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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 15 Jul 2023 03:16 UTC

On 2023-07-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wally J wrote:
>
>>They even charge more for a red phone.
>
> I had to take my maroon colored car to the body shop for some repairs.
> All the estimates I got made mention that the colors red and pearl
> white cost more. Something about that red pigment that makes it more
> expensive than other colors.

You've gleefully fallen for bullshit. Apple doesn't charge more for red
products. The reason you gleefully fell for it is because you enjoy
Arlen's trolls.

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

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Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> If you don't believe that, then look at Apple's own advertisements.
>>> They even charge more for a red phone.
>>
>> Utter rubbish. Just look at the prices for the 13/14 mini/base/pro; they're
>> exactly the same regardless of colour. This isn't new either; my previous
>> iphone was a red one.
>
> Like I said, you iMorons don't know a single thing about what Apple does.
>

[snip]

> The Special Edition (Product) RED iPhone 7 starts at $750, and the red
> iPhone 7 Plus at $870, both of which are at least $100 more than the base
> price of the other iPhone 7 models (with the exception of the jet black
> color).
>
> That's because the red iPhone 7 is only available in the pricier 128GB and
> 256GB options. It's not available in the cheaper 32GB option, which costs
> $650 for the iPhone 7 and $770 for the iPhone 7 Plus.

Idiot that's not charging more for a colour. If it is then Samsung do
exactly same: only some colours are available in the Ultra models.

This was also six years ago. The Red models also include a donation to
charity, which was a factor in buying it last time around.

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 by: Alan Browne - Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:48 UTC

On 2023-07-14 11:35, Wally J wrote:
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> They even charge more for a red phone.
>>
>> I had to take my maroon colored car to the body shop for some repairs.
>> All the estimates I got made mention that the colors red and pearl
>> white cost more. Something about that red pigment that makes it more
>> expensive than other colors.
>
> If you assume that Apple has one of the finest marketing operations in the
> world (other than the tobacco and soda companies), then you have to look at
> how Apple advertises the iPhone to people who care ONLY about the color.

Showing your vast ignorance about marketing and advertising. You're
harping over a mid-year "booster" campaign to lift sales. The sales
will not be of yellow phones alone - indeed that will be the lesser
portion of the sales.

Advertising is about getting attention to the product line / company.

But of course you obsess over the colour - because that's all you've got.

"Apple is an ungodly well managed company."
-Charlie Munger.

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 by: Wally J - Sat, 15 Jul 2023 20:32 UTC

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

> But of course you obsess over the colour

Don't get mad at me for pointing out Apple thinks its customer is stupid.
Apple (& tobacco & soda) marketing is well known to be the finest around.

They know EXACTLY what drives their customers to buy more of their product.

You whooshed that it was Apple whose advertisements I had pointed out.
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/04/apple-introduces-iphone-8-and-iphone-8-plus-productred-special-edition/

If you don't like that Apple obsesses over color, take it up with them.
https://youtu.be/1S8L7t2tu0U (Hello YELLOW! - ONLY FROM APPLE!!!!!!!)

The fact remains Apple makes a big deal about their RED & YELLOW color.
Which means Apple thinks its customers care greatly only about the color.

If you don't like what Apple thinks of its customers take it up with Apple.

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 by: gtr - Sat, 15 Jul 2023 22:54 UTC

On Jul 13, 2023 at 12:29:09 PM PDT, "Wally J" <walterjones@invalid.nospam>
wrote:

> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote
>
>>> That's reality.
>>> Not religion.
>>
>> I see.
>>
>> Android is Jesus! Praise our lord Jesus, unless your are Satan.
>
> No. You don't understand. Nobody says Android is a religion.
> People on Android read the news about how Android works.
>
> It's mainly you iMorons who never read anything about how Apple works.
>
> If someone tells you that Android has been creating hotfix patches since
> about Android 10, then that's simply a reality that Android has been
> patched for many years via about a half dozen separate patch methods.
>
> It all happens every day, by the billions, under the covers, using the
> Google Play Update mechanism which is the default on every Android phone.
>
> What's different with iOS is that Apple has used a highly backward
> single-slab monolith walled garden iOS release since the inception of iOS.
>
> That ancient method was how people did operating systems back in the 1950s
> and 1960s, but every company abandoned the single slab - except for Apple.
>
> Like Moses and the single slab ten commandments, you Apple iNuts have
> hailed that single-slab release as a religious embodiment of Apple's Jesus.
>
> And yet, even Apple had to finally join the modern world by adding to iOS
> 16 for the first time in Apple's history the ability to patch a single bug.
>
> That's the RSR.
>
> And since Apple has never patched a single bug in their history prior to
> iOS 16, it's obvious that Apple is having teething pains joining the modern
> world.
>
> That is just what's happening to Apple.
> It has nothing to do with Android as much as you'd like to make it so.
>
> Apple is simply copying what every other operating system has always done.
> Patch a bug as fast as possible.
>
> Instead of taking three to six months to build & test a single-slab iOS.
> This is a good thing, whether or not you iMorons even know how it works.
>
> What's no longer amazing, actually, is how little you iKooks know of Apple.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Android. Cast away your graven images and
return t our Lord Android!

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 by: Alan - Sun, 16 Jul 2023 04:49 UTC

On 2023-07-15 13:32, Wally J wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
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>> But of course you obsess over the colour
>
> Don't get mad at me for...

....choosing a new posting nym twice a week, Arlen?

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 by: Alan Browne - Sun, 16 Jul 2023 13:30 UTC

On 2023-07-15 16:32, Wally J wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
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>> But of course you obsess over the colour
>
> Don't get mad at me

I wouldn't waste energy being mad at you.

Obviously you don't understand marketing and advertising. You obsess
over the colour presented rather than why there was that marketing
campaign. And of course you snip all that out as it distracts from your
core diatribe.

"Apple is an ungodly well managed company."
- Charlie Munger

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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 by: Bob Campbell - Sun, 16 Jul 2023 16:48 UTC

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> "Apple is an ungodly well managed company."
> - Charlie Munger

And THAT is what drives Arlen the Androidiot crazy. If Apple was selling
Android phones, Arlen the Androidiot would LOVE Apple.

But Alas, Apple does not sell Windows PCs and Apple does not sell Android
phones. Thus, being a good little troll kiddie, Arlen the Androidiot has
been having a 5 year long public tantrum.

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 by: Wilf - Sun, 16 Jul 2023 17:03 UTC

On 16/07/2023 at 17:48, Bob Campbell wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>> "Apple is an ungodly well managed company."
>> - Charlie Munger
>
> And THAT is what drives Arlen the Androidiot crazy. If Apple was selling
> Android phones, Arlen the Androidiot would LOVE Apple.
>
> But Alas, Apple does not sell Windows PCs and Apple does not sell Android
> phones. Thus, being a good little troll kiddie, Arlen the Androidiot has
> been having a 5 year long public tantrum.
>
>

Jeez, you guys really obsess over this Arlen character. As if he's the
Anti-Christ or something. Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed
to control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in the book
Nineteen Eighty-Four.
--
Wilf

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 by: Alan - Sun, 16 Jul 2023 17:45 UTC

On 2023-07-16 10:03, Wilf wrote:
> On 16/07/2023 at 17:48, Bob Campbell wrote:
>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Apple is an ungodly well managed company."
>>> - Charlie Munger
>>
>> And THAT is what drives Arlen the Androidiot crazy.   If Apple was
>> selling
>> Android phones, Arlen the Androidiot would LOVE Apple.
>>
>> But Alas, Apple does not sell Windows PCs and Apple does not sell Android
>> phones.  Thus, being a good little troll kiddie, Arlen the Androidiot has
>> been having a 5 year long public tantrum.
>>
>
> Jeez, you guys really obsess over this Arlen character.  As if he's the
> Anti-Christ or something.    Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed
> to control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in the book
> Nineteen Eighty-Four.

It's not obsession.

It's amusement.

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 by: Alan Browne - Sun, 16 Jul 2023 18:41 UTC

On 2023-07-16 13:03, Wilf wrote:
> really obsess over this Arlen character.  As if he's the Anti-Christ or
> something.    Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed to control the
> masses which Goldstein was set up to be in the book Nineteen Eighty-Four.

You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to be weak.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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 by: Alan - Sun, 16 Jul 2023 20:27 UTC

On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-07-16 13:03, Wilf wrote:
>> really obsess over this Arlen character.  As if he's the Anti-Christ
>> or something.    Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed to control
>> the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in the book Nineteen
>> Eighty-Four.
>
> You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to be
> weak.
>

Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.

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 by: Alan Browne - Sun, 16 Jul 2023 20:43 UTC

On 2023-07-16 16:27, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-07-16 13:03, Wilf wrote:
>>> really obsess over this Arlen character.  As if he's the Anti-Christ
>>> or something.    Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed to
>>> control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in the book
>>> Nineteen Eighty-Four.
>>
>> You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to be
>> weak.
>>
>
> Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.

It's actually the most successful way of dealing with trolls. However
as soon as 1 person answers it, it gets oxygen to keep on going.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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 by: Alan - Sun, 16 Jul 2023 21:44 UTC

On 2023-07-16 13:43, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-07-16 16:27, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-07-16 13:03, Wilf wrote:
>>>> really obsess over this Arlen character.  As if he's the Anti-Christ
>>>> or something.    Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed to
>>>> control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in the book
>>>> Nineteen Eighty-Four.
>>>
>>> You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to
>>> be weak.
>>>
>>
>> Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.
>
> It's actually the most successful way of dealing with trolls.  However
> as soon as 1 person answers it, it gets oxygen to keep on going.
>

But that's a flaw you can NEVER eliminate.

There will always be new people who come in and provide the oxygen.

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From: REMOVETH...@gmail.com (badgolferman)
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 by: badgolferman - Sun, 16 Jul 2023 23:02 UTC

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-07-16 13:43, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-07-16 16:27, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-07-16 13:03, Wilf wrote:
>>>>> really obsess over this Arlen character.  As if he's the Anti-Christ
>>>>> or something.    Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed to
>>>>> control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in the book
>>>>> Nineteen Eighty-Four.
>>>>
>>>> You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to
>>>> be weak.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.
>>
>> It's actually the most successful way of dealing with trolls.  However
>> as soon as 1 person answers it, it gets oxygen to keep on going.
>>
>
> But that's a flaw you can NEVER eliminate.
>
> There will always be new people who come in and provide the oxygen.
>

According to some people in this group, a troll is someone you disagree
with. That would mean they are trolls for disagreeing as well.

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 by: Minoru Osaka - Sun, 16 Jul 2023 23:31 UTC

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 23:02:43 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

> According to some people in this group, a troll is someone you disagree
> with. That would mean they are trolls for disagreeing as well.

What's funny is they are disagreeing with what Apple marketing does.

They call every Apple marketing campaign, a troll.

Instead of accepting that it's Apple who "obsesses" over the color of the
iPhone, they call everyone who dares to post a URL to the Apple marketing
campaigns where Apple obsesses over the iPhone color, as a troll.

Simply for pointing out what Apple does.

Apple clearly obsesses over the iPhone color.
What does that tell you about what Apple thinks of its iPhone consumer?

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 by: Alan Browne - Mon, 17 Jul 2023 00:04 UTC

On 2023-07-16 17:44, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-07-16 13:43, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-07-16 16:27, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-07-16 13:03, Wilf wrote:
>>>>> really obsess over this Arlen character.  As if he's the
>>>>> Anti-Christ or something.    Or the sort of mythical hate figure
>>>>> needed to control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in
>>>>> the book Nineteen Eighty-Four.
>>>>
>>>> You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to
>>>> be weak.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.
>>
>> It's actually the most successful way of dealing with trolls.  However
>> as soon as 1 person answers it, it gets oxygen to keep on going.
>>
>
> But that's a flaw you can NEVER eliminate.
>
> There will always be new people who come in and provide the oxygen.

Doesn't mean the "regulars" need to.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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 by: Alan Browne - Mon, 17 Jul 2023 00:25 UTC

On 2023-07-16 19:31, Minoru Osaka wrote:

> Apple clearly obsesses over the iPhone color.

You're obsessing over the colour because you have no clue what marketing
and advertising is for. That campaign probably helped sell 25 -
50,000,000 iPhones - of which very few were yellow. Also helped sell
many other Apple products from Watches to Earpods to iPads and even Macs.

They probably spent about $25M on that campaign and it probably boosted
income (with eye watering margins) about $20B. Spit balling here, mind.

Huge ROI for that campaign.

But - you don't understand marketing/advertising, so don't worry too much.

> What does that tell you about what Apple thinks of its iPhone consumer?

That we keep offering our clients the best there is and they will come
back again and again and again because they prefer the best product that
has the best integrated eco-system of them all.

Rumour amongst top value investors is that Apple is an ungodly well
managed company.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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 by: Alan - Mon, 17 Jul 2023 00:30 UTC

On 2023-07-16 16:31, Minoru Osaka wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 23:02:43 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
>
>> According to some people in this group, a troll is someone you disagree
>> with. That would mean they are trolls for disagreeing as well.
>
> What's funny is they are disagreeing with what Apple marketing does.
>
>      They call every Apple marketing campaign, a troll.
>
> Instead of accepting that it's Apple who "obsesses" over the color of the
> iPhone, they call everyone who dares to post a URL to the Apple marketing
> campaigns where Apple obsesses over the iPhone color, as a troll.
>
>      Simply for pointing out what Apple does.
>
> Apple clearly obsesses over the iPhone color.
> What does that tell you about what Apple thinks of its iPhone consumer?

Oh, look!

Arlen has a new posting nym!

:-)

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 by: Alan - Mon, 17 Jul 2023 00:31 UTC

On 2023-07-16 17:04, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-07-16 17:44, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-07-16 13:43, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-07-16 16:27, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-07-16 13:03, Wilf wrote:
>>>>>> really obsess over this Arlen character.  As if he's the
>>>>>> Anti-Christ or something.    Or the sort of mythical hate figure
>>>>>> needed to control the masses which Goldstein was set up to be in
>>>>>> the book Nineteen Eighty-Four.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to
>>>>> be weak.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.
>>>
>>> It's actually the most successful way of dealing with trolls.
>>> However as soon as 1 person answers it, it gets oxygen to keep on going.
>>>
>>
>> But that's a flaw you can NEVER eliminate.
>>
>> There will always be new people who come in and provide the oxygen.
>
> Doesn't mean the "regulars" need to.
>

It means that the regulars have to deal with the facts.

I choose to deal with them by amusing myself.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 17 Jul 2023 01:34 UTC

On 2023-07-16, Wilf <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote:
> On 16/07/2023 at 17:48, Bob Campbell wrote:
>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Apple is an ungodly well managed company." - Charlie Munger
>>
>> And THAT is what drives Arlen the Androidiot crazy. If Apple was
>> selling Android phones, Arlen the Androidiot would LOVE Apple.
>>
>> But Alas, Apple does not sell Windows PCs and Apple does not sell
>> Android phones. Thus, being a good little troll kiddie, Arlen the
>> Androidiot has been having a 5 year long public tantrum.
>
> Jeez, you guys really obsess over this Arlen character.

No, Arlen obsesses over Apple, to the extent that he literally creates
hundreds of new nyms a month, regularly impersonates existing nyms, and
spends literal hours every day trolling the Apple news groups. The
normal people in the Apple news groups are simply reacting to his
constant disruptions. Nice try at victim blaming, but no cigar.

> As if he's the Anti-Christ or something.

Nope, just a complete loser who trolls endlessly.

> Or the sort of mythical hate figure needed to control the masses which
> Goldstein was set up to be in the book Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Not that either. Three strikes, you're out.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 17 Jul 2023 01:35 UTC

On 2023-07-16, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-07-16 16:27, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>
>>> You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to
>>> be weak.
>>
>> Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.
>
> It's actually the most successful way of dealing with trolls. However
> as soon as 1 person answers it, it gets oxygen to keep on going.

You're ignoring the fact that Arlen regularly creates new nyms to answer
himself. Ignoring him does nothing.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 17 Jul 2023 01:37 UTC

On 2023-07-16, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
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> According to some people in this group, a troll is someone you
> disagree with.

You're projecting as usual. And you *regularly* side with Arlen and sms
in their obvious trolls. You gleefully participated in the recent
"ERRMEGHERD, Apple dared to release a YELLOW iPHONE" troll threads, even
creating one or two of your own as just one example.

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On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 20:25:43 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

>> Apple clearly obsesses over the iPhone color.
>
> You're obsessing over the colour because you have no clue what marketing
> and advertising is for.

You do not seem to be stupid, so I will attempt to discuss how Apple
markets the iPhone at the next level - to see if you can keep up. OK?

I agree that the dumb "Hello Yellow" campaign was likely simply a way for
Apple to say something (anything!) in the mid-year cycle for the iPhone 14.

But what does _that_ say about what Apple thinks of its own customers?

Apple had nothing else to say about the iPhone 14 so in reality, if Apple
didn't want to "obsess" over the color, they should have said nothing.

> That campaign probably helped sell 25 -
> 50,000,000 iPhones - of which very few were yellow. Also helped sell
> many other Apple products from Watches to Earpods to iPads and even Macs.

I agree with you that part of advertising is to simply make it appear that
Apple has something different to offer its iPhone customers that's unique.

For example, Apple marketing obsessed over the RED! color quite a few
times, mainly as a sleazy way for Apple to promote a specific charity.

Again, I ask you to delve into the question of why Apple stooped that low.
Consider, for example, Apple could have donated directly to the charity.

But they didn't (as far as we know from their advertisements).
They used the obsession over the RED! iPhone as their donation messaging.

What does that say about what Apple thinks of its own customer base?

> They probably spent about $25M on that campaign and it probably boosted
> income (with eye watering margins) about $20B. Spit balling here, mind.
>
> Huge ROI for that campaign.
>
> But - you don't understand marketing/advertising, so don't worry too much.

Actually I do understand marketing rather well, whether you know it or not.
Apple marketing is one of the finest on this planet at understanding you.

You, for example, read an Apple white paper as if it's gospel. Admit it.
You can't fathom, for example, zero-click holes abound on Apple devices.

You think to yourself, "If Apple's sandbox is so great", and "If Apple's
Secure Enclave is so great" and "If Apple's encryption is so great"...

Then how can it be there are so many zero-click exploits on Apple devices.

I would wager I understand you better than you understand yourself.
You believed white papers (which said all these exploits are impossible).

>> What does that tell you about what Apple thinks of its iPhone consumer?
>
> That we keep offering our clients the best there is and they will come
> back again and again and again because they prefer the best product that
> has the best integrated eco-system of them all.

You think it's they best product because you _believe_ the white papers.
And yet, you _ignore_ that iOS is the most exploited smartphone OS around.

You don't know that you don't understand a single thing about iOS.
For example, you vehemently will deny that the walled garden even exists.

Am I right?

What does that mean to a person who is intelligent & who understands Apple?
It means you're incredibly ignorant about everything that Apple does today.

What you don't realize is you only believe what Apple told you to believe.
And Apple never once said that the walled garden exists.

Everyone else _knows_ the walled garden is very real. Except you.
Since Apple didn't tell you the walled garden exists, you say it doesn't.

Even though almost all the flaws in Apple products are due to those walls.
Am I right about you?

> Rumour amongst top value investors is that Apple is an ungodly well
> managed company.

Again we agree that Apple plays ignorant people like a fiddle, with the
classic joke of 'laughing all the way to the bank befitting' of them.

If Apple actually thought their customer wasn't incredibly stupid, then the
Apple marketing campaigns wouldn't be obsessing over what they obsess over.

I wonder if you can step up to the level which I upped the conversation to?
We will know if you can play at the next league level by your response.

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 by: Alan Browne - Mon, 17 Jul 2023 14:42 UTC

On 2023-07-16 21:35, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-07-16, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-07-16 16:27, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-07-16 11:41, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You're quite right - we should absolutely ignore it, but we seem to
>>>> be weak.
>>>
>>> Ignoring it has never ever worked as a strategy.
>>
>> It's actually the most successful way of dealing with trolls. However
>> as soon as 1 person answers it, it gets oxygen to keep on going.
>
> You're ignoring the fact that Arlen regularly creates new nyms to answer
> himself. Ignoring him does nothing.

I disagree - if he gets into a shouting match with himself, both are
easily KF'd - but everyone needs to lean that way for it to be
effective. Troll-lites like badg don't matter.

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