Hello,

I'm trying to install OpenVMS 8.4 (HP) on axpbox. Of course, I have
a recent license issued by HPE (hobbyist).

Before asking VSI a hobbyist license, I would test with my old hobbyist
license.

OVMS is now installed (8.4) and I have tried to install my license :

$ LICENSE REGISTER OPENVMS-ALPHA /ISSUER=DEC /AUTHORIZATION=HOBBYIST-VA-...
$ LICENSE ENABLE OPENVMS-ALPHA/LOG/PRODUCER=DEC /AUTHORIZATION=HOBBYIST-VA-...
%LICENSE-I-ENABLED, OPENVMS-ALPHA HOBBYIST-VA-... has been enabled
$ LICENSE LOAD OPENVMS-ALPHA/LOG/PRODUCER=DEC
%LICENSE-W-WRGARCH, OPENVMS-ALPHA license is not valid on this architecture
$ show license

Active licenses on node BOHR:
%SHOW-I-NOLICENSE, no licenses exist
$

I have tried older licenses with the same result. I'm pretty sure
one of licenses sent by HPE was successfully used on my AS800
(installed with OVMS 8.3, upgraded to 8.4 but never used as 8.4 has
an issue with graphic adapter).

I suppose I have done a mistake... Help will be welcome.

Best regards,

JKB

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Le 17-05-2022, JKB <JKB@hilbert.invalid> a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to install OpenVMS 8.4 (HP) on axpbox. Of course, I have
> a recent license issued by HPE (hobbyist).

Of course, my hobbyist license is expired, but to test, I have set
VMS date _before_ license expiration date.

JKB

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On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:43:16 PM UTC-4, JKB wrote:
> Le 17-05-2022, JKB <J...@hilbert.invalid> a écrit :
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm trying to install OpenVMS 8.4 (HP) on axpbox. Of course, I have
> > a recent license issued by HPE (hobbyist).
> Of course, my hobbyist license is expired, but to test, I have set
> VMS date _before_ license expiration date.
> JKB
>
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What type of Alpha is the AXPBOX emulating? IRRC it is for an ES40 which may not be supported with the hobbyist license. The license was restricted to "personal" machines and not the larger ones. That may be the reason for the unsupported message.

Le 17-05-2022, abrsvc <dansabrservices@yahoo.com> a écrit :
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:43:16 PM UTC-4, JKB wrote:
>> Le 17-05-2022, JKB <J...@hilbert.invalid> a écrit :
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I'm trying to install OpenVMS 8.4 (HP) on axpbox. Of course, I have
>> > a recent license issued by HPE (hobbyist).
>> Of course, my hobbyist license is expired, but to test, I have set
>> VMS date _before_ license expiration date.
>> JKB
>>
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> What type of Alpha is the AXPBOX emulating? IRRC it is for an ES40 which may not be supported with the hobbyist license. The license was restricted to "personal" machines and not the larger ones. That may be the reason for the unsupported message.

ES40 with only one CPU.

But if I remember, I have used this kind of license on my AS800 and a
real ES40 (4*500 MHz).

Regards,

JKB

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On 2022-05-17, abrsvc <dansabrservices@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:43:16 PM UTC-4, JKB wrote:
>> Le 17-05-2022, JKB <J...@hilbert.invalid> a écrit :
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I'm trying to install OpenVMS 8.4 (HP) on axpbox. Of course, I have
>> > a recent license issued by HPE (hobbyist).
>> Of course, my hobbyist license is expired, but to test, I have set
>> VMS date _before_ license expiration date.
>> JKB
>>
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> What type of Alpha is the AXPBOX emulating? IRRC it is for an ES40 which may not be supported with the hobbyist license. The license was restricted to "personal" machines and not the larger ones. That may be the reason for the unsupported message.

Wouldn't that cause a licence units error instead ?

Simon.

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On 2022-05-17, JKB <JKB@hilbert.invalid> wrote:
> I suppose I have done a mistake... Help will be welcome.
>

Are you by any chance using a broken version of axpbox ?

What answers do you get if you try the following:

$ write sys$output f$getsyi("arch_name")
Alpha
$ write sys$output f$getsyi("arch_type")
2

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JKB,

$ HELP/MESS WRGARCH is very clear.

There are only 4 possible architecutres for OpenVMS: VAX, Alpha. IA64 and now x86-64

Try $ write sys$output f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME") - it should say: Alpha on an axpbox

What does $ LICENSE/LIST/FULL OPENVMS-ALPHA show under Options = ?

Volker.

In article <6283cf2f$0$3578$426a74cc@news.free.fr>, JKB
<JKB@hilbert.invalid> writes:

> I'm trying to install OpenVMS 8.4 (HP) on axpbox. Of course, I have
> a recent license issued by HPE (hobbyist).
>
> Before asking VSI a hobbyist license, I would test with my old hobbyist
> license.

Probably not relevant to your problem, but the test might be of limited
value since a VSI license works only with VSI VMS and an HPE license
works only with HPE VMS.

Le 17-05-2022, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de> a écrit :
> In article <6283cf2f$0$3578$426a74cc@news.free.fr>, JKB
><JKB@hilbert.invalid> writes:
>
>> I'm trying to install OpenVMS 8.4 (HP) on axpbox. Of course, I have
>> a recent license issued by HPE (hobbyist).
>>
>> Before asking VSI a hobbyist license, I would test with my old hobbyist
>> license.
>
> Probably not relevant to your problem, but the test might be of limited
> value since a VSI license works only with VSI VMS and an HPE license
> works only with HPE VMS.

Right.

But today, 'im trying to install an HPE VMS with a license given by
HP.

Best regards,

JKB

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Le 17-05-2022, Volker Halle <volker_halle@hotmail.com> a écrit :
> JKB,
>
> $ HELP/MESS WRGARCH is very clear.
>
> There are only 4 possible architecutres for OpenVMS: VAX, Alpha. IA64 and now x86-64
>
> Try $ write sys$output f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME") - it should say: Alpha on an axpbox

$ write sys$output f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME")
Alpha

Seems to be good.

> What does $ LICENSE/LIST/FULL OPENVMS-ALPHA show under Options = ?

Nothing :

-----------------------------------
Issuer: DEC
Authorization: HOBBYIST-VA-...
Product Name: OPENVMS-ALPHA
Producer: DEC
Units: 0
Version: 0.0
....
Options:
....
Revision Level: 2
Status: Active
Command: ENABLE
Modified by user: SYSTEM
Modified on: 17-MAY-2022 18:12:29.25

Regards,

JKB

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Le 17-05-2022, Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> a écrit :
> On 2022-05-17, JKB <JKB@hilbert.invalid> wrote:
>> I suppose I have done a mistake... Help will be welcome.
>>
>
> Are you by any chance using a broken version of axpbox ?

I don't know. I'm trying to use last version (from git).

> What answers do you get if you try the following:
>
> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("arch_name")
> Alpha
> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("arch_type")
> 2

$ write sys$output f$getsyi("arch_name")
Alpha
$ write sys$output f$getsyi("arch_type")
2 $

Regards,

JKB

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On 18/05/2022 08:17, JKB wrote:
> Le 17-05-2022, Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> a écrit :
>> On 2022-05-17, JKB <JKB@hilbert.invalid> wrote:
>>> I suppose I have done a mistake... Help will be welcome.
>>>
>>
>> Are you by any chance using a broken version of axpbox ?
>
> I don't know. I'm trying to use last version (from git).
>
>> What answers do you get if you try the following:
>>
>> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("arch_name")
>> Alpha
>> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("arch_type")
>> 2
>
> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("arch_name")
> Alpha
> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("arch_type")
> 2
> $
>
> Regards,
>
> JKB
>
Might be a silly question, but is the old HPE livrnse for Alpha? Are you
sure it is not for VAX or I64?

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Le 18-05-2022, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> a écrit :
> Might be a silly question, but is the old HPE livrnse for Alpha? Are you
> sure it is not for VAX or I64?

HPE license runs fine on a VAX (and simh). For example, on real vax :

$ show license vax-vms

Active licenses on node FERMAT:

------- Product ID -------- ---- Rating ----- -- Version --
Product Producer Units Avail Activ Version Release Termination
VAX-VMS DEC 0 0 0 0.0 (none) .....

If I remember, I have used this license on severals AXP.
That being said, I have tested all hobbyist licenses I have
received by mail from HP with the same result and some of them were
used on AS200/AS600/AS800/PWS500a without trouble (these servers were
bought without disks and I have installed OpenVMS myself).
I don't remember if I have tested these licenses on my real ES40 I
have bought with a installed OpenVMS.

Regards,

JKB

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On 18/05/2022 09:52, JKB wrote:
> Le 18-05-2022, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> a écrit :
>> Might be a silly question, but is the old HPE livrnse for Alpha? Are you
>> sure it is not for VAX or I64?
>
> HPE license runs fine on a VAX (and simh). For example, on real vax :
>
> $ show license vax-vms
>
> Active licenses on node FERMAT:
>
> ------- Product ID -------- ---- Rating ----- -- Version --
> Product Producer Units Avail Activ Version Release Termination
> VAX-VMS DEC 0 0 0 0.0 (none) .....
>
> If I remember, I have used this license on severals AXP.
> That being said, I have tested all hobbyist licenses I have
> received by mail from HP with the same result and some of them were
> used on AS200/AS600/AS800/PWS500a without trouble (these servers were
> bought without disks and I have installed OpenVMS myself).
> I don't remember if I have tested these licenses on my real ES40 I
> have bought with a installed OpenVMS.
>
> Regards,
>
> JKB
>

VAX license will not work on Alpha...

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JKB,

what does SHOW LIC/CHARGE report ?

What does $ LIC LIST/FULL report for

Availability: ...
Activity: ...
Hardware ID: should be empty

Volker.

Le 18-05-2022, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> a écrit :
>
> VAX license will not work on Alpha...
>

I know. I have VAX _and_ ALPHA licenses.

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Le 18-05-2022, Volker Halle <volker_halle@hotmail.com> a écrit :
> JKB,
>
> what does SHOW LIC/CHARGE report ?

$ SHOW LIC/CHARGE
VMS/LMF Charge Information for node BOHR
This is a AlphaServer ES40, hardware model type 1817
Type: A, Units Required: 50 (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)
Type: B, * Not Permitted * (VAX/VMS F&A Server)
Type: C, * Not Permitted * (VAX/VMS Concurrent User)
Type: D, * Not Permitted * (VAX/VMS Workstation)
Type: E, * Not Permitted * (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)
Type: F, * Not Permitted * (VAX Layered Products)
Type: G, * Not Permitted * (Reserved)
Type: H, Units Required: 1050 (Alpha Layered Products)
Type: I, Units Required: 1050 (Layered Products)
$

> What does $ LIC LIST/FULL report for
>
> Availability: ...
Availability: 0

> Activity: ...
Activity: 0

> Hardware ID: should be empty
Empty.

JKB

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On 2022-05-18, JKB <JKB@hilbert.invalid> wrote:
> Le 17-05-2022, Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> a écrit :
>> On 2022-05-17, JKB <JKB@hilbert.invalid> wrote:
>>> I suppose I have done a mistake... Help will be welcome.
>>>
>>
>> Are you by any chance using a broken version of axpbox ?
>
> I don't know. I'm trying to use last version (from git).
>

Have you tried using an older version ?

It's possible something may have broken in the current version.

>> What answers do you get if you try the following:
>>
>> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("arch_name")
>> Alpha
>> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("arch_type")
>> 2
>
> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("arch_name")
> Alpha
> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("arch_type")
> 2
> $

Which is what would be expected.

I think at this point, you need to eliminate the possibility of some kind
of emulation problem.

Simon.

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On 5/18/2022 4:02 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
> On 18/05/2022 09:52, JKB wrote:
>> Le 18-05-2022, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> a écrit :
>>> Might be a silly question, but is the old HPE livrnse for Alpha? Are you
>>> sure it is not for VAX or I64?
>>
>>     HPE license runs fine on a VAX (and simh). For example, on real vax :
>>
>> $ show license vax-vms
>>
>> Active licenses on node FERMAT:
>>
>> ------- Product ID --------    ---- Rating ----- -- Version --
>> Product            Producer    Units Avail Activ Version Release    Termination
>> VAX-VMS            DEC             0  0     0      0.0  (none)      .....
>>
>>     If I remember, I have used this license on severals AXP.
>>     That being said, I have tested all hobbyist licenses I have
>>     received by mail from HP with the same result and some of them were
>>     used on AS200/AS600/AS800/PWS500a without trouble (these servers were
>>     bought without disks and I have installed OpenVMS myself).
>>     I don't remember if I have tested these licenses on my real ES40 I
>>     have bought with a installed OpenVMS.
>>
>>     Regards,
>>
>>     JKB
>>
>
> VAX license will not work on Alpha...
>

Actually it does. At least the HP(E) Hobbyist License does. If you asked, they gave you a VAX/ALPHA compatible set of PAKS and a different set for Integrity.

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Le 18-05-2022, Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> a écrit :
> On 2022-05-18, JKB <JKB@hilbert.invalid> wrote:
>> Le 17-05-2022, Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> a écrit :
>>> On 2022-05-17, JKB <JKB@hilbert.invalid> wrote:
>>>> I suppose I have done a mistake... Help will be welcome.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you by any chance using a broken version of axpbox ?
>>
>> I don't know. I'm trying to use last version (from git).
>>
>
> Have you tried using an older version ?

Nope.

I will try.

JKB

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JKB schrieb am 18.05.2022 um 09:16:
> Le 17-05-2022, Volker Halle <volker_halle@hotmail.com> a écrit :
>> JKB,
>>
>> $ HELP/MESS WRGARCH is very clear.
>>
>> There are only 4 possible architecutres for OpenVMS: VAX, Alpha. IA64 and now x86-64
>>
>> Try $ write sys$output f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME") - it should say: Alpha on an axpbox
>
> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME")
> Alpha
>
> Seems to be good.

Try write sys$output f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME"), ">"

Is there a trailing space behind "Alpha" and before the ">"?

>> What does $ LICENSE/LIST/FULL OPENVMS-ALPHA show under Options = ?
>
> Nothing :
>
> -----------------------------------
> Issuer: DEC
> Authorization: HOBBYIST-VA-...
> Product Name: OPENVMS-ALPHA
> Producer: DEC
> Units: 0
> Version: 0.0
> ....
> Options:
> ....
> Revision Level: 2
> Status: Active
> Command: ENABLE
> Modified by user: SYSTEM
> Modified on: 17-MAY-2022 18:12:29.25

In a previous post you mention:

>> What does $ LIC LIST/FULL report for
>>
>> Availability: ...
> Availability: 0
>
>> Activity: ...
> Activity: 0

This is strange. My hobbyist license has /ACTIVITY=CONSTANT=100 in its
definition and LMF reports
> Activity: 000000100

Not sure whether this is relevant for the WRGARCH message...

This hobbyist license loads fine on an emulated DS10 (CHARON-AXP) with
the date set back.

Hans.

Le 18-05-2022, Hans Bachner <hans@bachner.priv.at> a écrit :
> JKB schrieb am 18.05.2022 um 09:16:
>> Le 17-05-2022, Volker Halle <volker_halle@hotmail.com> a écrit :
>>> JKB,
>>>
>>> $ HELP/MESS WRGARCH is very clear.
>>>
>>> There are only 4 possible architecutres for OpenVMS: VAX, Alpha. IA64 and now x86-64
>>>
>>> Try $ write sys$output f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME") - it should say: Alpha on an axpbox
>>
>> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME")
>> Alpha
>>
>> Seems to be good.
>
> Try write sys$output f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME"), ">"

I have upgraded 8.4 (HPE) to 8.4L1 (VSI) to try to use a VSI license
(and I have asked VSI if its icommunity license can be used on ES40.
Answer : yes, of course). If I cannot install OpenVMS on axpbox, I
will try to restart my ES40.

That being said...

$ write sys$output f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME"), ">"
Alpha>

> Is there a trailing space behind "Alpha" and before the ">"?

No.

But with VSI license, system runs as expected:

$ sh sys
OpenVMS V8.4-2L1 on node BOHR 19-MAY-2022 17:09:42.78 Uptime 0 00:06:57
....
$ show license

Active licenses on node BOHR:

------- Product ID -------- ---- Rating ----- -- Version --
Product Producer Units Avail Activ Version Release Termination
ALPHA-LP VSI 1050 H 0 0.0 (none) 22-SEP-2022
ALPHA-SYSTEM VSI 150 A 0 0.0 (none) 22-SEP-2022

Now axpbox runs as expected but takes 100% of a CPU on host server.
simh, for example, can be configured with

set cpu idle = VMS

Is there a similar option in axpbox ?

Best regards,

JKB

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On 19/05/2022 16:23, JKB wrote:
> Le 18-05-2022, Hans Bachner <hans@bachner.priv.at> a écrit :
>> JKB schrieb am 18.05.2022 um 09:16:
>>> Le 17-05-2022, Volker Halle <volker_halle@hotmail.com> a écrit :
>>>> JKB,
>>>>
>>>> $ HELP/MESS WRGARCH is very clear.
>>>>
>>>> There are only 4 possible architecutres for OpenVMS: VAX, Alpha. IA64 and now x86-64
>>>>
>>>> Try $ write sys$output f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME") - it should say: Alpha on an axpbox
>>>
>>> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME")
>>> Alpha
>>>
>>> Seems to be good.
>>
>> Try write sys$output f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME"), ">"
>
> I have upgraded 8.4 (HPE) to 8.4L1 (VSI) to try to use a VSI license
> (and I have asked VSI if its icommunity license can be used on ES40.
> Answer : yes, of course). If I cannot install OpenVMS on axpbox, I
> will try to restart my ES40.
>
> That being said...
>
> $ write sys$output f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME"), ">"
> Alpha>
>
>> Is there a trailing space behind "Alpha" and before the ">"?
>
> No.
>
> But with VSI license, system runs as expected:
>
> $ sh sys
> OpenVMS V8.4-2L1 on node BOHR 19-MAY-2022 17:09:42.78 Uptime 0 00:06:57
> ...
> $ show license
>
> Active licenses on node BOHR:
>
> ------- Product ID -------- ---- Rating ----- -- Version --
> Product Producer Units Avail Activ Version Release Termination
> ALPHA-LP VSI 1050 H 0 0.0 (none) 22-SEP-2022
> ALPHA-SYSTEM VSI 150 A 0 0.0 (none) 22-SEP-2022
>
> Now axpbox runs as expected but takes 100% of a CPU on host server.
> simh, for example, can be configured with
>
> set cpu idle = VMS
>
> Is there a similar option in axpbox ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> JKB
>

Migration Specialities now have a fix for 100% usage of one core/thread,
but said it doesn't yet work on VSI 8.4-2L1

However on 25th April:

> FreeAXP 4.0.0.669 has been released. In this release, Auto-Idle
> supports OpenVMS 8.4-2L1 as well as all other major OpenVMS and Tru64
> UNIX releases.

I intend to upgrade!

Chris

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On 19/05/2022 17:05, Chris Townley wrote:
>
> Migration Specialities now have a fix for 100% usage of one core/thread,
> but said it doesn't yet work on VSI 8.4-2L1
>
> However on 25th April:
>
> > FreeAXP 4.0.0.669 has been released. In this release, Auto-Idle
> > supports OpenVMS 8.4-2L1 as well as all other major OpenVMS and Tru64
> > UNIX releases.
>
> I intend to upgrade!

Just installed this upgrade and it works well. Not sure how it will
affect the VMS performance - Bruce does warn about this, but neither is
a core maxed out!
There is a new checkbox in the config you need to set.

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On 2022-05-19, JKB <JKB@hilbert.invalid> wrote:
>
> Now axpbox runs as expected but takes 100% of a CPU on host server.
> simh, for example, can be configured with
>
> set cpu idle = VMS
>
> Is there a similar option in axpbox ?
>

Did you have any luck trying an older version of axpbox with HPE VMS ?

Simon.

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