Just a bit of fun.

When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?

For me:

For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022

For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022

For C/C++: 17-May-2022

These are all Tuesday, because as we all know, everything happens on
a Tuesday. :-)

Simon.

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Den 2022-04-09 kl. 21:12, skrev Simon Clubley:
> Just a bit of fun.
>
> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?
>
> For me:
>
> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
>
> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
>
> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
>
> These are all Tuesday, because as we all know, everything happens on
> a Tuesday. :-)
>
> Simon.
>

Well, as I'm sure that everyone knows very well, the name Tuesday
goes back to the nordic god Tyr (Norwegian) or Tor (Swedish).
That was the god of war. Seems appropriate in our current time...

I think I'd rather just wait for the actual release... :-)

On 4/9/22 17:54, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2022-04-09 kl. 21:12, skrev Simon Clubley:
>> Just a bit of fun.
>>
>> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?
>>
>> For me:
>>
>> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
>>
>> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
>>
>> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
>>
>> These are all Tuesday, because as we all know, everything happens on
>> a Tuesday. :-)
>>
>> Simon.
>>
>
> Well, as I'm sure that everyone knows very well, the name Tuesday
> goes back to the nordic god Tyr (Norwegian) or Tor (Swedish).
> That was the god of war. Seems appropriate in our current time...
>

I believe that was Thursday.

> I think I'd rather just wait for the actual release... :-)

As everyone will.

bill

Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> writes:

> On 4/9/22 17:54, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Den 2022-04-09 kl. 21:12, skrev Simon Clubley:
>>> Just a bit of fun.

>>> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?

>>> For me:

>>> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022

>>> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022

>>> For C/C++: 17-May-2022

>>> These are all Tuesday, because as we all know, everything happens on
>>> a Tuesday. :-)

>> Well, as I'm sure that everyone knows very well, the name Tuesday
>> goes back to the nordic god Tyr (Norwegian) or Tor (Swedish).
>> That was the god of war. Seems appropriate in our current time...

> I believe that was Thursday.

>> I think I'd rather just wait for the actual release... :-)

> As everyone will.

There are two gods in question here, Germanic *Tiwaz and *Thonar. In English,
the latter comes to us as the common noun _thunder_, the former in the day of
the week name Tuesday. In Old Norse, we get Tyr and Thorr; in German we get
Donner and the dialectal day name Ziestag [tsi:stak].

The interesting thing about *Tiwaz is that this is the Germanic form of the
name of the sky Father god: Indo-European *Dye:us/*Diwos, also found in
Sanskrit Dyaus Pitar, Greek Ze~u pater, Latin Iu:piter ~ Iuppiter. So in the
Germanic cultures he was demoted to a watchman over a bridge into the heavens
from being the incarnation of the heavens.

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omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen

Den 2022-04-10 kl. 00:16, skrev Bill Gunshannon:
> On 4/9/22 17:54, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Den 2022-04-09 kl. 21:12, skrev Simon Clubley:
>>> Just a bit of fun.
>>>
>>> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?
>>>
>>> For me:
>>>
>>> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
>>>
>>> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
>>>
>>> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
>>>
>>> These are all Tuesday, because as we all know, everything happens on
>>> a Tuesday. :-)
>>>
>>> Simon.
>>>
>>
>> Well, as I'm sure that everyone knows very well, the name Tuesday
>> goes back to the nordic god Tyr (Norwegian) or Tor (Swedish).
>> That was the god of war. Seems appropriate in our current time...
>>
>
> I believe that was Thursday.

Yes, sorry. Mixed them up. In Swedish spelling:
Thuesday -> Tor.
Tuesday -> Tyr.
Rich gave some more background.

On 10/04/2022 3:12 am, Simon Clubley wrote:
> Just a bit of fun.
>
> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?
>
> For me:
>
> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
>
> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
>
> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
>
> These are all Tuesday, because as we all know, everything happens on
> a Tuesday. :-)
>
> Simon.
>

John Reagan must be in for another pit stop? New Heart, Kidneys?

Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 4/9/22 17:54, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Den 2022-04-09 kl. 21:12, skrev Simon Clubley:
>>> Just a bit of fun.
>>>
>>> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?
>>>
>>> For me:
>>>
>>> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
>>>
>>> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
>>>
>>> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
>>>
>>> These are all Tuesday, because as we all know, everything happens on
>>> a Tuesday. :-)
>>>
>>> Simon.
>>>
>>
>> Well, as I'm sure that everyone knows very well, the name Tuesday
>> goes back to the nordic god Tyr (Norwegian) or Tor (Swedish).
>> That was the god of war. Seems appropriate in our current time...
>>
>
> I believe that was Thursday.
>

As I know it:
Tuesday (in Dutch dinsdag) is called after Tyr (also called
Thingsus). He was indeed a god of war

Thursday (in Dutch donderdag) is called after Donar (also called
Thor) He is the god of thunder.

Jouk

On 2022-04-10, Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/04/2022 3:12 am, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> Just a bit of fun.
>>
>> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?
>>
>> For me:
>>
>> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
>>
>> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
>>
>> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
>>
>> These are all Tuesday, because as we all know, everything happens on
>> a Tuesday. :-)
>>
>
> John Reagan must be in for another pit stop? New Heart, Kidneys?

You know Richard, you are a really charming person at times. :-)

Simon.

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Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

On 11/04/2022 8:52 pm, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2022-04-10, Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/04/2022 3:12 am, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> Just a bit of fun.
>>>
>>> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?
>>>
>>> For me:
>>>
>>> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
>>>
>>> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
>>>
>>> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
>>>
>>> These are all Tuesday, because as we all know, everything happens
>>> on a Tuesday. :-)
>>>
>>
>> John Reagan must be in for another pit stop? New Heart, Kidneys?
>
> You know Richard, you are a really charming person at times. :-)
>
> Simon.
>

Look, I know how he feels. If I leave my wallet behind one more fucking
time :-(

WRT John's productivity, I've heard the delay is down to him asking for
appointments for 3rd and 4th opinions on the size of host prostate.
Strange . . .

On 04/13/22 01:48, Richard Maher wrote:
> On 11/04/2022 8:52 pm, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> On 2022-04-10, Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/04/2022 3:12 am, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>> Just a bit of fun.
>>>>
>>>> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?
>>>>
>>>> For me:
>>>>
>>>> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
>>>>
>>>> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
>>>>
>>>> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
>>>>
>>>> These are all Tuesday, because as we all know, everything happens
>>>> on a Tuesday. :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> John Reagan must be in for another pit stop? New Heart, Kidneys?
>>
>> You know Richard, you are a really charming person at times. :-)
>>
>> Simon.
>>
>
> Look, I know how he feels. If I leave my wallet behind one more fucking
> time :-(
>
> WRT John's productivity, I've heard the delay is down to him asking for
> appointments for 3rd and 4th opinions on the size of host prostate.
> Strange . . .

Ah yes, the diseases of old men, but not usually terminal if caught
early enough !...

Chris

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 8:48:36 PM UTC-4, Richard Maher wrote:
> On 11/04/2022 8:52 pm, Simon Clubley wrote:
> > On 2022-04-10, Richard Maher <maher_rj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 10/04/2022 3:12 am, Simon Clubley wrote:
> >>> Just a bit of fun.
> >>>
> >>> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?
> >>>
> >>> For me:
> >>>
> >>> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
> >>>
> >>> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
> >>>
> >>> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
> >>>
> >>> These are all Tuesday, because as we all know, everything happens
> >>> on a Tuesday. :-)
> >>>
> >>
> >> John Reagan must be in for another pit stop? New Heart, Kidneys?
> >
> > You know Richard, you are a really charming person at times. :-)
> >
> > Simon.
> >
> Look, I know how he feels. If I leave my wallet behind one more fucking
> time :-(
>
> WRT John's productivity, I've heard the delay is down to him asking for
> appointments for 3rd and 4th opinions on the size of host prostate.
> Strange . . .
Well, that turned dark pretty quick

On 4/9/2022 3:12 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?
>
> For me:
>
> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
>
> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
>
> For C/C++: 17-May-2022

You forgot Pascal!

Booo........

Arne

On 2022-04-13, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
> On 4/9/2022 3:12 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?
>>
>> For me:
>>
>> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
>>
>> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
>>
>> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
>
> You forgot Pascal!
>

Oops...

For Pascal: 2-Aug-2022

> Booo........
>

:-)

Simon.

PS: You could of course always offer your own estimates... :-)

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Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

On 2022-04-13, John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 8:48:36 PM UTC-4, Richard Maher wrote:
>> On 11/04/2022 8:52 pm, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> > On 2022-04-10, Richard Maher <maher_rj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> John Reagan must be in for another pit stop? New Heart, Kidneys?
>> >
>> > You know Richard, you are a really charming person at times. :-)
>> >
>> Look, I know how he feels. If I leave my wallet behind one more fucking
>> time :-(
>>
>> WRT John's productivity, I've heard the delay is down to him asking for
>> appointments for 3rd and 4th opinions on the size of host prostate.
>> Strange . . .
> Well, that turned dark pretty quick

Yes it did. Richard, you have boundary issues... :-)

Simon.

PS: BTW John, do my shipping date guesses in any way resemble reality ? :-)

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Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

On Wed, 2022-04-13 at 14:42 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> You forgot Pascal!

Nice language, it must be the only one I'm aware of that allows nested
procedures and functions. I've not met another programming language
that allows that.
--
Tactical Nuclear Kittens

On 4/13/2022 6:39 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-04-13 at 14:42 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> You forgot Pascal!
>
> Nice language,

Yes.

> it must be the only one I'm aware of that allows nested
> procedures and functions. I've not met another programming language
> that allows that.

C# allows something similar since version 7 (non-static) / 8 (static).

This works:

using System;

namespace E
{ public class C
{
public int M1()
{
int M()
{
return 1;
}
return M() + 1;
}
public int M2()
{
int M()
{
return 2;
}
return M() + 2;
}
}
public class Program
{
public static void Main(string[] args)
{
C o = new C();
Console.WriteLine("{0} {1}", o.M1(), o.M2());
}
}
}

The two M's are local in M1 and M2 respectively.

Arne

On 4/13/2022 2:31 PM, John Reagan wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 8:48:36 PM UTC-4, Richard Maher wrote:
>> On 11/04/2022 8:52 pm, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-10, Richard Maher <maher_rj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/04/2022 3:12 am, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>> Just a bit of fun.
>>>>>
>>>>> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?
>>>>>
>>>>> For me:
>>>>>
>>>>> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
>>>>>
>>>>> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
>>>>>
>>>>> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
>>>>>
>>>>> These are all Tuesday, because as we all know, everything happens
>>>>> on a Tuesday. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Reagan must be in for another pit stop? New Heart, Kidneys?
>>>
>>> You know Richard, you are a really charming person at times. :-)
>>>
>>> Simon.
>>>
>> Look, I know how he feels. If I leave my wallet behind one more fucking
>> time :-(
>>
>> WRT John's productivity, I've heard the delay is down to him asking for
>> appointments for 3rd and 4th opinions on the size of host prostate.
>> Strange . . .
> Well, that turned dark pretty quick
>

It's Richard, what else did you expect?

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Vanderbilt, PA 15486

On 4/13/2022 2:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 4/9/2022 3:12 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?
>>
>> For me:
>>
>> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
>>
>> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
>>
>> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
>
> You forgot Pascal!
>
> Booo........
>
> Arne
>
>

Hey, it's John, Pascal is probably already working ...

--
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Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

On 4/13/2022 6:39 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-04-13 at 14:42 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> You forgot Pascal!
>
> Nice language, it must be the only one I'm aware of that allows nested
> procedures and functions. I've not met another programming language
> that allows that.
>

Can you better define nested functions? Then I can decide if Basic allows such.

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DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 3:46:25 PM UTC-4, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2022-04-13, John Reagan <xyzz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 8:48:36 PM UTC-4, Richard Maher wrote:
> >> On 11/04/2022 8:52 pm, Simon Clubley wrote:
> >> > On 2022-04-10, Richard Maher <maher_rj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> John Reagan must be in for another pit stop? New Heart, Kidneys?
> >> >
> >> > You know Richard, you are a really charming person at times. :-)
> >> >
> >> Look, I know how he feels. If I leave my wallet behind one more fucking
> >> time :-(
> >>
> >> WRT John's productivity, I've heard the delay is down to him asking for
> >> appointments for 3rd and 4th opinions on the size of host prostate.
> >> Strange . . .
> > Well, that turned dark pretty quick
> Yes it did. Richard, you have boundary issues... :-)
>
> Simon.
>
> PS: BTW John, do my shipping date guesses in any way resemble reality ? :-)
> --
> Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
> Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.
It isn't fair for me to play since I can influence the outcome. I'm not really paying attention to the guesstimates so far.

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 7:01:27 PM UTC-4, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-04-13 at 14:42 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> > You forgot Pascal!
>
> Nice language, it must be the only one I'm aware of that allows nested
> procedures and functions. I've not met another programming language
> that allows that.
> --
> Tactical Nuclear Kittens
gcc allows nested functions. I don't remember if they allow uplevel access or if it just a scope thing.

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 8:43:42 PM UTC-4, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 4/13/2022 6:39 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
> > On Wed, 2022-04-13 at 14:42 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> >> You forgot Pascal!
> >
> > Nice language, it must be the only one I'm aware of that allows nested
> > procedures and functions. I've not met another programming language
> > that allows that.
> >
> Can you better define nested functions? Then I can decide if Basic allows such.
> --
> David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: da...@tsoft-inc.com
> DFE Ultralights, Inc.
> 170 Grimplin Road
> Vanderbilt, PA 15486
Yes, both BASIC DEFFUN and Fortran statement functions provide a 1-frame deep uplevel reference

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 8:37:39 PM UTC-4, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 4/13/2022 2:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> > On 4/9/2022 3:12 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> >> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship ?
> >>
> >> For me:
> >>
> >> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
> >>
> >> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
> >>
> >> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
> >
> > You forgot Pascal!
> >
> > Booo........
> >
> > Arne
> >
> >
> Hey, it's John, Pascal is probably already working ...
> --
> David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: da...@tsoft-inc.com
> DFE Ultralights, Inc.
> 170 Grimplin Road
> Vanderbilt, PA 15486
I have not tried to build a native Pascal yet. Perhaps I should just to screw with the estimates, eh?

On 14/04/2022 2:31 am, John Reagan wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 8:48:36 PM UTC-4, Richard Maher wrote:
>> On 11/04/2022 8:52 pm, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-10, Richard Maher <maher_rj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/04/2022 3:12 am, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>> Just a bit of fun.
>>>>>
>>>>> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> For me:
>>>>>
>>>>> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
>>>>>
>>>>> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
>>>>>
>>>>> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
>>>>>
>>>>> These are all Tuesday, because as we all know, everything
>>>>> happens on a Tuesday. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Reagan must be in for another pit stop? New Heart,
>>>> Kidneys?
>>>
>>> You know Richard, you are a really charming person at times. :-)
>>>
>>> Simon.
>>>
>> Look, I know how he feels. If I leave my wallet behind one more
>> fucking time :-(
>>
>> WRT John's productivity, I've heard the delay is down to him asking
>> for appointments for 3rd and 4th opinions on the size of host
>> prostate. Strange . . .
> Well, that turned dark pretty quick

It's ok Shtarker; this ist COV. We don't judge here!

On 14/04/2022 8:36 am, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 4/13/2022 2:31 PM, John Reagan wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 8:48:36 PM UTC-4, Richard Maher
>> wrote:
>>> On 11/04/2022 8:52 pm, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-10, Richard Maher <maher_rj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/04/2022 3:12 am, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>>> Just a bit of fun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When do you think the native x86-64 VMS compilers will ship
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For COBOL and Fortran: 12-Jul-2022
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For BASIC: 11-Oct-2022
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For C/C++: 17-May-2022
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are all Tuesday, because as we all know, everything
>>>>>> happens on a Tuesday. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Reagan must be in for another pit stop? New Heart,
>>>>> Kidneys?
>>>>
>>>> You know Richard, you are a really charming person at times.
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Simon.
>>>>
>>> Look, I know how he feels. If I leave my wallet behind one more
>>> fucking time :-(
>>>
>>> WRT John's productivity, I've heard the delay is down to him
>>> asking for appointments for 3rd and 4th opinions on the size of
>>> host prostate. Strange . . .
>> Well, that turned dark pretty quick
>>
>
> It's Richard, what else did you expect?
>

Scintillating repartee :-)

COBOL evangelism, Love of protected subsystems (eg RMS, Rdb), Depression
and PTSD after years of VMS abuse, dreams of VMS backend resurgence. . .