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* Free BL860c i2 to a good homeDavid Turner
+* Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homeCraig A. Berry
|`* Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homeRobert A. Brooks
| `* Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homegah4
|  `* Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homeJohn H. Reinhardt
|   `* Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homeDavid Turner
|    `* Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homeRobert A. Brooks
|     +- Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homemalekar san
|     `- Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homeHans Bachner
+* Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homegah4
|`* Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homeDavid Turner
| `* Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homegah4
|  `- Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homeMark DeArman
`* Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homeMark DeArman
 `* Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homeDavid Turner
  `- Re: Free BL860c i2 to a good homeMichael Moroney

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 by: David Turner - Sat, 26 Feb 2022 08:17 UTC

Got about*20* of these left and would rather give them away than recycle
them.

Will put in a 9340  2.6 4 core (8 thread) cpu  (some have the 1.73Ghz)
and 16GB Memory if anyone wants one.
They also come with the 8 Gbit fiber-channel mezzanine card.

Nothing else

Shipping & Handling is $100 in the US as we have to pay for the boxes
and foam and test.
Other countries we can get you a price - it will be reasonable.

*Max 2 per consignee*

First come first serve. We will test and update to current firmware levels.
Also will put a new clock battery in them. That is all covered in
shipping price.
*We will NOT ship on your account.*

David
Island Computers

sales@islandco.com

www.islandco.com

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 by: Craig A. Berry - Sat, 26 Feb 2022 13:45 UTC

Sorry for the dumb question but I have no experience with HPE blades;
does one have to already have a blade enclosure (c7000 or whatever) in
order to run one of these things?

On 2/26/22 2:17 AM, David Turner wrote:
> Got about*20* of these left and would rather give them away than recycle
> them.
>
> Will put in a 9340  2.6 4 core (8 thread) cpu  (some have the 1.73Ghz)
> and 16GB Memory if anyone wants one.
> They also come with the 8 Gbit fiber-channel mezzanine card.
>
> Nothing else
>
> Shipping & Handling is $100 in the US as we have to pay for the boxes
> and foam and test.
> Other countries we can get you a price - it will be reasonable.
>
> *Max 2 per consignee*
>
> First come first serve. We will test and update to current firmware levels.
> Also will put a new clock battery in them. That is all covered in
> shipping price.
> *We will NOT ship on your account.*
>
> David
> Island Computers
>
> sales@islandco.com
>
> www.islandco.com
>
>

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 by: Robert A. Brooks - Sat, 26 Feb 2022 14:18 UTC

On 2/26/2022 8:45 AM, Craig A. Berry wrote:
>
> Sorry for the dumb question but I have no experience with HPE blades;
> does one have to already have a blade enclosure (c7000 or whatever) in
> order to run one of these things?

Yeah, you'll need either a C7000 or a C3000 enclosure with relevant
other hardware (Onboard Administrator, power supplies, Virtual Connect
modules for ethernet and fibre channel).

--
-- Rob

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 by: gah4 - Sun, 27 Feb 2022 06:26 UTC

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 6:18:18 AM UTC-8, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
> On 2/26/2022 8:45 AM, Craig A. Berry wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for the dumb question but I have no experience with HPE blades;
> > does one have to already have a blade enclosure (c7000 or whatever) in
> > order to run one of these things?

> Yeah, you'll need either a C7000 or a C3000 enclosure with relevant
> other hardware (Onboard Administrator, power supplies, Virtual Connect
> modules for ethernet and fibre channel).

It seems that you can get a C7000, I believe with power supplies, on eBay for $216.

Separate power supplies $20 or $25.

That is for a 2400W or so power supply,

I couldn't find an actual price on the HPE site, but could ask for a quote.

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 by: John H. Reinhardt - Sun, 27 Feb 2022 17:47 UTC

On 2/27/2022 12:26 AM, gah4 wrote:
> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 6:18:18 AM UTC-8, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
>> On 2/26/2022 8:45 AM, Craig A. Berry wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry for the dumb question but I have no experience with HPE blades;
>>> does one have to already have a blade enclosure (c7000 or whatever) in
>>> order to run one of these things?
>
>> Yeah, you'll need either a C7000 or a C3000 enclosure with relevant
>> other hardware (Onboard Administrator, power supplies, Virtual Connect
>> modules for ethernet and fibre channel).
>
> It seems that you can get a C7000, I believe with power supplies, on eBay for $216.
>
> Separate power supplies $20 or $25.
>
> That is for a 2400W or so power supply,
>
> I couldn't find an actual price on the HPE site, but could ask for a quote.

I picked up a C3000 near me in Dallas a couple years ago for around $600. 6 P/S, the Onboard Administrator and some I/O included. The C3000 was more expensive than some C7000 on Ebay but I could only allow 6U in my 27U rack so the C7000's wouldn't fit.

I was poking around the HPE site yesterday and seem to remember the C3000 there being around $3500 for a bare chassis. The C7000 wasn't listed. IIRC these both are either close to EOL or are EOL with HPE moving on to something else in the blade area.

--
John H. Reinhardt

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 by: David Turner - Sun, 27 Feb 2022 18:39 UTC

We had to buy 2 for testing, but I was not trusting some of the offers
on Ebay
We eventually ordered 2 with 1 x OA in each for $2200 each
new Snaphat battery in each and a firmware update and they worked well.
Thing is, if you have anything more than a server with internal or
directly connected SAS drives, you are in for a long frustrating ride.
I still have customers who don't have the money to get HP specialists to
go in and configure them properly
The firmware (and that DAMNED Flash interface) inconsistencies are
frustrating to say the least.
OA requires a specific older firmware to work with the 8Gbit fiber
pasthrough, and 10Gbit VC are almost impossible to play with
If anyone has a lot of history with these, I would love to see some
example firmware compatibility charts for each device to work with FLASH
The command line configuration utility is another option I know, but
extremely alien to most of my customers

DT

On 2/27/2022 12:47 PM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
> On 2/27/2022 12:26 AM, gah4 wrote:
>> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 6:18:18 AM UTC-8, Robert A. Brooks
>> wrote:
>>> On 2/26/2022 8:45 AM, Craig A. Berry wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the dumb question but I have no experience with HPE blades;
>>>> does one have to already have a blade enclosure (c7000 or whatever) in
>>>> order to run one of these things?
>>
>>> Yeah, you'll need either a C7000 or a C3000 enclosure with relevant
>>> other hardware (Onboard Administrator, power supplies, Virtual Connect
>>> modules for ethernet and fibre channel).
>>
>> It seems that you can get a C7000, I believe with power supplies, on
>> eBay for $216.
>>
>> Separate power supplies $20 or $25.
>>
>> That is for a 2400W or so power supply,
>>
>> I couldn't find an actual price on the HPE site, but could ask for a
>> quote.
>
> I picked up a C3000 near me in Dallas a couple years ago for around
> $600.  6 P/S, the Onboard Administrator and some I/O included.  The
> C3000 was more expensive than some C7000 on Ebay but I could only
> allow 6U in my 27U rack so the C7000's wouldn't fit.
>
> I was poking around the HPE site yesterday and seem to remember the
> C3000 there being around $3500 for a bare chassis.  The C7000 wasn't
> listed.  IIRC these both are either close to EOL or are EOL with HPE
> moving on to something else in the blade area.
>

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On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:18:04 AM UTC-8, David Turner wrote:
> Got about*20* of these left and would rather give them away than recycle
> them.

> Will put in a 9340 2.6 4 core (8 thread) cpu (some have the 1.73Ghz)
> and 16GB Memory if anyone wants one.
> They also come with the 8 Gbit fiber-channel mezzanine card.

So how do these compare to the RX2600?

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 by: David Turner - Sun, 27 Feb 2022 20:56 UTC

Well, they're completely different

Quickspecs

https://www.hpe.com/psnow/doc/c04111681?jumpid=in_lit-psnow-red

On 2/27/2022 3:02 PM, gah4 wrote:
> On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:18:04 AM UTC-8, David Turner wrote:
>> Got about*20* of these left and would rather give them away than recycle
>> them.
>> Will put in a 9340 2.6 4 core (8 thread) cpu (some have the 1.73Ghz)
>> and 16GB Memory if anyone wants one.
>> They also come with the 8 Gbit fiber-channel mezzanine card.
>
> So how do these compare to the RX2600?
>

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 by: Mark DeArman - Mon, 28 Feb 2022 01:45 UTC

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 03:17:58 -0500, David Turner
<dturner@islandco.com> wrote:

>Got about*20* of these left and would rather give them away than recycle
>them.
>

<snip>

David, I sent you an email. I would love to pick one of these up from
you. I've actually been saving space for years now in my C3000 to
replace my rx2620. They were all over the market for years, for like
100$ and then dissapeared. I kept meaning to migrate it all over, but
just never got around to it. It will save me a lot of headache doing
the upgrade to the hobbyist VSI VMS, instead of upgrading the running
system.

Thanks,
Mark

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 by: gah4 - Mon, 28 Feb 2022 01:46 UTC

On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 12:57:04 PM UTC-8, David Turner wrote:
> Well, they're completely different

As far as I know, they are both Itanium based Integrity servers.

But other than that, I suspect they are pretty different.

But if one, for example, wanted to replace an RX2600 with
a BL860c (and C3000 and such), how might they compare?

How much faster is the BL860c?

(And, unfortunately, how do they compare in power usage?)

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 by: Mark DeArman - Mon, 28 Feb 2022 01:57 UTC

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 17:46:11 -0800 (PST), gah4 <gah4@u.washington.edu>
wrote:

>On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 12:57:04 PM UTC-8, David Turner wrote:
>> Well, they're completely different
>
>As far as I know, they are both Itanium based Integrity servers.
>
>But other than that, I suspect they are pretty different.
>
>But if one, for example, wanted to replace an RX2600 with
>a BL860c (and C3000 and such), how might they compare?
>
>How much faster is the BL860c?
>
>(And, unfortunately, how do they compare in power usage?)
>
>
>

All I can add, is I belive my from my estimates, is that my rx2620
with three drives populated, accounts for about 500W of continuous
usage. Very high. Compared to everything else in the cabinet.

Mark

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 by: Robert A. Brooks - Mon, 28 Feb 2022 15:34 UTC

On 2/27/2022 1:39 PM, David Turner wrote:

> The command line configuration utility is another option I know, but extremely alien to most of my customers

I use this Windows batch command file to update the virtual connect firmware.

It never fails.

REM
REM While there is a GUI for the VCSU utility, I find it easier to use
REM the VCSU CLI to perform an upgrade. Below is how
REM it works for me
REM
REM below is the actual command line that worked for upgrading
REM the storage dev VC firmware from my PC. Note that you need to have
REM your default directory as the location of the utility.
REM
REM On my system, it's C:\Program Files (x86)\Hewlett Packard Enterprise\Virtual Connect Support Utility>
REM
REM vcsu -a update -i <OA address> -u <OA Admin user> -p <OA password> -vcu <VC Admin user> -vcp <VC password> -l C:\tmp\vcfwall485.bin -oe manual -of manual
REM
REM please replace the following with your
REM actual information
REM <OA address>
REM <OA Admin username>
REM <OA password>
REM <VC Admin username>
REM <VC password>
REM <VC firmware location>
REM
REM Note that the "^" character is the Windows command line
REM continuation character.

vcsu -a update -i <OA address> -u <OA Admin name> -p <OA Admin password> ^
-vcu <VC Admin name> -vcp <VC Admin password> ^
-l <VC firmware location> -oe manual -of manual

--

-- Rob

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On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC-8, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
> On 2/27/2022 1:39 PM, David Turner wrote:
>
> > The command line configuration utility is another option I know, but extremely alien to most of my customers
> I use this Windows batch command file to update the virtual connect firmware.
>
> It never fails.
>
> REM
> REM While there is a GUI for the VCSU utility, I find it easier to use
> REM the VCSU CLI to perform an upgrade. Below is how
> REM it works for me
> REM
> REM below is the actual command line that worked for upgrading
> REM the storage dev VC firmware from my PC. Note that you need to have
> REM your default directory as the location of the utility.
> REM
> REM On my system, it's C:\Program Files (x86)\Hewlett Packard Enterprise\Virtual Connect Support Utility>
> REM
> REM vcsu -a update -i <OA address> -u <OA Admin user> -p <OA password> -vcu <VC Admin user> -vcp <VC password> -l C:\tmp\vcfwall485.bin -oe manual -of manual
> REM
> REM please replace the following with your
> REM actual information
> REM <OA address>
> REM <OA Admin username>
> REM <OA password>
> REM <VC Admin username>
> REM <VC password>
> REM <VC firmware location>
> REM
> REM Note that the "^" character is the Windows command line
> REM continuation character.
>
> vcsu -a update -i <OA address> -u <OA Admin name> -p <OA Admin password> ^
> -vcu <VC Admin name> -vcp <VC Admin password> ^
> -l <VC firmware location> -oe manual -of manual
>
>
> --
>
> -- Rob
BL860c is faster then rx2600 for sure.

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 by: David Turner - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 17:32 UTC

All gone.
Glad I could help people out on these

David

On 2/27/2022 8:45 PM, Mark DeArman wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 03:17:58 -0500, David Turner
> <dturner@islandco.com> wrote:
>
>> Got about*20* of these left and would rather give them away than recycle
>> them.
>>
> <snip>
>
>
> David, I sent you an email. I would love to pick one of these up from
> you. I've actually been saving space for years now in my C3000 to
> replace my rx2620. They were all over the market for years, for like
> 100$ and then dissapeared. I kept meaning to migrate it all over, but
> just never got around to it. It will save me a lot of headache doing
> the upgrade to the hobbyist VSI VMS, instead of upgrading the running
> system.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark

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 by: Hans Bachner - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 20:00 UTC

Robert A. Brooks schrieb am 28.02.2022 um 16:34:
> On 2/27/2022 1:39 PM, David Turner wrote:
>
>> The command line configuration utility is another option I know, but
>> extremely alien to most of my customers
>
> I use this Windows batch command file to update the virtual connect
> firmware.
>
> It never fails.
>
> REM
> REM While there is a GUI for the VCSU utility, I find it easier to use
> REM the VCSU CLI to perform an upgrade.  Below is how
> REM it works for me
> REM
> REM [...]
>
> vcsu -a update -i <OA address> -u <OA Admin name> -p <OA Admin password> ^
> -vcu <VC Admin name> -vcp <VC Admin password> ^
> -l <VC firmware location> -oe manual -of manual

I've also used the vcsu command line interface successfully in the past,
but did not create a batch file - it's used rarely. "vcsu -a help" or
"vcsu -a update" explains everything you want to know.

Hans.

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 by: Michael Moroney - Fri, 4 Mar 2022 06:50 UTC

On 3/2/2022 12:32 PM, David Turner wrote:
> All gone.
> Glad I could help people out on these
>
> David

I also have about a dozen of these, currently untested. I don't know if
there is still interest in more after David's batch.

I have a C3000 enclosure to test these, I just haven't done so yet and I
haven't tested the C3000 itself.

I don't have suitable shipping boxes, these things are an odd size, flat
long and heavy.

I will write back here when some are available, or email me at
lastname[@]accvio.com.

Mike Moroney

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