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Wiki edit of http://wiki.synchro.net/module:msglist by digital man:
[Menu Command] Clarify about v3.17 and earlier and v3.20 and later key mapping method
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To: digital man
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: module:msglist
By: digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Thu Jul 20 2023 12:20 pm

So I updated to 3.20 from 3.19x today on my home test system.

i got sbbsctrl.zip sbbs_run and sbbs_dev

then i ran the jsexec update.js or whatever and it said it updated
my user file to the tab format.

after that, i could not login as any existing user. when i created a new user, that one would work, but not the pre-update user.

I had to delete all my users and truncate, login and create sysop user.

did i do something wrong, or is this to be expected?
will makeuser.js work if i try to export my old users, upgrade and then reimport them via makeuser.js ?
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To: MRO
Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
By: MRO to digital man on Fri Jul 21 2023 04:11 pm

> Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: module:msglist
> By: digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Thu Jul 20 2023 12:20 pm
>
> So I updated to 3.20 from 3.19x today on my home test system.
>
> i got sbbsctrl.zip sbbs_run and sbbs_dev
>
> then i ran the jsexec update.js or whatever and it said it updated
> my user file to the tab format.
>
> after that, i could not login as any existing user. when i created a new
> user, that one would work, but not the pre-update user.

You should've stopped right there at "could not login". Did you look at your data/user.tab file and confirm your existing users were in there? Did you confirm you were actually running sbbs v3.20? Did you examine the log output (for any errors) at the time of login attempt?
https://wiki.synchro.net/history:newuserbase

> I had to delete all my users and truncate, login and create sysop user.
>
> did i do something wrong, or is this to be expected?

That is not expected or happening to anyone else, so I suspect you did something wrong.

> will makeuser.js work if i try to export my old users, upgrade and then
> reimport them via makeuser.js ?

Don't do that. Just delete your data/user.tab file and run 'jsexec update' again. That'll run exec/upgrade_to_v320 and import the "old users" into the new file base (user.tab). Or you can can just run exec/upgrade_to_v320 again. Either way.
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Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
By: MRO to digital man on Fri Jul 21 2023 04:11 pm

> i got sbbsctrl.zip sbbs_run and sbbs_dev

sbbs_run.* contains all the same files as sbbsctrl.zip, so that's not necessary.
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To: Digital Man
Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Jul 21 2023 02:58 pm

>
> You should've stopped right there at "could not login". Did you look at your
> data/user.tab file and confirm your existing users were in there? Did you
> confirm you were actually running sbbs v3.20? Did you examine the log output
> (for any errors) at the time of login attempt?
> https://wiki.synchro.net/history:newuserbase
>

yeah i'm running 3.20a https://i.imgur.com/azzLJXJ.png
i didn't look at the log output though.
I didn't look at the user.tab file

what i did was extract sbbs_dev.zip sbbs_run.zip and sbbsctrl.zip on top of my c:\sbbs\ windows install

then i changed dir to sbbs\exec and ran jsexec.exe update.js

https://i.imgur.com/uyEqVgI.png
it looks like it worked ok from the output.
i can unzip my backups and try again and see what logs it outputs.
what log should i look at
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To: Digital Man
Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Jul 21 2023 02:59 pm

> Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
> By: MRO to digital man on Fri Jul 21 2023 04:11 pm
>
> > i got sbbsctrl.zip sbbs_run and sbbs_dev
>
> sbbs_run.* contains all the same files as sbbsctrl.zip, so that's not
> necessary.

i just got 'em all to make sure i'm not missing anything.
nobody died.
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To: MRO
Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
By: MRO to Digital Man on Fri Jul 21 2023 05:49 pm

> Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
> By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Jul 21 2023 02:58 pm
>
>
> > You should've stopped right there at "could not login". Did you look at
> > your data/user.tab file and confirm your existing users were in there?
> > Did you confirm you were actually running sbbs v3.20? Did you examine the
> > log output (for any errors) at the time of login attempt?
> > https://wiki.synchro.net/history:newuserbase
>
>
> yeah i'm running 3.20a https://i.imgur.com/azzLJXJ.png
> i didn't look at the log output though.
> I didn't look at the user.tab file
>
> what i did was extract sbbs_dev.zip sbbs_run.zip and sbbsctrl.zip on top of
> my c:\sbbs\ windows install

sbbsctrl.zip (and sbbs_run.zip) contain stock v3.20 config files (e.g. main.ini), so if you did that, then when you run 'jsexec update.js' it's going to see the v3.20 config files and *not* upgrade to your v3.19 to v3.20.

> then i changed dir to sbbs\exec and ran jsexec.exe update.js

The correct instructions are here: https://wiki.synchro.net/install:dev

They do not include extracting sbbsctrl.zip into your sbbs directory tree.

> https://i.imgur.com/uyEqVgI.png
> it looks like it worked ok from the output.
> i can unzip my backups and try again and see what logs it outputs.
> what log should i look at

The terminal server log output would have the details of any any login failure.
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To: MRO
Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
By: MRO to Digital Man on Fri Jul 21 2023 05:49 pm

> Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
> By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Jul 21 2023 02:59 pm
>
> > Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
> > By: MRO to digital man on Fri Jul 21 2023 04:11 pm
>
> > > i got sbbsctrl.zip sbbs_run and sbbs_dev
>
> > sbbs_run.* contains all the same files as sbbsctrl.zip, so that's not
> > necessary.
>
> i just got 'em all to make sure i'm not missing anything.
> nobody died.

Sure, but the upgrade didn't work either.
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To: Digital Man
Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Jul 21 2023 04:28 pm

>
> > then i changed dir to sbbs\exec and ran jsexec.exe update.js
>
> The correct instructions are here: https://wiki.synchro.net/install:dev

i don't read instructions! i'm a pro

> > https://i.imgur.com/uyEqVgI.png
> > it looks like it worked ok from the output.
> > i can unzip my backups and try again and see what logs it outputs.
> > what log should i look at
>
> The terminal server log output would have the details of any any login
> failure.

it said it converted the 2 users successfully but didn't.
https://i.imgur.com/yNskjah.png

so i looked at this .tab file. are you really sure you want to do this and not use something like csv?
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Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Jul 21 2023 04:29 pm

> > i just got 'em all to make sure i'm not missing anything.
> > nobody died.
>
> Sure, but the upgrade didn't work either.

yeah but it lied to me and said it did.
https://i.imgur.com/yNskjah.png
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Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
By: MRO to Digital Man on Fri Jul 21 2023 06:36 pm

> Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
> By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Jul 21 2023 04:28 pm
>
>
> > > then i changed dir to sbbs\exec and ran jsexec.exe update.js
>
> > The correct instructions are here: https://wiki.synchro.net/install:dev
>
> i don't read instructions! i'm a pro
>
> > > https://i.imgur.com/uyEqVgI.png
> > > it looks like it worked ok from the output.
> > > i can unzip my backups and try again and see what logs it outputs.
> > > what log should i look at
>
> > The terminal server log output would have the details of any any login
> > failure.
>
>
> it said it converted the 2 users successfully but didn't.
> https://i.imgur.com/yNskjah.png
>
> so i looked at this .tab file.

And were the 2 users in there?

> are you really sure you want to do this and not use something like csv?

Yes. Comma-separate data is a bad format.
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Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
By: MRO to Digital Man on Fri Jul 21 2023 06:36 pm

> Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
> By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Jul 21 2023 04:29 pm
>
> > > i just got 'em all to make sure i'm not missing anything.
> > > nobody died.
>
> > Sure, but the upgrade didn't work either.
>
> yeah but it lied to me and said it did.
> https://i.imgur.com/yNskjah.png

Well you did something wrong. <shrug>
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To: Digital Man
Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Jul 21 2023 05:32 pm

> > so i looked at this .tab file.
>
> And were the 2 users in there?
>

I only looked at it after i deleted and truncated the user file. then i created new users.
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To: Digital Man
Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Jul 21 2023 05:33 pm

>
> > yeah but it lied to me and said it did.
> > https://i.imgur.com/yNskjah.png
>
> Well you did something wrong. <shrug>

all i did was unzip the files over existing files and
go to sbbs\exec and run jsexec.exe update.js

sbbsctrl.exe was closed when i did this.
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Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
By: MRO to Digital Man on Sat Jul 22 2023 07:06 am

> Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
> By: Digital Man to MRO on Fri Jul 21 2023 05:33 pm
>
>
> > > yeah but it lied to me and said it did.
> > > https://i.imgur.com/yNskjah.png
>
> > Well you did something wrong. <shrug>
>
> all i did was unzip the files over existing files and
> go to sbbs\exec and run jsexec.exe update.js
>
> sbbsctrl.exe was closed when i did this.

Right, and it then "upgraded" the stock configuration files (you unzipped from sbbsctrl.zip) to v3.20, not *your* configuration files.
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To: Digital Man
Re: 3.19 to 3.20 update
By: Digital Man to MRO on Sat Jul 22 2023 01:09 pm

>
> > all i did was unzip the files over existing files and
> > go to sbbs\exec and run jsexec.exe update.js
>
> > sbbsctrl.exe was closed when i did this.
>
> Right, and it then "upgraded" the stock configuration files (you unzipped
> from sbbsctrl.zip) to v3.20, not *your* configuration files.

this is just a blank test system.
it's not my main bbs. also i always backup before making any changes.

I was just wondering if you knew what was going on. I'll wait until i update my real systems.

relax!
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