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| `* Re: UDP Google GRoupsRay Banana
|  +* Re: UDP Google GRoupsIvo Gandolfo
|  |`* INN, perl-nocem and PGP (was: UDP Google GRoups)Ray Banana
|  | `- Re: INN, perl-nocem and PGPRichard Kettlewell
|  `- Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
`* Re: UDP Google GRoupsAnton Shepelev
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 |   |  |   +* Re: UDP Google GRoupsMarco Moock
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Re: UDP Google GRoups

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From: doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.software.nntp,comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: UDP Google GRoups
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2023 17:00:45 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: NetKnow News
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References: <uda1ti$7qs$51@gallifrey.nk.ca> <uda6j5$2i2g6$3@dont-email.me> <uda6pb$2hr8j$5@dont-email.me> <udb7fn$27fp$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>
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Originator: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
 by: The Doctor - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 17:00 UTC

In article <udb7fn$27fp$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>In article <uda6pb$2hr8j$5@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
>>Am 06.09.2023 um 15:41:26 Uhr schrieb Adam H. Kerman:
>>
>>> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
>>> >Am 06.09.2023 um 14:21:38 Uhr schrieb The Doctor:
>>>
>>> >>About time these abusers are put to book!
>>>
>>> >Are there many server that peer with Google?
>>> >news.highwinds-media.com
>>> >proxad.net
>>> >giganews
>>> >These are mostly used
>>>
>>> Come on, Marco, it's impossible to take you seriously when you post
>>> followups to Yads. All major News sites peer with Google Groups. There
>>> may be exceptions but I don't know what they are.
>>
>>I heard the rumor that peering with Google Groups isn't public. I
>>simply grepped over the articles I've on my machine, but I assume
>>that the result would be different if most news servers peered with
>>Google.
>>
>
>I will never peer with GG, high spam!
>
>>> Despite abuse problems they remain a major source of articles.
>>
>>True, there are some interesting posts. One of the reasons I don't have
>>Google Groups in my killfile.
>>
>>I don't think that UDP is a good idea here.
>>Much better would be to only block articles that have certain words in
>>the subject, like the name of drugs.
>>
>
>And certain addresses.

WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are flooding
comp.lang.c to no end!
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 by: llp - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 08:17 UTC

doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) composa la prose suivante:

Hi,

>WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are flooding
>comp.lang.c to no end!

Same on sci.crypt and sci.lang.japan

I modify my nocem (bot: nocembot on news.lists.filters )
to protect "fr", "comp" and "sci" hierarchy.
The bot track "spam" and "flood" every five minutes.
It track also est-asian spam.

You can use these nocem on your server to make yours
groups more redeable.

best regards,
newsmaster of news.usenet.ovh

Copy and Follow to "news.admin.net-abuse.usenet"

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From: anton....@gmail.moc (Anton Shepelev)
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 by: Anton Shepelev - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 10:54 UTC

The Doctor:

> WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are
> flooding comp.lang.c to no end!

Is it a coincidence that it stopped here in CLC several
hours after I logged in to Google Gropus and reported some
fourty Thai articles as SPAM?

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From: ben.use...@bsb.me.uk (Ben Bacarisse)
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 by: Ben Bacarisse - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 11:02 UTC

Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> writes:

> The Doctor:
>
>> WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are
>> flooding comp.lang.c to no end!
>
> Is it a coincidence that it stopped here in CLC several
> hours after I logged in to Google Gropus and reported some
> fourty Thai articles as SPAM?

Probably. Ray (who runs Eternal September) is aware of the issue and is
continually (or so I imagine) updating his filters.

I have another feed and, using that alternate view, comp.lang.c has had
2407 posts in the last day.

--
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 by: Anton Shepelev - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 11:10 UTC

Ben Bacarisse:

> I have another feed and, using that alternate view,
> comp.lang.c has had 2407 posts in the last day.

That is mass-market amounts. I recommend the you notify
that crew running that other server of Ray's solution:

,---- <slrnuht2ma.s6bh.rayban@raybanana.net>
| Currently, I'm running all articles originating from GG
| through a SpamAssassin server with a Usenet-specific
| ruleset and reject all articles marked as spam.
| [...]
| The rejected articles are sent to a batcher that creates
| NoCeM messages for the rejected articles and posts them to
| news.lists.filters, so other newsservers can use them to
| clean up their own servers.
`----------------------------

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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:09 UTC

In article <oqrshitmcte6nfr4e8itu7ckobei3oi45b@news.usenet.ovh>,
llp <llp@usenet.ovh.invalid> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) composa la prose suivante:
>
>Hi,
>
>>WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are flooding
>>comp.lang.c to no end!
>
>Same on sci.crypt and sci.lang.japan
>
>I modify my nocem (bot: nocembot on news.lists.filters )
>to protect "fr", "comp" and "sci" hierarchy.
>The bot track "spam" and "flood" every five minutes.
>It track also est-asian spam.
>
>You can use these nocem on your server to make yours
>groups more redeable.
>
>best regards,
>newsmaster of news.usenet.ovh
>
>
>
>Copy and Follow to "news.admin.net-abuse.usenet"
>

FYI how can one use nocem in INN?

>
>--
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>
>Recherche d'article Usenet
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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:16 UTC

In article <5f8fa6eb-ed54-4448-9e2c-6cda1dddaef1n@googlegroups.com>,
james...@alumni.caltech.edu <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:54:24 AM UTC-4, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>> The Doctor:
>> > WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are
>> > flooding comp.lang.c to no end!
>> Is it a coincidence that it stopped here in CLC several
>> hours after I logged in to Google Gropus and reported some
>> fourty Thai articles as SPAM?
>
>Probably - I have routinely reported all spam I saw while logged into
>Google Groups for many years now, I doubt that my reports had any
>effects other than on my own GG account. When I accidentally used GG
>without being logged in, all of the spam I'd previously reported was
>fully visible.
>The surge in messages offering illegal merchandise finally overwhelmed
>me, so I no longer bother reporting them.

Depeer Google Groups now!
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From: ray...@raybanana.net (Ray Banana)
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 by: Ray Banana - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:37 UTC

* The Doctor wrote:

> FYI how can one use nocem in INN?

INN comes with perl-nocem.

https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/perl-nocem.html

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From: use...@bofh.team (Ivo Gandolfo)
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 by: Ivo Gandolfo - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 12:43 UTC

On 05/10/2023 14:37, Ray Banana wrote:
> * The Doctor wrote:
>
>> FYI how can one use nocem in INN?
>
> INN comes with perl-nocem.
>
> https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/perl-nocem.html
>

Just a little info:

INN2 come with gpg1, to be sure to remove gpg1 and install gpg2, with
library libgcrypt version 1.10.1, in other case some new signature
you're unable to certify (on my system ubuntu 22.04, the old library
don't support a lot of new signature).

Sincerely

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 by: candycanearter07 - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 13:01 UTC

On 10/5/23 06:10, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> ,---- <slrnuht2ma.s6bh.rayban@raybanana.net>
> | Currently, I'm running all articles originating from GG
> | through a SpamAssassin server with a Usenet-specific
> | ruleset and reject all articles marked as spam.
> | [...]
> | The rejected articles are sent to a batcher that creates
> | NoCeM messages for the rejected articles and posts them to
> | news.lists.filters, so other newsservers can use them to
> | clean up their own servers.
> `----------------------------
>

Where did you find this?
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 by: Sn!pe - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 13:36 UTC

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:

> On 10/5/23 06:10, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> > ,---- <slrnuht2ma.s6bh.rayban@raybanana.net>
> > | Currently, I'm running all articles originating from GG
> > | through a SpamAssassin server with a Usenet-specific
> > | ruleset and reject all articles marked as spam.
> > | [...]
> > | The rejected articles are sent to a batcher that creates
> > | NoCeM messages for the rejected articles and posts them to
> > | news.lists.filters, so other newsservers can use them to
> > | clean up their own servers.
> > `----------------------------
> >
>
> Where did you find this?
>

That's a Message-ID up there.
It was in eternal-september.support

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On 10/5/23 08:36, Sn!pe wrote:
> That's a Message-ID up there.
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OK, thanks
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 by: Kaz Kylheku - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 16:52 UTC

On 2023-10-05, Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote:
> Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> writes:
>
>> The Doctor:
>>
>>> WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are
>>> flooding comp.lang.c to no end!
>>
>> Is it a coincidence that it stopped here in CLC several
>> hours after I logged in to Google Gropus and reported some
>> fourty Thai articles as SPAM?
>
> Probably. Ray (who runs Eternal September) is aware of the issue and is
> continually (or so I imagine) updating his filters.
>
> I have another feed and, using that alternate view, comp.lang.c has had
> 2407 posts in the last day.

We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.

That is to say, servers like Eternal September should reject all
articles from Google Groups, except from users who are whitelisted.

Usenet could get together and provide a registration service whereby
Google Groups users can register their account for whitelisting.
Those who don't are effectively shadow banned by default, confined
to the Google Groups echo chamber.

Obviously, that registration system would have to be better run than
Google's own account registration, which is the point. Google sets such
a low bar that effort would be needed to bend down that far to do
an equally bad job.

One technical difficulty is that, in the article headers, Google Groups
accounts are identified by an anonymized account ID string. Users don't
know what that string is, and there might not be any way to get it other
than sending an article to another server and getting the headers from
there. (Perhaps GG lets you view the raw article, with headers, if it's
your own).

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 by: Dan Purgert - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 17:07 UTC

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On 2023-10-05, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> [...]
> We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.
>
> That is to say, servers like Eternal September should reject all
> articles from Google Groups, except from users who are whitelisted.

Maybe the "whitelist" is simply "those users who don't use
google-groups"? :)

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 by: Retro Guy - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 17:44 UTC

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 16:52:03 -0000 (UTC)
Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> wrote:

> On 2023-10-05, Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote:
> > Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> writes:
> >
> >> The Doctor:
> >>
> >>> WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are
> >>> flooding comp.lang.c to no end!
> >>
> >> Is it a coincidence that it stopped here in CLC several
> >> hours after I logged in to Google Gropus and reported some
> >> fourty Thai articles as SPAM?
> >
> > Probably. Ray (who runs Eternal September) is aware of the issue and is
> > continually (or so I imagine) updating his filters.
> >
> > I have another feed and, using that alternate view, comp.lang.c has had
> > 2407 posts in the last day.
>
> We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.
>
> That is to say, servers like Eternal September should reject all
> articles from Google Groups, except from users who are whitelisted.
>
> Usenet could get together and provide a registration service whereby
> Google Groups users can register their account for whitelisting.
> Those who don't are effectively shadow banned by default, confined
> to the Google Groups echo chamber.

That would probably be more trouble than it's worth. At least in non-tech
groups, many (most?) GG users don't even know they are using usenet. I've
had threats to one of my sites (web usenet interface) that if I don't stop
scraping google groups for content, they would contact Google (lol)

First you would need to explain what is Usenet, before even trying to get
them to care about their posts showing up anywhere else.

That may not seem like a big deal, but you would be messing up non-tech groups
for non GG users, as they would no longer see most of their recipes, or discussion
of boats or whatever, making their favourite groups much less useful for them.

--
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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 6 Oct 2023 00:00 UTC

In article <slrnuhtbgs.s6bh.rayban@raybanana.net>,
Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:
>* The Doctor wrote:
>
>> FYI how can one use nocem in INN?
>
>INN comes with perl-nocem.
>
>https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/perl-nocem.html
>

Got you.

>--
>Пу́тін — хуйло́
>http://www.eternal-september.org

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 by: Ray Banana - Fri, 6 Oct 2023 06:25 UTC

Thus spake Ivo Gandolfo <usenet@bofh.team>
> INN2 come with gpg1, to be sure to remove gpg1 and install gpg2, with
> library libgcrypt version 1.10.1, in other case some new signature
> you're unable to certify (on my system ubuntu 22.04, the old library
> don't support a lot of new signature).

PMFJI, but INN does not include any version of GnuPG:

"If not already done, install GnuPG, or an equivalent implementation
of the OpenPGP standard, to be able to verify the signature of NoCeM
notices. It will provide the gpg and gpgv programs. If GnuPG was
already installed when INN was configured, then the paths to these
programs were taken into account. Otherwise, you have to set the
$gpg and $gpgv variables in pathlib/perl/INN/Config.pm to the paths
to these programs."

https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/perl-nocem.html

I assume that the Debian/Ubuntu packages for INN have a dependency on gpg1,
but it's perfectly OK to have both gpg1 and gpg2 installed, as long
as you make sure pathlib/perl/INN/Config.pm contains the correct
paths.

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 by: Richard Kettlewell - Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:14 UTC

Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> writes:
> I assume that the Debian/Ubuntu packages for INN have a dependency on
> gpg1,

It’s a soft dependency (“Suggests:”) but yes.

> but it's perfectly OK to have both gpg1 and gpg2 installed, as long as
> you make sure pathlib/perl/INN/Config.pm contains the correct paths.

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 by: Richard Harnden - Fri, 6 Oct 2023 14:16 UTC

On 05/10/2023 18:44, Retro Guy wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 16:52:03 -0000 (UTC)
> Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-10-05, Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote:
>>> Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> writes:
>>>
>>>> The Doctor:
>>>>
>>>>> WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are
>>>>> flooding comp.lang.c to no end!
>>>>
>>>> Is it a coincidence that it stopped here in CLC several
>>>> hours after I logged in to Google Gropus and reported some
>>>> fourty Thai articles as SPAM?
>>>
>>> Probably. Ray (who runs Eternal September) is aware of the issue and is
>>> continually (or so I imagine) updating his filters.
>>>
>>> I have another feed and, using that alternate view, comp.lang.c has had
>>> 2407 posts in the last day.
>>
>> We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.

If a GG user manages to find a technical group that hasn't been flooded
with spam, then they'd wonder why an otherwise active group is
completely ignoring them. I don't think whitelisting would be fair.

>>
>> That is to say, servers like Eternal September should reject all
>> articles from Google Groups, except from users who are whitelisted.
>>
>> Usenet could get together and provide a registration service whereby
>> Google Groups users can register their account for whitelisting.
>> Those who don't are effectively shadow banned by default, confined
>> to the Google Groups echo chamber.
>
> That would probably be more trouble than it's worth. At least in non-tech
> groups, many (most?) GG users don't even know they are using usenet. I've
> had threats to one of my sites (web usenet interface) that if I don't stop
> scraping google groups for content, they would contact Google (lol)
>
> First you would need to explain what is Usenet, before even trying to get
> them to care about their posts showing up anywhere else.
>
> That may not seem like a big deal, but you would be messing up non-tech groups
> for non GG users, as they would no longer see most of their recipes, or discussion
> of boats or whatever, making their favourite groups much less useful for them.

If you google "What is usenet", the top results are basically "It's
better than bittorrent but you'll need to pay for a news-server that
carrys binaries and has a long retention".

I seems most magazine authors don't know what usenet is either.

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Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> writes:
>On 05/10/2023 18:44, Retro Guy wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 16:52:03 -0000 (UTC)
>> Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-10-05, Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote:
>>>> Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> The Doctor:
>>>>>
>>>>>> WEll now more calls at East-asian spmatrollers are
>>>>>> flooding comp.lang.c to no end!
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it a coincidence that it stopped here in CLC several
>>>>> hours after I logged in to Google Gropus and reported some
>>>>> fourty Thai articles as SPAM?
>>>>
>>>> Probably. Ray (who runs Eternal September) is aware of the issue and is
>>>> continually (or so I imagine) updating his filters.
>>>>
>>>> I have another feed and, using that alternate view, comp.lang.c has had
>>>> 2407 posts in the last day.
>>>
>>> We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.
>
>If a GG user manages to find a technical group that hasn't been flooded
>with spam, then they'd wonder why an otherwise active group is
>completely ignoring them. I don't think whitelisting would be fair.

It appears that if enough people using the google groups interface
complain about spam in comp.lang.c, they'll fix it. That worked for
comp.arch, it appears.

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From: conanosp...@gmail.com (Eric M)
 by: Eric M - Fri, 6 Oct 2023 14:37 UTC

[FU2]
Le 06/10/2023 à 16:28, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) a écrit :

> It appears that if enough people using the google groups interface
> complain about spam in comp.lang.c, they'll fix it. That worked for
> comp.arch, it appears.

Yes, it worked, Google just deleted the newsgroup :
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cfc5652a3-1c35-4b43-8f8d-1527e4257ac2n%40googlegroups.com%3E

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Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> writes:
> Yes, it worked, Google just deleted the newsgroup :
> http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cfc5652a3-1c35-4b43-8f8d-1527e4257ac2n%40googlegroups.com%3E

No, that was a comment from a user during the Thaidal wave referring to
the s/n ratio having gotten so bad the group had become
useless. Checking... the group is still there.

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.arch

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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:21 UTC

In article <1bwmvzg50w.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net>,
Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> writes:
>> Yes, it worked, Google just deleted the newsgroup :
>>
>http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cfc5652a3-1c35-4b43-8f8d-1527e4257ac2n%40googlegroups.com%3E
>
>No, that was a comment from a user during the Thaidal wave referring to
>the s/n ratio having gotten so bad the group had become
>useless. Checking... the group is still there.
>
>https://groups.google.com/g/comp.arch
>

Depeer Google groups now! Enough with the anaccountability!
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Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
There is something wrong with the mind that punishes dissent and not murder. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com

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From: conanosp...@gmail.com (Eric M)
 by: Eric M - Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:40 UTC

Le 06/10/2023 à 17:11, Joe Pfeiffer a écrit :

>> Yes, it worked, Google just deleted the newsgroup :
>>
>> http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cfc5652a3-1c35-4b43-8f8d-1527e4257ac2n%40googlegroups.com%3E

> No, that was a comment from a user during the Thaidal wave referring to
> the s/n ratio having gotten so bad the group had become
> useless. Checking... the group is still there.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.arch

Ah yes, I couldn't find it by myself, strange, thanks for the answer.

Re: UDP Google GRoups

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* The Doctor wrote:

> Depeer Google groups now! Enough with the anaccountability!

Fancy to revive the late Lee Rizor's (a.k.a Blinky the Shark)
Usenet Improvement Project?

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/index.html

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