The Firefox Tor has at least five builtin bridge options.
[1]no bridge

[2]obfs4 is a type of built-in bridge that makes your Tor traffic look
random. They are also less likely to be blocked than their predecessors,
obfs3 bridges.

[3]Snowflake is a built-in bridge that defeats censorship by routing your
connection through Snowflake proxies, ran by volunteers.

[4]meek-azure is a built-in bridge that makes it look like you are using a
Microsoft web site instead of using Tor.

How do YOU choose between those five builtin bridge options?
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On Thu, 8 Jun 2023 19:37:15 -0500, "J.B. Wood"
<arl_123234@hotmail.com> wrote:

>The Firefox Tor has at least five builtin bridge options.
>[1]no bridge
>
>[2]obfs4 is a type of built-in bridge that makes your Tor traffic look
>random. They are also less likely to be blocked than their predecessors,
>obfs3 bridges.
>
>[3]Snowflake is a built-in bridge that defeats censorship by routing your
>connection through Snowflake proxies, ran by volunteers.
>
>[4]meek-azure is a built-in bridge that makes it look like you are using a
>Microsoft web site instead of using Tor.
>
>How do YOU choose between those five builtin bridge options?

You might try that question in alt.privacy.anon-server group.

J.B. Wood wrote:
> The Firefox Tor has at least five builtin bridge options.
[..snip..]
> How do YOU choose between those five builtin bridge options?

I only use this Firefox "Tor Browser" if i really feel to *need* it.
So i don't configure anything.
It's not meant for "everyday browsing".

On 08/06/23 21:01, Frank Miller wrote:

> I only use this Firefox "Tor Browser" if i really feel to *need* it.
> So i don't configure anything.
> It's not meant for "everyday browsing".

Why not?
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On 2023-06-09 19:28, Peter Moylin wrote:
> On 08/06/23 21:01, Frank Miller wrote:
>
>> I only use this Firefox "Tor Browser" if i really feel to *need* it.
>> So i don't configure anything.
>> It's not meant for "everyday browsing".
>
> Why not?

Because it overloads the network with unneeded traffic, a network that
is limited and run by volunteers, making it to run slowly for those that
really need to use it.

--
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On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 19:28:23 +0200, Peter Moylin
<peter@moylin.invalid> wrote:

>On 08/06/23 21:01, Frank Miller wrote:
>
>> I only use this Firefox "Tor Browser" if i really feel to *need* it.
>> So i don't configure anything.
>> It's not meant for "everyday browsing".
>
>Why not?

Read the reason for Tor's setting here.

https://tb-manual.torproject.org/security-settings/

Change a setting, or ad an extension, and you could possibly disable
Tor's protection. There will be sites you simply cannot reach. In
that case, do another search for the subject you want to read about
and you probably will find it on a page that allows Tor to access
it. That's what I do.

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> said:

>>> I only use this Firefox "Tor Browser" if i really feel to *need* it.
>>> So i don't configure anything.
>>> It's not meant for "everyday browsing".
>>
>> Why not?
>
> Because it overloads the network with unneeded traffic, a network that
> is limited and run by volunteers, making it to run slowly for those that
> really need to use it.

But how are you going to get the anonymity you need if you don't use it?

On 2023-06-09 23:13, Eowin O wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> said:
>
>>>> I only use this Firefox "Tor Browser" if i really feel to *need* it.
>>>> So i don't configure anything.
>>>> It's not meant for "everyday browsing".
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>
>> Because it overloads the network with unneeded traffic, a network that
>> is limited and run by volunteers, making it to run slowly for those that
>> really need to use it.
>
> But how are you going to get the anonymity you need if you don't use it?

Huh?

Do you _really_ need it? Are you, for instance, living in a country
where speaking to journalists can get you dead? Like, for instance,
Russia, and you are talking against Putin.

Or the only thing you want is google not tracking your purchasing habits
and sending you tailored commercials?

--
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Peter Moylin wrote:
> On 08/06/23 21:01, Frank Miller wrote:
>
>> I only use this Firefox "Tor Browser" if i really feel to *need* it.
>> So i don't configure anything.
>> It's not meant for "everyday browsing".
>
> Why not?

The tor network and tor browser were developed for people who are in danger
if something about their real identity is leaked on the Internet.
For example in countries with no free speech, no free access to informations
outside their land or whisteblowers.

Because it is driven by volunteers and routed around the world it's bandwidth
and speed is somehow limited.
So if you for example unnecessarily try to stream a video that is publicly
available in your country via tor browser, you 'steal' some capacity from
people, who are really in need.

On 10.6.2023 01:18, Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> wrote:

>> Why not?
>
> The tor network and tor browser were developed for people who are in danger
> if something about their real identity is leaked on the Internet.

I don't think that is entirely true as they market the firefox tor browser
to everyone alive who wants to have a bit of anonymity when on the web.

It's supposed to replace the non-secure non-anonymous normal firefox.

> For example in countries with no free speech, no free access to informations
> outside their land or whisteblowers.

The more people who use the firefox tor browser the safer everyone is.

Ask the guy at Harvard who mailed in a bomb scare and they knocked on his
door, not at all because tor fingered him - but he was the only one using
it on the campus network at the time that the bomb scare was emailed in.

> Because it is driven by volunteers and routed around the world it's bandwidth
> and speed is somehow limited.

Yet they advertise that the firefox tor browser is for everyone to use.

> So if you for example unnecessarily try to stream a video that is publicly
> available in your country via tor browser, you 'steal' some capacity from
> people, who are really in need.

That they do frown upon - but normal web browsing isn't data intensive.

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> said:

>>>>> I only use this Firefox "Tor Browser" if i really feel to *need* it.
>>>>> So i don't configure anything.
>>>>> It's not meant for "everyday browsing".
>>>>
>>>> Why not?
>>>
>>> Because it overloads the network with unneeded traffic, a network that
>>> is limited and run by volunteers, making it to run slowly for those that
>>> really need to use it.
>>
>> But how are you going to get the anonymity you need if you don't use it?
>
> Huh?
>
> Do you _really_ need it? Are you, for instance, living in a country
> where speaking to journalists can get you dead? Like, for instance,
> Russia, and you are talking against Putin.
>
> Or the only thing you want is google not tracking your purchasing habits
> and sending you tailored commercials?

I don't know exactly who is tracking when I visit any given web page.
But why do I want anyone to be tracking my visits to any given web page?

Firefox allows the tracking to happen.
Tor doesn't.

What reason would there be to not use it when it does what firefox does.
But without the tracking.

On 09.06.23 22:01, mark@invalid.com wrote:

>>> I only use this Firefox "Tor Browser" if i really feel to *need* it.
>>> So i don't configure anything.
>>> It's not meant for "everyday browsing".
>>
>>Why not?
>
> Read the reason for Tor's setting here.
>
> https://tb-manual.torproject.org/security-settings/
>
> Change a setting, or ad an extension, and you could possibly disable
> Tor's protection.

A bridge adds to tor's protection. It doesn't disable it.
In its simplest form, a tor bridge is an unpublished tor node.

In fact, recently in Belarus, the slogan has been "Use Tor, use bridges!"
https://twitter.com/0xggus/status/1293637967500771330

> There will be sites you simply cannot reach.

That's not why you use a tor bridge.
You use tor bridges to make the first hop less noticeable as a tor node.

> In that case, do another search for the subject you want to read about
> and you probably will find it on a page that allows Tor to access
> it.

All the tor bridge does is add to Firefox an initial tor node that isn't
advertised to be a tor node (which is in addition to the 3 tor nodes).

There are 4 variations for the 2,500,000 tor users daily.
[1] direct (this is 98% of tor users as only 2% use bridges)
[2] public (90% of bridge users use the public tor bridges)
[3] unlisted (10% of bridge users use the unlisted tor bridges)
[4] private (nobody knows the percent but it's likely not large)

https://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/893-Tor-0day-Tracking-Bridge-Users.html

> That's what I do.

An additional tor node (hidden or not) won't stop nation state tracking.
But it will help the average user when she googles for her cooky recipe.

Why should she be tracked in everything she does when she can drop firefox
for the firefox tor bundle and finally all that tracking instantly stops.
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On 10/06/23 20:25, Stefan Claas wrote:
> An additional tor node (hidden or not) won't stop nation state tracking.
> But it will help the average user when she googles for her cooky recipe.
>
> Why should she be tracked in everything she does when she can drop firefox
> for the firefox tor bundle and finally all that tracking instantly stops.

For the average user, the only time to use the regular firefox is when
logging into your own router on your own network.

If you're on the internet, you should be using a hardened firefox only.
--
Peter Moylin

On 2023-06-12 11:34, Peter Moylin wrote:
> On 10/06/23 20:25, Stefan Claas wrote:
>> An additional tor node (hidden or not) won't stop nation state tracking.
>> But it will help the average user when she googles for her cooky recipe.
>>
>> Why should she be tracked in everything she does when she can drop
>> firefox
>> for the firefox tor bundle and finally all that tracking instantly stops.
>
> For the average user, the only time to use the regular firefox is when
> logging into your own router on your own network.
>
> If you're on the internet, you should be using a hardened firefox only.

Nope.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:48:51 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2023-06-12 11:34, Peter Moylin wrote:
>> On 10/06/23 20:25, Stefan Claas wrote:
>>> An additional tor node (hidden or not) won't stop nation state tracking.
>>> But it will help the average user when she googles for her cooky recipe.
>>>
>>> Why should she be tracked in everything she does when she can drop
>>> firefox
>>> for the firefox tor bundle and finally all that tracking instantly stops.
>>
>> For the average user, the only time to use the regular firefox is when
>> logging into your own router on your own network.
>>
>> If you're on the internet, you should be using a hardened firefox only.
>
> Nope.

Not technical enough for you?

On 2023-06-12 15:39, mechanic wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:48:51 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> On 2023-06-12 11:34, Peter Moylin wrote:
>>> On 10/06/23 20:25, Stefan Claas wrote:
>>>> An additional tor node (hidden or not) won't stop nation state tracking.
>>>> But it will help the average user when she googles for her cooky recipe.
>>>>
>>>> Why should she be tracked in everything she does when she can drop
>>>> firefox
>>>> for the firefox tor bundle and finally all that tracking instantly stops.
>>>
>>> For the average user, the only time to use the regular firefox is when
>>> logging into your own router on your own network.
>>>
>>> If you're on the internet, you should be using a hardened firefox only.
>>
>> Nope.
>
> Not technical enough for you?

It is simply not true.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 12-06-2023 20:47 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>>>>> An additional tor node (hidden or not) won't stop nation state tracking.
>>>>> But it will help the average user when she googles for her cooky recipe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should she be tracked in everything she does when she can drop
>>>>> firefox
>>>>> for the firefox tor bundle and finally all that tracking instantly stops.
>>>>
>>>> For the average user, the only time to use the regular firefox is when
>>>> logging into your own router on your own network.
>>>>
>>>> If you're on the internet, you should be using a hardened firefox only.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>> Not technical enough for you?
>
> It is simply not true.

And yet it is. You just don't understand it. Or maybe you don't care.

On 2023-06-12 18:05, mike wrote:
> On 12-06-2023 20:47 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>>>> An additional tor node (hidden or not) won't stop nation state
>>>>>> tracking.
>>>>>> But it will help the average user when she googles for her cooky
>>>>>> recipe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why should she be tracked in everything she does when she can drop
>>>>>> firefox
>>>>>> for the firefox tor bundle and finally all that tracking instantly
>>>>>> stops.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the average user, the only time to use the regular firefox is when
>>>>> logging into your own router on your own network.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're on the internet, you should be using a hardened firefox
>>>>> only.
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> Not technical enough for you?
>>
>> It is simply not true.
>
> And yet it is. You just don't understand it. Or maybe you don't care.

Oh, yes, I do understand, but I don't accept paranoia as a valid reason.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 12-06-2023 20:03 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>>>>>> For the average user, the only time to use the regular firefox is when
>>>>>> logging into your own router on your own network.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're on the internet, you should be using a hardened firefox
>>>>>> only.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>> Not technical enough for you?
>>>
>>> It is simply not true.
>>
>> And yet it is. You just don't understand it. Or maybe you don't care.
>
> Oh, yes, I do understand, but I don't accept paranoia as a valid reason.

You seem to be the kind of person who calls everyone who understands
privacy, paranoid - simply because it's you who doesn't understand firefox.

The problem isn't them. The problem is you. You don't understand privacy.

Because you don't understand privacy (in terms of how firefox doesn't have
it) you feel you have the right to tell others they don't deserve privacy.

On 2023-06-12 6:48 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-06-12 11:34, Peter Moylin wrote:
>> On 10/06/23 20:25, Stefan Claas wrote:
>>> An additional tor node (hidden or not) won't stop nation state tracking.
>>> But it will help the average user when she googles for her cooky recipe.
>>>
>>> Why should she be tracked in everything she does when she can drop
>>> firefox
>>> for the firefox tor bundle and finally all that tracking instantly
>>> stops.
>>
>> For the average user, the only time to use the regular firefox is when
>> logging into your own router on your own network.
>>
>> If you're on the internet, you should be using a hardened firefox only.
>
> Nope.

Yeah, I have to disagree. According to independent tests, Microsoft
Edge, of all browsers, did the best job at protecting the user against
malware and blocked 100% of the garbage being downloaded onto computers.
Firefox was around 90%.

--
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TG: @rabidPedagog
Galatians 6:7

On 13.06.23 21:26, rabidPedagog wrote:

> According to independent tests, Microsoft
> Edge, of all browsers, did the best job at protecting the user against
> malware and blocked 100% of the garbage being downloaded onto computers.
> Firefox was around 90%.

The problem isn't with the people on this type of techy newsgroup.
Those on this newsgroup know how to harden their firefox for privacy.

The problem is the average mom & pop thinks firefox is private.
It's not.

It's not even close.
The hardened firefox is.

The average mom and pop _can_ use the hardened firefox.
If they only knew about it.

But they don't.
So they get no privacy.
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