In Dec my 10 years old machine went tits up,

My new machine has 2 more CPUs, each running 2× faster 4× as
much main memory..........

Yet the hand eye coordination with the mouse is much worse !!
{It is the same mouse (not a copy) the same mouse, and it is
wired to a USB port 2.0 in the old machine 3.0 in this one. Wireless
mice have always had poor hand eye coordination IMHO}

Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 11:29:05 AM UTC-7, MitchAlsup wrote:

> Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?

Allegedly, Windows 11 was supposed to offer improved performance,
because it would concentrate more on foreground tasks.

From bitter experience, however, most Windows users anticipate
each release to be more bloated and slower than the last. It appears
that this experience is once again confirmed in this instance.

But surely you didn't need me to tell you the obvious.

John Savard

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 3:00:24 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 11:29:05 AM UTC-7, MitchAlsup wrote:
>
> > Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?
> Allegedly, Windows 11 was supposed to offer improved performance,
> because it would concentrate more on foreground tasks.
>
> From bitter experience, however, most Windows users anticipate
> each release to be more bloated and slower than the last. It appears
> that this experience is once again confirmed in this instance.
>
> But surely you didn't need me to tell you the obvious.
<
One would simply think that hand eye coordination with the mouse was "a
BIG part of the "user experience"
>
> John Savard

MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> writes:

> In Dec my 10 years old machine went tits up,
>
> My new machine has 2 more CPUs, each running 2× faster 4× as
> much main memory..........
>
> Yet the hand eye coordination with the mouse is much worse !!
> {It is the same mouse (not a copy) the same mouse, and it is
> wired to a USB port 2.0 in the old machine 3.0 in this one. Wireless
> mice have always had poor hand eye coordination IMHO}
>
> Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?

I believe Windows recently changed the way mouse acceleration works.
Try turning off "enhance pointer precision".

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 4:21:09 PM UTC-6, Josh Vanderhoof wrote:
> MitchAlsup <Mitch...@aol.com> writes:
>
> > In Dec my 10 years old machine went tits up,
> >
> > My new machine has 2 more CPUs, each running 2× faster 4× as
> > much main memory..........
> >
> > Yet the hand eye coordination with the mouse is much worse !!
> > {It is the same mouse (not a copy) the same mouse, and it is
> > wired to a USB port 2.0 in the old machine 3.0 in this one. Wireless
> > mice have always had poor hand eye coordination IMHO}
> >
> > Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?
> I believe Windows recently changed the way mouse acceleration works.
> Try turning off "enhance pointer precision".
<
It is already off.

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 4:21:09 PM UTC-6, Josh Vanderhoof wrote:
> MitchAlsup <Mitch...@aol.com> writes:
>
> > In Dec my 10 years old machine went tits up,
> >
> > My new machine has 2 more CPUs, each running 2× faster 4× as
> > much main memory..........
> >
> > Yet the hand eye coordination with the mouse is much worse !!
> > {It is the same mouse (not a copy) the same mouse, and it is
> > wired to a USB port 2.0 in the old machine 3.0 in this one. Wireless
> > mice have always had poor hand eye coordination IMHO}
> >
> > Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?
> I believe Windows recently changed the way mouse acceleration works.
> Try turning off "enhance pointer precision".
<
Not only was it already off,
it is demonstrably worse with it on.

On 2/10/2022 10:29 AM, MitchAlsup wrote:
> In Dec my 10 years old machine went tits up,
>
> My new machine has 2 more CPUs, each running 2× faster 4× as
> much main memory..........
>
> Yet the hand eye coordination with the mouse is much worse !!
> {It is the same mouse (not a copy) the same mouse, and it is
> wired to a USB port 2.0 in the old machine 3.0 in this one. Wireless
> mice have always had poor hand eye coordination IMHO}
>
> Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?

Did you check at the mouse manufacturer's web site to see if there is an
updated driver? If the mouse is as old as the system, any driver they
had may be obsolete, and the generic mouse driver may not be adequate.
In that case, you may need to purchase a more "current" mouse.

--
- Stephen Fuld
(e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:35:20 PM UTC-6, Stephen Fuld wrote:
> On 2/10/2022 10:29 AM, MitchAlsup wrote:
> > In Dec my 10 years old machine went tits up,
> >
> > My new machine has 2 more CPUs, each running 2× faster 4× as
> > much main memory..........
> >
> > Yet the hand eye coordination with the mouse is much worse !!
> > {It is the same mouse (not a copy) the same mouse, and it is
> > wired to a USB port 2.0 in the old machine 3.0 in this one. Wireless
> > mice have always had poor hand eye coordination IMHO}
> >
> > Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?
<
> Did you check at the mouse manufacturer's web site to see if there is an
> updated driver? If the mouse is as old as the system, any driver they
> had may be obsolete, and the generic mouse driver may not be adequate.
> In that case, you may need to purchase a more "current" mouse.
<
During the life of the last system, I literally wore out 3 mice before buying
a Logitech Hero mouse ~Sept 2021 (about $50) 2 months before death.
<
The lack of H<->E coordination looks like a crap load of interrupts of
VMexits are taking place between interrupt arrival and mouse pointer
movement on screen. The CPUs (all 12 of them) are operating under 1%
utilization, Disks are operating under 1% utilization, network traffic is only
a few KB/second:: literally the system is essentially Idle. Main memory
has 64GB 75% free will all applications loaded.

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-6, MitchAlsup wrote:
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:35:20 PM UTC-6, Stephen Fuld wrote:
> > On 2/10/2022 10:29 AM, MitchAlsup wrote:
> > > In Dec my 10 years old machine went tits up,
> > >
> > > My new machine has 2 more CPUs, each running 2× faster 4× as
> > > much main memory..........
> > >
> > > Yet the hand eye coordination with the mouse is much worse !!
> > > {It is the same mouse (not a copy) the same mouse, and it is
> > > wired to a USB port 2.0 in the old machine 3.0 in this one. Wireless
> > > mice have always had poor hand eye coordination IMHO}
> > >
> > > Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?
> <
> > Did you check at the mouse manufacturer's web site to see if there is an
> > updated driver? If the mouse is as old as the system, any driver they
> > had may be obsolete, and the generic mouse driver may not be adequate.
> > In that case, you may need to purchase a more "current" mouse.
> <
> During the life of the last system, I literally wore out 3 mice before buying
> a Logitech Hero mouse ~Sept 2021 (about $50) 2 months before death.
> <
> The lack of H<->E coordination looks like a crap load of interrupts of
> VMexits are taking place between interrupt arrival and mouse pointer
> movement on screen. The CPUs (all 12 of them) are operating under 1%
> utilization, Disks are operating under 1% utilization, network traffic is only
> a few KB/second:: literally the system is essentially Idle. Main memory
> has 64GB 75% free will all applications loaded.
<
<
<
I found it.
<
Internet Browser is downloading enough advertisements to screw around
with mouse H<->E coordination.
<

On 2/10/2022 6:49 PM, MitchAlsup wrote:
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-6, MitchAlsup wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:35:20 PM UTC-6, Stephen Fuld wrote:
>>> On 2/10/2022 10:29 AM, MitchAlsup wrote:
>>>> In Dec my 10 years old machine went tits up,
>>>>
>>>> My new machine has 2 more CPUs, each running 2× faster 4× as
>>>> much main memory..........
>>>>
>>>> Yet the hand eye coordination with the mouse is much worse !!
>>>> {It is the same mouse (not a copy) the same mouse, and it is
>>>> wired to a USB port 2.0 in the old machine 3.0 in this one. Wireless
>>>> mice have always had poor hand eye coordination IMHO}
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?
>> <
>>> Did you check at the mouse manufacturer's web site to see if there is an
>>> updated driver? If the mouse is as old as the system, any driver they
>>> had may be obsolete, and the generic mouse driver may not be adequate.
>>> In that case, you may need to purchase a more "current" mouse.
>> <
>> During the life of the last system, I literally wore out 3 mice before buying
>> a Logitech Hero mouse ~Sept 2021 (about $50) 2 months before death.
>> <
>> The lack of H<->E coordination looks like a crap load of interrupts of
>> VMexits are taking place between interrupt arrival and mouse pointer
>> movement on screen. The CPUs (all 12 of them) are operating under 1%
>> utilization, Disks are operating under 1% utilization, network traffic is only
>> a few KB/second:: literally the system is essentially Idle. Main memory
>> has 64GB 75% free will all applications loaded.
> <
> <
> <
> I found it.
> <
> Internet Browser is downloading enough advertisements to screw around
> with mouse H<->E coordination.

WOW!!! Greatly reducing, and even pretty much eliminating advertising
downloads is pretty easy. Depending upon which browser you use, There
are several options and ad blocker extensions available.

--
- Stephen Fuld
(e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)

MitchAlsup wrote:
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 4:21:09 PM UTC-6, Josh Vanderhoof wrote:
>> MitchAlsup <Mitch...@aol.com> writes:
>>
>>> In Dec my 10 years old machine went tits up,
>>>
>>> My new machine has 2 more CPUs, each running 2× faster 4× as
>>> much main memory..........
>>>
>>> Yet the hand eye coordination with the mouse is much worse !!
>>> {It is the same mouse (not a copy) the same mouse, and it is
>>> wired to a USB port 2.0 in the old machine 3.0 in this one. Wireless
>>> mice have always had poor hand eye coordination IMHO}
>>>
>>> Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?
>> I believe Windows recently changed the way mouse acceleration works.
>> Try turning off "enhance pointer precision".
> <
> Not only was it already off,
> it is demonstrably worse with it on.
>
I got W11 on my main machine last fall, I use both wireless (in the
office) and wired mice on it, and I have never noticed any mouse lag,
i.e. it _feels_ like single-digit ms response time with the mouse cursor
directly wired to my hand motions.

Terje

--
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

MitchAlsup wrote:
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:35:20 PM UTC-6, Stephen Fuld wrote:
>> On 2/10/2022 10:29 AM, MitchAlsup wrote:
>>> In Dec my 10 years old machine went tits up,
>>>
>>> My new machine has 2 more CPUs, each running 2× faster 4× as
>>> much main memory..........
>>>
>>> Yet the hand eye coordination with the mouse is much worse !!
>>> {It is the same mouse (not a copy) the same mouse, and it is
>>> wired to a USB port 2.0 in the old machine 3.0 in this one. Wireless
>>> mice have always had poor hand eye coordination IMHO}
>>>
>>> Anyone have a glimmer of what is going one ?
> <
>> Did you check at the mouse manufacturer's web site to see if there is an
>> updated driver? If the mouse is as old as the system, any driver they
>> had may be obsolete, and the generic mouse driver may not be adequate.
>> In that case, you may need to purchase a more "current" mouse.
> <
> During the life of the last system, I literally wore out 3 mice before buying
> a Logitech Hero mouse ~Sept 2021 (about $50) 2 months before death.
> <
> The lack of H<->E coordination looks like a crap load of interrupts of
> VMexits are taking place between interrupt arrival and mouse pointer
> movement on screen. The CPUs (all 12 of them) are operating under 1%
> utilization, Disks are operating under 1% utilization, network traffic is only
> a few KB/second:: literally the system is essentially Idle. Main memory
> has 64GB 75% free will all applications loaded.
>
Strange...

I have a ~10(+?) year old Logitech optical (wired) mouse here in our
mountain cabin, the cabin was put up in 2006 and the mouse could be
almost as old. It behaves perfectly on my similarly idle Dell 5550.

Terje

--
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:50:01 PM UTC-7, MitchAlsup wrote:

> I found it.
> <
> Internet Browser is downloading enough advertisements to screw around
> with mouse H<->E coordination.
> <

It's good that you found it. I see someone mentiioned an ad blocker.

That's all very well, but what I have to ask is: why would a browser window
be open on a site with a lot of ads while you were trying to do anything? Surely
the only time such a window should ever be open - is while you're actually
looking at the site with the ads on it.

John Savard

MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:
> I found it.
>
> Internet Browser is downloading enough advertisements to screw around
> with mouse H<->E coordination.

Seems odd. Did you check GPU utilization? Some ad might have been mining
crypto on your GPU using recent WebGL/WebGPU nonsense. The rest of the
machine could be otherwise idle as described.

I'm using Edge (Chrome without Google basically) and it's great at
putting tabs to sleep that I haven't used in a bit. But I have had no
mouse issues with 11 at all.

And the WSL2 experience in 11 is really nice. Admin console,
wsl --install, reboot, and you have Ubuntu running buttery smooth
alongside Windows. Runs Linux GUI apps out of the box now, and while the
GUI UI performance is a bit stuttery compared to native (the pixels are
likely taking a roundabout path to the screen) and OpenGL performance is
pretty bad, everything seems to work and I can even do GPU rendering in
Blender and get native GPU performance in WSL, again out of the box
without installing CUDA or anything else. Neat.

Z.

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:00:34 AM UTC-6, zo...@tilde.club wrote:
> MitchAlsup <Mitch...@aol.com> wrote:
> > I found it.
> >
> > Internet Browser is downloading enough advertisements to screw around
> > with mouse H<->E coordination.
> Seems odd. Did you check GPU utilization? Some ad might have been mining
> crypto on your GPU using recent WebGL/WebGPU nonsense. The rest of the
> machine could be otherwise idle as described.
<
I don't know, but I suspect an integrated GPU--I don't need any 3-D and
even my 2-D requirements would be met by a 1 CPU running at 1 GHz
system. My previous machine has a plug in GPU (I still have the card)
and I may do this later, but that card does not support 4K displays
and I am looking to get one.
>
> I'm using Edge (Chrome without Google basically) and it's great at
> putting tabs to sleep that I haven't used in a bit. But I have had no
> mouse issues with 11 at all.
<
The browser is Edge. I can find an adblocker for edge that does not require
paying for it. I did try several, and they work well, but only for a week or 2 at
a time.
<
In any event, I can simply "×" Edge when not "on" the net.
>
> And the WSL2 experience in 11 is really nice. Admin console,
> wsl --install, reboot, and you have Ubuntu running buttery smooth
> alongside Windows. Runs Linux GUI apps out of the box now, and while the
> GUI UI performance is a bit stuttery compared to native (the pixels are
> likely taking a roundabout path to the screen) and OpenGL performance is
> pretty bad, everything seems to work and I can even do GPU rendering in
> Blender and get native GPU performance in WSL, again out of the box
> without installing CUDA or anything else. Neat.
>
> Z.

"MitchAlsup" wrote in message
news:de565725-9ae8-4027-8cb4-2052844d0af1n@googlegroups.com...

> My previous machine has a plug in GPU (I still have the card)
> and I may do this later, but that card does not support 4K displays
> and I am looking to get one.

Wait... are you saying that you aren't using a 4K display!?

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 12:18:07 PM UTC-6, James Van Buskirk wrote:
> "MitchAlsup" wrote in message
> news:de565725-9ae8-4027...@googlegroups.com...
> > My previous machine has a plug in GPU (I still have the card)
> > and I may do this later, but that card does not support 4K displays
> > and I am looking to get one.
> Wait... are you saying that you aren't using a 4K display!?
<
I oscillate between spend-thrift and throwing money around.
<
Have not found the need for 4K (TV or monitors) and typically use a
single monitor for 2-decades, each. The only reason I got rid of my
last monitor was that it put 600W of heat into the room and the A/C
was not capable of blowing enough air. That monitor had the best color
rendition (photo editing) and gamma of anything I have ever seem. it
just presented totally lifelike colors.

"MitchAlsup" wrote in message
news:e9c3a757-e9fe-4e98-ad56-530edadf13ebn@googlegroups.com...

> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 12:18:07 PM UTC-6, James Van Buskirk
> wrote:

> > Wait... are you saying that you aren't using a 4K display!?

> I oscillate between spend-thrift and throwing money around.

> Have not found the need for 4K (TV or monitors) and typically use a
> single monitor for 2-decades, each. The only reason I got rid of my
> last monitor was that it put 600W of heat into the room and the A/C
> was not capable of blowing enough air. That monitor had the best color
> rendition (photo editing) and gamma of anything I have ever seem. it
> just presented totally lifelike colors.

I got a 50" 4K TV in 2014 and at that time there was not much 4K content
available. There is quite a lot today as some YouTube channels are 4K
and music videos, MMDs, and fan cams are as well. But more important
than that for me is simply the size of TV you can get nowadays and this
means you have a different posture at the computer because you don't
have to lean forward and squint.
You are one of the most respected posters on USENET and it's just
shocking that you don't treat yourself to the best of everything.

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 12:48:49 PM UTC-6, James Van Buskirk wrote:
> "MitchAlsup" wrote in message
> news:e9c3a757-e9fe-4e98...@googlegroups.com...
> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 12:18:07 PM UTC-6, James Van Buskirk
> > wrote:
>
> > > Wait... are you saying that you aren't using a 4K display!?
>
> > I oscillate between spend-thrift and throwing money around.
>
> > Have not found the need for 4K (TV or monitors) and typically use a
> > single monitor for 2-decades, each. The only reason I got rid of my
> > last monitor was that it put 600W of heat into the room and the A/C
> > was not capable of blowing enough air. That monitor had the best color
> > rendition (photo editing) and gamma of anything I have ever seem. it
> > just presented totally lifelike colors.
> I got a 50" 4K TV in 2014 and at that time there was not much 4K content
> available. There is quite a lot today as some YouTube channels are 4K
> and music videos, MMDs, and fan cams are as well. But more important
> than that for me is simply the size of TV you can get nowadays and this
> means you have a different posture at the computer because you don't
> have to lean forward and squint.
<
> You are one of the most respected posters on USENET and it's just
> shocking that you don't treat yourself to the best of everything.
<
I got over the need to have the best of everything.
For most stuff, good enough is good enough.

MitchAlsup wrote:
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 12:18:07 PM UTC-6, James Van Buskirk wrote:
>> "MitchAlsup" wrote in message
>> news:de565725-9ae8-4027...@googlegroups.com...
>>> My previous machine has a plug in GPU (I still have the card)
>>> and I may do this later, but that card does not support 4K displays
>>> and I am looking to get one.
>> Wait... are you saying that you aren't using a 4K display!?
> <
> I oscillate between spend-thrift and throwing money around.
> <
> Have not found the need for 4K (TV or monitors) and typically use a
> single monitor for 2-decades, each. The only reason I got rid of my
> last monitor was that it put 600W of heat into the room and the A/C
> was not capable of blowing enough air. That monitor had the best color
> rendition (photo editing) and gamma of anything I have ever seem. it
> just presented totally lifelike colors.
>
I have seen CRT monitors like that, but I call BS on that 600W
continuous power requirement.

If true, that monitor would burn ~15 kWh/day or nearly 5000 kWh per
year. This is well into supercomputer territory. :-)

Terje

--
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:
> I got over the need to have the best of everything.
> For most stuff, good enough is good enough.

I find it's worth it for the interfaces between your body and reality.
This includes monitors, keyboards, chairs, mattresses, etc. Life is too
short to be uncomfortable or squint at a crappy display.

Z.

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-6, Terje Mathisen wrote:
> MitchAlsup wrote:
> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 12:18:07 PM UTC-6, James Van Buskirk wrote:
> >> "MitchAlsup" wrote in message
> >> news:de565725-9ae8-4027...@googlegroups.com...
> >>> My previous machine has a plug in GPU (I still have the card)
> >>> and I may do this later, but that card does not support 4K displays
> >>> and I am looking to get one.
> >> Wait... are you saying that you aren't using a 4K display!?
> > <
> > I oscillate between spend-thrift and throwing money around.
> > <
> > Have not found the need for 4K (TV or monitors) and typically use a
> > single monitor for 2-decades, each. The only reason I got rid of my
> > last monitor was that it put 600W of heat into the room and the A/C
> > was not capable of blowing enough air. That monitor had the best color
> > rendition (photo editing) and gamma of anything I have ever seem. it
> > just presented totally lifelike colors.
> >
> I have seen CRT monitors like that, but I call BS on that 600W
> continuous power requirement.
<
Bought in 1996 as one of the first CRTs with 1080p screen resolution and
125 MHz scan rate. Placard on the side of the housing is said 600W.
Whether this was continuous or peak I don't know. Labeled Ross probably
the same as the Toshiba model you could buy with a different placard.
What I do know is it would overheat my office in the dead of winter. I had
to run fans from the hallway blowing cooler air in a the bottom of the door
allowing hot air to flow out at the top.
>
> If true, that monitor would burn ~15 kWh/day or nearly 5000 kWh per
> year. This is well into supercomputer territory. :-)
> Terje
>
> --
> - <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
> "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

MitchAlsup wrote:
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-6, Terje Mathisen wrote:
>> MitchAlsup wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 12:18:07 PM UTC-6, James Van Buskirk wrote:
>>>> "MitchAlsup" wrote in message
>>>> news:de565725-9ae8-4027...@googlegroups.com...
>>>>> My previous machine has a plug in GPU (I still have the card)
>>>>> and I may do this later, but that card does not support 4K displays
>>>>> and I am looking to get one.
>>>> Wait... are you saying that you aren't using a 4K display!?
>>> <
>>> I oscillate between spend-thrift and throwing money around.
>>> <
>>> Have not found the need for 4K (TV or monitors) and typically use a
>>> single monitor for 2-decades, each. The only reason I got rid of my
>>> last monitor was that it put 600W of heat into the room and the A/C
>>> was not capable of blowing enough air. That monitor had the best color
>>> rendition (photo editing) and gamma of anything I have ever seem. it
>>> just presented totally lifelike colors.
>>>
>> I have seen CRT monitors like that, but I call BS on that 600W
>> continuous power requirement.
> <
> Bought in 1996 as one of the first CRTs with 1080p screen resolution and
> 125 MHz scan rate. Placard on the side of the housing is said 600W.
> Whether this was continuous or peak I don't know. Labeled Ross probably
> the same as the Toshiba model you could buy with a different placard.
> What I do know is it would overheat my office in the dead of winter. I had
> to run fans from the hallway blowing cooler air in a the bottom of the door
> allowing hot air to flow out at the top.

Even if the 600W must have been peak, running 100-200W through the
desktop machine would make for a solid space heater.

In summer the cost of AC must have made the monitor extremely expensive.

Terje
>>
>> If true, that monitor would burn ~15 kWh/day or nearly 5000 kWh per
>> year. This is well into supercomputer territory. :-)
>> Terje
>>
>> --
>> - <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
>> "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

--
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 7:43:32 AM UTC-6, Terje Mathisen wrote:
> MitchAlsup wrote:
> > On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-6, Terje Mathisen wrote:
> >> MitchAlsup wrote:
> >>> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 12:18:07 PM UTC-6, James Van Buskirk wrote:
> >>>> "MitchAlsup" wrote in message
> >>>> news:de565725-9ae8-4027...@googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> My previous machine has a plug in GPU (I still have the card)
> >>>>> and I may do this later, but that card does not support 4K displays
> >>>>> and I am looking to get one.
> >>>> Wait... are you saying that you aren't using a 4K display!?
> >>> <
> >>> I oscillate between spend-thrift and throwing money around.
> >>> <
> >>> Have not found the need for 4K (TV or monitors) and typically use a
> >>> single monitor for 2-decades, each. The only reason I got rid of my
> >>> last monitor was that it put 600W of heat into the room and the A/C
> >>> was not capable of blowing enough air. That monitor had the best color
> >>> rendition (photo editing) and gamma of anything I have ever seem. it
> >>> just presented totally lifelike colors.
> >>>
> >> I have seen CRT monitors like that, but I call BS on that 600W
> >> continuous power requirement.
> > <
> > Bought in 1996 as one of the first CRTs with 1080p screen resolution and
> > 125 MHz scan rate. Placard on the side of the housing is said 600W.
> > Whether this was continuous or peak I don't know. Labeled Ross probably
> > the same as the Toshiba model you could buy with a different placard.
> > What I do know is it would overheat my office in the dead of winter. I had
> > to run fans from the hallway blowing cooler air in a the bottom of the door
> > allowing hot air to flow out at the top.
> Even if the 600W must have been peak, running 100-200W through the
> desktop machine would make for a solid space heater.
>
> In summer the cost of AC must have made the monitor extremely expensive.
<
I was/am the income category where this was not even a rounding error
on monthly bills.
>
> Terje
> >>
> >> If true, that monitor would burn ~15 kWh/day or nearly 5000 kWh per
> >> year. This is well into supercomputer territory. :-)
> >> Terje
> >>
> >> --
> >> - <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
> >> "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"
>
>
> --
> - <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
> "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:48:49 PM UTC+2, James Van Buskirk wrote:
> You are one of the most respected posters on USENET and it's just
> shocking that you don't treat yourself to the best of everything.

The best TV is no TV.
Got rid of mine a couple of years ago.