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* tabs and indentation?Dale
+* Re: tabs and indentation?Philip Herlihy
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|`* Re: tabs and indentation?Stefan Ram
| `* Re: tabs and indentation?Dale
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 by: Lewis - Mon, 14 Mar 2022 00:24 UTC

In message <CSS-20220313150742@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>>Maybe one could use pseudo class selectors (like ":checked")
>>to implement tabs with CSS only.

> Maybe something like the following?

> <!DOCTYPE html><html>
> <head><meta charset="UTF-8" /><title></title><style type="text/css">
> label { padding: 5px 20px 5px 20px; border: 1px solid #CCC }
> input, p { display: none; }
> input:checked + p { display: block; }
> </style></head><body>
> <label for='button0'>0</label>
> <label for='button1'>1</label>
> <label for='button2'>2</label>
> <input id='button0' name='radio' type='radio' />
> <input id='button1' name='radio' type='radio' /><p>paragraph 1</p>
> <input id='button2' name='radio' type='radio' /><p>paragraph 2</p>
> </body></html>

That works perefectly if what you need to display on the tab is simple,
but not so well if you needed to display formatted HTML incolving more
than a few tags.

But it is a start.

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 by: Lewis - Mon, 14 Mar 2022 00:33 UTC

In message <0ex-20220313181520@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> writes:
>>>h1 { margin-bottom: 0: }

> "0:" is not a valid value for "margin-bottom". Try "0ex".

0 is perfectly fine, you do not need to specify px or ex or pt or em
with 0; the problem is that it should be:

#v+
h1 { margin-bottom: 0; }
h1 + p { margin-top: 0; }
#v-

(NB: semicolons at the end of the CSS statement).

And yes, you do have to use both since the default styling for both H
and P tags includes the margin.

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 by: Lewis - Mon, 14 Mar 2022 00:41 UTC

In message <t0lhvb$nsf$1@dont-email.me> Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
> Now I am left to find out how to indent the <p> under the <h1>

h1 + p:first-line { text-indent; 5em;}

IIRC.

> and add a style to make <p> larger on smart phones and tablets.

If you use em (as you should) you needn't do this.

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 by: Dale - Mon, 14 Mar 2022 00:50 UTC

On 3/13/2022 8:41 PM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <t0lhvb$nsf$1@dont-email.me> Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
>> Now I am left to find out how to indent the <p> under the <h1>
>
> h1 + p:first-line { text-indent; 5em;}
>
> IIRC.
>
>> and add a style to make <p> larger on smart phones and tablets.
>
> If you use em (as you should) you needn't do this.
>

https://www.w3schools.com/w3css/w3css_templates.asp

is this what you are referring to?

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 by: Lewis - Mon, 14 Mar 2022 04:53 UTC

In message <t0m3gf$7k1$1@dont-email.me> Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
> On 3/13/2022 8:41 PM, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <t0lhvb$nsf$1@dont-email.me> Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
>>> Now I am left to find out how to indent the <p> under the <h1>
>>
>> h1 + p:first-line { text-indent; 5em;}
>>
>> IIRC.
>>
>>> and add a style to make <p> larger on smart phones and tablets.
>>
>> If you use em (as you should) you needn't do this.
>>

> https://www.w3schools.com/w3css/w3css_templates.asp

> is this what you are referring to?

I doubt it, I've never knowingly referred to anything on w3schools as I
consider it a shit site filled with shit advice and quite often wrong
information. I miss the days when Google allowed you to mark a site t
never come up in search results.

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> In message <MPG.3c97eabcecb239a99899b4@news.eternal-september.org> Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote:
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Much improved in (not-so) recent years. Our friend would do better to spend
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["ion,"->"ion;" - English requires a semicolon here!]

"Jukka K. Korpela" <jukkakk@gmail.com> writes:
>Stefan Ram wrote:
>>><style>
>>>h1 { margin-bottom: 0: }
>>>h1 + p { margin-top: 0: }
>>></style>
>>Maybe you wanted to type a semicolon instead of a colon
>>in both cases.
>Yes, thanks for pointing this out. (Now, who invented a keyboard where
>“,” and “.” are adjacent as well as “;” and “:”?)

I'm sure you realize this, but I'm just saying it for the
sake of other readers:

In CSS, the semicolon does /not/ terminate a declaration;
it /separates/ declarations within a ruleset.

ruleset : selector? '{' S* declaration? [ ';' S* declaration? ]* '}' S*;

Therefore, if a ruleset has just a single declaration,
no semicolon is required.

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Stefan Ram wrote:

> "Jukka K. Korpela" <jukkakk@gmail.com> writes:
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>> (Now, who invented a keyboard where
>> “,” and “.” are adjacent as well as “;” and “:”?)
>
> I'm sure you realize this, but I'm just saying it for the
> sake of other readers:
>
> In CSS, the semicolon does /not/ terminate a declaration,
> it /separates/ declarations within a ruleset.
>
> ruleset : selector? '{' S* declaration? [ ';' S* declaration? ]* '}' S*;
>
> Therefore, if a ruleset has just a single declaration,
> no semicolon is required.

Yes, I see your point about the redundancy of semicolons in the case given.

Yet, I’m used to ending CSS declarations (as well as statements in some
programming languages that have similar rules) with a semicolon, just
for simplicity and for being prepared to adding a new declaration (or
statament or whatever).

But it seems that I’m getting too old for that. And my (rather off-topic
and rhetoric) question was about keyboard design. Why make similar
characters like “.” and “,” adjacent? Regarding “:” and “;”, the US (and
UK) keyboards are more sensible than Finnish keyboards (where they are
in adjacent keys, with Shift), given the rather different uses but
similar appearance, both in (human) languages and computer codes such as
HTML and CSS. Why would you make it easier to people in err in things
like that, so that slight mistyping results in characters that look too
similar but are quite different in meaning?

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"Jukka K. Korpela" <jukkakk@gmail.com> writes: Why make similar
>characters like “.” and “,” adjacent? Regarding “:” and “;”, the US

On some versions of Microsoft® Windows, one can edit the
registry string

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout

to remap keys and use AutoHotkey to further customize the
keyboard. Some keyboards allow to physically swap keycaps
to adapt the keyboard to the change. One can try to relabel
keycaps tinker style. Of course, there always is the risk
of breaking something while doing such interventions.

Many Linux distributions also allow remapping of keys.

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