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* Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
+* Re: UDP Google GRoupsllp
|`* Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
| `* Re: UDP Google GRoupsRay Banana
|  +* Re: UDP Google GRoupsIvo Gandolfo
|  |`* INN, perl-nocem and PGP (was: UDP Google GRoups)Ray Banana
|  | `- Re: INN, perl-nocem and PGPRichard Kettlewell
|  `- Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
`* Re: UDP Google GRoupsAnton Shepelev
 +* Re: UDP Google GRoupsBen Bacarisse
 |+* Re: UDP Google GRoupsAnton Shepelev
 ||`* Re: UDP Google GRoupscandycanearter07
 || `* Re: UDP Google GRoupsSn!pe
 ||  `- Re: UDP Google GRoupscandycanearter07
 |`* Re: UDP Google GRoupsKaz Kylheku
 | +- Re: UDP Google GRoupsDan Purgert
 | `* Re: UDP Google GRoupsRetro Guy
 |  `* Re: UDP Google GRoupsRichard Harnden
 |   +* Re: UDP Google GRoupsScott Lurndal
 |   |`* Re: UDP Google GRoupsEric M
 |   | `* Re: UDP Google GRoupsJoe Pfeiffer
 |   |  +* Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |   |  |+- Re: UDP Google GRoupsRay Banana
 |   |  |`* Re: UDP Google GRoupsKeith Thompson
 |   |  | `* Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |   |  |  +* Re: UDP Google GRoupsKeith Thompson
 |   |  |  |`* Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |   |  |  | `- Re: UDP Google GRoupsKeith Thompson
 |   |  |  `* Re: UDP Google GRoupsAnton Shepelev
 |   |  |   +* Re: UDP Google GRoupsAnton Shepelev
 |   |  |   |+* Re: UDP Google GRoupsEric M
 |   |  |   ||+* Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |   |  |   |||`* Re: UDP Google GRoupscandycanearter07
 |   |  |   ||| +* Re: UDP Google GRoupsEric M
 |   |  |   ||| |`* Re: UDP Google GRoupsRichard Kettlewell
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 |   |  |   ||| |   +- Re: UDP Google GRoupsEric M
 |   |  |   ||| |   `- Re: UDP Google GRoupsEric M
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 |   |  |   |+- Re: UDP Google GRoupsSn!pe
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 |   |  |   +* Re: UDP Google GRoupsMarco Moock
 |   |  |   |`* Re: UDP Google GRoupsAnton Shepelev
 |   |  |   | `- Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |   |  |   +* Re: UDP Google GRoupsShadow
 |   |  |   |`- Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |   |  |   `- Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |   |  `- Re: UDP Google GRoupsEric M
 |   +* Re: UDP Google GRoupsSyber Shock
 |   |`* Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |   | +* Re: UDP Google GRoupscandycanearter07
 |   | |`* Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |   | | `* Re: UDP Google GRoupscandycanearter07
 |   | |  `* Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |   | |   `* Re: UDP Google GRoupscandycanearter07
 |   | |    `- Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |   | `- Re: UDP Google GRoupsJohn
 |   `* Re: UDP Google GRoupsSyber Shock
 |    `* Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |     `* Re: UDP Google GRoupsRetro Guy
 |      +- Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |      +* Re: UDP Google GRoupsSyber Shock
 |      |+* Re: UDP Google GRoupsChris M. Thomasson
 |      ||`* Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |      || `* Re: UDP Google GRoupsChris M. Thomasson
 |      ||  `* Re: UDP Google GRoupscandycanearter07
 |      ||   `- Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
 |      |+* Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
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 |      || `- Re: UDP Google GRoupsllp
 |      |`- Re: UDP Google GRoupsBlue-Maned_Hawk
 |      `* Re: UDP Google GRoupsnoel
 |       `- Re: UDP Google GRoupsThe Doctor
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Re: UDP Google GRoups

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 by: Keith Thompson - Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:22 UTC

doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
> In article <1bwmvzg50w.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net>,
> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Yes, it worked, Google just deleted the newsgroup :
>>>
>>http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cfc5652a3-1c35-4b43-8f8d-1527e4257ac2n%40googlegroups.com%3E
>>
>>No, that was a comment from a user during the Thaidal wave referring to
>>the s/n ratio having gotten so bad the group had become
>>useless. Checking... the group is still there.
>>
>>https://groups.google.com/g/comp.arch
>>
>
> Depeer Google groups now! Enough with the anaccountability!

What exactly woold that do? Would articles posted elsewhere (say, via
eternal-september) no longer appear on the Google Groups web interface?

I'm not pleased with GG as a Usenet interface, but it's still a decent
archive. I wouldn't want to lose that.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Will write code for food.
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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 by: Syber Shock - Fri, 6 Oct 2023 16:32 UTC

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:16:29 +0100
Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> If a GG user manages to find a technical group that hasn't been
> flooded with spam, then they'd wonder why an otherwise active group
> is completely ignoring them. I don't think whitelisting would be
> fair.

Google groups users are the modern version of the September AOL users.

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 by: Syber Shock - Fri, 6 Oct 2023 16:42 UTC

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:16:29 +0100
Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.
>
> If a GG user manages to find a technical group that hasn't been
> flooded with spam, then they'd wonder why an otherwise active group
> is completely ignoring them. I don't think whitelisting would be
> fair.

It is not our job to worry about Google's users.

It is Google's job to worry about their users.

The mother hen mentality fixes nothing.

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From: doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.software.nntp,comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: UDP Google GRoups
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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 00:54 UTC

In article <87y1gfvf7i.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>,
Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
>> In article <1bwmvzg50w.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net>,
>> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>>Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> Yes, it worked, Google just deleted the newsgroup :
>>>>
>>>http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cfc5652a3-1c35-4b43-8f8d-1527e4257ac2n%40googlegroups.com%3E
>>>
>>>No, that was a comment from a user during the Thaidal wave referring to
>>>the s/n ratio having gotten so bad the group had become
>>>useless. Checking... the group is still there.
>>>
>>>https://groups.google.com/g/comp.arch
>>>
>>
>> Depeer Google groups now! Enough with the anaccountability!
>
>What exactly woold that do? Would articles posted elsewhere (say, via
>eternal-september) no longer appear on the Google Groups web interface?
>
>I'm not pleased with GG as a Usenet interface, but it's still a decent
>archive. I wouldn't want to lose that.
>

The archive is already lost due to high spamtrollers!

>--
>Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
>Will write code for food.
>void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 00:55 UTC

In article <d78a803bb42cae27c3cad8f3e7b993d4$1@sybershock.com>,
Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:16:29 +0100
>Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If a GG user manages to find a technical group that hasn't been
>> flooded with spam, then they'd wonder why an otherwise active group
>> is completely ignoring them. I don't think whitelisting would be
>> fair.
>
>Google groups users are the modern version of the September AOL users.
>

Exactly!

>--
> __|__|__|__ 3883@sugar.bug
> __|__|__|__ https://sybershock.com
> __|__|__|__ news://alt.sources.crypto
> | | | #CipherTag #WaffleTag #Cryptologer
>

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Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
There is something wrong with the mind that punishes dissent and not murder. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com

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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 00:55 UTC

In article <2f5fff571adf1caea9290b4ad916ef8d$1@sybershock.com>,
Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:16:29 +0100
>Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.
>>
>> If a GG user manages to find a technical group that hasn't been
>> flooded with spam, then they'd wonder why an otherwise active group
>> is completely ignoring them. I don't think whitelisting would be
>> fair.
>
>It is not our job to worry about Google's users.
>
>It is Google's job to worry about their users.
>
>The mother hen mentality fixes nothing.
>

But their abusers are making groups unreadable.

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> __|__|__|__ https://sybershock.com
> __|__|__|__ news://alt.sources.crypto
> | | | #CipherTag #WaffleTag #Cryptologer
>

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Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
There is something wrong with the mind that punishes dissent and not murder. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com

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 by: Retro Guy - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 00:59 UTC

On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 00:55:43 -0000 (UTC)
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

> In article <2f5fff571adf1caea9290b4ad916ef8d$1@sybershock.com>,
> Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
> >On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:16:29 +0100
> >Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >> We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.
> >>
> >> If a GG user manages to find a technical group that hasn't been
> >> flooded with spam, then they'd wonder why an otherwise active group
> >> is completely ignoring them. I don't think whitelisting would be
> >> fair.
> >
> >It is not our job to worry about Google's users.
> >
> >It is Google's job to worry about their users.
> >
> >The mother hen mentality fixes nothing.
> >
>
> But their abusers are making groups unreadable.

There are efforts by some admins to resolve this. Many groups are now quite
usable as admins are tackling and conquering the spam.

It should need to be this way, but it is what it is. Nobody tells Google what
to do.

--
Retro Guy

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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 01:01 UTC

In article <20231006175944.2258f79eef470c06cf49c5b3@novabbs.org>,
Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> wrote:
>On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 00:55:43 -0000 (UTC)
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
>> In article <2f5fff571adf1caea9290b4ad916ef8d$1@sybershock.com>,
>> Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
>> >On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:16:29 +0100
>> >Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.
>> >>
>> >> If a GG user manages to find a technical group that hasn't been
>> >> flooded with spam, then they'd wonder why an otherwise active group
>> >> is completely ignoring them. I don't think whitelisting would be
>> >> fair.
>> >
>> >It is not our job to worry about Google's users.
>> >
>> >It is Google's job to worry about their users.
>> >
>> >The mother hen mentality fixes nothing.
>> >
>>
>> But their abusers are making groups unreadable.
>
>There are efforts by some admins to resolve this. Many groups are now quite
>usable as admins are tackling and conquering the spam.
>
>It should need to be this way, but it is what it is. Nobody tells Google what
>to do.
>

Too big for their own head.

>--
>Retro Guy

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 by: Syber Shock - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 03:44 UTC

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:59:44 -0700
Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> wrote:

> Nobody tells Google what to do.

Be careful not to poke the bear. The purple-haired Google vegan
skinny-jeans mafia might come after you.

They might shell your house with yogurt and tofu and lettuce greens and
other weapons of rabbit destruction.

--
__|__|__|__ 3883@sugar.bug
__|__|__|__ https://sybershock.com | https://syfershock.com
__|__|__|__ news://alt.sources.crypto
| | | #CipherTag #WaffleTag #Cryptologer

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 by: candycanearter07 - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 04:28 UTC

On 10/6/23 19:55, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <d78a803bb42cae27c3cad8f3e7b993d4$1@sybershock.com>,
> Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:16:29 +0100
>> Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If a GG user manages to find a technical group that hasn't been
>>> flooded with spam, then they'd wonder why an otherwise active group
>>> is completely ignoring them. I don't think whitelisting would be
>>> fair.
>>
>> Google groups users are the modern version of the September AOL users.
>>
>
> Exactly!
>
>> --
>> __|__|__|__ 3883@sugar.bug
>> __|__|__|__ https://sybershock.com
>> __|__|__|__ news://alt.sources.crypto
>> | | | #CipherTag #WaffleTag #Cryptologer
>>
>
>

Ironic the server called "eternal september" didn't emulate the
september user base
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On 10/6/2023 8:44 PM, Syber Shock wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:59:44 -0700
> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> wrote:
>
>> Nobody tells Google what to do.
>
> Be careful not to poke the bear. The purple-haired Google vegan
> skinny-jeans mafia might come after you.
>
> They might shell your house with yogurt and tofu and lettuce greens and
> other weapons of rabbit destruction.
>

Little shits! Humm...

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 by: noel - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 09:32 UTC

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 17:59:44 -0700, Retro Guy wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 00:55:43 -0000 (UTC)
> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
>> In article <2f5fff571adf1caea9290b4ad916ef8d$1@sybershock.com>,
>> Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
>> >On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:16:29 +0100 Richard Harnden
>> ><richard.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.
>> >>
>> >> If a GG user manages to find a technical group that hasn't been
>> >> flooded with spam, then they'd wonder why an otherwise active group
>> >> is completely ignoring them. I don't think whitelisting would be
>> >> fair.
>> >
>> >It is not our job to worry about Google's users.
>> >
>> >It is Google's job to worry about their users.
>> >
>> >The mother hen mentality fixes nothing.
>> >
>> >
>> But their abusers are making groups unreadable.
>
> There are efforts by some admins to resolve this. Many groups are now
> quite usable as admins are tackling and conquering the spam.
>
> It should need to be this way, but it is what it is. Nobody tells Google
> what to do.

pfft google thought they were too big not be dnsbl listed, nor that any
network would dare block all gmail for periods of time to send them a
message, google were wrong, both counts.

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doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
> In article <87y1gfvf7i.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>,
> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
>>> In article <1bwmvzg50w.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net>,
>>> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>>>Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> Yes, it worked, Google just deleted the newsgroup :
>>>>>
>>>>http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cfc5652a3-1c35-4b43-8f8d-1527e4257ac2n%40googlegroups.com%3E
>>>>
>>>>No, that was a comment from a user during the Thaidal wave referring to
>>>>the s/n ratio having gotten so bad the group had become
>>>>useless. Checking... the group is still there.
>>>>
>>>>https://groups.google.com/g/comp.arch
>>>>
>>>
>>> Depeer Google groups now! Enough with the anaccountability!
>>
>>What exactly woold that do? Would articles posted elsewhere (say, via
>>eternal-september) no longer appear on the Google Groups web interface?
>>
>>I'm not pleased with GG as a Usenet interface, but it's still a decent
>>archive. I wouldn't want to lose that.
>
> The archive is already lost due to high spamtrollers!

I presume you know the answer to my question and that the answer is yes:
depeering Google Groups would prevent all newly posted articles from
being added to the GG archive.

I oppose doing that. I suspect the recent wave of Thai spam will be
temporary, and it's still possible that Google may deal with it.

Furthermore, since it's something only Usenet server administrators can
do, and has nothing to do with C, I request that this discussion be
taken out of comp.lang.c, where it is off topic. (We've already had a
necessary discussion of how individual users can filter out the recent
spam.)

I'm redirecting followups to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet; feel free to
cross-post to news.software.nntp if it's really topical there.

I mean, the whole point is that we don't want off-topic posts, right?

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Will write code for food.
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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 by: Anton Shepelev - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 10:47 UTC

The Doctor to Keith Thompson:

> > I'm not pleased with GG as a Usenet interface, but it's
> > still a decent archive. I wouldn't want to lose that.
>
> The archive is already lost due to high spamtrollers!

usenetarcives.com is another emerging option. If they get
enough funding, they may have a chance of replacing Google's
archive. Does anybody know how full their coverage is going
to be?

CLC removed from FollowUp-To: at Keith's request.

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 by: Anton Shepelev - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 10:55 UTC

I wrote:

> usenetarcives.com is another emerging option.

I beg everybody's pardon for a typo in the URL. I had better
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 by: Marco Moock - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 10:58 UTC

Am 07.10.2023 um 13:47:21 Uhr schrieb Anton Shepelev:

> The Doctor to Keith Thompson:
>
> > > I'm not pleased with GG as a Usenet interface, but it's
> > > still a decent archive. I wouldn't want to lose that.
> >
> > The archive is already lost due to high spamtrollers!
>
> usenetarcives.com is another emerging option. If they get
> enough funding, they may have a chance of replacing Google's
> archive. Does anybody know how full their coverage is going
> to be?

Not really good, at least not for recent stuff.
If I search my name, I can't find any post.

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 by: Anton Shepelev - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 11:06 UTC

Marco Moock to Anton Shepelev:

> > usenetarchives.com [Ant: typo fixed] is another emerging
> > option. If they get enough funding, they may have a
> > chance of replacing Google's archive. Does anybody know
> > how full their coverage is going to be?
>
> Not really good, at least not for recent stuff. If I
> search my name, I can't find any post.

They have not finished pupolating the archive yet, and
according the their Stats page, migration to another
database is underway. Let us recheck later.

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From: conanosp...@gmail.com (Eric M)
 by: Eric M - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 11:20 UTC

Le 07/10/2023 à 12:55, Anton Shepelev a écrit :

>> usenetarcives.com is another emerging option.

> I beg everybody's pardon for a typo in the URL. I had better
> copy it from the browser:
>
> <https://www.usenetarchives.com/>

They don't have all the hierarchies. Only the Big 8 and a few alt.*
groups.

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 by: Sn!pe - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 11:55 UTC

Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> wrote:

> I wrote:
>
> > usenetarcives.com is another emerging option.
>
> I beg everybody's pardon for a typo in the URL. I had better
> copy it from the browser:
>
> <https://www.usenetarchives.com/>

That's useful, thank you.

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 by: Shadow - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 12:44 UTC

On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 13:47:21 +0300, Anton Shepelev
<anton.txt@gmail.moc> wrote:

>usenetarcHives.com is another emerging option.

Not really. They use Google scripts.
What could go wrong? <irony>
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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 13:54 UTC

In article <f35182db5b4c06bbc8350051fc621a50$1@sybershock.com>,
Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:59:44 -0700
>Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> wrote:
>
>> Nobody tells Google what to do.
>
>Be careful not to poke the bear. The purple-haired Google vegan
>skinny-jeans mafia might come after you.
>
>They might shell your house with yogurt and tofu and lettuce greens and
>other weapons of rabbit destruction.

Back to the real world, comp.mail.sendmail is getting hammered
like comp.lang.c

>
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>
>
>

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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 13:55 UTC

In article <ufqmqd$1vve7$9@dont-email.me>,
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>On 10/6/23 19:55, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <d78a803bb42cae27c3cad8f3e7b993d4$1@sybershock.com>,
>> Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:16:29 +0100
>>> Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If a GG user manages to find a technical group that hasn't been
>>>> flooded with spam, then they'd wonder why an otherwise active group
>>>> is completely ignoring them. I don't think whitelisting would be
>>>> fair.
>>>
>>> Google groups users are the modern version of the September AOL users.
>>>
>>
>> Exactly!
>>
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>>> __|__|__|__ https://sybershock.com
>>> __|__|__|__ news://alt.sources.crypto
>>> | | | #CipherTag #WaffleTag #Cryptologer
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Ironic the server called "eternal september" didn't emulate the
>september user base

Ray Banana is a good man unlike Google!

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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 13:55 UTC

In article <ufqnc5$26alr$1@dont-email.me>,
Chris M. Thomasson <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 10/6/2023 8:44 PM, Syber Shock wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:59:44 -0700
>> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Nobody tells Google what to do.
>>
>> Be careful not to poke the bear. The purple-haired Google vegan
>> skinny-jeans mafia might come after you.
>>
>> They might shell your house with yogurt and tofu and lettuce greens and
>> other weapons of rabbit destruction.
>>
>
>Little s*ts! Humm...

Treat Google Groups like you do Google+ .
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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 13:58 UTC

In article <652125cb$1@news.ausics.net>, noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
>On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 17:59:44 -0700, Retro Guy wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 00:55:43 -0000 (UTC)
>> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <2f5fff571adf1caea9290b4ad916ef8d$1@sybershock.com>,
>>> Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
>>> >On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:16:29 +0100 Richard Harnden
>>> ><richard.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> >> We need a whitelisting solution, at the federation level.
>>> >>
>>> >> If a GG user manages to find a technical group that hasn't been
>>> >> flooded with spam, then they'd wonder why an otherwise active group
>>> >> is completely ignoring them. I don't think whitelisting would be
>>> >> fair.
>>> >
>>> >It is not our job to worry about Google's users.
>>> >
>>> >It is Google's job to worry about their users.
>>> >
>>> >The mother hen mentality fixes nothing.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> But their abusers are making groups unreadable.
>>
>> There are efforts by some admins to resolve this. Many groups are now
>> quite usable as admins are tackling and conquering the spam.
>>
>> It should need to be this way, but it is what it is. Nobody tells Google
>> what to do.
>
>
>pfft google thought they were too big not be dnsbl listed, nor that any
>network would dare block all gmail for periods of time to send them a
>message, google were wrong, both counts.
>

Gmail and Google Groups are high abuse

!!

1)

https://groups.google.com/search/conversations?q=Depeer%20Google%20Groups

2)

https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

And do not get me started about M$ .
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Re: UDP Google GRoups

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From: doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.software.nntp,comp.lang.c,comp.mail.sendmail,news.admin.peering
Subject: Re: UDP Google GRoups
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2023 14:00:16 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: NetKnow News
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Originator: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
 by: The Doctor - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 14:00 UTC

In article <87lecevisq.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>,
Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
>> In article <87y1gfvf7i.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>,
>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
>>>> In article <1bwmvzg50w.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net>,
>>>> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> Yes, it worked, Google just deleted the newsgroup :
>>>>>>
>>>>>http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cfc5652a3-1c35-4b43-8f8d-1527e4257ac2n%40googlegroups.com%3E
>>>>>
>>>>>No, that was a comment from a user during the Thaidal wave referring to
>>>>>the s/n ratio having gotten so bad the group had become
>>>>>useless. Checking... the group is still there.
>>>>>
>>>>>https://groups.google.com/g/comp.arch
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Depeer Google groups now! Enough with the anaccountability!
>>>
>>>What exactly woold that do? Would articles posted elsewhere (say, via
>>>eternal-september) no longer appear on the Google Groups web interface?
>>>
>>>I'm not pleased with GG as a Usenet interface, but it's still a decent
>>>archive. I wouldn't want to lose that.
>>
>> The archive is already lost due to high spamtrollers!
>
>I presume you know the answer to my question and that the answer is yes:
>depeering Google Groups would prevent all newly posted articles from
>being added to the GG archive.

There is another site doing this.

I just need to recall who it is.

>
>I oppose doing that. I suspect the recent wave of Thai spam will be
>temporary, and it's still possible that Google may deal with it.
>

And now they added comp.mail.sendmail .

>Furthermore, since it's something only Usenet server administrators can
>do, and has nothing to do with C, I request that this discussion be
>taken out of comp.lang.c, where it is off topic. (We've already had a
>necessary discussion of how individual users can filter out the recent
>spam.)
>
>I'm redirecting followups to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet; feel free to
>cross-post to news.software.nntp if it's really topical there.
>
>I mean, the whole point is that we don't want off-topic posts, right?
>

These are on tpoic to the groups that are getting spamtroll flooded!

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>Will write code for food.
>void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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