On 12/15/2021 4:42 PM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> In article <spdclc$9if$1@dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley
> <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:
>
>> On 2021-12-14, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
>>> In article <spaug5$8ji$4@dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley
>>> <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-12-13, Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone use VMS mail to anything *at all* today?
>>>>> The ony use, as I see it, is to sent messages *from*
>>>>> a VMS system.
>>>>
>>>> The vast majority of the time I don't. It's just that when I
>>>> _do_ receive mail on a VMS system, it would be nice to have
>>>> better standard tools to reply to it.
>>>
>>> Is REPLY/ALL all that you miss?
>>>
>>
>> Quoted replies
>
> From my EDTINI.EDT:
>
> !From: SMTP%"FAIRFIELD@slac.stanford.edu" 17-NOV-1995 11:49:25.89
> DEFINE MACRO QUOTE
> FIND BUFFER QUOTE
> insert;set quiet
> insert;change; er -l 9999(i> ^Z -2l) ex
> insert;set noquiet
> FIND LAST
> DEFINE KEY GOLD Q AS "EXT QUOTE."
>
> If I want to quote a message, I hit GOLD Q in EDT. I want to choose
> whether to quote (i.e. prefix each line with some symbol) each message I
> reply to, forward, etc.

I got some TPU code doing something similar:
- quote with string from logical
- include short or long signature files via logical based on whether
VMS mail or internet email

I suspect most have something.

Arne

In article <13ac0d16-c9eb-40fe-b36a-c2341f352c3fn@googlegroups.com>,
Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> writes:

> > [...] I usually do REPLY then cut-and-paste what is in the CC field.
> > [...]
>
> Same here. That X Windows stuff is a miracle.

Some terminals also offer cut and paste. But it is easier with
DECwindows.

In article <61ba8070$0$703$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
=?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=c3=b8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:

> >>>>> Does anyone use VMS mail to anything *at all* today?
> >>>>> The ony use, as I see it, is to sent messages *from*
> >>>>> a VMS system.
> >>>>
> >>>> The vast majority of the time I don't. It's just that when I
> >>>> _do_ receive mail on a VMS system, it would be nice to have
> >>>> better standard tools to reply to it.
> >>>
> >>> Is REPLY/ALL all that you miss?
> >>
> >> Quoted replies
> >
> > From my EDTINI.EDT:
> >
> > !From: SMTP%"FAIRFIELD@slac.stanford.edu" 17-NOV-1995 11:49:25.89
> > DEFINE MACRO QUOTE
> > FIND BUFFER QUOTE
> > insert;set quiet
> > insert;change; er -l 9999(i> ^Z -2l) ex
> > insert;set noquiet
> > FIND LAST
> > DEFINE KEY GOLD Q AS "EXT QUOTE."
> >
> > If I want to quote a message, I hit GOLD Q in EDT. I want to choose
> > whether to quote (i.e. prefix each line with some symbol) each message I
> > reply to, forward, etc.
>
> I got some TPU code doing something similar:
> - quote with string from logical
> - include short or long signature files via logical based on whether
> VMS mail or internet email

Yes, I have stuff like that as well. My EDTINI.EDT is about 650 lines.
Much of that has to do with MAIL.

On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 7:46:32 AM UTC-5, VAXman- wrote:
> In article <sp9al1$1jf0$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, hel...@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)) writes:
> >In article <sp8j89$cti$1...@dont-email.me>,
> >=?UTF-8?Q?Jan-Erik_S=c3=b6derholm?= <jan-erik....@telia.com>
> >writes:
> >
> >> Hm... I was also just going to "reply" to that.
> >> Why on earth does *VMS* mail need any updates?
> >> Does anyone use VMS mail to anything *at all* today?
> >> The ony use, as I see it, is to sent messages *from*
> >> a VMS system.
> >
> >?????
> >
> >I have been using VMS MAIL for everything since 1991. I send a few and
> >receive dozens of messages per day. I run a moderation relay for two
> >newsgroups.
> >
> >I have used, at work, pine, elm, Lotus Notes, Outlook and so on and am
> >MUCH more comfortable with VMS MAIL.
> >
> >Different strokes for different folks.
> >
> >Of course, you need a proper keyboard to really experience the thrill.
> >:-)
> I too do most of my email on VMS. When emails are HTML or base64 encoded,
> I read them on my Mac or Linux. The crux of what I get these days is SPAM.
> It's easier to delete a large volume of email on VMS than it is on most of
> the GUI mail toys. The worst is the Gmail on my Android tablet. I almost
> never use the Gmail and it receives pretty much nothing but SPAM. DELETE,
> DELETE, DELETE ad infinitum. If only it had a DELETE/ALL.
>

Click the checkbox in the column headings. That will check all e-mails. Then you can click delete.

There's also a pulldown in the checkbox column heading which lets you select various sets of e-mails.

It's not as good as a CLI could be but, it's better than nothing.

In article <d638bba5-ab2e-439b-803c-eef33ad56a8bn@googlegroups.com>, John Vottero <john@vottero.com> writes:
>On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 7:46:32 AM UTC-5, VAXman- wrote:
>> In article <sp9al1$1jf0$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, hel...@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)) writes:
>> >In article <sp8j89$cti$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> >=?UTF-8?Q?Jan-Erik_S=c3=b6derholm?= <jan-erik....@telia.com>
>> >writes:
>> >
>> >> Hm... I was also just going to "reply" to that.
>> >> Why on earth does *VMS* mail need any updates?
>> >> Does anyone use VMS mail to anything *at all* today?
>> >> The ony use, as I see it, is to sent messages *from*
>> >> a VMS system.
>> >
>> >?????
>> >
>> >I have been using VMS MAIL for everything since 1991. I send a few and
>> >receive dozens of messages per day. I run a moderation relay for two
>> >newsgroups.
>> >
>> >I have used, at work, pine, elm, Lotus Notes, Outlook and so on and am
>> >MUCH more comfortable with VMS MAIL.
>> >
>> >Different strokes for different folks.
>> >
>> >Of course, you need a proper keyboard to really experience the thrill.
>> >:-)
>> I too do most of my email on VMS. When emails are HTML or base64 encoded,
>> I read them on my Mac or Linux. The crux of what I get these days is SPAM.
>> It's easier to delete a large volume of email on VMS than it is on most of
>> the GUI mail toys. The worst is the Gmail on my Android tablet. I almost
>> never use the Gmail and it receives pretty much nothing but SPAM. DELETE,
>> DELETE, DELETE ad infinitum. If only it had a DELETE/ALL.
>>
>
>Click the checkbox in the column headings. That will check all e-mails. Then you can click delete.

Have you ever used Gmail on an Android tablet? There's no column checkbox!

>There's also a pulldown in the checkbox column heading which lets you select various sets of e-mails.

No checkbox column.

>It's not as good as a CLI could be but, it's better than nothing.

If it existed, it might be.

--
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I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

On 2021-12-15, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
>
> If I want to quote a message, I hit GOLD Q in EDT. I want to choose
> whether to quote (i.e. prefix each line with some symbol) each message I
> reply to, forward, etc.
>
> Has served me well for more than a quarter of a century. Thanks Ken!
>

Nice example. :-)

Have you got an integrated MIME macro while you are at it ? :-)

Simon.

--
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Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

In article <spg0iq$drf$1@dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley
<clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:

> On 2021-12-15, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
> >
> > If I want to quote a message, I hit GOLD Q in EDT. I want to choose
> > whether to quote (i.e. prefix each line with some symbol) each message I
> > reply to, forward, etc.
> >
> > Has served me well for more than a quarter of a century. Thanks Ken!
> >
>
> Nice example. :-)
>
> Have you got an integrated MIME macro while you are at it ? :-)

Not exactly, though I have for base-64 decoding.

In article <spg0no$1jg3$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply))
writes:

> In article <spg0iq$drf$1@dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley
> <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:
>
> > On 2021-12-15, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > If I want to quote a message, I hit GOLD Q in EDT. I want to choose
> > > whether to quote (i.e. prefix each line with some symbol) each message I
> > > reply to, forward, etc.
> > >
> > > Has served me well for more than a quarter of a century. Thanks Ken!
> > >
> >
> > Nice example. :-)
> >
> > Have you got an integrated MIME macro while you are at it ? :-)
>
> Not exactly, though I have for base-64 decoding.

I mean quoted-printable. The few mime things I need I decode "by hand"
with a script.

On 2021-12-15, Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> wrote:
> Den 2021-12-15 kl. 19:37, skrev Simon Clubley:
>>
>> I don't use VMS mail all that much these days but when I do receive
>> an email on a VMS system, it immediately becomes very clear just how
>> primitive VMS mail actually is.
>>
>> Following on from a suggestion in another response, I wonder if VSI
>> would be interested in shipping Pine (or whatever it is called these
>> days) as a standard part of VMS.
>
> If they have a business case doing that, that is, if it improves the
> "bottom line" for VSI, I hope they do that. But does that business case
> really exist? Are there paying custumers asking VSI for an improved mail?
>

Pine/Alpine is actually an open source email client and it might be
nice to ship and install a range of open source utilities as a part
of the VMS installation so you know they are guaranteed to exist.

Simon.

--
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

On 12/16/21 1:38 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2021-12-15, Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> wrote:
>> Den 2021-12-15 kl. 19:37, skrev Simon Clubley:
>>>
>>> I don't use VMS mail all that much these days but when I do receive
>>> an email on a VMS system, it immediately becomes very clear just how
>>> primitive VMS mail actually is.
>>>
>>> Following on from a suggestion in another response, I wonder if VSI
>>> would be interested in shipping Pine (or whatever it is called these
>>> days) as a standard part of VMS.
>>
>> If they have a business case doing that, that is, if it improves the
>> "bottom line" for VSI, I hope they do that. But does that business case
>> really exist? Are there paying custumers asking VSI for an improved mail?
>>
>
> Pine/Alpine is actually an open source email client and it might be
> nice to ship and install a range of open source utilities as a part
> of the VMS installation so you know they are guaranteed to exist.
>

I used PINE on VMS for pretty much all of email and USENET News
back in the VMS days. One of my professors still uses PINE on
Unix. At least he was still using it when I retired and knowing
how he hates change I figure he is still using it.

bill

On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 9:03:04 AM UTC-5, VAXman- wrote:
> In article <d638bba5-ab2e-439b...@googlegroups.com>, John Vottero <jo...@vottero.com> writes:
> >On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 7:46:32 AM UTC-5, VAXman- wrote:
> >> In article <sp9al1$1jf0$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, hel...@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)) writes:
> >> >In article <sp8j89$cti$1...@dont-email.me>,
> >> >=?UTF-8?Q?Jan-Erik_S=c3=b6derholm?= <jan-erik....@telia.com>
> >> >writes:
> >> >
> >> >> Hm... I was also just going to "reply" to that.
> >> >> Why on earth does *VMS* mail need any updates?
> >> >> Does anyone use VMS mail to anything *at all* today?
> >> >> The ony use, as I see it, is to sent messages *from*
> >> >> a VMS system.
> >> >
> >> >?????
> >> >
> >> >I have been using VMS MAIL for everything since 1991. I send a few and
> >> >receive dozens of messages per day. I run a moderation relay for two
> >> >newsgroups.
> >> >
> >> >I have used, at work, pine, elm, Lotus Notes, Outlook and so on and am
> >> >MUCH more comfortable with VMS MAIL.
> >> >
> >> >Different strokes for different folks.
> >> >
> >> >Of course, you need a proper keyboard to really experience the thrill.
> >> >:-)
> >> I too do most of my email on VMS. When emails are HTML or base64 encoded,
> >> I read them on my Mac or Linux. The crux of what I get these days is SPAM.
> >> It's easier to delete a large volume of email on VMS than it is on most of
> >> the GUI mail toys. The worst is the Gmail on my Android tablet. I almost
> >> never use the Gmail and it receives pretty much nothing but SPAM. DELETE,
> >> DELETE, DELETE ad infinitum. If only it had a DELETE/ALL.
> >>
> >
> >Click the checkbox in the column headings. That will check all e-mails. Then you can click delete.
> Have you ever used Gmail on an Android tablet? There's no column checkbox!
> >There's also a pulldown in the checkbox column heading which lets you select various sets of e-mails.
> No checkbox column.
> >It's not as good as a CLI could be but, it's better than nothing.
> If it existed, it might be.
> --
> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
>
> I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

Sorry, you're using the GMail app. I was talking about the browser client.

In the GMail app, click the "hamburger" icon in the top, left and then pick "All Mail". Then click Delete.

On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 10:23:35 PM UTC-5, John Vottero wrote:
> On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 9:03:04 AM UTC-5, VAXman- wrote:
> > In article <d638bba5-ab2e-439b...@googlegroups.com>, John Vottero <jo...@vottero.com> writes:
> > >On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 7:46:32 AM UTC-5, VAXman- wrote:
> > >> In article <sp9al1$1jf0$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, hel...@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)) writes:
> > >> >In article <sp8j89$cti$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > >> >=?UTF-8?Q?Jan-Erik_S=c3=b6derholm?= <jan-erik....@telia.com>
> > >> >writes:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Hm... I was also just going to "reply" to that.
> > >> >> Why on earth does *VMS* mail need any updates?
> > >> >> Does anyone use VMS mail to anything *at all* today?
> > >> >> The ony use, as I see it, is to sent messages *from*
> > >> >> a VMS system.
> > >> >
> > >> >?????
> > >> >
> > >> >I have been using VMS MAIL for everything since 1991. I send a few and
> > >> >receive dozens of messages per day. I run a moderation relay for two
> > >> >newsgroups.
> > >> >
> > >> >I have used, at work, pine, elm, Lotus Notes, Outlook and so on and am
> > >> >MUCH more comfortable with VMS MAIL.
> > >> >
> > >> >Different strokes for different folks.
> > >> >
> > >> >Of course, you need a proper keyboard to really experience the thrill.
> > >> >:-)
> > >> I too do most of my email on VMS. When emails are HTML or base64 encoded,
> > >> I read them on my Mac or Linux. The crux of what I get these days is SPAM.
> > >> It's easier to delete a large volume of email on VMS than it is on most of
> > >> the GUI mail toys. The worst is the Gmail on my Android tablet. I almost
> > >> never use the Gmail and it receives pretty much nothing but SPAM. DELETE,
> > >> DELETE, DELETE ad infinitum. If only it had a DELETE/ALL.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Click the checkbox in the column headings. That will check all e-mails. Then you can click delete.
> > Have you ever used Gmail on an Android tablet? There's no column checkbox!
> > >There's also a pulldown in the checkbox column heading which lets you select various sets of e-mails.
> > No checkbox column.
> > >It's not as good as a CLI could be but, it's better than nothing.
> > If it existed, it might be.
> > --
> > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
> >
> > I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
> Sorry, you're using the GMail app. I was talking about the browser client.
>
> In the GMail app, click the "hamburger" icon in the top, left and then pick "All Mail". Then click Delete.

Sorry again, even that is wrong. That shows you all mail but doesn't select it.

It looks like you're right. Only option is to use a browser.

In article <d97c1624-f151-4a55-a489-675c3075ae83n@googlegroups.com>, John Vottero <john@vottero.com> writes:
>On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 9:03:04 AM UTC-5, VAXman- wrote:
>> In article <d638bba5-ab2e-439b...@googlegroups.com>, John Vottero <jo...@vottero.com> writes:
>> >On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 7:46:32 AM UTC-5, VAXman- wrote:
>> >> In article <sp9al1$1jf0$2...@gioia.aioe.org>, hel...@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)) writes:
>> >> >In article <sp8j89$cti$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> >> >=?UTF-8?Q?Jan-Erik_S=c3=b6derholm?= <jan-erik....@telia.com>
>> >> >writes:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hm... I was also just going to "reply" to that.
>> >> >> Why on earth does *VMS* mail need any updates?
>> >> >> Does anyone use VMS mail to anything *at all* today?
>> >> >> The ony use, as I see it, is to sent messages *from*
>> >> >> a VMS system.
>> >> >
>> >> >?????
>> >> >
>> >> >I have been using VMS MAIL for everything since 1991. I send a few and
>> >> >receive dozens of messages per day. I run a moderation relay for two
>> >> >newsgroups.
>> >> >
>> >> >I have used, at work, pine, elm, Lotus Notes, Outlook and so on and am
>> >> >MUCH more comfortable with VMS MAIL.
>> >> >
>> >> >Different strokes for different folks.
>> >> >
>> >> >Of course, you need a proper keyboard to really experience the thrill.
>> >> >:-)
>> >> I too do most of my email on VMS. When emails are HTML or base64 encoded,
>> >> I read them on my Mac or Linux. The crux of what I get these days is SPAM.
>> >> It's easier to delete a large volume of email on VMS than it is on most of
>> >> the GUI mail toys. The worst is the Gmail on my Android tablet. I almost
>> >> never use the Gmail and it receives pretty much nothing but SPAM. DELETE,
>> >> DELETE, DELETE ad infinitum. If only it had a DELETE/ALL.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Click the checkbox in the column headings. That will check all e-mails. Then you can click delete.
>> Have you ever used Gmail on an Android tablet? There's no column checkbox!
>> >There's also a pulldown in the checkbox column heading which lets you select various sets of e-mails.
>> No checkbox column.
>> >It's not as good as a CLI could be but, it's better than nothing.
>> If it existed, it might be.
>> --
>> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
>>
>> I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
>
>Sorry, you're using the GMail app. I was talking about the browser client.
>
>In the GMail app, click the "hamburger" icon in the top, left and then pick "All Mail". Then click Delete.

No hamburger or cheesesteak or bratwurst or frankfurter icons.

--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG

I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

In article <00B6D6B6.6A67BDA7@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-
@SendSpamHere.ORG writes:

> >Sorry, you're using the GMail app. I was talking about the browser client.
> >
> >In the GMail app, click the "hamburger" icon in the top, left and then pick "All Mail". Then click Delete.
>
> No hamburger or cheesesteak or bratwurst or frankfurter icons.

Do Apple users have a Big Mac instead of just a hamburger?

In article <spicnu$a07$1@gioia.aioe.org>, helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)) writes:
>In article <00B6D6B6.6A67BDA7@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-
>@SendSpamHere.ORG writes:
>
>> >Sorry, you're using the GMail app. I was talking about the browser client.
>> >
>> >In the GMail app, click the "hamburger" icon in the top, left and then pick "All Mail". Then click Delete.
>>
>> No hamburger or cheesesteak or bratwurst or frankfurter icons.
>
>Do Apple users have a Big Mac instead of just a hamburger?

I wouldn't know as I don't consume so-called fast food. I ate McD's just
once when in college and spent three days in hospital with food poisoning.
Never again.
--
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I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

On 12/14/2021 2:38 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 12/14/2021 3:20 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> It's a pity that DEC/HPE never shipped a more modern command line
>> mail client as a standard part of VMS so that we could use that while
>> people like you who are happy with the current client could continue
>> to use that.
>
> PMDF comes with an enhanced VT email client.
>
> Not sure if it supports REPLY/ALL though.
>

It does. It also supports MIME messages just fine. PMDF MAIL looks like
VMS MAIL. It is effectively VMS MAIL with pretty much everything you
might wish VMS MAIL offered. 8-)

https://www.process.com/products/pmdf/

--
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------
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goathunter@goatley.com http://hunter.goatley.com/

In article <sq2d7l$nns$1@dont-email.me>, Hunter Goatley
<goathunter@goatley.com> writes:

> On 12/14/2021 2:38 PM, Arne VajhÞj wrote:
> > On 12/14/2021 3:20 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> >> It's a pity that DEC/HPE never shipped a more modern command line
> >> mail client as a standard part of VMS so that we could use that while
> >> people like you who are happy with the current client could continue
> >> to use that.
> >
> > PMDF comes with an enhanced VT email client.
> >
> > Not sure if it supports REPLY/ALL though.
>
> It does. It also supports MIME messages just fine. PMDF MAIL looks like
> VMS MAIL. It is effectively VMS MAIL with pretty much everything you
> might wish VMS MAIL offered. 8-)
>
> https://www.process.com/products/pmdf/

I used it a bit at work, usually without realizing it. When it is
installed, is VMS MAIL used at all, or does the interface just look like
VMS MAIL but with some extensions? Will anything (DCL script, say)
which works in VMS MAIL work exactly the same in PMDF?

On 12/23/2021 1:32 PM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> In article <sq2d7l$nns$1@dont-email.me>, Hunter Goatley
> <goathunter@goatley.com> writes:
>
>> On 12/14/2021 2:38 PM, Arne VajhÞj wrote:
>>> PMDF comes with an enhanced VT email client.
>>>
>>> Not sure if it supports REPLY/ALL though.
>>
>> It does. It also supports MIME messages just fine. PMDF MAIL looks like
>> VMS MAIL. It is effectively VMS MAIL with pretty much everything you
>> might wish VMS MAIL offered. 8-)
>>
>> https://www.process.com/products/pmdf/
>
> I used it a bit at work, usually without realizing it. When it is
> installed, is VMS MAIL used at all, or does the interface just look like
> VMS MAIL but with some extensions? Will anything (DCL script, say)
> which works in VMS MAIL work exactly the same in PMDF?
>

It is a look-alike VMS MAIL replacement. Under the hood, it uses the
callable MAIL$ routines, but it is a completely separate utility.

I would expect everything---or most everything---that works in VMS MAIL
would work the same way in PMDF MAIL. PMDF MAIL adds qualifiers to
commands, but it doesn't change them, so a DCL procedure that uses VMS
MAIL should work fine with PMDF MAIL.

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On 12/23/2021 1:38 PM, Hunter Goatley wrote:
> PMDF MAIL adds qualifiers to
> commands, but it doesn't change them, so a DCL procedure that uses VMS
> MAIL should work fine with PMDF MAIL.
>
To clarify, PMDF MAIL is invoked with the command PMDF MAIL, so unless
you as system manager do something to change that, any references to
MAIL in command procedures would continue to invoke VMS MAIL.

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On 2021-12-23, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote:
> On 12/14/2021 2:38 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 12/14/2021 3:20 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> It's a pity that DEC/HPE never shipped a more modern command line
>>> mail client as a standard part of VMS so that we could use that while
>>> people like you who are happy with the current client could continue
>>> to use that.
>>
>> PMDF comes with an enhanced VT email client.
>>
>> Not sure if it supports REPLY/ALL though.
>>
>
> It does. It also supports MIME messages just fine. PMDF MAIL looks like
> VMS MAIL. It is effectively VMS MAIL with pretty much everything you
> might wish VMS MAIL offered. 8-)
>
> https://www.process.com/products/pmdf/
>

I've just looked at the help within PMDF MAIL on Eisner.

A person could spend a day playing with all those options. :-)

Have you considered selling it to VSI for use as the standard
VMS MAIL replacement ? :-)

Simon.

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In article <sq9gaq$s2i$1@dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley
<clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:

> > It does. It also supports MIME messages just fine. PMDF MAIL looks like
> > VMS MAIL. It is effectively VMS MAIL with pretty much everything you
> > might wish VMS MAIL offered. 8-)
> >
> > https://www.process.com/products/pmdf/
> >
>
> I've just looked at the help within PMDF MAIL on Eisner.
>
> A person could spend a day playing with all those options. :-)
>
> Have you considered selling it to VSI for use as the standard
> VMS MAIL replacement ? :-)

Good idea. For those who are used to MAIL, it is in practice virtually
indistinguishable. For those who want more, it offers it, and in a very
VMS-like way.

Den 2021-12-26 kl. 13:42, skrev Phillip Helbig (undress to reply):
> In article <sq9gaq$s2i$1@dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley
> <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:
>
>>> It does. It also supports MIME messages just fine. PMDF MAIL looks like
>>> VMS MAIL. It is effectively VMS MAIL with pretty much everything you
>>> might wish VMS MAIL offered. 8-)
>>>
>>> https://www.process.com/products/pmdf/
>>>
>>
>> I've just looked at the help within PMDF MAIL on Eisner.
>>
>> A person could spend a day playing with all those options. :-)
>>
>> Have you considered selling it to VSI for use as the standard
>> VMS MAIL replacement ? :-)
>
> Good idea. For those who are used to MAIL, it is in practice virtually
> indistinguishable. For those who want more, it offers it, and in a very
> VMS-like way.
>

Why would VSI spend money on something were there is no
paying custumer asking for it? Spending money with zero
payback is not a smart businiess practice.

On 12/26/2021 9:34 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2021-12-26 kl. 13:42, skrev Phillip Helbig (undress to reply):
>> In article <sq9gaq$s2i$1@dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley
>> <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:
>>
>>>> It does. It also supports MIME messages just fine. PMDF MAIL looks like
>>>> VMS MAIL. It is effectively VMS MAIL with pretty much everything you
>>>> might wish VMS MAIL offered. 8-)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.process.com/products/pmdf/
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've just looked at the help within PMDF MAIL on Eisner.
>>>
>>> A person could spend a day playing with all those options. :-)
>>>
>>> Have you considered selling it to VSI for use as the standard
>>> VMS MAIL replacement ? :-)
>>
>> Good idea. For those who are used to MAIL, it is in practice virtually
>> indistinguishable. For those who want more, it offers it, and in a very
>> VMS-like way.
>>
>
> Why would VSI spend money on something were there is no
> paying custumer asking for it? Spending money with zero
> payback is not a smart businiess practice.

Isn't it interesting how some people are so free with someone else's money?

:-)

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