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Rapid Security Responses for iOS 16.5.1 and iPadOS 16.5.1

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 by: Ant - Mon, 10 Jul 2023 19:45 UTC

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213823
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Re: Rapid Security Responses for iOS 16.5.1 and iPadOS 16.5.1

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 by: Wally J - Mon, 10 Jul 2023 20:32 UTC

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213823

What's good about the RSR is that it's brand new to Apple operating systems
(even though it's what Android has been doing since around Android 10).

It allows Apple to finally update a security hole in iOS 16 (only!) without
having to spend months of wasted time letting the hackers exploit the hole.

As a result of this new-to-Apple RSR capability (which every other
operating system already used, except iOS), iOS should go from being ten
times more exploited than Android - over time - to just two or three times.

The reason iOS will never be anywhere near as secure as Android is webkit.
WebKit is a fundamental component of the highly insecure walled garden.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213823
iOS 16.5.1 (a) and iPadOS 16.5.1 (a) due to severe flaws in Apple WebKit.
Released July 10, 2023 only for iOS 16.5.1 and iPadOS 16.5.1

Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution.
(For those who don't know - this means every iPhone is fucked.)

Apple is aware this issue may have been actively exploited.
(For those who don't know - this means it's long ago already exploited.)

Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
(For those who don't know - this means Apple's coding skills suck.)

CVE-2023-37450: an anonymous researcher
(For those who don't know - this means Apple never finds iOS bugs.)

If you're on any other operating system other than iOS 16, you're fucked.
The only operating system less secure than Apple's OS's are Micsrosofts.

Specifically, *Android is _ten times LESS EXPLOITED_ than iOS* is.
https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Tue, 11 Jul 2023 05:43 UTC

Am 10.07.23 um 21:45 schrieb Ant:
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213823

Embarrassing!

According to reports on the MacRumors forums, Facebook, Instagram,
WhatsApp, Zoom, and other websites started giving a warning about not
being supported on the Safari browser following the Rapid Security
Response updates.

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/07/10/apple-pulls-ios-16-5-1-macos-13-4-1-rsrs/

Minimal testing can be expected before releasing.

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Re: Rapid Security Responses for iOS 16.5.1 and iPadOS 16.5.1

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On Jul 10, 2023 at 1:32:56 PM PDT, "Wally J" <walterjones@invalid.nospam>
wrote:

> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote
>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213823
>
> What's good about the RSR is that it's brand new to Apple operating systems
> (even though it's what Android has been doing since around Android 10).
>
> It allows Apple to finally update a security hole in iOS 16 (only!) without
> having to spend months of wasted time letting the hackers exploit the hole.
>
> As a result of this new-to-Apple RSR capability (which every other
> operating system already used, except iOS), iOS should go from being ten
> times more exploited than Android - over time - to just two or three times.
>
> The reason iOS will never be anywhere near as secure as Android is webkit.
> WebKit is a fundamental component of the highly insecure walled garden.
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213823
> iOS 16.5.1 (a) and iPadOS 16.5.1 (a) due to severe flaws in Apple WebKit.
> Released July 10, 2023 only for iOS 16.5.1 and iPadOS 16.5.1
>
> Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution.
> (For those who don't know - this means every iPhone is fucked.)
>
> Apple is aware this issue may have been actively exploited.
> (For those who don't know - this means it's long ago already exploited.)
>
> Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
> (For those who don't know - this means Apple's coding skills suck.)
>
> CVE-2023-37450: an anonymous researcher
> (For those who don't know - this means Apple never finds iOS bugs.)
>
> If you're on any other operating system other than iOS 16, you're fucked.
> The only operating system less secure than Apple's OS's are Micsrosofts.
>
> Specifically, *Android is _ten times LESS EXPLOITED_ than iOS* is.
> https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog
>
>

It is a great idea, so let's talk about how Android is the second coming of
Jesus!

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 by: badgolferman - Tue, 11 Jul 2023 18:23 UTC

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote
>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213823
>
> What's good about the RSR is that it's brand new to Apple operating systems
> (even though it's what Android has been doing since around Android 10).
>
> It allows Apple to finally update a security hole in iOS 16 (only!) without
> having to spend months of wasted time letting the hackers exploit the hole.
>
> As a result of this new-to-Apple RSR capability (which every other
> operating system already used, except iOS), iOS should go from being ten
> times more exploited than Android - over time - to just two or three times.
>
> The reason iOS will never be anywhere near as secure as Android is webkit.
> WebKit is a fundamental component of the highly insecure walled garden.
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213823
> iOS 16.5.1 (a) and iPadOS 16.5.1 (a) due to severe flaws in Apple WebKit.
> Released July 10, 2023 only for iOS 16.5.1 and iPadOS 16.5.1
>
> Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution.
> (For those who don't know - this means every iPhone is fucked.)
>
> Apple is aware this issue may have been actively exploited.
> (For those who don't know - this means it's long ago already exploited.)
>
> Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
> (For those who don't know - this means Apple's coding skills suck.)
>
> CVE-2023-37450: an anonymous researcher
> (For those who don't know - this means Apple never finds iOS bugs.)
>
> If you're on any other operating system other than iOS 16, you're fucked.
> The only operating system less secure than Apple's OS's are Micsrosofts.
>
> Specifically, *Android is _ten times LESS EXPLOITED_ than iOS* is.
> https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog
>
>
>

https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/07/apple-releases-quickly-pulls-rapid-security-response-update-for-0-day-webkit-bug/

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 by: Wally J - Wed, 12 Jul 2023 00:29 UTC

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote

>> If you're on any other operating system other than iOS 16, you're fucked.
>> The only operating system less secure than Apple's OS's are Micsrosofts.
>>
>> Specifically, *Android is _ten times LESS EXPLOITED_ than iOS* is.
>> https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog
>>
>
> It is a great idea, so let's talk about how Android is the second coming of
> Jesus!

Please don't ascribe religion to realism.

The religious zealots know nothing about the iPhone in the real world.
https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

Alan Browne. Jolly Roger. Joerg Lorenze. Bob Campbell. nospam.
None of them knows anything at all about the iPhone in the real world.

All they read are the very pretty nicely written marketing white papers.
In Apple's white papers, a zero-click zero-day exploit is impossible.

Yet in the real world *iPhones are exploited _10 times more_ than Android.*

Android has more malware (which is avoided by not installing dodgy apps).
The iPhone has ten times as many huge wide-open EXPLOITED security holes.

That's reality.
Not religion.

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 by: Wally J - Wed, 12 Jul 2023 00:36 UTC

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote

> Embarrassing!
>
> According to reports on the MacRumors forums, Facebook, Instagram,
> WhatsApp, Zoom, and other websites started giving a warning about not
> being supported on the Safari browser following the Rapid Security
> Response updates.
>
> https://www.macrumors.com/2023/07/10/apple-pulls-ios-16-5-1-macos-13-4-1-rsrs/
>
> Minimal testing can be expected before releasing.

What people who are intelligent have to first consider is that up until iOS
16 Apple took on average three to six months to fix a single zero-day bug.

No other common operating system was as inefficient as the iOS release was.

During that huge time period (which only Apple incurs because only Apple
fixed bugs by releasing an entire new release stream), exploits happened.

Which is why *the iPhone is exploited _ten times more* than is Android*
https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

In light of the fact the iPhone is exploited _because_ Apple's horribly
inefficient release mechanism allowed those exploits to occur, I, for one,
applaud Apple in adding to iOS 16 the capability to patch a single bug.

Just like every other platform except Apple platforms has done for years.

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 by: Wally J - Wed, 12 Jul 2023 00:38 UTC

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote

> Embarrassing!
>
> According to reports on the MacRumors forums, Facebook, Instagram,
> WhatsApp, Zoom, and other websites started giving a warning about not
> being supported on the Safari browser following the Rapid Security
> Response updates.
>
> https://www.macrumors.com/2023/07/10/apple-pulls-ios-16-5-1-macos-13-4-1-rsrs/
>
> Minimal testing can be expected before releasing.

What people who are intelligent have to first consider is that up until iOS
16 Apple took on average three to six months to fix a single zero-day bug.

No other common operating system was as inefficient as the iOS release was.

During that huge time period (which only Apple incurs because only Apple
fixed bugs by releasing an entire new release stream), exploits happened.

Which is why *the iPhone is exploited _ten times more* than is Android*
https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

In light of the fact the iPhone is exploited _because_ Apple's horribly
inefficient release mechanism allowed those exploits to occur, I, for one,
applaud Apple in adding to iOS 16 the capability to patch a single bug.

Just like every other platform except Apple platforms has done for years.

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badgolferman wrote:

> https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/07/apple-releases-quickly-pulls-rapid-security-response-update-for-0-day-webkit-bug/

Apple is going through teething pains which every other operating system
when through years ago, since only Apple releases a monolith anymore.

Due to Apple's antiquated error prone release mechanism, they are having
teething flaws, which are to be expected as Apple tries to catch up to the
modern world using a release mechanism that allows for incremental updates.

Apple releases, quickly pulls Rapid Security Response update
for 0-day WebKit bug
Update for iOS 16, macOS Ventura can be uninstalled
if you're having problems.

ANDREW CUNNINGHAM - 7/11/2023, 2:52 PM

Yesterday, Apple published a new Rapid Security Response update for iOS 16,
iPadOS 16, and macOS Ventura to patch yet another actively exploited WebKit
code execution bug. But shortly after installation, users began having
issues accessing certain websites, and Apple has apparently pulled the
update to fix the problem.

According to MacRumors, affected sites include Facebook, Instagram,
WhatsApp, and Zoom, which began showing warning messages about not being
supported following the update.

Luckily for anyone who has installed it, Rapid Security Response updates
can be removed just as quickly as they were installed; on iOS, navigate to
the About page in the Settings app, tap on your iOS version, and then tap
"Remove Security Response."

The benefit of Rapid Security Response updates is that they're small in
size and quick to install (which makes one wonder why is the last operating
system vendor to shed the behemoth of the monolith for incremental
patches). One has to wonder what took Apple so long to get the idea?

The answer is in the two words: Walled Garden

The updates Apple has released so far have required a restart on my
devices, but total downtime was much less than it was for a typical
software update.

This is because Apple has stored many Safari and WebKit components outside
of the main Signed System Volume (SSV), a tamper-proof read-only volume for
most system files that must be mounted separately, patched, and re-sealed
every time most system updates are installed.

Everything about the Apple release mechanism stinks of its walled garden
antiquated design, which is _why_ Apple systems are the most exploited.

The downside of Rapid Security Response updates is that they may not be
tested as thoroughly as some system updates; Apple is currently on its
fifth developer betas of iOS 16.6 and macOS 13.5, and both updates have
been in testing since mid-May. Though you'll typically want to install them
quickly because the bugs they're patching tend to be severe, you may
occasionally run into problems.

The decision you have to make is do you suffer the inevitable teething
pains because Apple never tests their releases - or do you suffer exploits.

WebKit vulnerabilities in iOS tend to be especially severe since any app
that wants to render web content needs to use a webview powered by the
built-in WebKit engine used by Safari.

WebKit is why there can never be real privacy on any iOS or MacOS device.
https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/

This includes third-party browsers like Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, and
Microsoft Edge, which can't use their own native rendering engines on iOS
or iPadOS the way they can on macOS, Windows, or other platforms. Apple has
long maintained that this restriction improves security on the platform.

And yet, not only is WebKit the source of most of Apple's zero-click
zero-day holes, but Apple lied about the security they claim it offers.

Apple announced the Rapid Security Response feature as part of iOS 16 and
macOS Ventura last June but didn't actually start using the feature
publicly until a couple of months ago.

It's good that Apple's antiquated release mechanism is intended to be
upgraded to the same incremental hotfix method that every other operating
system uses - but for Apple - this leap into modern methods is difficult.

When contacted for comment, an Apple spokesperson pointed us to this
support document, which says that new iOS/iPadOS 16.5.1 (b) and macOS
13.4.1 (b) Rapid Security Response updates will be available to resolve the
issues soon.

Let's hope.

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 by: Alan - Wed, 12 Jul 2023 01:20 UTC

On 2023-07-11 17:36, Wally J wrote:
> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote
>
>> Embarrassing!
>>
>> According to reports on the MacRumors forums, Facebook, Instagram,
>> WhatsApp, Zoom, and other websites started giving a warning about not
>> being supported on the Safari browser following the Rapid Security
>> Response updates.
>>
>> https://www.macrumors.com/2023/07/10/apple-pulls-ios-16-5-1-macos-13-4-1-rsrs/
>>
>> Minimal testing can be expected before releasing.
>
> What people who are intelligent have to first consider is that up until iOS
> 16 Apple took on average three to six months to fix a single zero-day bug.

What people who are actually intelligent have to first consider...

....is that you provide no evidence of that claim.

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 by: gtr - Wed, 12 Jul 2023 04:58 UTC

On Jul 11, 2023 at 5:29:53 PM PDT, "Wally J" <walterjones@invalid.nospam>
wrote:

> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote
>
>>> If you're on any other operating system other than iOS 16, you're fucked.
>>> The only operating system less secure than Apple's OS's are Micsrosofts.
>>>
>>> Specifically, *Android is _ten times LESS EXPLOITED_ than iOS* is.
>>> https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog
>>>
>>
>> It is a great idea, so let's talk about how Android is the second coming of
>> Jesus!
>
> Please don't ascribe religion to realism.
>
> The religious zealots know nothing about the iPhone in the real world.
> https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog
>
> Alan Browne. Jolly Roger. Joerg Lorenze. Bob Campbell. nospam.
> None of them knows anything at all about the iPhone in the real world.
>
> All they read are the very pretty nicely written marketing white papers.
> In Apple's white papers, a zero-click zero-day exploit is impossible.
>
> Yet in the real world *iPhones are exploited _10 times more_ than Android.*
>
> Android has more malware (which is avoided by not installing dodgy apps).
> The iPhone has ten times as many huge wide-open EXPLOITED security holes.
>
> That's reality.
> Not religion.

I see.

Android is Jesus! Praise our lord Jesus, unless your are Satan.

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 by: Wally J - Thu, 13 Jul 2023 19:29 UTC

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote

>> That's reality.
>> Not religion.
>
> I see.
>
> Android is Jesus! Praise our lord Jesus, unless your are Satan.

No. You don't understand. Nobody says Android is a religion.
People on Android read the news about how Android works.

It's mainly you iMorons who never read anything about how Apple works.

If someone tells you that Android has been creating hotfix patches since
about Android 10, then that's simply a reality that Android has been
patched for many years via about a half dozen separate patch methods.

It all happens every day, by the billions, under the covers, using the
Google Play Update mechanism which is the default on every Android phone.

What's different with iOS is that Apple has used a highly backward
single-slab monolith walled garden iOS release since the inception of iOS.

That ancient method was how people did operating systems back in the 1950s
and 1960s, but every company abandoned the single slab - except for Apple.

Like Moses and the single slab ten commandments, you Apple iNuts have
hailed that single-slab release as a religious embodiment of Apple's Jesus.

And yet, even Apple had to finally join the modern world by adding to iOS
16 for the first time in Apple's history the ability to patch a single bug.

That's the RSR.

And since Apple has never patched a single bug in their history prior to
iOS 16, it's obvious that Apple is having teething pains joining the modern
world.

That is just what's happening to Apple.
It has nothing to do with Android as much as you'd like to make it so.

Apple is simply copying what every other operating system has always done.
Patch a bug as fast as possible.

Instead of taking three to six months to build & test a single-slab iOS.
This is a good thing, whether or not you iMorons even know how it works.

What's no longer amazing, actually, is how little you iKooks know of Apple.

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[stuff]

A befitting name is Wally

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On Jul 13, 2023 at 3:29:09 PM EDT, "Wally J" <walterjones@invalid.nospam>
wrote:

> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote
>
>>> That's reality.
>>> Not religion.
>>
>> I see.
>>
>> Android is Jesus! Praise our lord Jesus, unless your are Satan.
>
> No. You don't understand. Nobody says Android is a religion.
> People on Android read the news about how Android works.

I say "bull crap". If you believe that, you also believe the tooth fairy and
Santa Clause is real. Most Android users don't know any more or care about how
it works than iPhone users.They buy their devices based on price,
recommendations, and what they perceive what is best, from what they have been
told or read, Most iPhone users are the same. You delude yourself into
thinking that most of the rest of the world is as interested in technology as
the people who post here. I have worked in a mixed environment for 40 years
and I have found most users of technology just want things that work for them,
as trouble free as possible.

YK

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 by: Wally J - Fri, 14 Jul 2023 03:08 UTC

You're Kidding <yk@yahoo.com> wrote

> I say "bull crap". If you believe that, you also believe the tooth fairy and
> Santa Clause is real. Most Android users don't know any more or care about how
> it works than iPhone users.

Two completely different buyer mindsets.

First off, you have to understand that people who buy the iPhone are like
people who buy a fancy car just because they feel it's fancy to others.

They have no other reason for buying the phone except by Apple's ads.
They don't know anything about the phone - they don't care about the phone.

They only care about style.

Nothing wrong with that - but they almost never know anything about it
because they bought it because of an advertisement that it was Red or
Yellow. If you don't believe me, look at how Apple advertises it.

Apple makes a big deal of the color of the phone.
As if that matters.

And it does.
To most Apple buyers.

Otherwise Apple wouldn't be able to charge more for a red iPhone.

That is the typical Apple buyer.
People who buy Android are NOT buying anywhere near that way.

For example, they don't care what colors the phone is, while the color is
the most important thing to Apple owners if you look at Apple ads lately.

> They buy their devices based on price,
> recommendations, and what they perceive what is best, from what they have been
> told or read, Most iPhone users are the same.

Nope. Android owners buy on price performance metrics.
Apple owners do not because Apple iPhones can't meet any common performance
metric when you compare prices.

For example, take the fact that the iPhone can't run thousands upon
thousands upon thousands upon thousands of apps that Android easily runs.

The battery sucks on all iPhones.
Apple can't even figure out how to integrate the modem, which every other
major Android manufacture figured out how to do many years ago already.

Apple is extremely far behind in the performance curve.
And always was.

There's no performance on an iPhone.
Just price.

Completely different kind of buyers.

> You delude yourself into
> thinking that most of the rest of the world is as interested in technology as
> the people who post here.

People who buy the iPhone buy it for the color.
If not the color of the phone case, then the colors of the bubbles.

If you don't believe that, then look at Apple's own advertisements.
They even charge more for a red phone.

And they tell you the biggest thing to happen to the iPhone 14 is yellow.

Nobody on Android buys their phone that way.
It's a completely different type of buyer.

> I have worked in a mixed environment for 40 years
> and I have found most users of technology just want things that work for them,
> as trouble free as possible.

Apple is simply copying what every other operating system has always done.
Patch a bug as fast as possible.

Instead of taking three to six months to build & test a single-slab iOS.
This is a good thing, whether or not you iMorons even know how it works.

What's no longer amazing, actually, is how little you iKooks know of Apple.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 14 Jul 2023 05:48 UTC

On 2023-07-13 20:08, Wally J wrote:
> You're Kidding <yk@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>> I say "bull crap". If you believe that, you also believe the tooth fairy and
>> Santa Clause is real. Most Android users don't know any more or care about how
>> it works than iPhone users.
>
> Two completely different buyer mindsets.
>
> First off, you have to understand that people who buy the iPhone are like
> people who buy a fancy car just because they feel it's fancy to others.

I don't know if my car is "fancy" or not...

(2012 BMW 135i)

....but I like it because of what it DOES...

....not because of anything anyone else feels about it.

Same as my last car: a 1990 Mazda Miata.

>
> They have no other reason for buying the phone except by Apple's ads.
> They don't know anything about the phone - they don't care about the phone.

Most people who buy smartphones know next to nothing about them.

That's AS IT SHOULD BE.

>
> They only care about style.
>
> Nothing wrong with that - but they almost never know anything about it
> because they bought it because of an advertisement that it was Red or
> Yellow. If you don't believe me, look at how Apple advertises it.

Sorry, but that doesn't follow.

>
> Apple makes a big deal of the color of the phone.
> As if that matters.

Apple makes a deal of colour in the middle of a product cycle.

>
> And it does.
> To most Apple buyers.

Nope.

>
> Otherwise Apple wouldn't be able to charge more for a red iPhone.

Apple DOESN'T charge more for "(PRODUCT)RED" iPhones, putz.

>
> That is the typical Apple buyer.
> People who buy Android are NOT buying anywhere near that way.
>
> For example, they don't care what colors the phone is, while the color is
> the most important thing to Apple owners if you look at Apple ads lately.

Most normal consumers care about the colour of the products they purchase.

>
>> They buy their devices based on price,
>> recommendations, and what they perceive what is best, from what they have been
>> told or read, Most iPhone users are the same.
>
> Nope. Android owners buy on price performance metrics.

Almost no owners even know what "price performance metrics" mean.

> Apple owners do not because Apple iPhones can't meet any common performance
> metric when you compare prices.
>
> For example, take the fact that the iPhone can't run thousands upon
> thousands upon thousands upon thousands of apps that Android easily runs.
>
> The battery sucks on all iPhones.

And yet they are among the longest running phones.

> Apple can't even figure out how to integrate the modem, which every other
> major Android manufacture figured out how to do many years ago already.

No Android manufacturer figured that out.

They bought a chip to do it...

....just as Apple did.

>
> Apple is extremely far behind in the performance curve.
> And always was.
>
> There's no performance on an iPhone.
> Just price.

iPhones absolutely kill on performance benefits.

>
> Completely different kind of buyers.
>
>> You delude yourself into
>> thinking that most of the rest of the world is as interested in technology as
>> the people who post here.
>
> People who buy the iPhone buy it for the color.
> If not the color of the phone case, then the colors of the bubbles.
>
> If you don't believe that, then look at Apple's own advertisements.
> They even charge more for a red phone.

You're repeating yourself...

>
> And they tell you the biggest thing to happen to the iPhone 14 is yellow.
>
> Nobody on Android buys their phone that way.
> It's a completely different type of buyer.
>
>> I have worked in a mixed environment for 40 years
>> and I have found most users of technology just want things that work for them,
>> as trouble free as possible.
>
> Apple is simply copying what every other operating system has always done.
> Patch a bug as fast as possible.
>
> Instead of taking three to six months to build & test a single-slab iOS.
> This is a good thing, whether or not you iMorons even know how it works.
>
> What's no longer amazing, actually, is how little you iKooks know of Apple.

<yawn>

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Wally J wrote:

>They even charge more for a red phone.

I had to take my maroon colored car to the body shop for some repairs.
All the estimates I got made mention that the colors red and pearl
white cost more. Something about that red pigment that makes it more
expensive than other colors.

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 by: Chris - Fri, 14 Jul 2023 13:34 UTC

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> You're Kidding <yk@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>> I say "bull crap". If you believe that, you also believe the tooth fairy and
>> Santa Clause is real. Most Android users don't know any more or care about how
>> it works than iPhone users.

[snip]
>
> If you don't believe that, then look at Apple's own advertisements.
> They even charge more for a red phone.

Utter rubbish. Just look at the prices for the 13/14 mini/base/pro; they're
exactly the same regardless of colour. This isn't new either; my previous
iphone was a red one.

> And they tell you the biggest thing to happen to the iPhone 14 is yellow.
>
> Nobody on Android buys their phone that way.
> It's a completely different type of buyer.

Then why is the Pixel 7a available in four colours and the Galaxy S23 Ultra
in *eight*?

Android buyers aren't really colourblind, are they?

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 by: Bob Campbell - Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:02 UTC

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> You're Kidding <yk@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>> I say "bull crap". If you believe that, you also believe the tooth fairy and
>>> Santa Clause is real. Most Android users don't know any more or care about how
>>> it works than iPhone users.
>
> [snip]
>>
>> If you don't believe that, then look at Apple's own advertisements.
>> They even charge more for a red phone.
>
> Utter rubbish. Just look at the prices for the 13/14 mini/base/pro; they're
> exactly the same regardless of colour. This isn't new either; my previous
> iphone was a red one.
>
>> And they tell you the biggest thing to happen to the iPhone 14 is yellow.
>>
>> Nobody on Android buys their phone that way.
>> It's a completely different type of buyer.
>
> Then why is the Pixel 7a available in four colours and the Galaxy S23 Ultra
> in *eight*?
>
> Android buyers aren't really colourblind, are they?

Arlen does not believe in Actual Facts. Only Arlen Facts.

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 by: Wally J - Fri, 14 Jul 2023 15:28 UTC

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote

>> If you don't believe that, then look at Apple's own advertisements.
>> They even charge more for a red phone.
>
> Utter rubbish. Just look at the prices for the 13/14 mini/base/pro; they're
> exactly the same regardless of colour. This isn't new either; my previous
> iphone was a red one.

Like I said, you iMorons don't know a single thing about what Apple does.

While the main point is that Apple makes a big deal about the mere
meaningless RED or YELLOW color of the iPhone because extremely many Apple
customers care more about the color than anything else in the world.

Apple marketing isn't stupid.

Apple wouldn't charge more for a red phone if they didn't know people cared
more about the color of the phone than anything else about that same phone.

If you wanted RED when it first came out, you couldn't buy anything but the
more expensive models - which cost you extra to get that RED! iPhone.

But even so, the fact that Apple makes such a huge deal about something as
completely meaningless as the color of a phone, is what's important here.

You'll have to pay at least $100 more for the red iPhone 7
https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-red-iphone-7-price-2017-3

"Apple announced a new red iPhone 7 with a matte metallic texture on
Tuesday, and it looks gorgeous.

Apple announced a new red iPhone 7 with a matte metallic texture on
Tuesday, and it looks gorgeous.

My colleague Rob Price thinks it's exactly the kind of break we need from
the monotonous metal body, available in silver/gold/black and glass designs
we've recently seen on many smartphones.

Yet, there's a caveat to breaking away from that monotony, and it takes the
form of a higher price tag.

The Special Edition (Product) RED iPhone 7 starts at $750, and the red
iPhone 7 Plus at $870, both of which are at least $100 more than the base
price of the other iPhone 7 models (with the exception of the jet black
color).

That's because the red iPhone 7 is only available in the pricier 128GB and
256GB options. It's not available in the cheaper 32GB option, which costs
$650 for the iPhone 7 and $770 for the iPhone 7 Plus.

This isn't the first time Apple limited a certain color option to more
expensive iPhone models.

When it released the jet black iPhone 7 last year, arguably the most
desirable new color option at the time, it also announced that it was only
available in the 128GB and 256GB options. That made the Jet Black iPhone 7
inherently more expensive than the other color options, which is still the
case today.

For many, 128GB of storage is overkill, especially when cloud storage and
cloud services are becoming more and more prominent. Think Google Photos
for free unlimited photo storage, or Spotify for music streaming. The need
to store photos and music locally on your phone, two of the biggest storage
hogs you could have on your phone, is diminishing.

At the same time, limiting the most desirable colors, including the red
model, to the more expensive 128GB and 256GB options adds to its Special
Edition vibe.

The red iPhone 7 models will be available to buy on Friday, March 24."

But even so, the fact that Apple makes such a huge deal about something as
completely meaningless as the color of a phone, is what's important here.

What it means is Apple customers tend to be absolutely clueless morons.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 14 Jul 2023 15:30 UTC

On 2023-07-14 08:28, Wally J wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> If you don't believe that, then look at Apple's own advertisements.
>>> They even charge more for a red phone.
>>
>> Utter rubbish. Just look at the prices for the 13/14 mini/base/pro; they're
>> exactly the same regardless of colour. This isn't new either; my previous
>> iphone was a red one.
>
> Like I said, you iMorons don't know a single thing about what Apple does.
>
> While the main point is that Apple makes a big deal about the mere
> meaningless RED or YELLOW color of the iPhone because extremely many Apple
> customers care more about the color than anything else in the world.
>
> Apple marketing isn't stupid.
>
> Apple wouldn't charge more for a red phone if they didn't know people cared
> more about the color of the phone than anything else about that same phone.

They don't charge more for RED phones.

>
> If you wanted RED when it first came out, you couldn't buy anything but the
> more expensive models - which cost you extra to get that RED! iPhone.

The RED phones are a way to donate money to AIDS research.

>
> But even so, the fact that Apple makes such a huge deal about something as
> completely meaningless as the color of a phone, is what's important here.
>
> You'll have to pay at least $100 more for the red iPhone 7
> https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-red-iphone-7-price-2017-3

6 YEARS out of date.

>
> "Apple announced a new red iPhone 7 with a matte metallic texture on
> Tuesday, and it looks gorgeous.
>
> Apple announced a new red iPhone 7 with a matte metallic texture on
> Tuesday, and it looks gorgeous.
>
> My colleague Rob Price thinks it's exactly the kind of break we need from
> the monotonous metal body, available in silver/gold/black and glass designs
> we've recently seen on many smartphones.
>
> Yet, there's a caveat to breaking away from that monotony, and it takes the
> form of a higher price tag.
>
> The Special Edition (Product) RED iPhone 7 starts at $750, and the red
> iPhone 7 Plus at $870, both of which are at least $100 more than the base
> price of the other iPhone 7 models (with the exception of the jet black
> color).
>
> That's because the red iPhone 7 is only available in the pricier 128GB and
> 256GB options. It's not available in the cheaper 32GB option, which costs
> $650 for the iPhone 7 and $770 for the iPhone 7 Plus.
>
> This isn't the first time Apple limited a certain color option to more
> expensive iPhone models.
>
> When it released the jet black iPhone 7 last year, arguably the most
> desirable new color option at the time, it also announced that it was only
> available in the 128GB and 256GB options. That made the Jet Black iPhone 7
> inherently more expensive than the other color options, which is still the
> case today.
>
> For many, 128GB of storage is overkill, especially when cloud storage and
> cloud services are becoming more and more prominent. Think Google Photos
> for free unlimited photo storage, or Spotify for music streaming. The need
> to store photos and music locally on your phone, two of the biggest storage
> hogs you could have on your phone, is diminishing.
>
> At the same time, limiting the most desirable colors, including the red
> model, to the more expensive 128GB and 256GB options adds to its Special
> Edition vibe.
>
> The red iPhone 7 models will be available to buy on Friday, March 24."
>
> But even so, the fact that Apple makes such a huge deal about something as
> completely meaningless as the color of a phone, is what's important here.
>
> What it means is Apple customers tend to be absolutely clueless morons.

Appearance matters to consumers.

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 by: Wally J - Fri, 14 Jul 2023 15:35 UTC

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote

>>They even charge more for a red phone.
>
> I had to take my maroon colored car to the body shop for some repairs.
> All the estimates I got made mention that the colors red and pearl
> white cost more. Something about that red pigment that makes it more
> expensive than other colors.

If you assume that Apple has one of the finest marketing operations in the
world (other than the tobacco and soda companies), then you have to look at
how Apple advertises the iPhone to people who care ONLY about the color.

Apple introduces iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus (PRODUCT)RED Special Edition
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/04/apple-introduces-iphone-8-and-iphone-8-plus-productred-special-edition/

It's not only Apple that makes a huge deal of out the mere color of their
iPhone since news outlets also consider the Apple customer to be stupid.

Apple iPhone 8 RED Official: 1st Photos, Prices And All You Need To Know
http://forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2018/04/09/apple-iphone-8-productred-official-1st-photos-and-all-you-need-to-know-release-date-price-pictures-photos/

More recently, Apple spent a half a year's work "improving" the iPhone 14.

Hello, yellow! Apple introduces new iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/03/hello-yellow-apple-introduces-new-iphone-14-and-iphone-14-plus/
"A beautiful yellow joins the lineup"

If you assume Apple marketing isn't stupid, you're forced to conclude that
Apple marketing rather obviously thinks its own iPhone customer is stupid.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 14 Jul 2023 15:48 UTC

On 2023-07-14 08:35, Wally J wrote:
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> They even charge more for a red phone.
>>
>> I had to take my maroon colored car to the body shop for some repairs.
>> All the estimates I got made mention that the colors red and pearl
>> white cost more. Something about that red pigment that makes it more
>> expensive than other colors.
>
> If you assume that Apple has one of the finest marketing operations in the
> world (other than the tobacco and soda companies), then you have to look at
> how Apple advertises the iPhone to people who care ONLY about the color.
>
> Apple introduces iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus (PRODUCT)RED Special Edition
> https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/04/apple-introduces-iphone-8-and-iphone-8-plus-productred-special-edition/

Simpleton:

'Product Red, stylized as (PRODUCT)RED or (PRODUCT)RED, is a licensed
brand by the company Red, stylized as (RED), that seeks to engage the
private sector in raising awareness and funds to help eliminate HIV/AIDS
in eight African countries, namely Swaziland, Ghana, Kenya, Lesotho,
Rwanda, South Africa, Tanzania, and Zambia.[1] It is licensed to partner
companies including Apple Inc., Nike, American Express (UK), The
Coca-Cola Company, Starbucks, Converse, Electronic Arts, Primark, Head,
Buckaroo, Penguin Classics (UK & International), Gap, Armani, FIAT,
Hallmark (US), SAP, Beats Electronics, and Supercell.

The concept was founded in 2006 by U2 frontman and activist Bono,
together with Bobby Shriver of the One Campaign and DATA. The Global
Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria is the recipient of Product
Red's money.'

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_Red>

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 by: Bob Campbell - Fri, 14 Jul 2023 19:23 UTC

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

>
> What it means is Androidiots tend to be absolutely clueless morons.
>

Yes, we know that.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 15 Jul 2023 03:15 UTC

On 2023-07-14, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-07-13 20:08, Wally J wrote:
>> You're Kidding <yk@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>> I say "bull crap". If you believe that, you also believe the tooth
>>> fairy and Santa Clause is real. Most Android users don't know any
>>> more or care about how it works than iPhone users.
>>
>> Two completely different buyer mindsets.
>>
>> First off, you have to understand that people who buy the iPhone are
>> like people who buy a fancy car just because they feel it's fancy to
>> others.
>
> I don't know if my car is "fancy" or not...
>
> (2012 BMW 135i)
>
> ...but I like it because of what it DOES...
>
> ...not because of anything anyone else feels about it.

Arlen can't imagine a world where people buy things because they
actually do things they want them to do, because he projects his own
shitty feelings onto everyone else, and his only reason for buying
anything is to feel "superior" to them. 😉 It literally drives him,
which is why he spends literal hours every day insulting and belittling
complete strangers how dare to use Apple products. He's a sad excuse of
a human being.

--
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