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* Looking for a simple, basic, mail-list management solutionLew Pitcher
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 by: Lew Pitcher - Sat, 8 Jul 2023 15:08 UTC

Has anyone here had experience with email mail-list
manager software, and would you be willing to give me
some advice?

I've recently encountered a situation in which I need a
mail-list distribution system for a very low-volume,
very restricted set of users. I've looked at a number of
mail-list solutions (GNU Mailman, Majordomo, etc) and have
found no solution simple enough for my needs.

I run 64bit Slackware 14.2 on the mail system in question,
with the stock Slackware tools (sendmail 8.15.2, python 2.7.17,
perl 5.22.2, apache 2.4.57, php 5.6.40, mariadb 10.0.38,
Berkeley DB 4.2, Berkeley DB 4.4, Berkeley DB 4.8, sqlite 3.13.0,
procmail 3.22, and all the supplied GNU Compilers), and
want to be able to handle less than 10 mail lists, with less
than 10 subscribers per list. I'm not looking for the fancy
bells and whistles, just simple mail redistribution and an
offline archive file for each mail list. Volume is expected
to be less than 10 (outbound) emails per month for any group.

My question is: can you suggest an email mail-list manager
that fits the criteria I outlined above? Simple, basic, and
installable under Slackware 14.2?

Thanks for your suggestions.
--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

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 by: Rich - Sat, 8 Jul 2023 15:15 UTC

Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
> Has anyone here had experience with email mail-list manager software,
> and would you be willing to give me some advice?
>
> I've recently encountered a situation in which I need a mail-list
> distribution system for a very low-volume, very restricted set of
> users. I've looked at a number of mail-list solutions (GNU Mailman,
> Majordomo, etc) and have found no solution simple enough for my
> needs.
>
> I run 64bit Slackware 14.2 on the mail system in question, with the
> stock Slackware tools (sendmail 8.15.2, python 2.7.17, perl 5.22.2,
> apache 2.4.57, php 5.6.40, mariadb 10.0.38, Berkeley DB 4.2, Berkeley
> DB 4.4, Berkeley DB 4.8, sqlite 3.13.0, procmail 3.22, and all the
> supplied GNU Compilers), and want to be able to handle less than 10
> mail lists, with less than 10 subscribers per list. I'm not looking
> for the fancy bells and whistles, just simple mail redistribution and
> an offline archive file for each mail list. Volume is expected to be
> less than 10 (outbound) emails per month for any group.
>
> My question is: can you suggest an email mail-list manager that fits
> the criteria I outlined above? Simple, basic, and installable under
> Slackware 14.2?

http://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/network/mailman/?search=mailman

Mailman is quite reasonably approachable, and there is a slackbuild for
it for 14.2, avoiding much of the need for you to configure/build it
properly.

It should be close to a drop-in install. Worst case you may have a
little configuration to attach it to Apache and to Sendmail.

FWIW I run it (Mailman) on a server I manage for a local org, I
installed via the slackbuild, then just did whatever minimal
configuration was left for Apache and Postfix (once Postfix arrived on
the scene I never ran Sendmail on any of my systems ever again).

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 by: Lew Pitcher - Sat, 8 Jul 2023 15:40 UTC

On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 15:15:29 +0000, Rich wrote:

> Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
>> Has anyone here had experience with email mail-list manager software,
>> and would you be willing to give me some advice?
[snip]
>> My question is: can you suggest an email mail-list manager that fits
>> the criteria I outlined above? Simple, basic, and installable under
>> Slackware 14.2?
>
> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/network/mailman/?search=mailman
>
> Mailman is quite reasonably approachable, and there is a slackbuild for
> it for 14.2, avoiding much of the need for you to configure/build it
> properly.
>
> It should be close to a drop-in install. Worst case you may have a
> little configuration to attach it to Apache and to Sendmail.
>
> FWIW I run it (Mailman) on a server I manage for a local org, I
> installed via the slackbuild, then just did whatever minimal
> configuration was left for Apache and Postfix (once Postfix arrived on
> the scene I never ran Sendmail on any of my systems ever again).

Thanks, Rich.

I just downloaded mailman (v2.1.39, which uses Python v2), and am
preparing to install it. Mailman should easily manage my needs,
but seems bigger and more "full featured" than I need. I will give
it a try.

Thanks again for the suggestion.
--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

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 by: Lew Pitcher - Sat, 8 Jul 2023 16:48 UTC

On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 15:08:48 +0000, Lew Pitcher wrote:

> Has anyone here had experience with email mail-list
> manager software, and would you be willing to give me
> some advice?
[snip]
> My question is: can you suggest an email mail-list manager
> that fits the criteria I outlined above? Simple, basic, and
> installable under Slackware 14.2?

For what it's worth, I've encountered references to "SmartList",
a simple mail-list management utility written by the author of
procmail (Stephen R. van den Berg) and meant to work with procmail
to provide a simple, basic, email mail-list manager.

I tracked down the source code (last updated in 2000) from
https://github.com/procmail-org/SmartList and will evaluate it
along with any other mail list management packages I encounter.
(First impressions: the source code certainly shows it's age: the
supplied utility programs are written in K&R C).

--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

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 by: Rich - Sat, 8 Jul 2023 17:35 UTC

Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 15:08:48 +0000, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>
>> Has anyone here had experience with email mail-list
>> manager software, and would you be willing to give me
>> some advice?
> [snip]
>> My question is: can you suggest an email mail-list manager
>> that fits the criteria I outlined above? Simple, basic, and
>> installable under Slackware 14.2?
>
> For what it's worth, I've encountered references to "SmartList",
> a simple mail-list management utility written by the author of
> procmail (Stephen R. van den Berg) and meant to work with procmail
> to provide a simple, basic, email mail-list manager.
>
> I tracked down the source code (last updated in 2000) from
> https://github.com/procmail-org/SmartList and will evaluate it
> along with any other mail list management packages I encounter.
> (First impressions: the source code certainly shows it's age: the
> supplied utility programs are written in K&R C).

From 2000 I'd not be the least bit surprised. C99 the standard would
have only been out for at most a year or so, and it is doubtful any C
compiler in 2000 had even begun to consider writing any of the patches
necessary to support the C99 standard.

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 by: Rich - Sat, 8 Jul 2023 17:40 UTC

Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 15:15:29 +0000, Rich wrote:
>
>> Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
>>> Has anyone here had experience with email mail-list manager software,
>>> and would you be willing to give me some advice?
> [snip]
>>> My question is: can you suggest an email mail-list manager that fits
>>> the criteria I outlined above? Simple, basic, and installable under
>>> Slackware 14.2?
>>
>> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/network/mailman/?search=mailman
>>
>> Mailman is quite reasonably approachable, and there is a slackbuild for
>> it for 14.2, avoiding much of the need for you to configure/build it
>> properly.
>>
>> It should be close to a drop-in install. Worst case you may have a
>> little configuration to attach it to Apache and to Sendmail.
>>
>> FWIW I run it (Mailman) on a server I manage for a local org, I
>> installed via the slackbuild, then just did whatever minimal
>> configuration was left for Apache and Postfix (once Postfix arrived on
>> the scene I never ran Sendmail on any of my systems ever again).
>
> Thanks, Rich.
>
> I just downloaded mailman (v2.1.39, which uses Python v2), and am
> preparing to install it. Mailman should easily manage my needs,
> but seems bigger and more "full featured" than I need. I will give
> it a try.
>
> Thanks again for the suggestion.

If you are willing to handle subscribing/unsubscribing yourself
manually then a set of group aliases can suffice for a "simple"
mail-list.

I.e., you setup "list-one@example.com" to alias to
"recipient1@yahoo.com" and "recipient2@gmail.com" and
"recipient3@hotmail.com", etc.

But, you then have to manually edit the alias map files (and likely
restart the SMTP server) for any new subscriptions or un-subs.

Mailman (and maybe the other package you found) allow the subscribers
to subscribe/unsubscribe themselves at will. Although you will still
encounter some, no matter how many headers and footers of the emails
say "do this to unsubscribe" who will email the list itself asking to
be unsubscribed.

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 by: Lew Pitcher - Sat, 8 Jul 2023 17:57 UTC

On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 17:40:12 +0000, Rich wrote:

> Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 15:15:29 +0000, Rich wrote:
>>
>>> Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
>>>> Has anyone here had experience with email mail-list manager software,
>>>> and would you be willing to give me some advice?
>> [snip]
>>>> My question is: can you suggest an email mail-list manager that fits
>>>> the criteria I outlined above? Simple, basic, and installable under
>>>> Slackware 14.2?
>>>
>>> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/network/mailman/?search=mailman
>>>
>>> Mailman is quite reasonably approachable, and there is a slackbuild for
>>> it for 14.2, avoiding much of the need for you to configure/build it
>>> properly.
>>>
>>> It should be close to a drop-in install. Worst case you may have a
>>> little configuration to attach it to Apache and to Sendmail.
>>>
>>> FWIW I run it (Mailman) on a server I manage for a local org, I
>>> installed via the slackbuild, then just did whatever minimal
>>> configuration was left for Apache and Postfix (once Postfix arrived on
>>> the scene I never ran Sendmail on any of my systems ever again).
>>
>> Thanks, Rich.
>>
>> I just downloaded mailman (v2.1.39, which uses Python v2), and am
>> preparing to install it. Mailman should easily manage my needs,
>> but seems bigger and more "full featured" than I need. I will give
>> it a try.
>>
>> Thanks again for the suggestion.
>
> If you are willing to handle subscribing/unsubscribing yourself
> manually then a set of group aliases can suffice for a "simple"
> mail-list.
>
> I.e., you setup "list-one@example.com" to alias to
> "recipient1@yahoo.com" and "recipient2@gmail.com" and
> "recipient3@hotmail.com", etc.
>
> But, you then have to manually edit the alias map files (and likely
> restart the SMTP server) for any new subscriptions or un-subs.

For the moment, that's more-or-less how I am handling things. And,
that's why I'm looking at mail-list managers :-)

> Mailman (and maybe the other package you found) allow the subscribers
> to subscribe/unsubscribe themselves at will. Although you will still
> encounter some, no matter how many headers and footers of the emails
> say "do this to unsubscribe" who will email the list itself asking to
> be unsubscribed.

My lists are few and simple, and I know all the recipients personally.
I'm hopeful that I can catch those few "please take me off this list"
emails before they cascade into an avalanche of email fluff.

Thanks again
--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

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 by: Lew Pitcher - Sat, 8 Jul 2023 18:02 UTC

On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 17:35:26 +0000, Rich wrote:

> Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 15:08:48 +0000, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone here had experience with email mail-list
>>> manager software, and would you be willing to give me
>>> some advice?
[snip]
>> I tracked down the source code (last updated in 2000) from
>> https://github.com/procmail-org/SmartList and will evaluate it
>> along with any other mail list management packages I encounter.
>> (First impressions: the source code certainly shows it's age: the
>> supplied utility programs are written in K&R C).
>
> From 2000 I'd not be the least bit surprised. C99 the standard would
> have only been out for at most a year or so, and it is doubtful any C
> compiler in 2000 had even begun to consider writing any of the patches
> necessary to support the C99 standard.

Yah. The initial "standard C" standard came out in 1989, and I imagine
that it took more than a decade for compiler writers and C coders to
catch up. Anyway, as I have time on my hands, and skills to practice,
I might just try converting the K&R C code into C99(-ish) code.

:-)

--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

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 by: Eli the Bearded - Sun, 9 Jul 2023 02:52 UTC

In alt.os.linux.slackware, Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
> For what it's worth, I've encountered references to "SmartList",
> a simple mail-list management utility written by the author of
> procmail (Stephen R. van den Berg) and meant to work with procmail
> to provide a simple, basic, email mail-list manager.
>
> I tracked down the source code (last updated in 2000) from
> https://github.com/procmail-org/SmartList and will evaluate it
> along with any other mail list management packages I encounter.
> (First impressions: the source code certainly shows it's age: the
> supplied utility programs are written in K&R C).

I've used smartlist in the past. It's functional, but not very full
featured. There's every chance it hasn't aged well in the age of
agressive spam filtering from the big email providers (Gmail/Outlook and
I don't knowm who else). The entire procmail ecosystem is written in the
most obtuse C you are ever likely to encounter, so fixing any bug or
adding any feature that needs to be in C is a misery. If you don't have
an actual mailbox configured in your MTA, you'll need to use
sophisticated procmail delivery rules to get smartlist to work. When I
was using smartlist, my MTA was sendmail, and I was using the m4
procmail as MDA ruleset. That's sophisticated enough.

(MTA: mail transfer agent, sends mail between systems;
MDA: mail delivery agent, run by the MTA to handle "last mile" delivery;
MUA: mail user agent, something like mutt or Thunderbird to read mail.)

I've added MIME word decoding capabilities to `formail` but haven't
worked up the stomache to put them in `procmail` (so, you know, you could
match on "专业办" in the Subject instead of the 5LiT5Lia5YqeC part of:
Subject: =?utf-8?B?5LiT5Lia5Yqe55CG6aaZ5riv5bqn5py6LS0t5oyJ5pyI5pS2?=
(just pulling some random thing from today's spam log).

https://github.com/Eli-the-Bearded/procmail-formail

I've never configured a newer mailing list tool like Mailman, but that's
probably the best option at this point in time.

Elijah
------
still using procmail as an MDA

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 by: Henrik Carlqvist - Sun, 9 Jul 2023 08:25 UTC

On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 18:02:11 +0000, Lew Pitcher wrote:
> The initial "standard C" standard came out in 1989,

Yes, that was the one called C89 or C90 or "ansi C".

Before that, there was a language called "B" which Ritche started to
improve and 1971 called "NB". In 1972 the language was renamed "C" and in
1978 the language was described in the book "The C programming Language"
by Kernigan and Ritchie.

10 years later, 1988, a second edition of that book was released,
describing C as defined by the ANSI standard.

The oldest entry in the HISTORY file of SmartList is from 1993, and you
would expect that most would choose ansi C rather than K&R C by then.
However, the version number for that entry is v2.80, so SmartList was
probably initiated long before that.

regards Henrik

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 by: Lew Pitcher - Sun, 9 Jul 2023 14:56 UTC

Hi, Elijah

On Sun, 09 Jul 2023 02:52:51 +0000, Eli the Bearded wrote:

> In alt.os.linux.slackware, Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
>> For what it's worth, I've encountered references to "SmartList",
>> a simple mail-list management utility written by the author of
>> procmail (Stephen R. van den Berg) and meant to work with procmail
>> to provide a simple, basic, email mail-list manager.
[snip]
> I've used smartlist in the past. It's functional, but not very full
> featured. There's every chance it hasn't aged well in the age of
> agressive spam filtering from the big email providers (Gmail/Outlook and
> I don't knowm who else). The entire procmail ecosystem is written in the
> most obtuse C you are ever likely to encounter, so fixing any bug or
> adding any feature that needs to be in C is a misery. If you don't have
> an actual mailbox configured in your MTA, you'll need to use
> sophisticated procmail delivery rules to get smartlist to work.

I've never read the procmail sources. and if the smartlist source is
anything like the procmail source, I never will read the procmail source.

While I grabbed the smartlist source, I probably won't proceed with
evaluating it as a maillist MDA. Apparently, you have to merge the
smartlist source with the procmail source, and compile them as one
package. Given the state of the source code, I don't think that this
is worth my time.

[snip]
> I've added MIME word decoding capabilities to `formail` but haven't
> worked up the stomache to put them in `procmail`
[snip]
> https://github.com/Eli-the-Bearded/procmail-formail

That change looks interesting. I'll check it out more thoroughly later.
Thanks for the pointer.

> I've never configured a newer mailing list tool like Mailman, but that's
> probably the best option at this point in time.

That's the impression I get as well.

--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

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 by: noel - Tue, 11 Jul 2023 08:11 UTC

On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 15:08:48 +0000, Lew Pitcher wrote:

> Has anyone here had experience with email mail-list manager software,
> and would you be willing to give me some advice?
>
> I've recently encountered a situation in which I need a mail-list
> distribution system for a very low-volume,
> very restricted set of users. I've looked at a number of mail-list
> solutions (GNU Mailman, Majordomo, etc) and have found no solution
> simple enough for my needs.
>

google "ecartis" (formerly listar), it hasn't been touched in 20 years,
but doesnt really need to be, doesnt have an archiver, we used hypermail
for that, but for simple quick installs that runs as a normal user and
goes nowhere near root it might suite you better, although, this along
with the other older list software around will be a problem with DMARC,
mailman has workarounds, I only wish all mailman installs would use it.

Also mailman 3 is installable through python directly IIRC, not sure on
the affects that has on slackware, and its very new, so if DMARC
compliance is important, get the latest mailman v2 (2.1.39 is on our gear
from Christmas '21 might be a later version now)

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 by: Lew Pitcher - Tue, 11 Jul 2023 16:03 UTC

On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 18:11:37 +1000, noel wrote:

> On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 15:08:48 +0000, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>
>> Has anyone here had experience with email mail-list manager software,
>> and would you be willing to give me some advice?
>>
>> I've recently encountered a situation in which I need a mail-list
>> distribution system for a very low-volume,
>> very restricted set of users. I've looked at a number of mail-list
>> solutions (GNU Mailman, Majordomo, etc) and have found no solution
>> simple enough for my needs.
>>
>
> google "ecartis" (formerly listar),

Thanks, noel.

I found the homepage, but the download links are dead. There seems
to be an "unofficial mirror" on github that I've now retrieved and
will evaluate.

The lack of an archive file is a show stopper for me, but I might
just be able to add that functionality into the package myself.

[snip]

> Also mailman 3 is installable through python directly IIRC, not sure on
> the affects that has on slackware, and its very new, so if DMARC
> compliance is important, get the latest mailman v2 (2.1.39 is on our gear
> from Christmas '21 might be a later version now)

Mailman 3 requires a version of python not "officially" released for
Slackware 14.2 (the Slackware release I run on the machine in question),
but Mailman 2 can use the python that 14.2 comes with. I haven't got to
Mailman yet, but when I do, I'll use version 2.

Thanks again for your suggestions.
--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

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On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 16:03:31 +0000, Lew Pitcher wrote:
> The lack of an archive file is a show stopper for me, but I might just
> be able to add that functionality into the package myself.

Wouldn't it be a solution to simply add an extra subscriber to the
mailing list and not delete any mails from that "mail archive" account?

regards Henrik

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 by: noel - Wed, 12 Jul 2023 07:51 UTC

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 05:23:50 +0000, Henrik Carlqvist wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 16:03:31 +0000, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>> The lack of an archive file is a show stopper for me, but I might just
>> be able to add that functionality into the package myself.
>
> Wouldn't it be a solution to simply add an extra subscriber to the
> mailing list and not delete any mails from that "mail archive" account?
>
> regards Henrik

I'm strectching the memory but I think it does archive itself, just not
accessible by web which is why we used hypermail, I'll look at a tape...

....taps foot for a looooooong time...

ahh yes, ecartis has list archives under /home/ecartis/archives/list_name/
in there it creates monthly files list_name.year.number_of_month
(thr files appear to be regular mbox format.

To get web archives, we created a virtual host and used hypermail which
was configured per list.

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 by: Joseph Rosevear - Wed, 12 Jul 2023 17:55 UTC

On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 15:08:48 -0000 (UTC), Lew Pitcher wrote:

> Has anyone here had experience with email mail-list manager software,
> and would you be willing to give me some advice?

Hi Lew,

Are you comfortable writing a little code?

Let me tell you about my journey down the *programming* path to a
solution of this problem.

There are two shortcomings with canned solutions: 1. They come with a
burden of obscurity and complexity. 2. They often don't do what you
need.

I had a job in a finance office at a large church, and I needed to send
emails regularly to the staff credit card holders. The emails could be
identical except for the name and email address of the recipients, but
each needed a unique attachment.

I discovered that with a small amount of bash and python I could make a
collection of tools that did what I needed.

I combined a one-shot, email-sending python script (called dupe) that
took six arguments:

# $1 To
# $2 Cc or "-"
# $3 file containing Subject
# $4 file containg the message Body
# $5 file--optional first attachment
# $6 file--optional second attachment

with a sourced bash function (called dribble) which used a list (email)
of the above arguments, one line for each email to be sent.

I could send all the emails in the list with a single command line
invocation:

cat email | dribble eval dupe

Yes, it really worked. Yes, you can send emails using python. No, it
wasn't easy. But it was worth the trouble, and once I got it working I
had a good method that worked well and saved me time.

What was really neat about this solution was how *little* code was
required!

Anyway, that's my story. It may be completely of no interest to you, but
I wanted to put it out there as it was topical.

-Joe

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 by: Lew Pitcher - Wed, 12 Jul 2023 19:57 UTC

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 17:55:52 +0000, Joseph Rosevear wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 15:08:48 -0000 (UTC), Lew Pitcher wrote:
>
>> Has anyone here had experience with email mail-list manager software,
>> and would you be willing to give me some advice?
>
> Hi Lew,

Hi, Joe
> Are you comfortable writing a little code?

More than comfortable :-) I'm a retired programmer
with plenty of time and an insatiable curiosity :-)

> Let me tell you about my journey down the *programming* path to a
> solution of this problem.
[snip]
> Yes, it really worked. Yes, you can send emails using python. No, it
> wasn't easy. But it was worth the trouble, and once I got it working I
> had a good method that worked well and saved me time.
>
> What was really neat about this solution was how *little* code was
> required!

Thanks, Joe, for your experience. With that encouragement, I may just
try my hand at building a tiny mail list manager, if the available
packages don't pan out.

> Anyway, that's my story. It may be completely of no interest to you, but
> I wanted to put it out there as it was topical.

Indeed, it was topical. Glad to see that you found a good solution to
your email distribution problem.

And, thanks again for your input. It does help.
--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

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 by: Joseph Rosevear - Fri, 14 Jul 2023 20:37 UTC

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 19:57:51 -0000 (UTC), Lew Pitcher wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 17:55:52 +0000, Joseph Rosevear wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 15:08:48 -0000 (UTC), Lew Pitcher wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone here had experience with email mail-list manager software,
>>> and would you be willing to give me some advice?
>>
>> Hi Lew,
>
> Hi, Joe
>
>> Are you comfortable writing a little code?
>
> More than comfortable :-) I'm a retired programmer with plenty of time
> and an insatiable curiosity :-)

And we both hang out in a.o.l.s.

I was only once a professional programmer, and that didn't go well. My
programming has always been an adjunct to my other work, although I did
study a little Fortran in college and C++ many years later.

If you want to peek at what I did, here is a link to my dupe:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/dupe/files/

Note that although it *is* my code, it borrows much from code I found
online.

> Thanks, Joe, for your experience. With that encouragement, I may just
> try my hand at building a tiny mail list manager, if the available
> packages don't pan out.

You're welcome!

-Joe

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 by: Joseph Rosevear - Sat, 15 Jul 2023 02:02 UTC

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 19:57:51 -0000 (UTC), Lew Pitcher wrote:

> More than comfortable :-) I'm a retired programmer with plenty of time
> and an insatiable curiosity :-)

Cool!

What sort of programming did you do?

I wonder sometimes what a career in programming would have been like.

-Joe

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 by: Lew Pitcher - Sat, 15 Jul 2023 12:07 UTC

On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 02:02:26 +0000, Joseph Rosevear wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 19:57:51 -0000 (UTC), Lew Pitcher wrote:
>
>> More than comfortable :-) I'm a retired programmer with plenty of time
>> and an insatiable curiosity :-)
>
> Cool!
>
> What sort of programming did you do?

Mostly, I designed, wrote, and maintained banking application software
for a large Canadian bank, but in part of my career, I also wrote and
maintained system-level code for some of the bank's smaller mainframes.

I worked primarily in S390 Assembler and COBOL, and was expected to have
a working knowledge of any of the other languages that the bank used
at the time.

In the middle years of my career, I installed Slackware on a spare
system, and used it for a number of pilot projects, including a
mainframe "print to email" test solution, a bridge between a Novell
Netware network and a TCP/IP network (part of a WfH support task),
and an ODBC-based database query support for one of our internal
applications.

> I wonder sometimes what a career in programming would have been like.

I'm sure that the programming path would have had as many challenges
and rewards as the path you took. For the most part, we "work" in the
fields that we enjoy working in.

Luck be with you, Joe
--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills We Trust"

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 by: Joseph Rosevear - Sat, 15 Jul 2023 17:39 UTC

On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 12:07:04 -0000 (UTC), Lew Pitcher wrote:

> Mostly, I designed, wrote, and maintained banking application software
> for a large Canadian bank, but in part of my career, I also wrote and
> maintained system-level code for some of the bank's smaller mainframes.
>
> I worked primarily in S390 Assembler and COBOL, and was expected to have
> a working knowledge of any of the other languages that the bank used at
> the time.
>
> In the middle years of my career, I installed Slackware on a spare
> system, and used it for a number of pilot projects, including a
> mainframe "print to email" test solution, a bridge between a Novell
> Netware network and a TCP/IP network (part of a WfH support task),
> and an ODBC-based database query support for one of our internal
> applications.

Thank you so much for sharing about your career! I can tell that put your
heart into it. It is interesting that you wrote Assembler. And it is
neat that you found applications for Slackware.

> I'm sure that the programming path would have had as many challenges and
> rewards as the path you took. For the most part, we "work" in the fields
> that we enjoy working in.

That sounds like a good philosophy and probably true, although--lacking
the ability to do it over again and compare--it will remain a puzzle. I
try to live well, and I am thankful for the many opportunities I still
find to program. I get great satisfaction from writing code (mostly
bash). Perhaps it even does me some good, as I have written many useful
tools.

> Luck be with you, Joe

And also with you.

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