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* Posting on my LC 475, What are you running?denodster
+* Re: Posting on my LC 475, What are you running?Jolly Roger
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Subject: Posting on my LC 475, What are you running?
From: denodster
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.vintage
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 04:25 UTC
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Posting on my LC 475 running Internews. This is my first time on Usenet
and I'm thrilled to find this group. Running system 7.6.1 and MacIP via
an old cisco router. It's been a fun project and I'm thrilled to get to
use it like this.

What kind of hardware are you all running? and how did you get it
online?


Subject: Re: Posting on my LC 475, What are you running?
From: Jolly Roger
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On 2021-11-06, denodster <denodster@gmail.com> wrote:
Posting on my LC 475 running Internews. This is my first time on
Usenet and I'm thrilled to find this group. Running system 7.6.1 and
MacIP via an old cisco router. It's been a fun project and I'm
thrilled to get to use it like this.

Nice! I still have an LC 475 in the closet here. Love that pizza box
case... : )

What kind of hardware are you all running? and how did you get it
online?

My oldest Mac is a Mac SE/30 which was originally purchased by my father
in the late 1980s. It was our first Mac. All of our other computers at
the time ran their own specific command-line operating system with no
graphical interface or mouse - just ugly text on an ugly screen.  Home
Computers back then either used tape drives for storage or had floppy
drives with their own flavor of DOS.

The Mac we brought home was completely different. It was relatively
small compared to most computers of the time, was self-contained
(screen, CPU, floppy drive, etc were all housed in the case) and could
be carried with one hand. And unlike most, not only did it come with a
mouse, but the mouse was actually *required* to use it.

It completely changed the way I looked at computers for the better. And
while I was very much into programming our trusty TRS-80s in Basic and
Zilog assembly, the Mac with an OS geared from the ground up to be
driven by the GUI, along with Apple’s rich APIs and Pascal / 68k
assembly programming languages immediately took my attention and
opened new worlds to me. And the Mac SE/30 was pretty fast for a
computer at that time - hence the name. : )

Zippy is old, but still runs fine. I've replaced the cooling fan,
upgraded the RAM, and replaced the hard drive over the years. But other
than that, the hardware all original. It's currently running system
7.5.5, has an Asante MacCon 10 megabit Ethernet card installed in the
PDS expansion slot for internet connectivity, and runs the MacHTTP web
server full time, hosting a little website:

http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR


Subject: Re: Posting on my LC 475, What are you running?
From: Denodster
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From: denods...@gmail.com (Denodster)
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Subject: Re: Posting on my LC 475, What are you running?
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In article <iunp7lF31drU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Nice! I still have an LC 475 in the closet here. Love that pizza box
case... : )


One of my favorite computer designs, It's too bad the only way to get a
PPC is to find one of those elusive upgrades. Unfortunately mine has come
plastic damage, maybe I'll acquire a non-working one at some point.


My oldest Mac is a Mac SE/30 which was originally purchased by my father
in the late 1980s. It was our first Mac. All of our other computers at
the time ran their own specific command-line operating system with no
graphical interface or mouse - just ugly text on an ugly screen.  Home
Computers back then either used tape drives for storage or had floppy
drives with their own flavor of DOS.

The Mac we brought home was completely different. It was relatively
small compared to most computers of the time, was self-contained
(screen, CPU, floppy drive, etc were all housed in the case) and could
be carried with one hand. And unlike most, not only did it come with a
mouse, but the mouse was actually *required* to use it.

It completely changed the way I looked at computers for the better. And
while I was very much into programming our trusty TRS-80s in Basic and
Zilog assembly, the Mac with an OS geared from the ground up to be
driven by the GUI, along with Apple’s rich APIs and Pascal / 68k
assembly programming languages immediately took my attention and
opened new worlds to me. And the Mac SE/30 was pretty fast for a
computer at that time - hence the name. : )


My first mac was a IIcx that my dad acquired at a surplus auction, with a
portrait monitor. I remember being floored that it didn't have any
scrolling text or command line the first time I booted it up. Apple was
truly thinking different with these machines. As much as I believe they
made the right decision with Unix being the basis of OS X, I can't help
but feel like something was lost the day they added a terminal to the Mac.

I've recently acquired Inside Macintosh Volumes 1-6 and I've been trying
to think up a project I would like to work on. Web development is my day
job and I know how to program in C, so I think I could come up with some
classic mac apps.

Zippy is old, but still runs fine. I've replaced the cooling fan,
upgraded the RAM, and replaced the hard drive over the years. But other
than that, the hardware all original. It's currently running system
7.5.5, has an Asante MacCon 10 megabit Ethernet card installed in the
PDS expansion slot for internet connectivity, and runs the MacHTTP web
server full time, hosting a little website:

http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997

Love the website, it works pretty well on my LC 475, good work!


Subject: Re: Posting on my LC 475, What are you running?
From: Your Name
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.vintage
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Subject: Re: Posting on my LC 475, What are you running?
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On 2021-11-07 01:27:41 +0000, Denodster said:
In article <iunp7lF31drU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Nice! I still have an LC 475 in the closet here. Love that pizza box
case... : )

One of my favorite computer designs,

Yep, a great case design from when Apple actually allowed people to upgrade their computers ... just pop the lid, no screws to bother with. It's basically a more flattened copy of the old Apple II design.



It's too bad the only way to get a PPC is to find one of those elusive upgrades. Unfortunately mine has come plastic damage, maybe I'll acquire a non-working one at some point.

If you've got a good condition case, you could always put a Mac Mini into it and have an Intel or Apple Silicon Mac ... it still wouldn't of course have expansion possibilities anywhere close to those old Macs. :-(



My oldest Mac is a Mac SE/30 which was originally purchased by my father
in the late 1980s. It was our first Mac. All of our other computers at
the time ran their own specific command-line operating system with no
graphical interface or mouse - just ugly text on an ugly screen.  Home
Computers back then either used tape drives for storage or had floppy
drives with their own flavor of DOS.

The Mac we brought home was completely different. It was relatively
small compared to most computers of the time, was self-contained
(screen, CPU, floppy drive, etc were all housed in the case) and could
be carried with one hand. And unlike most, not only did it come with a
mouse, but the mouse was actually *required* to use it.

It completely changed the way I looked at computers for the better. And
while I was very much into programming our trusty TRS-80s in Basic and
Zilog assembly, the Mac with an OS geared from the ground up to be
driven by the GUI, along with Apple’s rich APIs and Pascal / 68k
assembly programming languages immediately took my attention and
opened new worlds to me. And the Mac SE/30 was pretty fast for a
computer at that time - hence the name. : )

My first mac was a IIcx that my dad acquired at a surplus auction, with a
portrait monitor. I remember being floored that it didn't have any
scrolling text or command line the first time I booted it up. Apple was
truly thinking different with these machines. As much as I believe they
made the right decision with Unix being the basis of OS X, I can't help
but feel like something was lost the day they added a terminal to the Mac.

I've recently acquired Inside Macintosh Volumes 1-6 and I've been trying
to think up a project I would like to work on. Web development is my day
job and I know how to program in C, so I think I could come up with some
classic mac apps.

Depending on which version of Classic Mac OS you're aiming at, Pascal can be a option bet than C.



Zippy is old, but still runs fine. I've replaced the cooling fan,
upgraded the RAM, and replaced the hard drive over the years. But other
than that, the hardware all original. It's currently running system
7.5.5, has an Asante MacCon 10 megabit Ethernet card installed in the
PDS expansion slot for internet connectivity, and runs the MacHTTP web
server full time, hosting a little website:

http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997

Love the website, it works pretty well on my LC 475, good work!




Subject: Re: Posting on my LC 475, What are you running?
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In article <sm7bil$1hbn$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

Nice! I still have an LC 475 in the closet here. Love that pizza box
case... : )

One of my favorite computer designs,

Yep, a great case design from when Apple actually allowed people to
upgrade their computers ... just pop the lid, no screws to bother with.
It's basically a more flattened copy of the old Apple II design.

mac pro is easily upgraded without any screws and in all sorts of ways.

intel mac mini is also easy.


I've recently acquired Inside Macintosh Volumes 1-6 and I've been trying
to think up a project I would like to work on. Web development is my day
job and I know how to program in C, so I think I could come up with some
classic mac apps.

Depending on which version of Classic Mac OS you're aiming at, Pascal
can be a option bet than C.

there is no advantage for pascal, or c for that matter.

c++ would be the best choice.


Subject: Re: Posting on my LC 475, What are you running?
From: philo
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I was recently given a Quadra running OS-8.

Though I could put it on-line, I was more curious about setting up a printer.

To my amazement I was able to use my networked laser printer. Though the printer is 15 years newer than the computer   ...because of Postscript it worked!



Subject: Re: Posting on my LC 475, What are you running?
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<philo@news.novabbs.com> wrote:

I was recently given a Quadra running OS-8.

Though I could put it on-line, I was more curious about setting up a printer.

To my amazement I was able to use my networked laser printer. Though the
printer is 15 years newer than the computer   ...because of Postscript it worked!

every mac supports network printers via postscript, going back to the
very first mac in 1984.


Subject: Re: Posting on my LC 475, What are you running?
From: Your Name
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Subject: Re: Posting on my LC 475, What are you running?
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On 2021-11-10 23:40:40 +0000, philo said:

I was recently given a Quadra running OS-8.

Though I could put it on-line, I was more curious about setting up a printer.

To my amazement I was able to use my networked laser printer. Though the printer is 15 years newer than the computer   ...because of Postscript it worked!

Here's one the other way around ... some years ago I set-up a new iMac for someone who had upgraded from an old CRT iMac, a couple of years later I had to update the OS on it. Both times I thought they might have problems with their big, clunky, very ancient printer (no idea how old, but must have been one of the first USB printers from HP), but I plugged it into a USB socket and the new iMac recognised it and worked fine.



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In comp.sys.mac.vintage, nospam  <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Yep, a great case design from when Apple actually allowed people to
upgrade their computers ... just pop the lid, no screws to bother with.
It's basically a more flattened copy of the old Apple II design.
mac pro is easily upgraded without any screws and in all sorts of ways.

After you break your wallet buying it.

intel mac mini is also easy.

As far as I can tell, that one may be easy but has a bunch of screws.

The LC is probably between this IIsi and Quadra 610 in complexity, but
ifixit doesn't have a guide for it so I can't be certain:

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Macintosh+IIsi+Disassembly/2748

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Macintosh+Quadra+610+Teardown/55176

The IIsi and the 128K are the only "classic mac" they have guides for
that I've taken apart myself. The IIci was virtually the same as the
IIsi for opening / repair work. The IIe (not a Mac, but in the "Classic
Mac" section" was easy to open, but used more screws.

Depending on which version of Classic Mac OS you're aiming at, Pascal
can be a option bet than C.
there is no advantage for pascal, or c for that matter.

I've programmed for System 7 in C. You definitely got the feel that a
lot of stuff was written for Pascal, eg seeing Pascal style strings
in places.

c++ would be the best choice.

What C++? The C++ of today is nothing like the C++ of the late 1990s.

Elijah
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C has changed, too, but slower


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In article <52093edf8badc27bf88ad21504f402a4@news.novabbs.com>,
philo@news.novabbs.com (philo) wrote:

I was recently given a Quadra running OS-8.

Though I could put it on-line, I was more curious about setting up a printer.

To my amazement I was able to use my networked laser printer. Though the
printer is 15 years newer than the computer   ...because of Postscript it
worked!

I print from System 7.6 to a Brother laser printer from 2019 over tcp/ip.
If you update Laserwriter 8 you can use a windows computer to extract a
..PPD file from the windows driver and then copy it over to the mac and add
it to the printer descriptions in the extensions folder. (I think I used
res edit to specify the file type to ease the conversion) From there it
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Denodster wrote:

I've recently acquired Inside Macintosh Volumes 1-6 and I've been trying
to think up a project I would like to work on. Web development is my day
job and I know how to program in C, so I think I could come up with some
classic mac apps.

There's no time to lose. Better get started reading others' Macintosh code,
even if you do nothing else. Check out the MacTutor/MacTech archives. Also
the Apple Developer CD. Both include lots of sample code.

The MacTutor archives should be online at this URL:
https://preserve.mactech.com/articles/index.html

I wasn't able to load it just now, so maybe it'll work later. :-/

--
]DF$
The New Apple II User's Guide:
https://macgui.com/newa2guide/



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<*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

Yep, a great case design from when Apple actually allowed people to
upgrade their computers ... just pop the lid, no screws to bother with.
It's basically a more flattened copy of the old Apple II design.
mac pro is easily upgraded without any screws and in all sorts of ways.

After you break your wallet buying it.

people who need a mac pro are not concerned with its price because it
pays for itself very quickly.

it's a high end pro system for compute intensive tasks where time is
money, not something home users would get for faster web surfing.

the claim was that apple no longer allows people to upgrade macs. that
is false. they have *never* prohibited it.

some macs are more limited because most people never upgrade. there is
no reason to include slots that will never be used.

intel mac mini is also easy.

As far as I can tell, that one may be easy but has a bunch of screws.

it does not.

the bottom plate twists off, no tools required:

https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_
US/macmini/macmini-memory-diagram-2010-12-rotate-cover-open.png>
https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_
US/macmini/macmini-memory-diagram-2010-12-remove-cover.png>

the previous mac mini enclosure (white top, with both g4 & intel
processors) needed a putty knife to snap the clips, at which point the
top lifts off.

The LC is probably between this IIsi and Quadra 610 in complexity, but
ifixit doesn't have a guide for it so I can't be certain:

the lc was extremely easy to open.

the top lifted off via two tabs at the back, as did many macs of that
era.

there was a single screw to secure the lid, but that was not needed and
rarely put back after opening it.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Macintosh_LC_%28ori
ginal%29_-_rear.jpg>

many macs were even easier.

the side of the cheese-grater mac pro and powermac g5 was easily
removed:

https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/LG2YPVaHQQ1nWjIE.medium

the side of the powermac g4 flipped down while the computer could
remain powered and operational, which made it *very* easy to design
hardware cards.

https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/usapiMdDDBFeDDhd.medium
https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/6j1Fmc6PY2u6c6GG.medium

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Apple_PowerMa
c_G4_M8570_MDD_sideopen.jpg/800px-Apple_PowerMac_G4_M8570_MDD_sideopen.j
pg>

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Macintosh+IIsi+Disassembly/2748

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Macintosh+Quadra+610+Teardown/55176

The IIsi and the 128K are the only "classic mac" they have guides for
that I've taken apart myself.

take-apart guides are not needed for macs of that vintage.

The IIci was virtually the same as the
IIsi for opening / repair work.

the lid was easy to remove, but the similarity ends there.

the iisi was a low end mac with a single pds slot, and an optional
adapter for a true nubus slot.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Macintosh_IIsi_2.jp
g>
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Macintosh_IIsi_Port
s.jpg>

the iici, iicx and quadra 700 had nearly identical casings, all with
three nubus slots in, differing in which external ports they had.

the iicx lacked onboard video and required a video card, so it really
had only 2 usable nubus slots for expansion.

the iici was the first with onboard video, saving a nubus slot, with an
additional video connector on the back.

the quadra 700 was intended for vertical use, with the labeling on the
front being rotated, plus the feet on what would have been the side
rather than the bottom. this was to match the bigger quadra 900 tower.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Macintosh_IIcx.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Macintosh_IIci.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Macintosh_Quadra_70
0.png>

The IIe (not a Mac, but in the "Classic
Mac" section" was easy to open, but used more screws.

the apple ii series were very easy to open and modify.

Depending on which version of Classic Mac OS you're aiming at, Pascal
can be a option bet than C.
there is no advantage for pascal, or c for that matter.

I've programmed for System 7 in C. You definitely got the feel that a
lot of stuff was written for Pascal, eg seeing Pascal style strings
in places.

most of classic mac os was originally written in pascal, with many core
routines in hand-optimized assembly.

that meant that strings were pascal style, however, that was not an
issue whatsoever for app development with c.

pascal strings are also more robust than c strings, so this was a
feature, not a bug.

think/lightspeed c was *extremely* popular, as was codewarrior, which
supported both pascal, c, c++ and inline 68k assembly in the same ide.

c++ would be the best choice.

What C++? The C++ of today is nothing like the C++ of the late 1990s.

so what?

computers of today are nothing like computers of the late 1990s.

anyone writing apps for classic mac os would be best served using c++.

codewarrior's powerplant was a fantastic framework for writing apps,
written in c++, source code included.


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On 2021-11-11 01:49:24 +0000, Eli the Bearded said:

In comp.sys.mac.vintage, nospam  <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Yep, a great case design from when Apple actually allowed people to
upgrade their computers ... just pop the lid, no screws to bother with.
It's basically a more flattened copy of the old Apple II design.
mac pro is easily upgraded without any screws and in all sorts of ways.

After you break your wallet buying it.

Some models of Mac Pro and PowerMac towers require hinging out sections to get to other sections, so not as easy as the old LC 'pop the lid and you're in'.


intel mac mini is also easy.

As far as I can tell, that one may be easy but has a bunch of screws.

There was one Mac Mini model where the base could be turned to get it off, but that only allowed limited access. Anything else did require unscrewing bits and sliding the motherboard out the back.

Many of the Mac Mini models aren't very upgradable, if at all, anyway because Apple now tends to solder everything down.  :(



The LC is probably between this IIsi and Quadra 610 in complexity, but
ifixit doesn't have a guide for it so I can't be certain:

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Macintosh+IIsi+Disassembly/2748

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Macintosh+Quadra+610+Teardown/55176

The IIsi and the 128K are the only "classic mac" they have guides for
that I've taken apart myself. The IIci was virtually the same as the
IIsi for opening / repair work. The IIe (not a Mac, but in the "Classic
Mac" section" was easy to open, but used more screws.

Depending on which version of Classic Mac OS you're aiming at, Pascal
can be a better option than C.
there is no advantage for pascal, or c for that matter.

I've programmed for System 7 in C. You definitely got the feel that a
lot of stuff was written for Pascal, eg seeing Pascal style strings
in places.

Early versions of the Mac OS were written in / for Pascal programming. MacOS 8 was when C really took over, so if you're planning to write programs for earlier than that, you're best to use Pascal. Lightspeed / Think Pascal is my personal favourite programming environment, even today there's still nothing that comes close to its ease-of-use.

https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/178038/what-language-was-standard-for-apple-development-before-objective-c
c++ would be the best choice.

What C++? The C++ of today is nothing like the C++ of the late 1990s.

Elijah
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C has changed, too, but slower




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In article <smic3g$d1q$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:


Some models of Mac Pro and PowerMac towers require hinging out sections
to get to other sections, so not as easy as the old LC 'pop the lid and
you're in'.

nope. the side of the g4 tower flips down and the side of the g5/mac
pro can be removed entirely.

There was one Mac Mini model where the base could be turned to get it
off, but that only allowed limited access. Anything else did require
unscrewing bits and sliding the motherboard out the back.

several models, actually.

Many of the Mac Mini models aren't very upgradable, if at all, anyway
because Apple now tends to solder everything down.  :(

nope.

the 2014 mini was the only one with soldered memory, not that it
matters since very few people upgrade after purchase.

the m1 mini has memory on the soc itself, which applies to all m1 macs
and is much faster than what dimms can provide.


Early versions of the Mac OS were written in / for Pascal programming.

it was written in pascal and assembly.

programming could be done using assembly, pascal, c, c++ and in any
combination. basic was also available, along with some less common
languages available, such as scheme.

MacOS 8 was when C really took over,

nope. it was much, much earlier than that.

in fact, mac native c compilers predated mac native pascal compilers,
including aztec c, consulair c and megamax c, somewhere around late1984
or early 1985.

so if you're planning to write
programs for earlier than that, you're best to use Pascal.

nope to that too. see above.

Lightspeed /
Think Pascal is my personal favourite programming environment, even
today there's still nothing that comes close to its ease-of-use.

codewarrior was *significantly* better, and not just its ide, but also
the powerplant framework.


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On 11/10/2021 5:40 PM, philo wrote:
I was recently given a Quadra running OS-8.

Though I could put it on-line, I was more curious about setting up a printer.

To my amazement I was able to use my networked laser printer. Though the printer is 15 years newer than the computer   ...because of Postscript it worked!

I also have some SE's but no networking on them.

I had them up in my attic fro 15 years and brought them down recently as I was given a bunch old old Mac HD's


AFAIK the SE will only recognize a 20, 40 or 80 meg drive.


Out the the many drives I had, I found a total of three that stayed working after several boot-ups.

One drive was HFS+ but one was the original  Mac FS.


Though there are plenty of ways to read an HJFS+ drive from Windows or Linux, I had to transfer the files from the Mac FS machine to the HFS machine via floppy.



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wrote:

I also have some SE's but no networking on them.

yes they very definitely do.

*every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.

localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.

I had them up in my attic fro 15 years and brought them down recently as
I was given a bunch old old Mac HD's

AFAIK the SE will only recognize a 20, 40 or 80 meg drive.

very much wrong.

a mac se will recognize up to 2 gigabyte hard drives, and with system
7.5, up to 4 gigabytes.

Out the the many drives I had, I found a total of three that stayed
working after several boot-ups.

drives can still work and not be bootable.

One drive was HFS+ but one was the original  Mac FS.

none were the original mac fs, known as mfs. that was for 400k floppies.

you probably mean hfs, which replaced mfs to support the larger
capacity 800k floppies and hard drives, before the mac se was released.

some very, very early hard drives were mfs only because the predated
hfs and were mostly a clusterfuck to use.

hfs+ came much later, with mac os 8.1, which won't work on a mac se.

Though there are plenty of ways to read an HJFS+ drive from Windows or
Linux, I had to transfer the files from the Mac FS machine to the HFS
machine via floppy.

that's what networks are for.


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On 11/11/2021 15:36, nospam wrote:
In article <smjav8$5tq$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:

I also have some SE's but no networking on them.

yes they very definitely do.

*every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.

localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.

I'm fairly sure I can remember needing appletalk adaptors when trying to network three Apple Plus machines round about 1987 ish...



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In article <dog_cow-1636603162@macgui.com>, D Finnigan
<dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:

Denodster wrote:

I've recently acquired Inside Macintosh Volumes 1-6 and I've been trying
to think up a project I would like to work on. Web development is my day
job and I know how to program in C, so I think I could come up with some
classic mac apps.

There's no time to lose. Better get started reading others' Macintosh code,
even if you do nothing else. Check out the MacTutor/MacTech archives. Also
the Apple Developer CD. Both include lots of sample code.

The MacTutor archives should be online at this URL:
https://preserve.mactech.com/articles/index.html

I wasn't able to load it just now, so maybe it'll work later. :-/

works for me, thanks for the link.


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In article <z9ydndyDor2DohD8nZ2dnUU78WHNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, David
Kennedy <davidkennedy@nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote:

I also have some SE's but no networking on them.

yes they very definitely do.

*every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.

localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.

I'm fairly sure I can remember needing appletalk adaptors when trying to
network three Apple Plus machines round about 1987 ish...

exactly the point.

those appletalk adapters, more accurately called localtalk adapters,
was all that was needed because networking was built into every mac.

they were simple passive devices that went between the mac and the
localtalk cables, just like an aui adapter did for ethernet (thicknet,
(coax/thinnet/10b-2, 10b-t), token ring, etc.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Apple_LocalTa
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phonenet was a more popular option because it used ordinary telephone
cord, which meant existing wiring in the walls could be used without
needing to run additional cables, making it a less expensive and far
more convenient option.

i remember carrying phonenet adapters and rj-11 phone cord in my laptop
bag so that i could instantly set up a network with several other users
at any time, anywhere. instant lan parties.

ethernet required either a card in the internal pds slot of the mac se
or an external ethernet adapter that looked a lot like a phonenet
adapter and connected to the existing localtalk port. asante and
farralon made both, as well as others.

there were also ethernet/localtalk bridges to bridge both localtalk and
ethernet. i had a mac ii with several ethernet cards for a fairly
complex network setup.


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On 11/11/2021 16:42, nospam wrote:
In article <z9ydndyDor2DohD8nZ2dnUU78WHNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, David
Kennedy <davidkennedy@nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote:

I also have some SE's but no networking on them.

yes they very definitely do.

*every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.

localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.

I'm fairly sure I can remember needing appletalk adaptors when trying to
network three Apple Plus machines round about 1987 ish...

exactly the point.

those appletalk adapters, more accurately called localtalk adapters,
was all that was needed because networking was built into every mac.

they were simple passive devices that went between the mac and the
localtalk cables, just like an aui adapter did for ethernet (thicknet,
(coax/thinnet/10b-2, 10b-t), token ring, etc.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Apple_LocalTa
lk_box_interior_1.jpg/1024px-Apple_LocalTalk_box_interior_1.jpg>

phonenet was a more popular option because it used ordinary telephone
cord, which meant existing wiring in the walls could be used without
needing to run additional cables, making it a less expensive and far
more convenient option.

i remember carrying phonenet adapters and rj-11 phone cord in my laptop
bag so that i could instantly set up a network with several other users
at any time, anywhere. instant lan parties.

ethernet required either a card in the internal pds slot of the mac se
or an external ethernet adapter that looked a lot like a phonenet
adapter and connected to the existing localtalk port. asante and
farralon made both, as well as others.

there were also ethernet/localtalk bridges to bridge both localtalk and
ethernet. i had a mac ii with several ethernet cards for a fairly
complex network setup.

I remember having them; the rest blurs into the mists of time now...

I do recall how bloody useful it was when it came to returning to the office and simply plugging into everything with the Mac Portable!

Still got it somewhere, wonder if it still works?


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davidkennedygm@gmail.invalid wrote:

On 11/11/2021 15:36, nospam wrote:
In article <smjav8$5tq$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:

I also have some SE's but no networking on them.

yes they very definitely do.

*every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.

localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.

I'm fairly sure I can remember needing appletalk adaptors when trying to
network three Apple Plus machines round about 1987 ish...

I'm posting this using an etherwave adapter, which is a localtalk to
ethernet bridge, I have it plugged into the serial port for the modem. The
device is plug and play but only if you have a MacIP server, because it
won't do DHCP... such a device would work on any mac that can support
appletalk (I believe even the 512k can). I've used it with a classic and
an SE. Pretty sure if want to do TCP/IP with a modern router you need an
ethernet card.


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In article <WI6dnfWwq8T-0xD8nZ2dnUU78fWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, David
Kennedy <davidkennedy@nospamherethankyou.invalid> wrote:


I remember having them; the rest blurs into the mists of time now...

it does, but it's fun to reminisce to a time when things were much
simpler.

I do recall how bloody useful it was when it came to returning to the office
and simply plugging into everything with the Mac Portable!

the mac that had the wrong name...

Still got it somewhere, wonder if it still works?

the battery is almost certainly dead.

it was a lead-acid battery, much like the ones in a modern ups.

the mac portable was designed to run off the battery, even when
connected to mains, which only served to charge the battery, not power
the unit, so a dead battery is going to be a problem.

i'm not sure where you can find a replacement battery, but you can
always connect an external battery, making the non-portable mac even
less portable. be sure to get the correct voltage.


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In article <denodster-1111211219250001@192.168.2.200>, Denodster
<denodster@gmail.com> wrote:


I'm posting this using an etherwave adapter, which is a localtalk to
ethernet bridge, I have it plugged into the serial port for the modem. The
device is plug and play but only if you have a MacIP server, because it
won't do DHCP... such a device would work on any mac that can support
appletalk (I believe even the 512k can). I've used it with a classic and
an SE.

bootp should work, or configure a static address.

Pretty sure if want to do TCP/IP with a modern router you need an
ethernet card.

tcp worked over localtalk. an ethernet card was obviously quite a bit
faster, but it was not needed.


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On 11/11/21 9:36 AM, nospam wrote:
In article <smjav8$5tq$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:

I also have some SE's but no networking on them.

yes they very definitely do.

*every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.

localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.

OS has networking but I have no hardware for it.



I had them up in my attic fro 15 years and brought them down recently as
I was given a bunch old old Mac HD's

AFAIK the SE will only recognize a 20, 40 or 80 meg drive.

very much wrong.

a mac se will recognize up to 2 gigabyte hard drives, and with system
7.5, up to 4 gigabytes.

Out the the many drives I had, I found a total of three that stayed
working after several boot-ups.

drives can still work and not be bootable.

Indeed. maybe the drives I had could be recognized but the only drives it would boot from were either 20, 40 0r *)



One drive was HFS+ but one was the original  Mac FS.

none were the original mac fs, known as mfs. that was for 400k floppies.

you probably mean hfs, which replaced mfs to support the larger
capacity 800k floppies and hard drives, before the mac se was released.

some very, very early hard drives were mfs only because the predated
hfs and were mostly a clusterfuck to use.

hfs+ came much later, with mac os 8.1, which won't work on a mac se.




gparted (on my linux machine) could recognize HFS /HFS+ drives but the one SE had a drive that gparted could not identify.


I assume it must have been MFS   (FWIF, it's 20 meg)


I guess I've got a real collector's item


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On 11/11/21 10:04 AM, David Kennedy wrote:
On 11/11/2021 15:36, nospam wrote:
In article <smjav8$5tq$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
wrote:

I also have some SE's but no networking on them.

yes they very definitely do.

*every* mac ever made has networking and in fact, macs were the first
mainstream computers include it, without any additional hardware.

localtalk is built in. ethernet cards were an optional extra, either
with an internal pds card or via an external adapter or network bridge.

I'm fairly sure I can remember needing appletalk adaptors when trying to network three Apple Plus machines round about 1987 ish...




I have an adapter that will work with my Quadra but nothing for the SE


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