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* Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004Stephen Fuld
+- Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004Terje Mathisen
`* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004Quadibloc
 `* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004gareth evans
  `* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004John Levine
   `* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004Quadibloc
    `* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004BGB
     +* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004Joe Pfeiffer
     |`* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004Bill Findlay
     | +- Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004MitchAlsup
     | +- Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004Stefan Monnier
     | `* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004BGB
     |  `* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004David Brown
     |   `* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004chris
     |    `* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004BGB
     |     `* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004MitchAlsup
     |      +- Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004Thomas Koenig
     |      +- Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004BGB
     |      +* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004David Brown
     |      |`- Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004BGB
     |      `- Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004Thomas Koenig
     +* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004Thomas Koenig
     |`- Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004BGB
     +* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004Quadibloc
     |+- Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004Quadibloc
     |`- Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004wolfgang kern
     `* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004David Schultz
      +* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004BGB
      |+* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004MitchAlsup
      ||`* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004Terje Mathisen
      || `- Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004MitchAlsup
      |`* Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004Thomas Koenig
      | `- Re: Happy 50th Birthday Intel 4004BGB
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 by: Stephen Fuld - Mon, 15 Nov 2021 16:34 UTC

Today marks the 50th anniversary of the introduction of the Intel 4004.

My, how its grown up! :-)

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/15/1055767733/5-decades-ago-intel-unveiled-the-first-commercially-available-microprocessor

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 by: Terje Mathisen - Mon, 15 Nov 2021 19:20 UTC

Stephen Fuld wrote:
> Today marks the 50th anniversary of the introduction of the Intel 4004.
>
> My, how its grown up!  :-)
>
> https://www.npr.org/2021/11/15/1055767733/5-decades-ago-intel-unveiled-the-first-commercially-available-microprocessor

I'm very happy and also proud that Stan Mazor once invited me to hold a
conference talk about Microprosessor Architecture, which I did by
talking about how "invisible" (i.e. micro-architectural) implementation
details impacts writing fast/optimal code.

I'll admit to having to google his name when the email turned up, at
which point I started getting nervous. :-(

Terje

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- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

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 by: Quadibloc - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 17:31 UTC

On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:34:22 AM UTC-7, Stephen Fuld wrote:
> Today marks the 50th anniversary of the introduction of the Intel 4004.

This, of course, makes me feel old. I am young enough not to have
lived in a time without powerful computers with reliable random-access
memory, having been born after May 7, 1954, the date on which the IBM
704 was announced... but the microprocessor was a new-fangled thing
that came out well after I graduated from high school, and so to hear that
it has been around for over 50 years now, thus leading to a large proportion
of this world's young whipper-snappers never having known a time without
one... is disturbing.

John Savard

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 by: gareth evans - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 17:54 UTC

On 16/11/2021 17:31, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 9:34:22 AM UTC-7, Stephen Fuld wrote:
>> Today marks the 50th anniversary of the introduction of the Intel 4004.
>
> This, of course, makes me feel old. I am young enough not to have
> lived in a time without powerful computers with reliable random-access
> memory, having been born after May 7, 1954, the date on which the IBM
> 704 was announced... but the microprocessor was a new-fangled thing
> that came out well after I graduated from high school, and so to hear that
> it has been around for over 50 years now, thus leading to a large proportion
> of this world's young whipper-snappers never having known a time without
> one... is disturbing.

I remember being in the library in my final year at Essex Uni and
drooling over them in the various electronic enginneering magazines.

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 by: John Levine - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 18:52 UTC

According to gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com>:
>I remember being in the library in my final year at Essex Uni and
>drooling over them in the various electronic enginneering magazines.

Was this back in the era when the ads had models in bikinis lounging
on the equipment, or later than that?

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 by: Quadibloc - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 19:19 UTC

On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-7, John Levine wrote:
> According to gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com>:

> >I remember being in the library in my final year at Essex Uni and
> >drooling over them in the various electronic enginneering magazines.

> Was this back in the era when the ads had models in bikinis lounging
> on the equipment, or later than that?

1971 would definitely *not* have been "later than that", but that does not mean
that's what he was drooling over.

John Savard

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 by: BGB - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 19:30 UTC

On 11/16/2021 1:19 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-7, John Levine wrote:
>> According to gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com>:
>
>>> I remember being in the library in my final year at Essex Uni and
>>> drooling over them in the various electronic enginneering magazines.
>
>> Was this back in the era when the ads had models in bikinis lounging
>> on the equipment, or later than that?
>
> 1971 would definitely *not* have been "later than that", but that does not mean
> that's what he was drooling over.
>

I may be missing something, but... What exactly to models wearing
bikinis have to do with electronics, to where it would make sense to
have both things in the same magazine?...

Though, FWIW, I was born during the early part of the x86 era...
Technically, both x86 Protected Mode and MS-DOS are older than I am.

> John Savard
>

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BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> writes:

> On 11/16/2021 1:19 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-7, John Levine wrote:
>>> According to gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com>:
>>
>>>> I remember being in the library in my final year at Essex Uni and
>>>> drooling over them in the various electronic enginneering magazines.
>>
>>> Was this back in the era when the ads had models in bikinis lounging
>>> on the equipment, or later than that?
>> 1971 would definitely *not* have been "later than that", but that
>> does not mean
>> that's what he was drooling over.
>>
>
> I may be missing something, but... What exactly to models wearing
> bikinis have to do with electronics, to where it would make sense to
> have both things in the same magazine?...

Trying to lure nerdy engineers to the ad (note the tacit assumption that
all engineers are male).

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 by: Thomas Koenig - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 19:40 UTC

BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> schrieb:
> On 11/16/2021 1:19 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-7, John Levine wrote:
>>> According to gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com>:
>>
>>>> I remember being in the library in my final year at Essex Uni and
>>>> drooling over them in the various electronic enginneering magazines.
>>
>>> Was this back in the era when the ads had models in bikinis lounging
>>> on the equipment, or later than that?
>>
>> 1971 would definitely *not* have been "later than that", but that does not mean
>> that's what he was drooling over.
>>
>
> I may be missing something, but... What exactly to models wearing
> bikinis have to do with electronics, to where it would make sense to
> have both things in the same magazine?...

You're not serious, are you? Think of the target audience.

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 by: Bill Findlay - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 20:21 UTC

On 16 Nov 2021, Joe Pfeiffer wrote
(in article <1bzgq3lwlj.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net>):

> BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On 11/16/2021 1:19 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-7, John Levine wrote:
> > > > According to gareth evans<headst...@yahoo.com>:
> > >
> > > > > I remember being in the library in my final year at Essex Uni and
> > > > > drooling over them in the various electronic enginneering magazines.
> > >
> > > > Was this back in the era when the ads had models in bikinis lounging
> > > > on the equipment, or later than that?
> > > 1971 would definitely *not* have been "later than that", but that
> > > does not mean
> > > that's what he was drooling over.
> >
> > I may be missing something, but... What exactly to models wearing
> > bikinis have to do with electronics, to where it would make sense to
> > have both things in the same magazine?...
>
> Trying to lure nerdy engineers to the ad (note the tacit assumption that
> all engineers are male).

And heterosexual.

--
Bill Findlay

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 by: MitchAlsup - Tue, 16 Nov 2021 21:48 UTC

On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:21:30 PM UTC-6, Bill Findlay wrote:
> On 16 Nov 2021, Joe Pfeiffer wrote
> (in article <1bzgq3l...@pfeifferfamily.net>):
> > BGB <cr8...@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > On 11/16/2021 1:19 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-7, John Levine wrote:
> > > > > According to gareth evans<headst...@yahoo.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > > I remember being in the library in my final year at Essex Uni and
> > > > > > drooling over them in the various electronic enginneering magazines.
> > > >
> > > > > Was this back in the era when the ads had models in bikinis lounging
> > > > > on the equipment, or later than that?
> > > > 1971 would definitely *not* have been "later than that", but that
> > > > does not mean
> > > > that's what he was drooling over.
> > >
> > > I may be missing something, but... What exactly to models wearing
> > > bikinis have to do with electronics, to where it would make sense to
> > > have both things in the same magazine?...
> >
> > Trying to lure nerdy engineers to the ad (note the tacit assumption that
> > all engineers are male).
<
> And heterosexual.
<
Probably would fall into the "no workie" category today.
<
>
> --
> Bill Findlay

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On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 12:30:49 PM UTC-7, BGB wrote:

> I may be missing something, but... What exactly to models wearing
> bikinis have to do with electronics, to where it would make sense to
> have both things in the same magazine?...

Quite right. So here is a model not wearing a bikini.

http://standingwavegenerator.com/microdata-alumni/images/computer_design_march1972_micro-babe.jpg

John Savard

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>> Trying to lure nerdy engineers to the ad (note the tacit assumption that
>> all engineers are male).
> And heterosexual.

And not put off by objectification of female,

Stefan

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On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:07:54 PM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 12:30:49 PM UTC-7, BGB wrote:
>
> > I may be missing something, but... What exactly to models wearing
> > bikinis have to do with electronics, to where it would make sense to
> > have both things in the same magazine?...

> Quite right. So here is a model not wearing a bikini.
>
> http://standingwavegenerator.com/microdata-alumni/images/computer_design_march1972_micro-babe.jpg

Further searching let me put it into some context...

http://standingwavegenerator.com/microdata-alumni/gallery_misc.htm

John Savard

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On 16/11/2021 23:07, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 12:30:49 PM UTC-7, BGB wrote:
>
>> I may be missing something, but... What exactly to models wearing
>> bikinis have to do with electronics, to where it would make sense to
>> have both things in the same magazine?...
>
> Quite right. So here is a model not wearing a bikini.
>
> http://standingwavegenerator.com/microdata-alumni/images/computer_design_march1972_micro-babe.jpg

now I feel really old ... :)
pretty girls dont make much sense today (we are too old already).
I couldn't official buy a 4004 back than because US had Austria on the
wrong political hemisphere (IIRC still wrong until 1980), so we had to
buy it way more expensive from other European countries.
The limited features of the 4004 were somehow disappointing, our own
DTL/RTL circuits performed better with less power and were cheaper too.
__
wolfgang

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On 11/16/2021 1:40 PM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> schrieb:
>> On 11/16/2021 1:19 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-7, John Levine wrote:
>>>> According to gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com>:
>>>
>>>>> I remember being in the library in my final year at Essex Uni and
>>>>> drooling over them in the various electronic enginneering magazines.
>>>
>>>> Was this back in the era when the ads had models in bikinis lounging
>>>> on the equipment, or later than that?
>>>
>>> 1971 would definitely *not* have been "later than that", but that does not mean
>>> that's what he was drooling over.
>>>
>>
>> I may be missing something, but... What exactly to models wearing
>> bikinis have to do with electronics, to where it would make sense to
>> have both things in the same magazine?...
>
> You're not serious, are you? Think of the target audience.
>

Hmm...

It would kinda make more sense for something like car ads, since females
rubbing up on cars seems to be fairly common in car ads.

Or a male holding up a can or bottle of beer while surrounded by a
circle of females. Well, excluding the Keystone commercials, which using
depict a male being ridiculed for "bitter beer face" while surrounded by
a group of bystanders that is usually ~ 3/4 female, ...

Well, then I guess there are ads for MMO games (and mobile games), which
often depict oddly human versions of the females of the various fantasy
races with minimal clothing.

But, this seems less common for things like electronics and dev-boards,
which are usually a lot more "cut and dry", ...

The Digi-Key stuff seems to have the Shawn Hymel, who is a guy who
dresses up like he was trying to play a character from "Revenge of the
Nerds" or similar, not quite figured out what is going on here; he comes
off like someone playing an obvious caricature, but seems to know what
he is talking about, so it is confusing...

For a while, there was also "The Ben Heck Show" which itself apparently
existed mostly as a way to promote Element14 (it ended, and got replaced
with "Element14 Presents", which kinda sucks in comparison, *1).

*1: Both shows did have Karen Corbeill; I haven't been able to figure
out her age (my guess is she is from the latter part of Gen X). Does
fabrication and electronics, not seen much to imply she does any coding.

....

Presumably, I would fall into the target demographic.

General demographic stats:
Male, 30s, single;
Aspergers / High-Functioning Autism;
Heterosexual (in theory, *2).
Asexual or Demisexual is probably more technically accurate.

*2: The main alternatives are not useful to me. In my case, it is all a
bit more of an abstraction anyways. I am not particularly a fan of the
over-complicated / word-soup definitions that have become popular in
recent years (well, and trying to classify my "identity" and/or "lack
thereof" in these areas seems like more effort than it is worth).

Granted, besides programming stuff, ..., I also watch some amount of
animated TV shows. A few notable past examples were things like "My
Little Pony" and "Steven Universe" and similar, but these shows have
ended. Watched a few other shows, but they got cancelled (eg, "Owl
House" and "Infinity Train"). This mostly just leaves "Miraculous
Ladybug" and similar at this point...

Well, and watched some older shows, eg: He-Man, Rainbow Brite, Mega-Man
(Ruby Spears), ...

Also, various Anime and similar as well.

....

Beyond this, not sure which exact demographic I fall into though.

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 by: David Schultz - Wed, 17 Nov 2021 00:53 UTC

On 11/16/21 1:30 PM, BGB wrote:
> I may be missing something, but... What exactly to models wearing
> bikinis have to do with electronics, to where it would make sense to
> have both things in the same magazine?...

Nothing of course. Except it was a common marketing ploy.

I still have a 1978 calendar from Century Electronics featuring a woman
wearing only very short cutoff jeans (with a tube of IC's in one back
pocket). Carefully posed so you can see that she has no top on but
without revealing too much.

--
http://davesrocketworks.com
David Schultz

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 by: BGB - Wed, 17 Nov 2021 01:35 UTC

On 11/16/2021 2:21 PM, Bill Findlay wrote:
> On 16 Nov 2021, Joe Pfeiffer wrote
> (in article <1bzgq3lwlj.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net>):
>
>> BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 11/16/2021 1:19 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-7, John Levine wrote:
>>>>> According to gareth evans<headst...@yahoo.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>> I remember being in the library in my final year at Essex Uni and
>>>>>> drooling over them in the various electronic enginneering magazines.
>>>>
>>>>> Was this back in the era when the ads had models in bikinis lounging
>>>>> on the equipment, or later than that?
>>>> 1971 would definitely *not* have been "later than that", but that
>>>> does not mean
>>>> that's what he was drooling over.
>>>
>>> I may be missing something, but... What exactly to models wearing
>>> bikinis have to do with electronics, to where it would make sense to
>>> have both things in the same magazine?...
>>
>> Trying to lure nerdy engineers to the ad (note the tacit assumption that
>> all engineers are male).
>
> And heterosexual.
>

I generally consider myself to be heterosexual, but I have since
realized that asexual (and/or demisexual, *) is probably closer to accurate.

*: I might find someone more attractive if I have feelings for them, or
otherwise feel like I can relate to them. Otherwise, I have noted that I
don't really feel much attraction towards people even if they do match
up with traditional definitions of attractiveness (seems more
emotions-based than looks-based). For random people I don't know, I am
fairly neutral.

But, I guess this sort of advertising seems less common now...

Did decide to leave out my memories of a bunch of random stuff from
decades-old infomercials...

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 by: BGB - Wed, 17 Nov 2021 02:17 UTC

On 11/16/2021 6:53 PM, David Schultz wrote:
> On 11/16/21 1:30 PM, BGB wrote:
>> I may be missing something, but... What exactly to models wearing
>> bikinis have to do with electronics, to where it would make sense to
>> have both things in the same magazine?...
>
> Nothing of course. Except it was a common marketing ploy.
>
> I still have a 1978 calendar from Century Electronics featuring a woman
> wearing only very short cutoff jeans (with a tube of IC's in one back
> pocket). Carefully posed so you can see that she has no top on but
> without revealing too much.
>

OK. I suspect this probably died off enough by the 2000s and 2010s,
enough so that I wasn't aware that it was a thing.

Sort of figured that it would have all been about "business stuff" or
something.

Like, some guy in a suit being like, "Now, lets talk about your payroll?
Are you still doing it on paper, like some kind of caveman? You *need*
our expensive business computer!". Company gets the guy a fancy suit,
fancy watch, fancy office, ...

Or, if it was 90s, maybe get some guy to do poorly sung hip-hop trying
to convince people about the superiority of PA-RISC or similar, for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLTh4uVJduI

Or, maybe something similar, but like "more 70s", like they replace the
hip-hop with Disco and have the singers try to imitate the Village
People or Elvis or something. Or, maybe some hippies smoking weed and
protesting "nam" or something.

Admittedly, my familiarity with the 70s is a little weak.

....

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I am sitting around wondering whether anyone could program a 4004 to run BS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mnYf7L7Amw&ab_channel=SkillsMatter

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 by: Thomas Koenig - Wed, 17 Nov 2021 06:38 UTC

BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> schrieb:

> Or, if it was 90s, maybe get some guy to do poorly sung hip-hop trying
> to convince people about the superiority of PA-RISC or similar, for example:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLTh4uVJduI

Not so poorly sung for the time, styles have evolved since then.

Also, PA-RISC was a nice (and often forgotten) architecture, even
if it had delay slots.

I worked a lot on Series 700 workstations in my university days, the
computer center had them in clusters scattered around the campus. After
figuring out vi, these were a relevation compated to the MVS mainfraimes
I had used earlier. Still used them for accessing the vector computer
(which also ran an MVS variant), though.

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 by: Quadibloc - Wed, 17 Nov 2021 08:18 UTC

On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 5:53:53 PM UTC-7, David Schultz wrote:
> On 11/16/21 1:30 PM, BGB wrote:
> > I may be missing something, but... What exactly to models wearing
> > bikinis have to do with electronics, to where it would make sense to
> > have both things in the same magazine?...

> Nothing of course. Except it was a common marketing ploy.
>
> I still have a 1978 calendar from Century Electronics featuring a woman
> wearing only very short cutoff jeans (with a tube of IC's in one back
> pocket). Carefully posed so you can see that she has no top on but
> without revealing too much.

And actually bikinis weren't _that_ common in computer ads.

Women in miniskirts typing at a computer screen, yes.

But usually if there was something out of the ordinary, they needed
some excuse.

Like a woman wearing a paper bikini - that was a pattern for a bikini
drawn on a plotter. Or men and women in bathing suits for an ad
for air conditioning for computer rooms.

The Microdata Microprogramming Handbook ad had as its excuse
the fact that many computers that were implemented with microprogramming
kept information about how that worked as a proprietary secret.

This wasn't entirely true about IBM's 360 series, though. A book describing
how several models were microprogrammed - plus a couple of machines by
other manufacturers - Microprogramming: Principles and Practices by Samir
S. Husson - was published in 1970.

John Savard

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 by: Terje Mathisen - Wed, 17 Nov 2021 08:35 UTC

MitchAlsup wrote:
> I am sitting around wondering whether anyone could program a 4004 to run BS
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mnYf7L7Amw&ab_channel=SkillsMatter
>
That should be easy, as long as the 4004 could address enough memory.
Although intentionally awful, BS does not have many hard (impossible) to
implement corners, right?

Performance, or the lack thereof, would be more relevant...

Terje

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On 17/11/2021 02:35, BGB wrote:

>
> I generally consider myself to be

<snip>

I generally consider people's sexuality or attractions to be of little
relevance or interest. I cannot see how your preferences in that area
are any more relevant to others than your preferences in ice-cream
flavours or films you enjoy. Of course it can matter to /you/, and it
matters in situations where you are looking for or interacting with a
partner. But outside of that, it does not matter - we're all people,
whoever we like to spend time with.

This is not a "don't ask, don't tell" attitude - it's a "I really don't
care one way or another, and knowing your sexuality will not influence
me in any way in how I relate to you" attitude.

I am also not at all convinced of the merits of applying labels to
different kinds of sexuality. It might be helpful sometimes to have
broad categories (hetro-, homo- and asexual), but since everyone is a
mix of different aspects (and the mix can change with time and
circumstance), categorising is always going to be inaccurate. (If /you/
find it helpful to pick a label for yourself, then that's fine of course
- but I don't like using labels for others.)

The important thing is you get to be yourself, and are happy with that,
and others should not get to impose their ideas, theories, or prejudices
on you. I don't care who you find attractive - but I /do/ care that you
have the right to decide for yourself.

>
>
> But, I guess this sort of advertising seems less common now...
>

Yes, thankfully - it is mostly a relic of the past. Scantily clad women
still turn up in some adverts, and not just for those where it could be
relevant to the product, but they are rare in technology adverts.

> Did decide to leave out my memories of a bunch of random stuff from
> decades-old infomercials...

It is a well-established principle of advertising that sex sells.

In the advertising industry joke, there are two kinds of adverts - those
aimed at men, and those aimed at women. Men are simple creatures, so
your advert should have one of two messages - "This product will help
you get a date with a bikini model", or "This product will save you time
and money so that you have more time and money left for trying to get a
date with a bikini model". Women are infinitely more sophisticated, so
your advert should have the message "This product will help you become a
bikini model".

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 by: BGB - Wed, 17 Nov 2021 09:12 UTC

On 11/17/2021 12:38 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> schrieb:
>
>> Or, if it was 90s, maybe get some guy to do poorly sung hip-hop trying
>> to convince people about the superiority of PA-RISC or similar, for example:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLTh4uVJduI
>
> Not so poorly sung for the time, styles have evolved since then.
>

I rewatched it, then realized it wasn't so much that his performance was
bad, so much as the song was pretty bad to begin with and not even a
good performer could save it.

Then went and rewatched "Don't Copy That Floppy" again, followed by
videos where people were mixing various 90s Rap/Hip-Hop songs with the
"Thomas the Tank Engine" theme, which was an oddly amusing combination.

Eg, "Don't Copy That Floppy":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI

> Also, PA-RISC was a nice (and often forgotten) architecture, even
> if it had delay slots.
>
> I worked a lot on Series 700 workstations in my university days, the
> computer center had them in clusters scattered around the campus. After
> figuring out vi, these were a relevation compated to the MVS mainfraimes
> I had used earlier. Still used them for accessing the vector computer
> (which also ran an MVS variant), though.
>

Never dealt with it first-hand.
My first real foray outside of x86 land was ARM11 on the Raspberry Pi.

My younger self was naive and thought that x86 would last into the
indefinite future; but as I see it, "the writing is already on the
wall". Though, my current prediction is that it will lose its dominance
in a gradual shift from x86 to ARM64, but that rather than it being
simply ARM as the "new ISA to rule them all", the landscape will likely
be unstable (potentially allowing RISC-V and similar to also gain a
foothold).

Though, I suspect that in some sense, excessive consolidation (such as a
"one true CPU architecture", "one true C compiler", "one true OS", ...),
is ultimately detrimental.

In some sense, standardization can be good, but the big problem seems to
be that many people mistake consolidation for standardization.

Well, also maybe need to bring an end to the era of "CPU architectures
which exist as intellectual property under the control of a single
corporation". When this happens, the whole "ecosystem" is ultimately
built around and bent to the will of whatever happens to be most
profitable for the corporation.

Better is when there is no single party that has the power or authority
to "take ones' toys away".

While Open Source is "better" in this sense, excessive consolidation
around particular artifacts itself is ultimately a problem.

But, then again, I guess thinking about it, despite its badness, "Don't
Copy That Floppy" sorta pointed out a great instability in the system;
and in effect this instability has been playing out for decades (namely,
that trying to apply models adapted for industrial production of
material goods to artificial scarcity and information which can be
readily copied, ultimately, does not work).

But, rather than bringing an end to computing, rather open-source just
sorta gradually takes over instead, being in some ways much better
suited to the overall constraints of the system (though, not necessarily
to FOSS developers being able to have any sort of income, which is sadly
still tied up with the older models).

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