On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:33:24 AM UTC-7, David Turner wrote:
> *We have a pallet of these*

> *Proliant DL380 Gen 10**

How many generations can there be of the same thing?

Some years ago, maybe 10, I bought three DL380's for my wife's lab,
for $100 each. I don't remember knowing about the generation, but
they were fast enough for what needed to be done.

Fun machines, with ILO so you can remotely turn them on and off.

That was about the same time I bought an RX2600, used for $100,
and they look very similar, I believe using the same disks and
disk carriers.

Ancient history in computer years.

On 7/21/22 3:26 PM, gah4 wrote:
> How many generations can there be of the same thing?

As many as Compaq ~> HP ~> HPE ~> ??? wants to make.

The basic design and capability (as in number of CPU / drive / slots)
has stayed roughly the same. The different generations are updates of
the basic design using newer components.

I think I've seen some vendors make the generation number match the CPU
generation number. I don't know if HP(E) does this. E.g.
SuperWizBang3000 G1 used 1st generation Intel Core CPUs while the
SuperWizBang3000 G5 used 5th generation Intel Core CPUs.

> Some years ago, maybe 10, I bought three DL380's for my wife's lab,
> for $100 each. I don't remember knowing about the generation, but
> they were fast enough for what needed to be done.

If they were Compaq branded, they might have been 1st generation DL380s.
I don't think the generation marking existed on the 1st generation.

I've owned multiple DL380s over the years. I've got four DL380 G5s in
my basement at the moment along with two ML370 G5s.

> Fun machines, with ILO so you can remotely turn them on and off.

Yep.

IP KVM is nice too.

> That was about the same time I bought an RX2600, used for $100,
> and they look very similar, I believe using the same disks and
> disk carriers.

I'm not surprised.

> Ancient history in computer years.

Yep.

But they probably still run.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

gah4 <gah4@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:33:24 AM UTC-7, David Turner wrote:
>> *We have a pallet of these*
>
>> *Proliant DL380 Gen 10**
>
>How many generations can there be of the same thing?

They are actually completely different machines, at least the Gen 7 is
completely different from the Gen 8.

The Gen 9 does not permit use of non-HP-branded disk drives. Is this still
the case for the Gen 10? It was not the case for the Gen 8.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

All those Dl380 Gen10s we had - we just sold to another dealer (I guess
pricing was very good)

Will get some more from the same place in a few months if interested

David
Island Computers

Visit www.islandco.com for deals and OpenVMS products

On 7/22/2022 7:08 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> gah4 <gah4@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>> On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:33:24 AM UTC-7, David Turner wrote:
>>> *We have a pallet of these*
>>> *Proliant DL380 Gen 10**
>> How many generations can there be of the same thing?
> They are actually completely different machines, at least the Gen 7 is
> completely different from the Gen 8.
>
> The Gen 9 does not permit use of non-HP-branded disk drives. Is this still
> the case for the Gen 10? It was not the case for the Gen 8.
> --scott

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:59:35 AM UTC+3, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 7/21/22 3:26 PM, gah4 wrote:
> > How many generations can there be of the same thing?
> As many as Compaq ~> HP ~> HPE ~> ??? wants to make.
>
> The basic design and capability (as in number of CPU / drive / slots)
> has stayed roughly the same. The different generations are updates of
> the basic design using newer components.
>

I think, DL 380 moniker means a little more than just a number of
CPU sockets (2) and disk drive bays.
It also means:
- Intel-branded CPU - unlike AMD-branded DL 385
- 2U - unlike 1U DL 360
-Enterprise-class RAS - unlike cheaper DL 180.

> I think I've seen some vendors make the generation number match the CPU
> generation number. I don't know if HP(E) does this. E.g.
> SuperWizBang3000 G1 used 1st generation Intel Core CPUs while the
> SuperWizBang3000 G5 used 5th generation Intel Core CPUs.
> > Some years ago, maybe 10, I bought three DL380's for my wife's lab,
> > for $100 each. I don't remember knowing about the generation, but
> > they were fast enough for what needed to be done.
> If they were Compaq branded, they might have been 1st generation DL380s.
> I don't think the generation marking existed on the 1st generation.
>
> I've owned multiple DL380s over the years. I've got four DL380 G5s in
> my basement at the moment along with two ML370 G5s.
> > Fun machines, with ILO so you can remotely turn them on and off.
> Yep.
>
> IP KVM is nice too.
> > That was about the same time I bought an RX2600, used for $100,
> > and they look very similar, I believe using the same disks and
> > disk carriers.
> I'm not surprised.
> > Ancient history in computer years.
> Yep.
>
> But they probably still run.
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die