German state Schleswig-Holstei ditching Windows for Linux, 30K migrating.
High hardware speced machines req'd for Windsows 11 and rising licence
costs big part to why

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/german-state-gov-
ditching-windows-for-linux-30k-workers-migrating/

On 06.04.2024 um 17:27 Uhr noel wrote:

> German state Schleswig-Holstei ditching Windows for Linux, 30K
> migrating.

I hope it will succeed!

--
kind regards
Marco

Send spam to 1712417249muell@cartoonies.org

On 4/6/24 03:27, noel wrote:
> German state Schleswig-Holstei ditching Windows for Linux, 30K migrating.
> High hardware speced machines req'd for Windsows 11 and rising licence
> costs big part to why
>
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/german-state-gov-
> ditching-windows-for-linux-30k-workers-migrating/

Respectable effort, if for the last 20 years Linux had been taught in
schools (instead of how to 'use' windows) society would already have the
same texto generation with the difference that they could also spell,
compose and code at least some bash but all at the same time. In-house
programming would be emerging already.

--
“The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its
thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
― Thucydides

noel writes:

> German state Schleswig-Holstei ditching Windows for Linux, 30K migrating.
> High hardware speced machines req'd for Windsows 11 and rising licence
> costs big part to why

I have a distinct recollection of various European municipalities making the
same exact announcement, almost word for word, every 3-4 years, or so. Up to
now they always did that to get concessions out of Microsoft because their
support contract was up for renewal. Not sure what the story is, this time.

bad sector <forgetski@invalid.org> wrote:
> On 4/6/24 03:27, noel wrote:
>> German state Schleswig-Holstei ditching Windows for Linux, 30K migrating.
>> High hardware speced machines req'd for Windsows 11 and rising licence
>> costs big part to why
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/german-state-gov-
>> ditching-windows-for-linux-30k-workers-migrating/
>
> Respectable effort, if for the last 20 years Linux had been taught in
> schools (instead of how to 'use' windows) society would already have the
> same texto generation with the difference that they could also spell,
> compose and code at least some bash but all at the same time. In-house
> programming would be emerging already.

Ok, be realistic. If schools had taught "Linux" instead, what would
the schools have likely done? The would have taught /how to use Gnome/
or /how to use StarOffice/OpenOffice/LibreOffice/ instead of "how to
use windows".

The reason being that when you look at the population "not on usenet"
you find that the vast majority want to treat their computer like a
phone. They want only to know which picture to touch in order to "post
a tik-toc" or "read their FB feed". They want to treat their computer
like a "special purpose appliance" -- it will show cat videos, and let
them fill out their tax forms, but they don't care, and do not want to
know, how it works. And they very much do not want (nor understand any
need) to know how to make it do their bidding.

With that said, had schools taught Linux we'd probably have a few more
folks who do "manipulate the machines inner workings" just because the
opportunity to do so is greater with Linux than Windows. Provided of
course the IT admins did not first strip /Linux/ of everything useful
(compilers, scripting languages, etc.) out of fear that the students
might "misuse" something, effectively converting a Linux install into a
system as useful as a base Windows install (i.e., not useful by itself
one bit).

Sam <sam@email-scan.com> wrote:
> noel writes:
>
>> German state Schleswig-Holstei ditching Windows for Linux, 30K migrating.
>> High hardware speced machines req'd for Windsows 11 and rising licence
>> costs big part to why
>
> I have a distinct recollection of various European municipalities making the
> same exact announcement, almost word for word, every 3-4 years, or so. Up to
> now they always did that to get concessions out of Microsoft because their
> support contract was up for renewal. Not sure what the story is, this time.

This one is a Deja-vu from some years ago of some other German state
"ditching windows" (or maybe it was "ditching MSOffice for
LibreOffice"). After some time there was a further annouoncement that
they were "going back". The local MS mafia had made them an offer they
could not refuse.

Assuming the reasoning was not a hallucination by the reporter at least
to fully address the concern MS would have to not only cut their
licencing costs but also rebate part of the "high speced hardware"
costs too.

Rich writes:

> Sam <sam@email-scan.com> wrote:
> > noel writes:
> >
> >> German state Schleswig-Holstei ditching Windows for Linux, 30K migrating.
> >> High hardware speced machines req'd for Windsows 11 and rising licence
> >> costs big part to why
> >
> > I have a distinct recollection of various European municipalities making
> the
> > same exact announcement, almost word for word, every 3-4 years, or so. Up
> to
> > now they always did that to get concessions out of Microsoft because their
> > support contract was up for renewal. Not sure what the story is, this time.
>
> This one is a Deja-vu from some years ago of some other German state
> "ditching windows" (or maybe it was "ditching MSOffice for
> LibreOffice"). After some time there was a further annouoncement that
> they were "going back". The local MS mafia had made them an offer they
> could not refuse.

I also recall that the Brits also got in on the action at one point. I tried
searching for it, and I found what I was recalling:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-councils-dump-windows-for-linux/

And this also referenced the episode you remembered: Munich.

I'm pretty sure all of these eventually hit the reverse button.

On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 14:37:27 +0000, Rich wrote:

> Sam <sam@email-scan.com> wrote:
>
> LibreOffice"). After some time there was a further annouoncement that
> they were "going back". The local MS mafia had made them an offer they
> could not refuse.

Yeah but the stupidly high spec hardware requirements for win11 is MS
giving these orgs the rope they need to hang MS with, thats bit different
then last cave-in with MS special deals, and from memory that German
state resisted until a change in that govt, Marco might be able to shed
light if that rumour was correct.

My laptop, not a bargain POS but not the highest of top end, and only a
couple years old, gets the doesnt meet requirements BS, my 2 desktops
might, but runs linux, as all my desktops have since '92/'93 (including
most work PC's) and that wont be changing any decade soon.

Sam <sam@email-scan.com> writes:

> noel writes:
>
>> German state Schleswig-Holstei ditching Windows for Linux, 30K migrating.
>> High hardware speced machines req'd for Windsows 11 and rising licence
>> costs big part to why
>
> I have a distinct recollection of various European municipalities
> making the same exact announcement, almost word for word, every 3-4
> years, or so. Up to now they always did that to get concessions out of
> Microsoft because their support contract was up for renewal. Not sure
> what the story is, this time.

The article mentions a few things: digital sovereignty and Windows 2011
limitations vs. older hardware being two of the bigger purported
drivers.