Hi

Im trying to make S.u.s.e Linux 5.1 work under Virtualbox.

I got X Windows and Gnome2 work 800x600 with decent color depth

The only thing I can not make it to work is the network interface card:

- it shows up as dummy0 interface ( i set static IP for it )
- i tried autoload kernel modules for network card with the boot disk
but none of them seem to recognize it or load correctly
- in virtualbox I selected PCNet-FAST III (Am79C973)

I also tried to install Virtualbox guest addition tools under Suse 5.1
but for the moment it complains for missing bzip2 ( i tried a few
versions 1.0 , 1.2, etc. but they either give a lot of dependency
requirements ( packages i again do not have on the install iso like
bzip2-libs libc.so.6 libbz2.s0.1 rpmlib or simply says Only Packages
with major numbers < = 3 are supported by this version of RPM

I can not seem to find manuals or admin docs for this version of suse
linux 5.1 either and packages are hard-er to find as well Vs what I thought.

Thanks

Viktor

On 13/06/2021 10.26, Viktor Madarasz wrote:
> Hi
>
> Im trying to make S.u.s.e Linux 5.1 work under Virtualbox.

Wow :-D

I have 5.3 "working" under Vmware Player.

This moment I don't remember what is working on it and what not. I have
not tried to boot it since I migrated my desktop from Intel to AMD, so
it might not work.

> I got X Windows and Gnome2 work 800x600 with decent color depth
>
> The only thing I can not make it to work is the network interface card:
>
> - it shows up as dummy0 interface ( i set static IP for it )
> - i tried autoload kernel modules for network card with the boot disk
> but none of them seem to recognize it or load correctly
> - in virtualbox I selected PCNet-FAST III (Am79C973)
>
> I also tried to install Virtualbox guest addition tools under Suse 5.1
> but for the moment it complains for missing bzip2 ( i tried a few
> versions 1.0 , 1.2, etc.  but they either give a lot of dependency
> requirements ( packages i again do not have on the install iso like
> bzip2-libs libc.so.6 libbz2.s0.1 rpmlib or simply says Only Packages
> with major numbers < = 3 are supported by this version of RPM
>
> I can not seem to find manuals or admin docs for this version of suse
> linux 5.1 either and packages are hard-er to find as well Vs what I
> thought.

I don't have the books (paper) because that version I got from a
magazine (two CDs). The next one I purchased and I have the paper books.

There are some servers out there (gwdg?) that have the old versions on ftp.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Thanks Carlos

I look around those ftp sites.. maybe some did not remove everything
below 6.x

Regards

Viktor

On 6/13/21 12:14 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 13/06/2021 10.26, Viktor Madarasz wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Im trying to make S.u.s.e Linux 5.1 work under Virtualbox.
>
> Wow :-D
>
> I have 5.3 "working" under Vmware Player.
>
> This moment I don't remember what is working on it and what not. I have
> not tried to boot it since I migrated my desktop from Intel to AMD, so
> it might not work.
>
>
>> I got X Windows and Gnome2 work 800x600 with decent color depth
>>
>> The only thing I can not make it to work is the network interface card:
>>
>> - it shows up as dummy0 interface ( i set static IP for it )
>> - i tried autoload kernel modules for network card with the boot disk
>> but none of them seem to recognize it or load correctly
>> - in virtualbox I selected PCNet-FAST III (Am79C973)
>>
>> I also tried to install Virtualbox guest addition tools under Suse 5.1
>> but for the moment it complains for missing bzip2 ( i tried a few
>> versions 1.0 , 1.2, etc.  but they either give a lot of dependency
>> requirements ( packages i again do not have on the install iso like
>> bzip2-libs libc.so.6 libbz2.s0.1 rpmlib or simply says Only Packages
>> with major numbers < = 3 are supported by this version of RPM
>>
>> I can not seem to find manuals or admin docs for this version of suse
>> linux 5.1 either and packages are hard-er to find as well Vs what I
>> thought.
>
> I don't have the books (paper) because that version I got from a
> magazine (two CDs). The next one I purchased and I have the paper books.
>
> There are some servers out there (gwdg?) that have the old versions on ftp.
>

Am 13.06.21 um 13:12 schrieb Viktor Madarasz:
>
> I look around those ftp sites.. maybe some did not remove everything
> below 6.x

Hallo,

siehe:
https://archive.org/details/SUSELinux5.1I386

Bernd Mayer

Viktor Madarasz wrote:
> Hi
>
> Im trying to make S.u.s.e Linux 5.1 work under Virtualbox.
>
> I got X Windows and Gnome2 work 800x600 with decent color depth
>
> The only thing I can not make it to work is the network interface card:
>
> - it shows up as dummy0 interface ( i set static IP for it )
> - i tried autoload kernel modules for network card with the boot disk
> but none of them seem to recognize it or load correctly
> - in virtualbox I selected PCNet-FAST III (Am79C973)
>
> I also tried to install Virtualbox guest addition tools under Suse 5.1
> but for the moment it complains for missing bzip2 ( i tried a few
> versions 1.0 , 1.2, etc.  but they either give a lot of dependency
> requirements ( packages i again do not have on the install iso like
> bzip2-libs libc.so.6 libbz2.s0.1 rpmlib or simply says Only Packages
> with major numbers < = 3 are supported by this version of RPM
>
> I can not seem to find manuals or admin docs for this version of suse
> linux 5.1 either and packages are hard-er to find as well Vs what I
> thought.
>
> Thanks
>
> Viktor

I have most SUSE levels from around then, but my oldest one was 5.2 and
that particular manual is in German. Are you sure that network card
existed back then? The AMD documentation PDF I found online is from
1999 and SUSE 5.2 was from 1998.
There is nothing in the manuals (5.2, 5.3, 6.1, 6.2, 6.4) about that
network card but that could simply mean it worked without being configured.

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 04:26:26 -0400, Viktor Madarasz <viktor.madarasz.com@gmail.com> wrote:
> Im trying to make S.u.s.e Linux 5.1 work under Virtualbox.

Why? Getting ready for 25th anniversary?

> I got X Windows and Gnome2 work 800x600 with decent color depth
>
> The only thing I can not make it to work is the network interface card:

Probably not impossible, not definitely not going to be easy and won't work
with vb without hacking it.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux version 5.1 was release
in 1997.

The virtualbox guest additions have to work in concert with the version of vb
running on the host.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualBox the very first release of
vb was in 2007, a decade later.

As a kernel from 1997 likely did not support dynamic device creation, you'd have to
have the appropriate files in /dev, and a hacked version of the vb guest kernel
modules that work with the 1997 suse linux kernel, or a hacked version of that
kernel to work with the vb guest modules.

Unless you have experience with kernel development, I wouldn't even consider trying
to do it.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On 6/13/21 3:20 PM, Bernd Mayer wrote:
> Am 13.06.21 um 13:12 schrieb Viktor Madarasz:
>>
>> I look around those ftp sites.. maybe some did not remove everything
>> below 6.x
>
> Hallo,
>
> siehe:
> https://archive.org/details/SUSELinux5.1I386
>
>
> Bernd Mayer

Thanks.. Thats the one I used as installer tough it contains no bzip2
package for Suse 5.1 unfortunatelly

On 6/13/21 5:23 PM, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 04:26:26 -0400, Viktor Madarasz
> <viktor.madarasz.com@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Im trying to make S.u.s.e Linux 5.1 work under Virtualbox.
>
> Why? Getting ready for 25th anniversary?
>
>> I got X Windows and Gnome2 work 800x600 with decent color depth
>>
>> The only thing I can not make it to work is the network interface card:
>
> Probably not impossible, not definitely not going to be easy and won't work
> with vb without hacking it.
>
> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux version 5.1 was
> release
> in 1997.
>
> The virtualbox guest additions have to work in concert with the version
> of vb
> running on the host.
>
> According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualBox the very first
> release of
> vb was in 2007, a decade later.
>
> As a kernel from 1997 likely did not support dynamic device creation,
> you'd have to
> have the appropriate files in /dev, and a hacked version of the vb guest
> kernel
> modules that work with the 1997 suse linux kernel, or a hacked version
> of that
> kernel to work with the vb guest modules.
>
> Unless you have experience with kernel development, I wouldn't even
> consider trying
> to do it.
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>

No not for the 25th anniversary .. tough it could be
I wanted to try out Applixware Office Suite ( i had on a separate ISO
came bundled with the same Suse 5.1 release .. I did install and
Applixware office indeed works correctly under 5.1 ( I think the
Applixware 4.7.3 documentation said Suse <= 5.1 hence me trying the Suse
5.1 in Virtualbox )

No, no experience with kernel development at all unfortunatelly ... I
guess networking will be a problem then .. Well I can always install it
on an IBM S50 I have laying here to run it on Bare Metal for a change

Viktor

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 13:43:55 -0400, Viktor Madarasz <viktor.madarasz.com@gmail.com> wrote:
> No, no experience with kernel development at all unfortunatelly ... I
> guess networking will be a problem then .. Well I can always install it
> on an IBM S50 I have laying here to run it on Bare Metal for a change

Given the age of the os, make very sure it's well protected from outside access
and uses only fully trusted sites on the internet.

You can be guaranteed that ipv6 only sites will not be accessible. Changes in how
dns works may also mean using /etc/hosts (or whatever suse uses) inside the guest
for all name resolution. Likely only http with no https too, due to incompatible
rootcerts, etc.

I have no experience with suse.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On 6/13/21 8:26 PM, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 13:43:55 -0400, Viktor Madarasz
> <viktor.madarasz.com@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No, no experience with kernel development at all unfortunatelly ... I
>> guess networking will be a problem then .. Well I can always install it
>> on an IBM S50 I have laying here to run it on Bare Metal for a change
>
> Given the age of the os, make very sure it's well protected from outside
> access
> and uses only fully trusted sites on the internet.
>
> You can be guaranteed that ipv6 only sites will not be accessible.
> Changes in how
> dns works may also mean using /etc/hosts (or whatever suse uses) inside
> the guest
> for all name resolution. Likely only http with no https too, due to
> incompatible
> rootcerts, etc.
>
> I have no experience with suse.
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>

You are right.
I do have to put a separate pfsense virtual appliance to shield it away
from all evil.

No suse experience here either.. Im more of a Red
Hat/Centos/Fedora/Almalinux person myself

R

Viktor