + 2.471s waiting started system/inittab/c3
0.000s + 2.471s waiting started system/inittab/c4
0.000s + 2.471s waiting started system/inittab/c5
0.000s + 2.471s waiting started system/inittab/c6
0.000s + 2.471s waiting started system/multi-user

Total boot time is under five seconds, till the login prompt. DOS might beat
it, but there's not much to beat, here.

I tried to see how long run level 5 would take, but it took even less time
since the virtual disk was already cached in RAM (I'm using a VM) and I'm
too lazy to reboot the raw iron.

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