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by: Jan-Erik Söderholm - Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:06 UTC

Den 2022-01-09 kl. 15:52, skrev plugh:

> What's the current state of llvm on vms?

Start looking and listening to some of the webinars published by VSI.
Many of them have updates on the LLVM/VMS status.

https://vmssoftware.com/about/webinars/

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by: plugh - Sun, 9 Jan 2022 16:02 UTC

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 8:46:38 AM UTC-7, John Dallman wrote:
> In article <sretlu$ask$1...@dont-email.me>, jan-erik....@telia.com
> (Jan-Erik Söderholm) wrote:
>
> > Start looking and listening to some of the webinars published by
> > VSI. Many of them have updates on the LLVM/VMS status.
> To summarise broadly, only fairly old versions of LLVM will build for
> IA-64 VMS. VSI have been gradually bootstrapping LLVM on x86-64 VMS using
> that, with the obvious objective of a modern self-hosting LLVM on x86-64.
> Once that is complete, getting Rust running on it should be reasonably
> straightforward.
>
> John
I think we start here?
https://llvm.org/doxygen/classllvm_1_1Triple.html
I'm guessing the videos Jan Erik points to also hold clues.

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Subject: Re: Rust and VMS
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by: John Reagan - Sun, 9 Jan 2022 16:35 UTC

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:46:38 AM UTC-5, John Dallman wrote:
> In article <sretlu$ask$1...@dont-email.me>, jan-erik....@telia.com
> (Jan-Erik Söderholm) wrote:
>
> > Start looking and listening to some of the webinars published by
> > VSI. Many of them have updates on the LLVM/VMS status.
> To summarise broadly, only fairly old versions of LLVM will build for
> IA-64 VMS. VSI have been gradually bootstrapping LLVM on x86-64 VMS using
> that, with the obvious objective of a modern self-hosting LLVM on x86-64.
> Once that is complete, getting Rust running on it should be reasonably
> straightforward.
>
> John
Well, Rust is written mainly in Rust so the bootstrapping will be interesting but
no different than the bootstrapping we are doing now for clang/llvm. We're
using LLVM 10.0.1 for our initial bootstrap (with some subsequent bugfixes
we cherrypicked).

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by: John Reagan - Sun, 9 Jan 2022 16:38 UTC

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 11:02:15 AM UTC-5, plugh wrote:
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 8:46:38 AM UTC-7, John Dallman wrote:
> > In article <sretlu$ask$1...@dont-email.me>, jan-erik....@telia.com
> > (Jan-Erik Söderholm) wrote:
> >
> > > Start looking and listening to some of the webinars published by
> > > VSI. Many of them have updates on the LLVM/VMS status.
> > To summarise broadly, only fairly old versions of LLVM will build for
> > IA-64 VMS. VSI have been gradually bootstrapping LLVM on x86-64 VMS using
> > that, with the obvious objective of a modern self-hosting LLVM on x86-64.
> > Once that is complete, getting Rust running on it should be reasonably
> > straightforward.
> >
> > John
> I think we start here?
> https://llvm.org/doxygen/classllvm_1_1Triple.html
> I'm guessing the videos Jan Erik points to also hold clues.
As we move to put the code back to LLVM, we'll create a real OpenVMS triple..
Today we are just using a generic tuple.

$ show sys/noproc
OpenVMS XG4C-H4S on node X86VMS 9-JAN-2022 11:37:14.50 Uptime 4 20:48:41
$ clang --version
clang version 10.0.1 (git@bitbucket.org:vms_software/llvm-10.0.1.git 9de667ac5f86bc2e4a3ba7d9071c0ebbdc756b21)
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by: plugh - Sun, 9 Jan 2022 16:41 UTC

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 9:38:07 AM UTC-7, xyzz...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 11:02:15 AM UTC-5, plugh wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 8:46:38 AM UTC-7, John Dallman wrote:
> > > In article <sretlu$ask$1...@dont-email.me>, jan-erik....@telia.com
> > > (Jan-Erik Söderholm) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Start looking and listening to some of the webinars published by
> > > > VSI. Many of them have updates on the LLVM/VMS status.
> > > To summarise broadly, only fairly old versions of LLVM will build for
> > > IA-64 VMS. VSI have been gradually bootstrapping LLVM on x86-64 VMS using
> > > that, with the obvious objective of a modern self-hosting LLVM on x86-64.
> > > Once that is complete, getting Rust running on it should be reasonably
> > > straightforward.
> > >
> > > John
> > I think we start here?
> > https://llvm.org/doxygen/classllvm_1_1Triple.html
> > I'm guessing the videos Jan Erik points to also hold clues.
> As we move to put the code back to LLVM, we'll create a real OpenVMS triple.
> Today we are just using a generic tuple.
>
> $ show sys/noproc
> OpenVMS XG4C-H4S on node X86VMS 9-JAN-2022 11:37:14.50 Uptime 4 20:48:41
> $ clang --version
> clang version 10.0.1 (g...@bitbucket.org:vms_software/llvm-10.0.1.git 9de667ac5f86bc2e4a3ba7d9071c0ebbdc756b21)
> Target: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
> Thread model: posix
> InstalledDir: DKA100:[JREAGAN]

Thanks for the checkpoint! Fun times!

Subject	Author
Re: Rust and VMS	plugh
Re: Rust and VMS	Jan-Erik Söderholm
Re: Rust and VMS	plugh
Re: Rust and VMS	John Reagan
Re: Rust and VMS	plugh
Re: Rust and VMS	John Reagan