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From: club...@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)
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Subject: Simh project about to collapse ?
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by: Simon Clubley - Wed, 18 May 2022 12:59 UTC

Just a warning to those of you using simh to emulate various architectures.

It looks like the simh project may be about to collapse:

https://groups.io/g/simh/topics

It looks like the drama started when someone modified simh to write,
by default, metadata back to what should be immutable container files
and then it escalated from there.

Simon.

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by: John H. Reinhardt - Wed, 18 May 2022 13:20 UTC

On 5/18/2022 7:59 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> Just a warning to those of you using simh to emulate various architectures.
>
> It looks like the simh project may be about to collapse:
>
> https://groups.io/g/simh/topics
>
> It looks like the drama started when someone modified simh to write,
> by default, metadata back to what should be immutable container files
> and then it escalated from there.
>
> Simon.
>

Depends on which version you use. Bob Supnik's V3 is doing fine over at http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ with a new release as of 05-May-2022 with V3.12-2

The "V4" project is the one in danger. Though someone will probably fork it before the bruhaha started and it will continue on somehow.

--
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by: Bob Eager - Wed, 18 May 2022 13:22 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 08:20:04 -0500, John H. Reinhardt wrote:

> On 5/18/2022 7:59 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> Just a warning to those of you using simh to emulate various
>> architectures.
>>
>> It looks like the simh project may be about to collapse:
>>
>> https://groups.io/g/simh/topics
>>
>> It looks like the drama started when someone modified simh to write, by
>> default, metadata back to what should be immutable container files and
>> then it escalated from there.
>>
>> Simon.
>>
>>
> Depends on which version you use. Bob Supnik's V3 is doing fine over at
> http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ with a new release as of 05-May-2022 with
> V3.12-2

Indeed. I avoided the V4 fork (which the person who started all the fuss
has tried to make the 'official' one) and am basing a new simulator on
V3.x.

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by: Bob Eager - Wed, 18 May 2022 13:23 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 12:59:41 +0000, Simon Clubley wrote:

> Just a warning to those of you using simh to emulate various
> architectures.
>
> It looks like the simh project may be about to collapse:
>
> https://groups.io/g/simh/topics
>
> It looks like the drama started when someone modified simh to write,
> by default, metadata back to what should be immutable container files
> and then it escalated from there.

That someone seems to regard it as his own personal project, and has been
riding roughshod for a while.

But 3.x is still going strong under the original author.

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From: johnhrei...@thereinhardts.org (John H. Reinhardt)
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by: John H. Reinhardt - Wed, 18 May 2022 13:29 UTC

On 5/18/2022 8:22 AM, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2022 08:20:04 -0500, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2022 7:59 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> Just a warning to those of you using simh to emulate various
>>> architectures.
>>>
>>> It looks like the simh project may be about to collapse:
>>>
>>> https://groups.io/g/simh/topics
>>>
>>> It looks like the drama started when someone modified simh to write, by
>>> default, metadata back to what should be immutable container files and
>>> then it escalated from there.
>>>
>>> Simon.
>>>
>>>
>> Depends on which version you use. Bob Supnik's V3 is doing fine over at
>> http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ with a new release as of 05-May-2022 with
>> V3.12-2
>
> Indeed. I avoided the V4 fork (which the person who started all the fuss
> has tried to make the 'official' one) and am basing a new simulator on
> V3.x.
>

"V4" has some nice improvements, not to mention some nice simulator additions. It's going to suck to switch back to V3 and have to hope someone re-ports the good things. (Not me, I can barely spell "C" much less program in it).

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by: Arne Vajhøj - Wed, 18 May 2022 20:06 UTC

On 5/18/2022 8:59 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> Just a warning to those of you using simh to emulate various architectures.
>
> It looks like the simh project may be about to collapse:
>
> https://groups.io/g/simh/topics
>
> It looks like the drama started when someone modified simh to write,
> by default, metadata back to what should be immutable container files
> and then it escalated from there.

I believe there is strong interest in SIMH.

That means it will not collapse.

Either they will work it out or it will be forked and
the fork will become the main version.

Arne

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by: Bill Gunshannon - Thu, 19 May 2022 12:54 UTC

On 5/18/22 09:20, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
> On 5/18/2022 7:59 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> Just a warning to those of you using simh to emulate various
>> architectures.
>>
>> It looks like the simh project may be about to collapse:
>>
>> https://groups.io/g/simh/topics
>>
>> It looks like the drama started when someone modified simh to write,
>> by default, metadata back to what should be immutable container files
>> and then it escalated from there.
>>
>> Simon.
>>
>
> Depends on which version you use. Bob Supnik's V3 is doing fine over at
> http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ with a new release as of 05-May-2022 with
> V3.12-2
>
> The "V4" project is the one in danger. Though someone will probably
> fork it before the bruhaha started and it will continue on somehow.
>

I was going to comment on this but have been out of the loop for a few
days (another bad hospital stay, sigh...). I only use the orignal
Supnik version and avoid all the drama. But then, as everyone here
probably already knows, I still use K&R C, too. Such is the life of
a dinosaur.

bill

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by: Bill Gunshannon - Thu, 19 May 2022 12:56 UTC

On 5/18/22 16:06, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 5/18/2022 8:59 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> Just a warning to those of you using simh to emulate various
>> architectures.
>>
>> It looks like the simh project may be about to collapse:
>>
>> https://groups.io/g/simh/topics
>>
>> It looks like the drama started when someone modified simh to write,
>> by default, metadata back to what should be immutable container files
>> and then it escalated from there.
>
> I believe there is strong interest in SIMH.
>
> That means it will not collapse.
>
> Either they will work it out or it will be forked and
> the fork will become the main version.

The only "main version" is the original. Anything else is just a cheap
copy.

bill

Subject	Author
Simh project about to collapse ?	Simon Clubley
Re: Simh project about to collapse ?	John H. Reinhardt
Re: Simh project about to collapse ?	Bob Eager
Re: Simh project about to collapse ?	John H. Reinhardt
Re: Simh project about to collapse ?	Bill Gunshannon
Re: Simh project about to collapse ?	Bob Eager
Re: Simh project about to collapse ?	Arne Vajhøj
Re: Simh project about to collapse ?	Bill Gunshannon