On 2021-10-29 9:04 a.m., Mayayana wrote:
> "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
>
> | > Why would you "pity" someone who carries something that weighs less than
> | > 4 pounds?
> |
> | My purse weighs 7 pounds, big deal. It's not so much the weight as the
> | NEED to move your computer around. Multiple jobs, work both at home and
> | at the office, whatever other reason you might need to haul a single
> | ergonomically less-than-optimal computer around wherever you go.
> |
> | Are you the same guy who used to post into r.s.a.?
> |
>
> He clearly loves to argue about any old thing. I think
> we should try to set him up with nospam. They could
> make a perfect couple. And they'd be so busy arguing
> that they'd never post here.
>
>

I clearly love to argue. I wouldn't even try to deny it.

But that doesn't make "Bev's" position any less nonsensical.

A laptop can do pretty much anything a desktop can do with the exception
of a couple of things that most people never do: add large amounts of
internal storage to the existing setup and add expansion cards.

A laptop can easily accomplish something a desktop can essentially never
do that is extremely useful to most people:

Be used in a variety of locations at whim.

My sister-in-law just took a new position and her new company set her up
with a very capable system to use to work from home.

Two monitors, keyboard, mouse...

....and all attached to a laptop via a docking station.

Why?

So when she does need to go into the office, she can bring along her
work computer! To leave the house with her laptop, she has JUST ONE
THING to unplug.

In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:04:09 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 26/10/2021 19.57, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 10/24/2021 05:34 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>
>> In addition, I am unable to find how to actually turn it off.  I
>> 'closed' it by swiping, but by 11 pm the battery was down to 9% and the
>> phone shut down when I attempted to kill it.  Info about which app did
>> the dirty deed is, of course, gone.
>>
>> IS there a switch to actually turn iOSMand off, or do we have to kill it
>> from the edit/info/uninstall function of the phone?  That's an
>> intolerable nuisance.
>
>I had no problem closing OsmAnd. I was using it yesterday, no battery
>problems at all.
>
>You probably forgot to stop the track recording, that certainly
>continues running if you close the app till you deactivate it. But in my
>phone it leaves a permanent notification, which has a button to pause or
>stop it.
>
>Track recording queries the GPS chip every 5 seconds by default.

I gather that people save a track so they will know where they've been?

Regardless of the problem described here, I used OsmAnd+ on my hike in
the woods on Sunday and and I used Google maps, and Osm had two
advantages.

This was a hike without a trail, following a stream although not always
close to it. Because there were no roads or trails, Osm showed almost
nothing but it did show a stream with 3 branches, including one small
branch which Google map view totally didn't show. It had no current
for some reason but it still would have confused me if I'd not known it
was there. (I would have thought it was the main branch)

And it showed a house, just as grey rectangle, on Osmand, that, on
Google map didn't exist at all and on Google Sat view could barely be
seen even after I knew where to look. It's in the middle of a bunch of
trees and its damaged roof peaks through. It seemed to be right above
the stream, but my shoes were still dry and I was running late. (At one
point I'd been walking for an hour and only gone about 5% of the 3 miles
total that were planned. Because of all the obstructions, mostly thorns,
and, at first, streams, until I gave in and got my feet wet. I was
afraid I'd get blisters.) I hadn't started until 1PM so I lowered the
end point to 1.5 miles and it ended up taking 3 hours for that. Then I
took a Lyft back to my car.

So I got pictures but didn't get very close to the house, and it's maybe
an hour's walk to get back there again.

In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 25 Oct 2021 07:39:02 -0700, Ken Blake
<ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:

>
>> Any serious writing, like here, is impossible. I didn't even put a
>> newsreader on my phone, there's no point in reading if I can't write
>> more than +1 or equivalent :-(
>
>
>Some for me. I'm terrible typing on a phone's tiny keyboard--even wose
>than on a laptop.

I spent a little time trying to imitate kids who type with both thumbs,
but when I had a long text to send, to someone who either has no email
or I don't know the address, I used My Phone Explorer.

It's great, and free. It connects the PC to the phone with wifi,
bluetooth, cable, or a fixed-ip address, and you can then use the phone
from the PC keyboard.

YOu have to install two parts, one on the phone and one on the PC.

On 10/30/2021 10:33 AM, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:04:09 +0200, "Carlos
> E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 26/10/2021 19.57, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 10/24/2021 05:34 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In addition, I am unable to find how to actually turn it off. I
>>> 'closed' it by swiping, but by 11 pm the battery was down to 9% and the
>>> phone shut down when I attempted to kill it. Info about which app did
>>> the dirty deed is, of course, gone.
>>>
>>> IS there a switch to actually turn iOSMand off, or do we have to kill it
>>> from the edit/info/uninstall function of the phone? That's an
>>> intolerable nuisance.
>>
>>I had no problem closing OsmAnd. I was using it yesterday, no battery
>>problems at all.
>>
>>You probably forgot to stop the track recording, that certainly
>>continues running if you close the app till you deactivate it. But in my
>>phone it leaves a permanent notification, which has a button to pause or
>>stop it.
>>
>>Track recording queries the GPS chip every 5 seconds by default.
>
> I gather that people save a track so they will know where they've been?

For skiing, I want to know how fast I was going at a certain point. Not
so much any more. I don't think I'll ever hit 53.4 again :-(

Before I had any GPS I wished that I'd had one (yes, they were
available, I just didn't have one) so I could mark waypoints over weird
shit I saw out the plane window so I could find it on a map. Haven't
flown since I got a smartphone :-( My friend's path (lost in Dublin)
was hilarious.

> Regardless of the problem described here, I used OsmAnd+ on my hike in
> the woods on Sunday and and I used Google maps, and Osm had two
> advantages.

I can see that it would be better off in the hinterlands. That's why I
haven't deleted it. Hey, I MIGHT see another hinterland some day.

> This was a hike without a trail, following a stream although not always
> close to it. ... I hadn't started until 1PM so I lowered the
> end point to 1.5 miles and it ended up taking 3 hours for that. Then I
> took a Lyft back to my car.

Ha. The one time I would have needed that we knocked on somebody's door
and called my cousin's mom to come pick us up and take us back to where
we'd parked.

--
Cheers, Bev
"I can't stand this proliferation of paperwork. It's useless to
fight the forms. You've got to kill the people producing them."
-- Vladimir Kabaidze

In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 30 Oct 2021 11:59:46 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 10/30/2021 10:33 AM, micky wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:04:09 +0200, "Carlos
>> E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On 26/10/2021 19.57, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 10/24/2021 05:34 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In addition, I am unable to find how to actually turn it off. I
>>>> 'closed' it by swiping, but by 11 pm the battery was down to 9% and the
>>>> phone shut down when I attempted to kill it. Info about which app did
>>>> the dirty deed is, of course, gone.
>>>>
>>>> IS there a switch to actually turn iOSMand off, or do we have to kill it
>>>> from the edit/info/uninstall function of the phone? That's an
>>>> intolerable nuisance.
>>>
>>>I had no problem closing OsmAnd. I was using it yesterday, no battery
>>>problems at all.
>>>
>>>You probably forgot to stop the track recording, that certainly
>>>continues running if you close the app till you deactivate it. But in my
>>>phone it leaves a permanent notification, which has a button to pause or
>>>stop it.
>>>
>>>Track recording queries the GPS chip every 5 seconds by default.
>>
>> I gather that people save a track so they will know where they've been?
>
>For skiing, I want to know how fast I was going at a certain point. Not
>so much any more. I don't think I'll ever hit 53.4 again :-(

Maybe not. I dont' think I'll ever hit 20 again on a bicycle.

>Before I had any GPS I wished that I'd had one (yes, they were
>available, I just didn't have one)

I didn't think of that.

> so I could mark waypoints over weird
>shit I saw out the plane window so I could find it on a map. Haven't

You have to be one of the very few people I know who would do thatt.

The first or second time I flew to Texas from Baltimore, I bought a map
of the South East USA, but it wsn't detailed enough. The next time I
bougth maps of Kentucky/Tennessee, Arkansas, and Texas. I saw that the
plane flew north of the most direct line and was further north than I
expected as it approached the Misssissippi. (I think it was over
Kentucky) I also saw that something had changed since my map was
printed, maybe 30 years earlier. I cant' remember now but it was big
enough to be seen from the plane, maybe even a tributary's route, within
far western Kentucky.

I also learned that the mississippi and other rivers have a more
convoluted path than even I expected, curls to the right and curls to
the left. The previous plane flight, I had seen the M..i, but it had so
many curly-q's I thought it was a smaller river.

Since then I haven't had a flight very suitable for comparing with a
map.

>flown since I got a smartphone :-(

So google or other maps and GPS work well in a plane? I suppose you
have to dl the detailed map before it goes into Airplane mode.

> My friend's path (lost in Dublin)
>was hilarious.
>
>> Regardless of the problem described here, I used OsmAnd+ on my hike in
>> the woods on Sunday and and I used Google maps, and Osm had two
>> advantages.
>
>I can see that it would be better off in the hinterlands. That's why I
>haven't deleted it. Hey, I MIGHT see another hinterland some day.

Until I start running out of storage, I don't see the problem with
having apps I don't use. I mentioned this when someone objected to
bloatware. It's not like the extra electrons are very heavy.

>> This was a hike without a trail, following a stream although not always
>> close to it. ... I hadn't started until 1PM so I lowered the
>> end point to 1.5 miles and it ended up taking 3 hours for that. Then I
>> took a Lyft back to my car.
>
>Ha. The one time I would have needed that we knocked on somebody's door
>and called my cousin's mom to come pick us up and take us back to where
>we'd parked.

I would have happily called your cousin's mom if I thought she would
come. But this is right in the dense suburbs and it took 5 minutes for
the Lyft to come and 5 minutes to get back to the car. It sounds so
yuppie-like but it worked well. $10.

In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 31 Oct 2021 00:26:32 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>>Before I had any GPS I wished that I'd had one (yes, they were
>>available, I just didn't have one)
>
>I didn't think of that.
>
>> so I could mark waypoints over weird
>>shit I saw out the plane window so I could find it on a map. Haven't
>
>You have to be one of the very few people I know who would do thatt.
>
>The first or second time I flew to Texas from Baltimore, I bought a map
>of the South East USA, but it wsn't detailed enough. The next time I
>bougth maps of Kentucky/Tennessee, Arkansas, and Texas. I saw that the
>plane flew north of the most direct line and was further north than I
>expected as it approached the Misssissippi. (I think it was over
>Kentucky) I also saw that something had changed since my map was
>printed, maybe 30 years earlier. I cant' remember now but it was big
>enough to be seen from the plane, maybe even a tributary's route, within
>far western Kentucky.

This might be it: Lake Barkley created in 1966, after damming the
Cumberland River. Even though it was the year 2000, my map could easily
have been from before 1966. I inherited my parents' road maps, some
from the 50's and I still use them. So it was a little confusing when
I could see the lake on the Tennessee River on the map, but not the
other one. But the shape of the lake I did see was convincing.

The rivers/lakes are as little as a mile apart at their north end.
>
>I also learned that the mississippi and other rivers have a more
>convoluted path than even I expected, curls to the right and curls to
>the left. The previous plane flight, I had seen the M..i, but it had so
>many curly-q's I thought it was a smaller river.
>
>Since then I haven't had a flight very suitable for comparing with a
>map.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]

> So google or other maps and GPS work well in a plane? I suppose you
> have to dl the detailed map before it goes into Airplane mode.

OsmAnd worked fine in a plane.

At one time we were on a flight from Australia to Singapore and the
plane did not have any flight-tracking displays. You could only use an
app on your phone and connect that to the plane's system. But for some
reason - I forget - I couldn't use that app.

So I just used OsmAnd with its 'World overview map' and that showed us
quite precisely where we were, how many kilometres we had flown and how
many more we had to go.

[...]

On 10/30/2021 9:26 PM, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 30 Oct 2021 11:59:46 -0700, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 10/30/2021 10:33 AM, micky wrote:
>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:04:09 +0200, "Carlos
>>> E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 26/10/2021 19.57, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> On 10/24/2021 05:34 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In addition, I am unable to find how to actually turn it off. I
>>>>> 'closed' it by swiping, but by 11 pm the battery was down to 9% and the
>>>>> phone shut down when I attempted to kill it. Info about which app did
>>>>> the dirty deed is, of course, gone.
>>>>>
>>>>> IS there a switch to actually turn iOSMand off, or do we have to kill it
>>>>> from the edit/info/uninstall function of the phone? That's an
>>>>> intolerable nuisance.
>>>>
>>>>I had no problem closing OsmAnd. I was using it yesterday, no battery
>>>>problems at all.
>>>>
>>>>You probably forgot to stop the track recording, that certainly
>>>>continues running if you close the app till you deactivate it. But in my
>>>>phone it leaves a permanent notification, which has a button to pause or
>>>>stop it.
>>>>
>>>>Track recording queries the GPS chip every 5 seconds by default.
>>>
>>> I gather that people save a track so they will know where they've been?
>>
>>For skiing, I want to know how fast I was going at a certain point. Not
>>so much any more. I don't think I'll ever hit 53.4 again :-(
>
> Maybe not. I dont' think I'll ever hit 20 again on a bicycle.

I'm almost 84. I don't think I'll ever hit 20 again.

--
Ken

On 10/30/2021 09:26 PM, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 30 Oct 2021 11:59:46 -0700, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 10/30/2021 10:33 AM, micky wrote:
>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:04:09 +0200, "Carlos
>>> E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 26/10/2021 19.57, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> On 10/24/2021 05:34 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In addition, I am unable to find how to actually turn it off. I
>>>>> 'closed' it by swiping, but by 11 pm the battery was down to 9% and the
>>>>> phone shut down when I attempted to kill it. Info about which app did
>>>>> the dirty deed is, of course, gone.
>>>>>
>>>>> IS there a switch to actually turn iOSMand off, or do we have to kill it
>>>>> from the edit/info/uninstall function of the phone? That's an
>>>>> intolerable nuisance.
>>>>
>>>>I had no problem closing OsmAnd. I was using it yesterday, no battery
>>>>problems at all.
>>>>
>>>>You probably forgot to stop the track recording, that certainly
>>>>continues running if you close the app till you deactivate it. But in my
>>>>phone it leaves a permanent notification, which has a button to pause or
>>>>stop it.
>>>>
>>>>Track recording queries the GPS chip every 5 seconds by default.
>>>
>>> I gather that people save a track so they will know where they've been?
>>
>>For skiing, I want to know how fast I was going at a certain point. Not
>>so much any more. I don't think I'll ever hit 53.4 again :-(
>
> Maybe not. I dont' think I'll ever hit 20 again on a bicycle.
>
>>Before I had any GPS I wished that I'd had one (yes, they were
>>available, I just didn't have one)
>
> I didn't think of that.
>
>> so I could mark waypoints over weird
>>shit I saw out the plane window so I could find it on a map. Haven't
>
> You have to be one of the very few people I know who would do thatt.

I fly so infrequently that I ALWAYS got a window seat so I could look
out at the ground. I saw huge numbers of "WTF is THAT?" things.
Natural gas fields were really weird. I saw a lot of N-S rivers, but I
never figured out which one was the Mississippi. What about those
mountains? TONS of stuff of interest.

When I flew down from San Jose I really wanted to watch for the San
Andreas fault. Unfortunately my seat-mate (total stranger) wanted to
chat and I didn't want to be rude. I was really stupid :-(

It would be even better now because of smartphones -- REAL TIME
IDENTIFICATION!

> So google or other maps and GPS work well in a plane? I suppose you
> have to dl the detailed map before it goes into Airplane mode.

Do they still do that? You can turn the GPS back on in Airplane mode.

I was under the impression that airplane mode was to prevent passengers'
phones from swamping the cell antennae on the ground.

>>> Regardless of the problem described here, I used OsmAnd+ on my hike in
>>> the woods on Sunday and and I used Google maps, and Osm had two
>>> advantages.
>>
>>I can see that it would be better off in the hinterlands. That's why I
>>haven't deleted it. Hey, I MIGHT see another hinterland some day.
>
> Until I start running out of storage, I don't see the problem with
> having apps I don't use. I mentioned this when someone objected to
> bloatware. It's not like the extra electrons are very heavy.

Phone memory is more expensive than micro sdcard memory. I blew the
extra $40 or so for the 128GB version of the Pixel2. It will take me a
long time to fill that up. Only half full now.

Mechanical internal HDs are more expensive than mechanical USB HDs
although the USB container contains a mechanical internal drive. Some
things just make no sense at all.

--
Cheers, Bev
Save the whales for dessert

In comp.mobile.android, on 31 Oct 2021 13:49:19 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>[...]
>
>> So google or other maps and GPS work well in a plane? I suppose you
>> have to dl the detailed map before it goes into Airplane mode.
>
> OsmAnd worked fine in a plane.
>
> At one time we were on a flight from Australia to Singapore and the
>plane did not have any flight-tracking displays. You could only use an
>app on your phone and connect that to the plane's system. But for some
>reason - I forget - I couldn't use that app.
>
> So I just used OsmAnd with its 'World overview map' and that showed us
>quite precisely where we were, how many kilometres we had flown and how
>many more we had to go.

That's great. I'm so glad you guys told me about the app. Looking
forward to going somewhere.

(During the middle of Corona, they had flights to nowhere, that landed
where they took off, for people who missed flying, but I dont' miss it
that much.)

>[...]

Ken, LOL Me neither, bicycle or not.

In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 31 Oct 2021 10:10:06 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 10/30/2021 09:26 PM, micky wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 30 Oct 2021 11:59:46 -0700, The Real Bev
>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 10/30/2021 10:33 AM, micky wrote:
>>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:04:09 +0200, "Carlos
>>>> E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 26/10/2021 19.57, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/24/2021 05:34 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition, I am unable to find how to actually turn it off. I
>>>>>> 'closed' it by swiping, but by 11 pm the battery was down to 9% and the
>>>>>> phone shut down when I attempted to kill it. Info about which app did
>>>>>> the dirty deed is, of course, gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IS there a switch to actually turn iOSMand off, or do we have to kill it
>>>>>> from the edit/info/uninstall function of the phone? That's an
>>>>>> intolerable nuisance.
>>>>>
>>>>>I had no problem closing OsmAnd. I was using it yesterday, no battery
>>>>>problems at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>You probably forgot to stop the track recording, that certainly
>>>>>continues running if you close the app till you deactivate it. But in my
>>>>>phone it leaves a permanent notification, which has a button to pause or
>>>>>stop it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Track recording queries the GPS chip every 5 seconds by default.
>>>>
>>>> I gather that people save a track so they will know where they've been?
>>>
>>>For skiing, I want to know how fast I was going at a certain point. Not
>>>so much any more. I don't think I'll ever hit 53.4 again :-(
>>
>> Maybe not. I dont' think I'll ever hit 20 again on a bicycle.
>>
>>>Before I had any GPS I wished that I'd had one (yes, they were
>>>available, I just didn't have one)
>>
>> I didn't think of that.
>>
>>> so I could mark waypoints over weird
>>>shit I saw out the plane window so I could find it on a map. Haven't
>>
>> You have to be one of the very few people I know who would do thatt.
>
>I fly so infrequently that I ALWAYS got a window seat so I could look
>out at the ground.

Me too. I never want to grow so old that I don't want to look out the
window. (I never want to have such a prostate problem that I have to
go to the head more than once a flight. IIRC I did for a while but I'm
past that now.)

> I saw huge numbers of "WTF is THAT?" things.
>Natural gas fields were really weird. I saw a lot of N-S rivers, but I
>never figured out which one was the Mississippi.

It's bigger than the others, but who knows how big that is supposed to
be when you're looking from a plane.

>What about those
>mountains? TONS of stuff of interest.
>
>When I flew down from San Jose I really wanted to watch for the San
>Andreas fault. Unfortunately my seat-mate (total stranger) wanted to
>chat and I didn't want to be rude. I was really stupid :-(

Well, you can look at Satellite view! No, not the same thing and I hear
Andreas is saying it's not his fault.

>It would be even better now because of smartphones -- REAL TIME
>IDENTIFICATION!
>
>> So google or other maps and GPS work well in a plane? I suppose you
>> have to dl the detailed map before it goes into Airplane mode.
>
>Do they still do that? You can turn the GPS back on in Airplane mode.

I've lost track of if they insist on airplane mode or not. I read
secondary stuff that they were goign to stop, but I have nothing from
any airline.

>I was under the impression that airplane mode was to prevent passengers'
>phones from swamping the cell antennae on the ground.

How could 300 passengers on a plane or 30,000 passengers on 100 planes
swam antennae more than 200,000 people who live on the ground? Or you
mean keep the crew from making cell calls. Still, what are 300
passengers, most of whom won't be on the phone?

Regardless, GPS doesn't use any cell tower, only the GPS satellites.
Unless you forgot to dl the detailed map in advance. So... you have
just reminded me that there are a few countries in Europe I should dl
the map for. One time on the way to Greece, I saw snow-capped
mountains, the Alps I think, but I had no idea what part of the Alps
(France, Italy, Austria, are there others? Are there other big
mountains?) No roads, no other landmarks, and then after less than 5
minutes we were in clouds.

Now I know from you and Frank that the cell phone and Osmand** will do a
much more precise job than that thing on the seat-back screen. **And
I'll try other apps too. Plenty of time to kill on a long flight.

>>>> Regardless of the problem described here, I used OsmAnd+ on my hike in
>>>> the woods on Sunday and and I used Google maps, and Osm had two
>>>> advantages.
>>>
>>>I can see that it would be better off in the hinterlands. That's why I
>>>haven't deleted it. Hey, I MIGHT see another hinterland some day.
>>
>> Until I start running out of storage, I don't see the problem with
>> having apps I don't use. I mentioned this when someone objected to
>> bloatware. It's not like the extra electrons are very heavy.
>
>Phone memory is more expensive than micro sdcard memory. I blew the
>extra $40 or so for the 128GB version of the Pixel2. It will take me a
>long time to fill that up. Only half full now.

Worth 40 to not fill up. I will move all my photos if I start to run
out of space.

>Mechanical internal HDs are more expensive than mechanical USB HDs
>although the USB container contains a mechanical internal drive. Some
>things just make no sense at all.

True, they don't.

On 10/31/2021 03:48 PM, micky wrote:

> (During the middle of Corona, they had flights to nowhere, that landed
> where they took off, for people who missed flying, but I dont' miss it
> that much.)

Right, with one exception: (1) It would have to be free; and (2) it
would be a 747 and the whole day would be just takeoffs from a standing
start and then landing as soon as possible. Repeat forever.

The only acceleration I've enjoyed even a fraction as much was from the
Superman ride at Magic Mountain and stomping on a Tesla "gas" pedal.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey
and car keys to teenage boys." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On 10/31/2021 04:03 PM, micky wrote:
> Ken, LOL Me neither, bicycle or not.
>
>
> In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 31 Oct 2021 10:10:06 -0700, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 10/30/2021 09:26 PM, micky wrote:
>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 30 Oct 2021 11:59:46 -0700, The Real Bev
>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 10/30/2021 10:33 AM, micky wrote:
>>>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:04:09 +0200, "Carlos
>>>>> E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 26/10/2021 19.57, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/24/2021 05:34 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In addition, I am unable to find how to actually turn it off. I
>>>>>>> 'closed' it by swiping, but by 11 pm the battery was down to 9% and the
>>>>>>> phone shut down when I attempted to kill it. Info about which app did
>>>>>>> the dirty deed is, of course, gone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IS there a switch to actually turn iOSMand off, or do we have to kill it
>>>>>>> from the edit/info/uninstall function of the phone? That's an
>>>>>>> intolerable nuisance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I had no problem closing OsmAnd. I was using it yesterday, no battery
>>>>>>problems at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You probably forgot to stop the track recording, that certainly
>>>>>>continues running if you close the app till you deactivate it. But in my
>>>>>>phone it leaves a permanent notification, which has a button to pause or
>>>>>>stop it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Track recording queries the GPS chip every 5 seconds by default.
>>>>>
>>>>> I gather that people save a track so they will know where they've been?
>>>>
>>>>For skiing, I want to know how fast I was going at a certain point. Not
>>>>so much any more. I don't think I'll ever hit 53.4 again :-(
>>>
>>> Maybe not. I dont' think I'll ever hit 20 again on a bicycle.
>>>
>>>>Before I had any GPS I wished that I'd had one (yes, they were
>>>>available, I just didn't have one)
>>>
>>> I didn't think of that.
>>>
>>>> so I could mark waypoints over weird
>>>>shit I saw out the plane window so I could find it on a map. Haven't
>>>
>>> You have to be one of the very few people I know who would do thatt.
>>
>>I fly so infrequently that I ALWAYS got a window seat so I could look
>>out at the ground.
>
> Me too. I never want to grow so old that I don't want to look out the
> window. (I never want to have such a prostate problem that I have to
> go to the head more than once a flight. IIRC I did for a while but I'm
> past that now.)
>
>> I saw huge numbers of "WTF is THAT?" things.
>>Natural gas fields were really weird. I saw a lot of N-S rivers, but I
>>never figured out which one was the Mississippi.
>
> It's bigger than the others, but who knows how big that is supposed to
> be when you're looking from a plane.
>
>>What about those
>>mountains? TONS of stuff of interest.
>>
>>When I flew down from San Jose I really wanted to watch for the San
>>Andreas fault. Unfortunately my seat-mate (total stranger) wanted to
>>chat and I didn't want to be rude. I was really stupid :-(
>
> Well, you can look at Satellite view! No, not the same thing and I hear
> Andreas is saying it's not his fault.
>
>>It would be even better now because of smartphones -- REAL TIME
>>IDENTIFICATION!
>>
>>> So google or other maps and GPS work well in a plane? I suppose you
>>> have to dl the detailed map before it goes into Airplane mode.
>>
>>Do they still do that? You can turn the GPS back on in Airplane mode.
>
> I've lost track of if they insist on airplane mode or not. I read
> secondary stuff that they were goign to stop, but I have nothing from
> any airline.
>
>>I was under the impression that airplane mode was to prevent passengers'
>>phones from swamping the cell antennae on the ground.
>
> How could 300 passengers on a plane or 30,000 passengers on 100 planes
> swam antennae more than 200,000 people who live on the ground? Or you
> mean keep the crew from making cell calls. Still, what are 300
> passengers, most of whom won't be on the phone?

The problem is that each passenger hits every tower horizon to horizon,
or thereabout. Or so I read. The writer could have been lying.

> Now I know from you and Frank that the cell phone and Osmand** will do a
> much more precise job than that thing on the seat-back screen. **And
> I'll try other apps too. Plenty of time to kill on a long flight.

They didn't have that when I flew. OTOH, they served real food sometimes.
>
>>>>> Regardless of the problem described here, I used OsmAnd+ on my hike in
>>>>> the woods on Sunday and and I used Google maps, and Osm had two
>>>>> advantages.
>>>>
>>>>I can see that it would be better off in the hinterlands. That's why I
>>>>haven't deleted it. Hey, I MIGHT see another hinterland some day.
>>>
>>> Until I start running out of storage, I don't see the problem with
>>> having apps I don't use. I mentioned this when someone objected to
>>> bloatware. It's not like the extra electrons are very heavy.
>>
>>Phone memory is more expensive than micro sdcard memory. I blew the
>>extra $40 or so for the 128GB version of the Pixel2. It will take me a
>>long time to fill that up. Only half full now.
>
> Worth 40 to not fill up. I will move all my photos if I start to run
> out of space.

I just keep the ones on my phone that I want to keep -- for no good
reason that I can think of. I upload them to my computer, edit them,
save the edits in a directory separate from the originals, and then
upload the edits to google photos for sharing -- and because they're
more nicely organized there.

Only 2 GB of photos. Not enough to worry about.

>>Mechanical internal HDs are more expensive than mechanical USB HDs
>>although the USB container contains a mechanical internal drive. Some
>>things just make no sense at all.
>
> True, they don't.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey
and car keys to teenage boys." -- P.J. O'Rourke