Civitas <civil@ized.example> wrote:
>On 3/4/23 22:11, Bugsy wrote:

>>I feel sorry for the news server admins because of the horrible spammers,
>>and I mean that. They ruin everything for everyone and they enjoy doing
>>that.

>require authentication for all posting AND reading. otherwise trolls
>will do bandwidth attacks

How about clear TOS/AUP rules for fuckheads who put on new sockpuppets
with almost every thread?

>have clear TOS that doxing, harassment, dogpiling, racial and homophobic
>slurs aimed at any user are prohibited

Why shouldn't you be doxxed? You'd have to put slightly more thought
into what you post if you were exposed each and every time you morphed.
The rest of it is all subjective. Stop whining and use your kill file.

>have designated groups for authenticated bot posts, (alt.news.bot) and
>prohibit use of bots in all groups not marked with .bot in the groupname

I have no idea why long-standing spam thresholds aren't good enough.

>put all new users in moderation for a short time before marking them
>unmoderated

You'd be constantly in moderation with each new sockpuppet.

If you don't care for unmoderated Usenet, then just leave.

>immediately lock out users that violate TOS

If you don't like one News administrator, use a different server.

>refuse to peer with all servers that don't have and enforce same
>policies ... open servers can have their own open server network that
>does not cross over to the polite and authenticated network

There's nothing polite about sockpuppetry. Please move to an
unauthenticated server.

>then all the trolls will just be abusing each other on their own echo
>chamber open network

Frequent morphing is trolling.

>the open network would be useful only for leaks, so as not to risk
>identifying the authors

>usenet becomes a civil place

>profit!

Despite your existence, I find I'm able to use Usenet.

On Mar 5, 2023 at 5:39:39 AM GMT+1, "Civitas" <civil@ized.example> wrote:

> racial and homophobic
> slurs aimed at any user are prohibited

NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT
NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT

NIGGER FAGGOT NIGGER FAGGOT
NIGGER FAGGOT NIGGER FAGGOT

KIKE FAGGOT

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_States

> Effectively, the Supreme Court unanimously reaffirmed that
> there is no 'hate speech' exception to the First Amendment.

Maybe you should go to Facebook or Twitter? Maybe you don't
really need to be on Usenet? Daddy Zuckerberg will wipe your
ass and ban "eebil Nazis", and everything gonna be good.

Kerman the German is staging a "binARYAN BITzkrieg" to pwn all your binaryan. Say NO! to Kerman the German and his binaryan bitzkrieg.

Kerman the German is the incompetent technical officer of the Newszatsgruppen division of the Waffen BS Shitposter Brigade. He and his Waffen Yes Yes men seek readingsraum at the expense of Jewsnetizens.

Hogan's Heroes shall lambaste his garrulous gonkulator. They shall revoke thier license to use Waffen BS Shitposter Newszatsgruppenware.

Your bumbling binaryan bitzkrieg will wash out, Herr Kerman. You are a kraut-eating rooster gobbler.

The Usenet's foremost technical expert on everything, Kerman the German, still has not managed to set up his own NNTP server after all these
years of brash, bumbling, bureaucratic bloviating.

If it is true power you seek then establish your own NNTP server. That is the key to binaryan readingsraum.

--
The Germanator
De-racinating Kerman the German and his Binaryan Bitzkrieg
Allied Nemesis of the Waffen BS Shitposter Brigade
Usenet is a Washington rainbow troll operation by NATO bambi ding dongs

Time to trigger the right-wing snowflakes again. Melt, snowflakes, melt!
On Fri, 03 Mar 2023 16:37:32 +0000, William Stickers wrote:

> Skeeter wrote:
>>
>> In article <dskML.1398522$iU59.506307@fx14.iad>,
>> bill.stickers@innocent.com says...
>> >
>> > Whatever wrote:
>> > [...]
>> > > I think I'll go back to social media, which at least works.
>> >
>> > Getting an account is easy. I've got four paid block
>> > accounts, two free accounts that I had to register with
>> > to post, and I have access to an open server. Finding
>> > anything worth reading is a different matter. You should
>> > look elsewhere for that.
>>
>> I never got the confirmation email.

Ah, Skeeter, always in search of more servers to sock thru. What a card!

<snicker>

--
FNVWe Nadegda

"By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with
you." -- Mike Godwin, Aug 13, 2017, 8:03 PM
Checkmate admits that, for all intents and purposes, he carries a teddy
bear in public: <d6cnes.ket.17.19@news.alt.net>

Bugsy wrote:

> Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:

>>> Same with news.novabbs.org which only serves an IP address from
>>> Australia. If they don't tell you that, how are you supposed to
>>> know that?
>>
>> I would expect a news server that is country specific to say that
>> somewhere and to refuse to create an account if you are outside of the
>> country.

> I snipped what I thoroughly agreed with and which I had nothing more to
> add. On this one news.novabbs.org:119 setup, there are no credentials
> required that I know of.

> You just have to know that if your IP address geolocates outside of
> Australia, they won't pass on your posts (as far as I'm aware).

> My only point in bringing that up is that's why documentation helps.

I'm the admin of news.novabbs.org. I have no idea about this Australia
restriction, as there is no such restriction. The server is hosted in N.Y,
USA, and has no regional restrictions.

I appreciate your comments previously in this thread, and have made a couple
of minor changes to https://news.novabbs.org/common/nodelist.php that may
help.

To answer your other questions, news.novabbs.com:119 carries most if not all
text newsgroups, which you can check with 'list' command.

Without authenticating you can still read articles. If you authenticate,
you can post.

Retro Guy

--
Retro Guy

Am 11.03.2023 um 21:57:51 Uhr schrieb Retro Guy:

> To answer your other questions, news.novabbs.com:119 carries most if
> not all text newsgroups, which you can check with 'list' command.

No, not all.
Foreign hierarchies like de.* don't seem to be available.

Marco Moock wrote:

> Am 11.03.2023 um 21:57:51 Uhr schrieb Retro Guy:

>> To answer your other questions, news.novabbs.com:119 carries most if
>> not all text newsgroups, which you can check with 'list' command.

> No, not all.
> Foreign hierarchies like de.* don't seem to be available.

Most all hierarchies should be available, including foreign, de.* etc.

I'll link a sorted copy of the active file here:
https://news.novabbs.org/common/novabbs-active.txt

--
Retro Guy

Am 12.03.2023 um 19:46:18 Uhr schrieb Retro Guy:

> Most all hierarchies should be available, including foreign, de.* etc.

At least not in the web interface - or did I miss something?

> I'll link a sorted copy of the active file here:
> https://news.novabbs.org/common/novabbs-active.txt

Marco Moock wrote:

> Am 12.03.2023 um 19:46:18 Uhr schrieb Retro Guy:

>> Most all hierarchies should be available, including foreign, de.* etc.

> At least not in the web interface - or did I miss something?

The web interface is just a small sample of the groups available on the
inn2 server. I tried to select somewhat active groups. The inn2 server
should have most text groups.

--
Retro Guy

On 3/13/23 12:55, Retro Guy wrote:
> Marco Moock wrote:
>
>> Am 12.03.2023 um 19:46:18 Uhr schrieb Retro Guy:
>
>>> Most all hierarchies should be available, including foreign, de.* etc.
>
>> At least not in the web interface - or did I miss something?
>
> The web interface is just a small sample of the groups available on the
> inn2 server. I tried to select somewhat active groups. The inn2 server
> should have most text groups.
>

Does the RSLite software requires INN2 to be installed?

It appears in the source code to have some sort of NNTP backend. Is this
a full NNTP server?

Anonymous wrote:

> On 3/13/23 12:55, Retro Guy wrote:
>> Marco Moock wrote:
>>
>>> Am 12.03.2023 um 19:46:18 Uhr schrieb Retro Guy:
>>
>>>> Most all hierarchies should be available, including foreign, de.* etc.
>>
>>> At least not in the web interface - or did I miss something?
>>
>> The web interface is just a small sample of the groups available on the
>> inn2 server. I tried to select somewhat active groups. The inn2 server
>> should have most text groups.
>>

> Does the RSLite software requires INN2 to be installed?

No. rslight does not require any other servers to operate as a standalone
server.

> It appears in the source code to have some sort of NNTP backend. Is this
> a full NNTP server?

I've tested the rslight NNTP server with a few clients and it seems to work
pretty well. It does not support 'MODE STREAM', so syncing is done as a READER.
You can connect to it just as ano ther NNTP server from READER mode.

I use sylpheed as a client, and have tested quite a few others without problems.

--
Retro Guy

Am 13.03.2023 um 17:55:01 Uhr schrieb Retro Guy:

> Marco Moock wrote:
>
> > Am 12.03.2023 um 19:46:18 Uhr schrieb Retro Guy:
>
> >> Most all hierarchies should be available, including foreign, de.*
> >> etc.
>
> > At least not in the web interface - or did I miss something?
>
> The web interface is just a small sample of the groups available on
> the inn2 server. I tried to select somewhat active groups. The inn2
> server should have most text groups.

Thanks for that explanation.
If you like, you could also make active groups from other hierarchies
available via web, this might lead people to read and posts using it.

> On 12/03/2023 17:35, Marco Moock wrote:
>> Am 11.03.2023 um 21:57:51 Uhr schrieb Retro Guy:
>>
>>> To answer your other questions, news.novabbs.com:119 carries most if
>>> not all text newsgroups, which you can check with 'list' command.
>> No, not all.
>> Foreign hierarchies like de.* don't seem to be available.
>>
> Some of us don't speak nor understand Germans so we have not paid much
> attention to foreign hierarchy. All we know is that Uwe Seeler was a
> German Footballer who died in July 2022 at the age of 85.
>
> Have you tried this link:
>
> <http://www.open-news-network.org/>
>
> You can register for a free account if you can read German.
>
> https://contact.mainsite.tk

WE DON'T NEED SERVERS REQUIRING REGISTRATION. PERIOD.

On 3/13/23 14:12, Retro Guy wrote:
> Anonymous wrote:
>
>> On 3/13/23 12:55, Retro Guy wrote:
>>> Marco Moock wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 12.03.2023 um 19:46:18 Uhr schrieb Retro Guy:
>>>
>>>>> Most all hierarchies should be available, including foreign, de.* etc.
>>>
>>>> At least not in the web interface - or did I miss something?
>>>
>>> The web interface is just a small sample of the groups available on the
>>> inn2 server. I tried to select somewhat active groups. The inn2 server
>>> should have most text groups.
>>>
>
>> Does the RSLite software requires INN2 to be installed?
>
> No. rslight does not require any other servers to operate as a standalone
> server.
>
>> It appears in the source code to have some sort of NNTP backend. Is
>> this a full NNTP server?
>
> I've tested the rslight NNTP server with a few clients and it seems to work
> pretty well. It does not support 'MODE STREAM', so syncing is done as a
> READER.
> You can connect to it just as ano ther NNTP server from READER mode.
>
> I use sylpheed as a client, and have tested quite a few others without
> problems.
>

Is sylpheed stable for you? I tested claws and I like the interface but
it crashes. On occasion it randomly crashes and exits when I click to
open a message.

I know the clients are related. I need to find something that does not
crash.

Am 13.03.2023 um 18:26:34 Uhr schrieb Anonymous:

> Is sylpheed stable for you? I tested claws and I like the interface
> but it crashes. On occasion it randomly crashes and exits when I
> click to open a message.

Please report such bugs.
https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/index.cgi

This is the only way they can be fixed.

On 3/14/23 02:24, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 13.03.2023 um 18:26:34 Uhr schrieb Anonymous:
>
>> Is sylpheed stable for you? I tested claws and I like the interface
>> but it crashes. On occasion it randomly crashes and exits when I
>> click to open a message.
>
> Please report such bugs.
> https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/index.cgi
>
> This is the only way they can be fixed.
>

There is no error output to report. It just crashes with no output and
writes nothing to the log. The maintainer will say:

"not enough information to troubleshoot"

"not able to replicate"

"ticket closed"

I've been down this road many times. I don't waste my time reporting
bugs when the software doesn't have atomic crash reporting output.

Anonymous wrote:

> On 3/13/23 14:12, Retro Guy wrote:
>> Anonymous wrote:
>>
>> I use sylpheed as a client, and have tested quite a few others without
>> problems.
>>

> Is sylpheed stable for you? I tested claws and I like the interface but
> it crashes. On occasion it randomly crashes and exits when I click to
> open a message.

> I know the clients are related. I need to find something that does not
> crash.

I use both at times. I find claws-mail blocks doing anything while it's
checking for messages and can sometimes (seem to) hang if there's a problem
connecting. The pop up window telling me what's wrong does not pop up, just
ends up in the task bar with the main icon.

sylpheed seems to work a bit better, so I stick with it for now.

I still miss the old OS/2 News Reader!

--
Retro Guy

On 3/14/23 8:46 AM, Anonymous wrote:
> I've been down this road many times. I don't waste my time reporting
> bugs when the software doesn't have atomic crash reporting output.

It's up to you, but I encourage people to still report such issues as it
provides a data point. Once enough similar data points are collected,
hopefully someone will think "there's a problem here, we should dig
deeper even though we don't have as much data as we want".

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

On 3/14/23 12:59, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 3/14/23 8:46 AM, Anonymous wrote:
>> I've been down this road many times. I don't waste my time reporting
>> bugs when the software doesn't have atomic crash reporting output.
>
> It's up to you, but I encourage people to still report such issues as it
> provides a data point.  Once enough similar data points are collected,
> hopefully someone will think "there's a problem here, we should dig
> deeper even though we don't have as much data as we want".

You tend to look on the bright side of things and hold out a hopeful
outlook. I like your positivity. More of it should abound.

On the topic, perhaps Thunderbird is a good option. It is quite stable.
The maintainers have ramped up new development initiatives to modernize
it from the ground up.

--
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How to get ahead in life:
Judaism: circumcision; Christianism: lobotomy; Islam: scimitar;
Democracy: guillotine; Evolution: brainwash; Atheism: K-12.

On 3/14/2023 10:46 AM, Anonymous wrote:
> On 3/14/23 02:24, Marco Moock wrote:
>> Am 13.03.2023 um 18:26:34 Uhr schrieb Anonymous:
>>
>>> Is sylpheed stable for you? I tested claws and I like the interface
>>> but it crashes. On occasion it randomly crashes and exits when I
>>> click to open a message.
>>
>> Please report such bugs.
>> https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/index.cgi
>>
>> This is the only way they can be fixed.
>>
>
> There is no error output to report. It just crashes with no output and writes nothing to the log. The maintainer will say:
>
> "not enough information to troubleshoot"
>
> "not able to replicate"
>
> "ticket closed"
>
> I've been down this road many times. I don't waste my time reporting bugs when the software doesn't have atomic crash reporting output.

Do they provide a "recipe for debug" ?
Like how to attach gdb and collect output ?

https://users.claws-mail.narkive.com/rsb4HqOS/bug-2361-new-claws-crashes-after-pgp-check

A package in a distro, may be compiled -O2 or -O3 and not have
symbols in it. It needs to be compiled -g so that it has subroutine names
and line numbers in crashes. (If you make shit software like I do,
then you should always package -g so the environment is ready for the
crashes :-) )

1) Use the command in your package manager, to "pull source".
Ubuntu is a good place to do this, because there is the
release tarball, two patch files, and the automation applies
the patches to the tarball for you. Debian might not have the patches
in theirs.

You are left with a build directory that is ready to go.
It might be as simple as

./configure and then "make".

None of these require "sudo", unless you "make install" and you are NOT doing that.

apt search claws # Get the package name

cd ~/Downloads
apt-get source claws-mail # Use the package name, automation prepares your meal for you

cd claws-mail # Enter your new build directory ~/Downloads/claws-mail

./configure # There are a million ways to make stuff. This is just one way.
make -n # Make, dry run, see what it plans to do.
make # Compile the software.

To compile software, things like

sudo apt install build-essential # GNU tool chain

may provide some of the tools needed. Again, there are lots of
tool flows, and build-essential does not grease every rail for you.
Build-essential may have already been installed, the last time your
kernel got updated.

2) The compiler flags should be changed from -O2 or -O3 ("highly optimized")
to -g (add debug symbols, subroutine names, line numbers). The code is
slower, but the crash dump is richer. This is, after all, why you are building
this package for yourself, to make it debuggable.

3) As long as the version of the software, is not much different
than the /usr/bin/progname you're currently using, you can just
launch the debug version, right from your build tree. You don't have to
"sudo make install" as that will just make a mess.

There are endless issues with debug, and I'm not all that good at it.
And this is just a very basic description of a start at it. You can then
use gdb (GNU debugger) and attach to the executable and collect
some info.

If you open a Terminal, and do

cd builddir/bin
./claws-mail

then the stdout and stderr of the program, dump to terminal. If
the program has anything to say, now it has a place to say it.

Not many modern programs benefit from a "Terminal launch",
but we can always hope for a cookie for ourselves for trying :-)

When a program is launched from your Desktop menu, the stderr and
stdout go into "outer space" and are useless. When you terminal-launch
an executable, there is a small chance it will write some output for you.

You can also terminal-launch gdb, or, you can fork the executable
and attach gdb

cd builddir/bin
./claws-mail & # non-blocking startup

ps aguwwwx | grep claws # determine the process ID or PID value

gdb -p <pidnumber> # attach to a running process
# Now, do the graphical operation that crashes it.

*******

These are the kind of topics a good development team will
write up for you, so that you can help them, and they can help you.

I only wrote the above, so you can use bits if it in Google Searches.

# Oh, my

https://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Debugging_Claws

Debug reports have a "high bar" and the developers can be quite
demanding. But don't give up. If you expect to have software,
SOMEBODY has to contribute to the effort.

Paul

On 3/14/23 12:34 PM, NightBulb wrote:
> You tend to look on the bright side of things and hold out a hopeful
> outlook. I like your positivity. More of it should abound.

It's not always easy.

I learned a long time ago that if I strive for better, I likely won't
reach what I'm striving for, but I will end up somewhere better than I
am now. So, I strive for better and am grateful for some better.

I encourage others to do similar.

> On the topic, perhaps Thunderbird is a good option. It is quite stable.
> The maintainers have ramped up new development initiatives to modernize
> it from the ground up.

I'm still running an old version of Thunderbird. Text is text and old
things still display text just fine.

I have concerns and unknowns about contemporary Thunderbird.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Am 14.03.2023 um 09:46:18 Uhr schrieb Anonymous:

> There is no error output to report. It just crashes with no output
> and writes nothing to the log. The maintainer will say:

Does it write to stdout?
Maybe use debug symbols and backtrace. The developer will instruct you
how to do this. He also did that when I reported a bug.

On 14 Mar 2023, Anonymous <anonymous@anonymous.invalid> posted some
news:tuq1bh$76h$1@news.cyber23.de:

> On 3/14/23 02:24, Marco Moock wrote:
>> Am 13.03.2023 um 18:26:34 Uhr schrieb Anonymous:
>>
>>> Is sylpheed stable for you? I tested claws and I like the interface
>>> but it crashes. On occasion it randomly crashes and exits when I
>>> click to open a message.
>>
>> Please report such bugs.
>> https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/index.cgi
>>
>> This is the only way they can be fixed.
>>
>
> There is no error output to report. It just crashes with no output and
> writes nothing to the log. The maintainer will say:
>
> "not enough information to troubleshoot"
>
> "not able to replicate"
>
> "ticket closed"
>
> I've been down this road many times. I don't waste my time reporting
> bugs when the software doesn't have atomic crash reporting output.

Go into the .ini file and add the following:

CaptureDefectiveUserData=Yes

On 3/13/23 16:23, Jack wrote:
>
>> On 12/03/2023 17:35, Marco Moock wrote:
>>> Am 11.03.2023 um 21:57:51 Uhr schrieb Retro Guy:
>>>
>>>> To answer your other questions, news.novabbs.com:119 carries most if
>>>> not all text newsgroups, which you can check with 'list' command.
>>> No, not all.
>>> Foreign hierarchies like de.* don't seem to be available.
>>>
>> Some of us don't speak nor understand Germans so we have not paid much
>> attention to foreign hierarchy. All we know is that Uwe Seeler was a
>> German Footballer who died in July 2022 at the age of 85.
>>
>> Have you tried this link:
>>
>> <http://www.open-news-network.org/>
>>
>> You can register for a free account if you can read German.
>>
>> https://contact.mainsite.tk
>
> WE DON'T NEED SERVERS REQUIRING REGISTRATION. PERIOD.

WELL WE DO. SO THERE. EXCLAMATION MARK!

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