On 11/10/2021 5:09 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:47:56 PM UTC+13, hb wrote:
>> Emacs version 21.2 is available for VMS on VAX, Alpha and IA64. At least
>> one of the freeware CDs has the sources for this version.
>
> Just a note that Emacs is not freeware <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware>, it is Free software <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software>.

Yes.

But it is on a "freeware CD".

Arne

On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 11:46:20 AM UTC+13, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 5:09 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:47:56 PM UTC+13, hb wrote:
>>> Emacs version 21.2 is available for VMS on VAX, Alpha and IA64. At least
>>> one of the freeware CDs has the sources for this version.
>>
>> Just a note that Emacs is not freeware <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware>,
>> it is Free software <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software>.
<
> Yes.
>
> But it is on a "freeware CD".

So what is Free software doing on a freeware CD?

On 11/11/2021 4:55 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 11:46:20 AM UTC+13, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 5:09 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:47:56 PM UTC+13, hb wrote:
>>>> Emacs version 21.2 is available for VMS on VAX, Alpha and IA64. At least
>>>> one of the freeware CDs has the sources for this version.
>>>
>>> Just a note that Emacs is not freeware <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware>,
>>> it is Free software <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software>.
> <
>> Yes.
>>
>> But it is on a "freeware CD".
>
> So what is Free software doing on a freeware CD?

Because these particular software is both free as in free speech
and free as in free beer.

Click on the first of your own link and go down to the Venn diagram
in the definition section.

Arne

On 11/10/2021 5:46 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 5:09 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:47:56 PM UTC+13, hb wrote:
>>> Emacs version 21.2 is available for VMS on VAX, Alpha and IA64. At least
>>> one of the freeware CDs has the sources for this version.
>>
>> Just a note that Emacs is not freeware
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware>, it is Free software
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software>.
>
> Yes.
>
> But it is on a "freeware CD".
>
> Arne
>
>

First, you're arguing what is likely semantics. You're also being a bit picky
on definitions.

I do believe that the DEC freeware stuff was/is software that anyone can use,
ie; free, or, free to use.

I just can't believe that you're making an issue of this.

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On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 1:56:41 PM UTC+13, Dave Froble wrote:
> First, you're arguing what is likely semantics.

Guess what “semantics” means ... <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/semantics>

> You're also being a bit picky on definitions.

Think of it as self-defence. Copyright is an inherently picky issue.

On 11/11/21 3:55 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 11:46:20 AM UTC+13, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 5:09 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 10:47:56 PM UTC+13, hb wrote:
>>>> Emacs version 21.2 is available for VMS on VAX, Alpha and IA64. At least
>>>> one of the freeware CDs has the sources for this version.
>>>
>>> Just a note that Emacs is not freeware <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware>,
>>> it is Free software <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software>.
> <
>> Yes.
>>
>> But it is on a "freeware CD".
>
> So what is Free software doing on a freeware CD?

The same reason almond milk is in the dairy section at the grocery store
-- it's the place where stuff like that has always been found since the
time when there was only one kind of stuff. There has not been a new
freeware CD in quite a few years and no one calls open source freeware
anymore or releases software on CDs. But the old releases have some good
software under a variety of licenses, which were always carefully
included when available. So stop trying to pick a fight with people who
were volunteering their time to help other people give away software
under whatever terms were considered appropriate at the time.

On 2021-11-12 01:53:38 +0000, Craig A. Berry said:

> ...it's the place where stuff like that has always been found since the
> time when there was only one kind of stuff. There has not been a new
> freeware CD in quite a few years and no one calls open source freeware
> anymore or releases software on CDs. But the old releases have some
> good software under a variety of licenses, which were always carefully
> included when available. So stop trying to pick a fight with people
> who were volunteering their time to help other people give away
> software under whatever terms were considered appropriate at the time.

OpenVMS Freeware History, Errata:

First Freeware distro was around 1995; roughly a quarter-century ago.
Most recent (and possibly the last?) Freeware distro was V8, shipped
with OpenVMS V8.3.
Mix of GPL, BSD, MIT, and various other licenses, generally with the
source code included, and with binaries for various DEC closed-source
and/or proprietary apps and tools.
It was also used as an archive for some older DEC documentation
including for DECnet, and some other materials.
The pricing (free) was the goal for all eight of the Freeware distributions.
I don't know who came up with the Freeware name, nor how DEC management
was convinced to spend the money on the media and distribution costs.
Unrelated app packages from other nearby parts of DEC included the Open
Source Tools and the Internet Products Suite.
Among the more memorable mastering moments: a text editor included on
the Freeware was flagged around concerns around export controls
compliance for munitions, though was found to be in compliance.
Whoever might ship a Freeware V10.0 gets to figure out how to rework
some of the names and labels. See the [Freeware] directory, etc.

VSI Freeware website: https://vmssoftware.com/community/freeware/

As for the Freeware name, this from the local 2021-era dictionary:

Freeware
noun
Software that is available free of charge.

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I have a version of MicroEMACS 3.9 at https://github.com/william8000/microemacs
It has support for emulating EDT on a vt100-like keypad, and it has an entry point for linking as a callable editor with VAX/VMS MAIL.
It reads files using fabs and rabs with SYS$OPEN() and SYS$GET().
It also works under recent versions of Linux.

On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 8:24:27 PM UTC, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
> On 11/9/2021 3:09 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> > On 11/9/21 3:00 PM, hb wrote:
> >> On 11/9/21 8:08 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> >>> Personally, my favorite editor depends entirely on what system
> >>> I am working on. On RSTS it's EDT. On Unix it's vi. And, on
> >>> any system that supports it, MicroEMACS. VMS I would have to say
> >>> LSE.
> >>
> >> Which version of MicroEMACS?
> >
> > Different versions on different machines. Been a long time and I really
> > don't remember version numbers anyway.
> >
> >> It is available for VMS. It was the first
> >> editor running on VMS/Alpha and x86.
> >>
> >
> > I'm sure it was but VMS had suitable editors at the time I was using it.
> > I do find it hard to believe it was the first editor on VMS/Alpha. No
> > EDT?
> If Hartmut states it, it's almost certainly correct; he doesn't make
> unsubstantiated claims.
>
> --
>
> -- Rob

On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 8:29:04 PM UTC-5, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2021-11-07, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <hel...@asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
> > In article <3dc63091-9f4e-4698...@googlegroups.com>, Slo
> ><slo...@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> Some editors use Ctrl+T to delete the next word, great, but it's awkward
> >> - I need two hands for this - compared to a dedicated keypad key.
>
> I use the EDT keypad in emacs and find it much more quicker and easier
> than typing Ctrl-<this, that and the other>. :-)
>
> >
> > Right. EDT is by far the most efficient editor. And it is much more
> > than just the EDT keypad.
> >
>
> How do you get EDT to show you where the starting brace in the
> current section of code you are working on is (for example) ?

Search backwards for a '{' ?

>
> How do you get EDT to convert spaces to tabs in your code ?
> (tabify in emacs, never checked to see if EVE can do it).

IDK. I'll get back to you on that. Might be able to write a macro that does it.

>
> Can you do a rectangle select in EDT ?

Maybe with a macro. I use EVE on those rare instances when I need it. I also like the overstrike mode in EVE on those few instances when I need it.

>
> Can you show more than one buffer on the screen at the same time
> in EDT ?

Sure. Open more terminal sessions on your workstation! Use your workstation's copy and paste! (~_^)

Can your favorite editor let you define keys without compiling a huge section file? Can you easily look up what any given key combo does? Esp. when done by learn mode? Just asking.

<Sigh>. Another editor war.

Use your favorite. Use the right tool for the job. Different strokes for different folks. Each has its pros and cons.

>
> Does EDT support programming language editing modes ? (I tend not to
> use them, except for some special cases, but some people use them all
> the time).

I doubt it.

>
> Simon.
>
> --
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> Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

AEF

In article <48c3c19d-416a-4c6e-aef1-f697ce8d3332n@googlegroups.com>,
"alanfe...@gmail.com" <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> writes:

> > How do you get EDT to convert spaces to tabs in your code ?

*s| | |w

The first "invisible" parameter is a tab. The second is three spaces;
insert however many you like.

On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:36:21 -0800, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:

>> How do you get EDT to show you where the starting brace in the current
>> section of code you are working on is (for example) ?
>
> Search backwards for a '{' ?

It's a search for the *matching* { - which might be several back. Used
when you've left one out (usually a }) and you can't see where.

>> Can you show more than one buffer on the screen at the same time in EDT
>> ?
>
> Sure. Open more terminal sessions on your workstation! Use your
> workstation's copy and paste! (~_^)

But splitting the screen to show more than one buffer?

>> Does EDT support programming language editing modes ? (I tend not to
>> use them, except for some special cases, but some people use them all
>> the time).
>
> I doubt it.

It doesn't.

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On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 20:41:09 +0000, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)
wrote:

> In article <48c3c19d-416a-4c6e-aef1-f697ce8d3332n@googlegroups.com>,
> "alanfe...@gmail.com" <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> > How do you get EDT to convert spaces to tabs in your code ?
>
> *s| | |w
>
> The first "invisible" parameter is a tab. The second is three spaces;
> insert however many you like.

THt's too simplistic. The number of spaces needed is that required to get
to the next tab stop, and that varies.

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On 11/17/2021 3:36 PM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 8:29:04 PM UTC-5, Simon Clubley wrote:

>> How do you get EDT to convert spaces to tabs in your code ?
>> (tabify in emacs, never checked to see if EVE can do it).

I don't. I write my programs the way I want them to be, and stay.

If you don't make a problem, then you don't have to fix it.

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On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 3:58:22 PM UTC-5, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:36:21 -0800, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> How do you get EDT to show you where the starting brace in the current
> >> section of code you are working on is (for example) ?
> >
> > Search backwards for a '{' ?
> It's a search for the *matching* { - which might be several back. Used
> when you've left one out (usually a }) and you can't see where.

Well, you weren't specific enough.

I actually like Notepad++ for this. I had that at my last job. I have BBEdit now, and it does it too, but it's too quick. Well, I don't write code now or when I had Notepad++, but parentheses come up now and then and I can see it work during those exciting moments.

> >> Can you show more than one buffer on the screen at the same time in EDT
> >> ?
> >
> > Sure. Open more terminal sessions on your workstation! Use your
> > workstation's copy and paste! (~_^)
> But splitting the screen to show more than one buffer?

You missed the emoticon.

> >> Does EDT support programming language editing modes ? (I tend not to
> >> use them, except for some special cases, but some people use them all
> >> the time).
> >
> > I doubt it.
> It doesn't.

Got it! (^_^) I was right!!!

Hey, the last programming I did was in graduate school c. 1985-1990. And it was FORTRAN. We didn't have no stinkin' braces! (^_^)

I've also done a lot of DCL over the years. And I had a multi-year hiatus from it. But I've returned to it to refresh my TO.COM program (command procedure), as the one on the freeware site is way out of date and the download link is broken, to boot.

I did start working my way through a book on c during quiet moments at a previous job, but that was long ago!

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In article <sn3pd5$1ldj$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply))
writes:

> In article <48c3c19d-416a-4c6e-aef1-f697ce8d3332n@googlegroups.com>,
> "alanfe...@gmail.com" <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > > How do you get EDT to convert spaces to tabs in your code ?
>
> *s| | |w
>
> The first "invisible" parameter is a tab. The second is three spaces;
> insert however many you like.

Sorry, backwards! Correct is

*s| | |w

:-)

On 2021-11-17, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Can your favorite editor let you define keys without compiling a huge
> section file? Can you easily look up what any given key combo does? Esp.
> when done by learn mode? Just asking.
>

I have already answered your first question (answer is yes) and posted
EVE examples for you to try.

Someone else has already answered your second question. I don't know if
that includes learn sequences, but I have _never_ needed to see the learn
sequence that I have just entered as I don't care about it after the end
of the current session.

BTW, EVE isn't my favourite editor. It's just that its a lot more powerful
and productive to use on VMS than trying to use EDT. Emacs is an even more
powerful editor however.

Simon.

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On 2021-11-18, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
> In article <sn3pd5$1ldj$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
> helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply))
> writes:
>
>> In article <48c3c19d-416a-4c6e-aef1-f697ce8d3332n@googlegroups.com>,
>> "alanfe...@gmail.com" <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > > How do you get EDT to convert spaces to tabs in your code ?
>>
>> *s| | |w
>>
>> The first "invisible" parameter is a tab. The second is three spaces;
>> insert however many you like.
>
> Sorry, backwards! Correct is
>
> *s| | |w
>

Still no better. The tabify command in emacs converts spaces to tabs
so that they are aligned on tab boundaries.

That means, in a document, the first line might have 3 spaces replaced
by a tab, the second line might have 8 spaces converted to a tab, and
the third line might convert the first 2 spaces to a tab while leaving
the third space on that line as a space character.

Simon.

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In article <sn66tk$rcr$2@dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley
<clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:

> Still no better. The tabify command in emacs converts spaces to tabs
> so that they are aligned on tab boundaries.
>
> That means, in a document, the first line might have 3 spaces replaced
> by a tab, the second line might have 8 spaces converted to a tab, and
> the third line might convert the first 2 spaces to a tab while leaving
> the third space on that line as a space character.

OK. I could probably do it with an EDT macro, but I have never wanted
to commit spaces to tabs. :-|

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 1:39:07 PM UTC-5, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2021-11-17, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Can your favorite editor let you define keys without compiling a huge
> > section file? Can you easily look up what any given key combo does? Esp..
> > when done by learn mode? Just asking.
> >
> I have already answered your first question (answer is yes) and posted
> EVE examples for you to try.

I didn't see any such post. Also my other problem with compiling things in EVE is that I once got "Compilation aborted on line 1." Line 1!!! How am I supposed to debug something with a msg. like that? (My changed line of code was well past line 1.)

AGAIN: Every time I try EVE there's a problem. At remote labs it didn't work _at all_ without a lot of fuss playing with terminal settings and whatnot.. With EDT I don't have such problems. I don't have to wait half a minute to open a huge file just to change the first few lines like I do with EVE. EDT works fine for me. If you need a more powerful editor, fine! I'm not stopping you. I don't need multiple buffers on the screen at the same time in the same session. I don't need all that scripting. I just want to edit some simple DCL. OK? I'm a lowly ex-physicist who wrote a lot of stuff in FORTRAN. I've inspected Pascal code, started learning c, and dabbled a little in existing perl scripts. That's it! I'm not a professional coder! For those who are, use a more powerful editor. I'm okay with that!!!

One time both EDT and EVE failed me! I needed lines longer than 255 chars, but also SET NO TRUNCATE. Neither editor has both. So I had to struggle to get the task done.

The only times I need EVE is for overstrike mode and box editing. The rest of the time I like EDT, esp. now that it is not limited to 22 lines. (Actually, there may be other rare times, like wildcard searches maybe, but it's been a long, long time!)

> Someone else has already answered your second question. I don't know if
> that includes learn sequences, but I have _never_ needed to see the learn
> sequence that I have just entered as I don't care about it after the end
> of the current session.

I didn't see that post either. And I _have_ needed to see saved learn sequences, and it appears you cannot.
Sorry I missed those posts. I'll take another look. (I'm using Google groups, not the best choice, but it's free.)

> BTW, EVE isn't my favourite editor. It's just that its a lot more powerful
> and productive to use on VMS than trying to use EDT. Emacs is an even more
> powerful editor however.
> Simon.

emacs is a finger killer. Most things cannot be done without awkward double double-key commands with Ctrl and Meta. And what the hell is Meta anyway? I'm guessing Esc.

Look. For the umpteenth time, I admit other editors are more powerful. And for the umpteenth time I said that for me it's like using a blow torch to light a candle. That powerful stuff just gets in my way and I'd have to learn it. I haven't done anything in VMS (OpenVMS for future deep-dive searches) for years and only want to update and fix bugs in my TO.COM DCL command procedure, as the current one on the main VSI Freeware page is out of date and the download link is broken. And maybe add a couple of other very small, but useful ones.

I asked in another thread for release notes for the EDT update. I answered some questions about EDT. I did not intend to start an editor war. I just wanted to see the release notes in case I'm missing something more. Oh, the original goal was to find the release notes for the SET DEFAULT fix. Turns out I found the release notes that _mentions_ the problem, and it also gives an example of how SHOW DEFAULT is broken, which still is.

I'm sorry I missed those posts. I'll look again.

>
> --
> Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
> Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

Distant things may be smaller than they appear. I had this experience once driving from the College Park, MD, area to Dulles airport. There was a polyhedral mushroom-shaped building in the distance. It looked huge! When you finally reach it it looks like maybe 1/3 or 1/2 of what you expected to see.

Also, distant things that fill a window appear larger than when you move closer to the window.

Then there's the moon effect!

AEF

On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 12:41:01 AM UTC-5, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 6:27:48 PM UTC+13, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> > It is the most efficient, not the most powerful. :-)
> As in helping you to be the most productive?

It depends on your task. Use the right tool for the job.

On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 1:25:50 PM UTC-5, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2021-11-08, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <hel...@asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
> > In article <b6c4a416-0ccf-4518...@googlegroups.com>,
> >=?UTF-8?Q?Lawrence_D=E2=80=99Oliveiro?= <lawren...@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 6:27:48 PM UTC+13, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> >> > It is the most efficient, not the most powerful. :-)
> >>
> >> As in helping you to be the most productive?
> >
> > Exactly.
> >
> How exactly ?
>
> By today's standards, EDT's limited functionality makes it the
> assembly language version of editors when compared to other editors
> which are fully featured editors.
>
> EDT can't even show more than one window on the screen at the same
> time. How does that make EDT the most productive editor ?
>
> Even EVE can do that, which makes even EVE much more productive than EDT.
> Simon.

Depends on the task. Use the right tool for the job. Don't hire a robot to open a jar.

>
> --
> Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
> Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:20:26 PM UTC-5, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 1:31:19 PM UTC+13, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> > On 11/8/2021 3:30 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 7:53:04 AM UTC+13, Arne Vajhøj
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> EVE is mostly a super set of EDT functionality wise ...
> >>
> >> Except it was never saddled with anything so clunky as a “current
> >> direction” mode ...
> >>
> > ????
> >
> > EVE has direction.
> When I used it, it did not. It had separate commands for movement in forward versus backward directions. Just like any other editor -- except EDT.

Did you have a VT100? The arrow keys on their don't require separate direction keys.
If you have an LK201 (or whatever vt220 and up had) then you could use the Prev Screen and Next Screen buttons.

[...]

AEF

On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 2:04:41 PM UTC-5, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2021-11-09, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <hel...@asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
[...]
> With large files, you are talking about something that might have been
> a problem in the era of MicroVax II machines but it simply isn't a
> problem these days. EVE is also one hell of a lot more efficient at
> handling large files overall anyway because it doesn't need an EDT-style
> workfile.
> Simon.

You mean the journal file? With the journal file you can do a poor man's undo. Exit your editing session with QUIT/SAVE. Then open the .JOU file and remove the bottom line or more. Close it. Then open the original file adding /RECO and you've done undo!

>
> --
> Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
> Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

AEF

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 5:51:56 PM UTC-5, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 2:04:41 PM UTC-5, Simon Clubley wrote:
> > On 2021-11-09, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <hel...@asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
> [...]
[...]
> > workfile.
> > Simon.
>
> You mean the journal file? With the journal file you can do a poor man's undo. Exit your editing session with QUIT/SAVE. Then >open the .JOU file and remove the bottom line or more. Close it. Then open the original file adding /RECO and you've done undo!

I probably should have written, "Then open the original file adding /RECO and you've un-done!"

> >
> > --
> > Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
> > Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.
> AEF

On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 8:59:37 PM UTC-5, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 2:29:04 PM UTC+13, Simon Clubley wrote:
> > Does EDT support programming language editing modes ?
> Or what about multi-file editing ... has it figured that out yet, I wonder?

Yes, you can edit multiple files in the same session. You just need to put them in different buffers. But you can't show multiple files on the screen at the same time.

*incl sys$login:toc.com =toc

e.g.

You can switch between buffers, even going back to the same line you were on! Or you can specify the line number.

(EDT probably had this from its earliest days -- perhaps even day 1. No need to be "snitty" about it. But I'm not an EDT historian. I started using it c. 1985 and I'm pretty sure it had it then.)

$ ed login.com
1 $! Template login.com procedure for DECUServe users.
*incl toc.com =toc
*incl sys$login:tob.com =tob
*show buff
=TOB 1529 lines
TOC 1546 lines
MAIN 1* lines
PASTE No lines

*=main.

will take you back to buffer "main" and put the cursor on the line it was when you switched to a different buffer. (That's what the period does.) You can even define a key combo that does this. GOLD M is typical.

You can even edit the PASTE buffer!!! Yes, that's right. Not only can you cut and paste with EDT; you can actually edit its "clipboard", the PASTE buffer, as, being a buffer, is just another buffer!

To write a buffer to disk, go to that buffer with

=<buffer name>

and use the WRITE command:

*write temp.tmp

Wait, there's yet more! EDT can recognize . . . <drum roll, please . . . final loud drum note> . . . lowercase letters!!! What a surprise, eh?

There's even more. Check the manual.

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