Was wondering if anyone is interested

We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers, which are
DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them

We are waiting for a shipping quote  and they will be here probably end
of October if anyone is going to want one

We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose over
here in the USA

Let me know if interested

David Turner

dturner-at-islandco-dot-com

On 8/8/2022 3:12 PM, David Turner wrote:
> Was wondering if anyone is interested
>
> We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers, which are DS10s
> (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
> They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>
> We are waiting for a shipping quote and they will be here probably end of
> October if anyone is going to want one
>
> We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose over here in the
> USA
>
> Let me know if interested
>
>
> David Turner
>
> dturner-at-islandco-dot-com
>

Interested ...

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On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 12:12:12 PM UTC-7, David Turner wrote:
> Was wondering if anyone is interested

I could be interested, though hopefully a low price.

Since I am a long way away, shipping might be most of the cost.

On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 12:12:12 PM UTC-7, David Turner wrote:
> Was wondering if anyone is interested
>
> We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers, which are
> DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
> They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>
> We are waiting for a shipping quote and they will be here probably end
> of October if anyone is going to want one
>
> We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose over
> here in the USA
>
> Let me know if interested
>
>
> David Turner
>
> dturner-at-islandco-dot-com

Interested as well.

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 4:56:16 PM UTC-7, robert...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 12:12:12 PM UTC-7, David Turner wrote:
> > Was wondering if anyone is interested
> >
> > We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers, which are
> > DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
> > They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
> >
> > We are waiting for a shipping quote and they will be here probably end
> > of October if anyone is going to want one
> >
> > We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose over
> > here in the USA
> >
> > Let me know if interested
> >
> >
> > David Turner
> >
> > dturner-at-islandco-dot-com
> Interested as well.

:raised hand:

On 8/8/22 12:12 PM, David Turner wrote:
> Was wondering if anyone is interested
>
> We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers, which are
> DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
> They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>
> We are waiting for a shipping quote  and they will be here probably end
> of October if anyone is going to want one
>
> We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose over
> here in the USA
>
> Let me know if interested

I certainly am! My XP1000 has reached the point where I'm afraid that
if I just open the case something else will break. It's been running
24/7 for 18 years and the plastic pieces will crumble if you look at
them.

Alan Frisbie

> Was wondering if anyone is interested

My first reaction was that I don't need more junk in my junk
collection, and, as I recall, memory for the DS10 was more exotic than
for, say, an XP1000, but...

> [...] all have almost new power supplies in them

The same can't be said for my (otherwise adequate) XP1000 collection.

So, depending on the actual cost (and, perhaps, the memory), I might
be interested in one or two.

On 8/8/2022 2:12 PM, David Turner wrote:
> Was wondering if anyone is interested
>
> We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers, which are DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
> They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>
> We are waiting for a shipping quote  and they will be here probably end of October if anyone is going to want one
>
> We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose over here in the USA
>
> Let me know if interested
>
>
> David Turner
>
> dturner-at-islandco-dot-com
>

I may be interested.

Dave, I'm curious if you know what model these are? DO they vary or are they the 466Mhz or the 617Mhz models? Are they consistently configured? That is, all with the same memory, hard drive, etc?

--
John H. Reinhardt

On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:12:12 PM UTC-5, David Turner wrote:
> Was wondering if anyone is interested
>
> We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers, which are
> DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
> They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>
> We are waiting for a shipping quote and they will be here probably end
> of October if anyone is going to want one
>
> We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose over
> here in the USA
>
> Let me know if interested
>
>
> David Turner
>
> dturner-at-islandco-dot-com

I may be interested.

They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations

On 8/10/2022 9:18 PM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
> On 8/8/2022 2:12 PM, David Turner wrote:
>> Was wondering if anyone is interested
>>
>> We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers, which
>> are DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
>> They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>>
>> We are waiting for a shipping quote  and they will be here probably
>> end of October if anyone is going to want one
>>
>> We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose over
>> here in the USA
>>
>> Let me know if interested
>>
>>
>> David Turner
>>
>> dturner-at-islandco-dot-com
>>
>
> I may be interested.
>
> Dave, I'm curious if you know what model these are?  DO they vary or
> are they the 466Mhz or the 617Mhz models?  Are they consistently
> configured?  That is, all with the same memory, hard drive, etc?
>

Den 2022-08-11 kl. 06:26, skrev David Turner:

> They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations

What does "workstations" imply here?
A DS10 is usually a "server"...

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 1:04:59 AM UTC-7, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2022-08-11 kl. 06:26, skrev David Turner:
>
> > They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations
> What does "workstations" imply here?
> A DS10 is usually a "server"...

Traditionally workstation means it has video output, and server means it doesn't.

As well as I know, video is on a PCI card.

Also, it seems that they come either IDE or SCSI.

On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 3:12:12 p.m. UTC-4, David Turner wrote:
> Was wondering if anyone is interested

Interested!

Me2.

On 8/11/2022 5:52 AM, gah4 wrote:
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 1:04:59 AM UTC-7, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Den 2022-08-11 kl. 06:26, skrev David Turner:
>>
>>> They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations
>> What does "workstations" imply here?
>> A DS10 is usually a "server"...
>
> Traditionally workstation means it has video output, and server means it doesn't.
>
> As well as I know, video is on a PCI card.
>
> Also, it seems that they come either IDE or SCSI.

"Workstation" in this case probably just means it has a video card. It
may also have a keyboard and mouse however (David?).

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 5:07:40 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:

(snip)

> "Workstation" in this case probably just means it has a video card. It
> may also have a keyboard and mouse however (David?).

As far as I know, the mouse and keyboard port are built-in.
Whether the mouse and keyboard are included, I don't know.

But video board is optional.

On 8/14/2022 1:28 AM, gah4 wrote:
> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 5:07:40 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>> "Workstation" in this case probably just means it has a video card. It
>> may also have a keyboard and mouse however (David?).
>
> As far as I know, the mouse and keyboard port are built-in.
> Whether the mouse and keyboard are included, I don't know.
>
> But video board is optional.

I just reread David's original post and he doesn't mention "workstation"
at all, in fact he calls them servers. I'm not sure where "workstation"
came from. So I'll guess the answer to my question whether they come
with a keyboard and mouse will be no.

Many Alpha systems were PC based and had plugs for a keyboard/mouse
built in so it only took a video board and the external hardware to make
it into a workstation.

Den 2022-08-15 kl. 16:23, skrev Michael Moroney:
> On 8/14/2022 1:28 AM, gah4 wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 5:07:40 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>>> "Workstation" in this case probably just means it has a video card. It
>>> may also have a keyboard and mouse however (David?).
>>
>> As far as I know, the mouse and keyboard port are built-in.
>> Whether the mouse and keyboard are included, I don't know.
>>
>> But video board is optional.
>
> I just reread David's original post and he doesn't mention "workstation" at
> all, in fact he calls them servers. I'm not sure where "workstation" came
> from. So I'll guess the answer to my question whether they come with a
> keyboard and mouse will be no.
>
> Many Alpha systems were PC based and had plugs for a keyboard/mouse built
> in so it only took a video board and the external hardware to make it into
> a workstation.

It is not enough to just read the original post.

At 11 Aug John Reinhardt asked:

"Dave, I'm curious if you know what model these are? DO they vary or are
they the 466Mhz or the 617Mhz models? Are they consistently configured?
That is, all with the same memory, hard drive, etc?"

And David responded same day:

"They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations"

And that was why I posted a question about it...

In article <hWSdnXqQLpZ6wmz_nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@supernews.com>, David Turner <dturner@islandco.com> writes:
>Was wondering if anyone is interested
>
>We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers, which are
>DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
>They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>
>We are waiting for a shipping quote  and they will be here probably end
>of October if anyone is going to want one
>
>We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose over
>here in the USA
>
>Let me know if interested

INTERESTED!!!

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I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

On 08/08/2022 20:12, David Turner wrote:
> Was wondering if anyone is interested
>
> We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers, which are
> DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
> They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>
> We are waiting for a shipping quote  and they will be here probably end
> of October if anyone is going to want one
>
> We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose over
> here in the USA
>
> Let me know if interested
>
>
> David Turner
>
> dturner-at-islandco-dot-com
>

Thanks for the invite!

Do you have DEC/CPQ part numbers for these boxes ?

*If* these are standard issue DEC/CPQ part numbers, an archived
Quickspec for the DS10 family can currently be found at e.g.

https://www.hpe.com/psnow/doc/c04282775

The reason I say *if* is, if I remember rightly, a substantial number of
Alpha boxes were sold into air traffic control in Europe by DEC's CSS
group, and may not quite match the config of standard DS10 systems +
options.

The ones I was aware of were in Europe - are (some of) these boxes
coming to you from Europe, and if so, is there sufficient interest in
Europe to make special arrangements for your customers in Europe? (ie do
they need to be shipped from Europe to the USA and back again).

Meanwhile, other DS10 documentation (server and workstation) can be
found via e.g.

http://adp.gomtuu.net/compaq/alphaserver_ds10-doc.html

Some folk may even remember Matti Patari's "Golden Eggs" configuration
aids, archives of the DEC-centric stuff (including DS10) can be found
around the interweb.

Depending on the price, I might be interested (hobbyist use).

Enjoy.

David Turner schrieb am 11.08.2022 um 06:26:
> On 8/10/2022 9:18 PM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
>> On 8/8/2022 2:12 PM, David Turner wrote:
>>> Was wondering if anyone is interested
>>>
>>> We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers, which
>>> are DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
>>> They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>>>
>>> We are waiting for a shipping quote  and they will be here probably
>>> end of October if anyone is going to want one
>>>
>>> We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose over
>>> here in the USA
>>>
>>> Let me know if interested
>>>
>>>
>>> David Turner
>>>
>>> dturner-at-islandco-dot-com
>>>
>>
>> I may be interested.
>>
>> Dave, I'm curious if you know what model these are?  DO they vary or
>> are they the 466Mhz or the 617Mhz models?  Are they consistently
>> configured?  That is, all with the same memory, hard drive, etc?
>
>
> They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations

I might be interested depending on shipping cost. How much is shipping
to Europe?

Hans.

Am 16.08.2022 um 23:14 schrieb Hans Bachner:
> David Turner schrieb am 11.08.2022 um 06:26:
>> On 8/10/2022 9:18 PM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
>>> On 8/8/2022 2:12 PM, David Turner wrote:
>>>> Was wondering if anyone is interested
>>>>
>>>> We just purchased the majority of Air Traffic control servers, which
>>>> are DS10s (being replaced with laptops I shit you not!)
>>>> They all work and all have almost new power supplies in them
>>>>
>>>> We are waiting for a shipping quote  and they will be here probably
>>>> end of October if anyone is going to want one
>>>>
>>>> We will charge the shipping fee plus the cost to let them loose over
>>>> here in the USA
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if interested
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Turner
>>>>
>>>> dturner-at-islandco-dot-com
>>>>
>>>
>>> I may be interested.
>>>
>>> Dave, I'm curious if you know what model these are?  DO they vary or
>>> are they the 466Mhz or the 617Mhz models?  Are they consistently
>>> configured?  That is, all with the same memory, hard drive, etc?
> >
> >
> > They all have minimum 512MB and are 617Mhz workstations
>
> I might be interested depending on shipping cost. How much is shipping
> to Europe?
>
> Hans.
I am also interested and located in Germany, so I have the same question.

Norbert

The workstation simply is a name. The server and workstation is identical
Now typically a workstation would have had the ELSA Gloria or 3DLabs
card and a keyboard+Mouse

I can provide these at extra cost of course
Shipping is getting horrendously expensive. Sometimes Fedex gives us
special rates based on loading that week, so if we tell you
a shipping cost, it is specific to the dat or week quoted

The servers/workstations are

DH-73BAA-AA or DH-74BAA-AA base server
3X-MS310-DA 512MB memory
On Board Dual 10/100
On Board Dual Serial, Parallel, ATAPI
CDROM Full sized

Options we can provide are U2 or U160 SCSI controller, 1GB Ethernet

These are good old bog-standard DS10s . We are still trying to arrange
collection from our source. Getting a lot of hell
from shipping companies not wanting to quote less than a container so we
will keep you all posted

David

On 8/14/2022 1:28 AM, gah4 wrote:
> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 5:07:40 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>> "Workstation" in this case probably just means it has a video card. It
>> may also have a keyboard and mouse however (David?).
> As far as I know, the mouse and keyboard port are built-in.
> Whether the mouse and keyboard are included, I don't know.
>
> But video board is optional.

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 2:53:55 AM UTC-7, David Turner wrote:

(snip)
> I can provide these at extra cost of course
> Shipping is getting horrendously expensive. Sometimes Fedex gives us
> special rates based on loading that week, so if we tell you
> a shipping cost, it is specific to the dat or week quoted

It seems that shipping companies are using a fuel surcharge based on the
weekly fuel cost. If fuel prices keep going down, shipping might also.

In the perfect world yes
But remember these companies claim they hedge their purchases for fuel
months in advance
I call BS but that is their claim. I have never seen a fuel surcharge go
down. Only up

;0(

DT

On 8/17/2022 6:56 PM, gah4 wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 2:53:55 AM UTC-7, David Turner wrote:
>
> (snip)
>> I can provide these at extra cost of course
>> Shipping is getting horrendously expensive. Sometimes Fedex gives us
>> special rates based on loading that week, so if we tell you
>> a shipping cost, it is specific to the dat or week quoted
> It seems that shipping companies are using a fuel surcharge based on the
> weekly fuel cost. If fuel prices keep going down, shipping might also.
>
>

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 6:21:53 PM UTC-7, David Turner wrote:
> In the perfect world yes
> But remember these companies claim they hedge their purchases for fuel
> months in advance
> I call BS but that is their claim. I have never seen a fuel surcharge go
> down. Only up

This one:

https://www.fedex.com/en-us/shipping/fuel-surcharge.html

is supposed to explain how FedEx does it.