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* Newsgroups for NoCeM noticesJulien ÉLIE
+- Re: Newsgroups for NoCeM noticesyamo'
`* Re: Newsgroups for NoCeM noticesThomas Hochstein
 +- Re: Newsgroups for NoCeM noticesJulien ÉLIE
 `* Re: Newsgroups for NoCeM noticesThomas Hochstein
  `- Re: Newsgroups for NoCeM noticesJulien ÉLIE

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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien ÉLIE)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Newsgroups for NoCeM notices
Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 12:46:31 +0200
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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Wed, 10 May 2023 10:46 UTC

Hi all,

NoCeM notices for the fr.* hierarchy are currently crossposted between
news.lists.filters and a dedicated newsgroup in fr.*
(fr.usenet.abus.nocem). We're currently discussing a possible removal
of fr.usenet.abus.nocem to only use news.lists.filters for notices sent
by the bots running on fr.*.

The technical reason behind that was for news servers which do not carry
the Big-Eight to only have fr.* and feed it autonomously. For the
servers with fr.* without the Big-Eight, news.lists.filters has to be
manually added and fed. We'll look at whether that case is still common
nowadays.

The followup of such notices would be to our local fr.usenet.abus.d
newsgroup (and not news.admin.net-abuse.usenet).

My question here is: are there other (regional) hierarchies with
similarly a local newsgroup for NoCeM?
It does not seem at least that de.*, uk.* or it.* have one.

I know that aioe.news.nocem and rocksolid.spam exist but are there other
ones?

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Life is short… so eat dessert first! »

Re: Newsgroups for NoCeM notices

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Subject: Re: Newsgroups for NoCeM notices
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 by: yamo' - Thu, 11 May 2023 05:56 UTC

Hi Julien,
Julien ÉLIE a écrit :

> My question here is: are there other (regional) hierarchies with
> similarly a local newsgroup for NoCeM?
> It does not seem at least that de.*, uk.* or it.* have one.

If there are some groups, a commented line with them into the newsfeed file
configuration would be great!

Or listing them in the documentation for nocem.

--
Stéphane
Sorry for my bad English

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Subject: Re: Newsgroups for NoCeM notices
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 by: Thomas Hochstein - Sat, 13 May 2023 16:47 UTC

Julien ÉLIE schrieb:

> My question here is: are there other (regional) hierarchies with
> similarly a local newsgroup for NoCeM?
> It does not seem at least that de.*, uk.* or it.* have one.

We had one (de.admin.news.nocem), created in 1999; it has been removed in
2006 as it hadn't been used for years.

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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien ÉLIE)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: Newsgroups for NoCeM notices
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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Fri, 19 May 2023 16:54 UTC

Hi Thomas,

>> My question here is: are there other (regional) hierarchies with
>> similarly a local newsgroup for NoCeM?
>> It does not seem at least that de.*, uk.* or it.* have one.
>
> We had one (de.admin.news.nocem), created in 1999; it has been removed in
> 2006 as it hadn't been used for years.

OK, thanks for the information.
Seems like nl.internet.misbruik.rapport was also used for Adri Verhoef's
NoCeM notices until 2018. No more notices since then.

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Une robe de femme doit être comme une plaidoirie : assez longue pour
couvrir le sujet, assez courte pour être suivie. »

Re: Newsgroups for NoCeM notices

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 by: Thomas Hochstein - Fri, 19 May 2023 19:58 UTC

/me wrote:

> Julien ÉLIE schrieb:
>> My question here is: are there other (regional) hierarchies with
>> similarly a local newsgroup for NoCeM?
>> It does not seem at least that de.*, uk.* or it.* have one.
>
> We had one (de.admin.news.nocem), created in 1999; it has been removed in
> 2006 as it hadn't been used for years.

Later on, from 2007 to 2011, Alexander Bartolich posted his NOCEMs to
de.admin.net-abuse.announce (and news.lists.filters).

This was not really content that group was intended for, as per the
charter:

| de.admin.net-abuse.announce dient der Veröffentlichung von
| Maßnahmen gegen den Netzmissbrauch, soweit sie im
| deutschsprachigen Raum ihren Ursprung oder Wirkung haben.
| Darunter fallen z.B. Fremdcancel in den de.all-Gruppen, UDP
| (Usenet-Death-Penalty), Schließung von Gateways etc. Die
| Diskussion wird in den anderen Gruppen von de.admin.net-
| abuse.all geführt. Geeignetes Followup-To: ist zu setzen.

meaning

| de.admin.net-abuse.announce is used to publish measures against net
| abuse, insofar as they originate or have an effect in German-speaking
| countries. This includes, for example, foreign cancels in the de.all
| groups, UDP (Usenet Death Penalty), closure of gateways, etc. The
| discussion will take place in the other groups of
| de.admin.net-abuse.all. Appropriate Followup-To: is to be set.

But one could argue that NOCEMs are a special kind of cancel report, and
he was the moderator of that group anyway (until his death, and about 10
years more), so it was what it was. :)

We could do that again, if necessary.

-thh

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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien ÉLIE)
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Subject: Re: Newsgroups for NoCeM notices
Date: Sat, 20 May 2023 09:55:23 +0200
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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Sat, 20 May 2023 07:55 UTC

Hi Thomas,

>> We had one (de.admin.news.nocem), created in 1999; it has been removed in
>> 2006 as it hadn't been used for years.
>
> Later on, from 2007 to 2011, Alexander Bartolich posted his NOCEMs to
> de.admin.net-abuse.announce (and news.lists.filters).
[...]
>
> We could do that again, if necessary.

Thanks for these details. Greatly appreciated.

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Que ferait la femme sans l'homme ?
– Elle dresserait un autre animal. »

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