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* somethings about headers?Dale
+* Re: somethings about headers?Sam Hill
|+* Re: somethings about headers?Dale
||`- Re: somethings about headers?Sam Hill
|`* Re: somethings about headers?Stefan Ram
| `- Re: somethings about headers?Sam Hill
+* Re: somethings about headers?Arno Welzel
|`* Re: somethings about headers?Philip Herlihy
| `* Re: somethings about headers?Lewis
|  `* Re: somethings about headers?Philip Herlihy
|   `* Re: somethings about headers?Dale
|    `* Re: somethings about headers?Philip Herlihy
|     `* Re: somethings about headers?Dale
|      `* Re: somethings about headers?Arno Welzel
|       `- Re: somethings about headers?Lewis
+* Re: somethings about headers?Jukka K. Korpela
|`- Re: somethings about headers?Dale
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From: dal...@dalekelly.org (Dale)
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 by: Dale - Tue, 10 May 2022 09:43 UTC

Here is a header ...

<h2>Text</h2>

how do I have it not bold?

the default is bold

Here is a colored header ...

<h2 style="color: #818285;">Text</h2>

how do I have that one bold?

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 by: Sam Hill - Tue, 10 May 2022 11:54 UTC

On Tue, 10 May 2022 05:43:23 -0400, Dale wrote:

> Here is a header ...
> <h2>Text</h2>
> how do I have it not bold?

If it's not to be bold, it is probably not a "header". Use something else,
maybe: <p>This is not bold text.</p>

> the default is bold
> Here is a colored header ...
> <h2 style="color: #818285;">Text</h2>
> how do I have that one bold?

The default _is_ bold, so let it be. I think you need to rethink what
"headers" really are.

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 by: Arno Welzel - Tue, 10 May 2022 12:26 UTC

Dale:

> Here is a header ...
>
> <h2>Text</h2>
>
> how do I have it not bold?
>
> the default is bold

By adding the required style as CSS:

font-weight: normal

> Here is a colored header ...
>
> <h2 style="color: #818285;">Text</h2>
>
> how do I have that one bold?

By adding the required style as CSS:

font-weight: bold

I'm curious - you managed to learn how to add a style inline but you
don't know about font attributes? Maybe you should at least read some
documentation about HTML and CSS at all.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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 by: Jukka K. Korpela - Tue, 10 May 2022 15:44 UTC

Dale wrote:

> Here is a header ...
>
> <h2>Text</h2>

It’s called “heading”.

> how do I have it not bold?

By using CSS:

<style>
h2 { font-weight: normal }
</style>

This makes all h2 elements not bold.

> Here is a colored header ...
>
> <h2 style="color: #818285;">Text</h2>
>
> how do I have that one bold?

If you use the CSS code I suggested, you need to override it. You can
use various selectors to select one specific h2 element, but if you are
using inline CSS anyway (not recommended in general), you might as well
use it for this:

<h2 style="color: #818285; font-weight: bold;">Text</h2>

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 by: Lewis - Tue, 10 May 2022 16:00 UTC

In message <t5dc3k$jdh$1@dont-email.me> Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:

> Here is a header ...

> <h2>Text</h2>

> how do I have it not bold?

CSS is your friend.

(we have covered this before).

All HTML tags have a default CSS associated with them. The h# tags have
a default style of bold. As with anything else in HTML, you can use CSS
to change these defaults.

--
I am by nature made for my own good, not my own evil

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 by: Dale - Tue, 10 May 2022 16:20 UTC

On 5/10/2022 11:44 AM, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>
>> Here is a header ...
>>
>> <h2>Text</h2>
>
> It’s called “heading”.
>
>> how do I have it not bold?
>
> By using CSS:
>
> <style>
> h2 { font-weight: normal }
> </style>
>
> This makes all h2 elements not bold.
>
>> Here is a colored header ...
>>
>> <h2 style="color: #818285;">Text</h2>
>>
>> how do I have that one bold?
>
> If you use the CSS code I suggested, you need to override it. You can
> use various selectors to select one specific h2 element, but if you are
> using inline CSS anyway (not recommended in general), you might as well
> use it for this:
>
> <h2 style="color: #818285; font-weight: bold;">Text</h2>
>

Thank You !!!!

--
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 by: Dale - Tue, 10 May 2022 16:20 UTC

On 5/10/2022 7:54 AM, Sam Hill wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2022 05:43:23 -0400, Dale wrote:
>
>> Here is a header ...
>> <h2>Text</h2>
>> how do I have it not bold?
>
> If it's not to be bold, it is probably not a "header". Use something else,
> maybe: <p>This is not bold text.</p>
>
>> the default is bold
>> Here is a colored header ...
>> <h2 style="color: #818285;">Text</h2>
>> how do I have that one bold?
>
> The default _is_ bold, so let it be. I think you need to rethink what
> "headers" really are.

how can I change the size of a <p> ?

--
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 by: Sam Hill - Tue, 10 May 2022 17:52 UTC

On Tue, 10 May 2022 12:20:52 -0400, Dale wrote:

>> The default _is_ bold, so let it be. I think you need to rethink what
>> "headers" really are.
>
> how can I change the size of a <p> ?

If that was the first thing that came to your mind, I think you need to
step back from the CSS and instead concentrate on how to plan a document
and its parts.

[Excerpt:]

<h1>Title of my Book</h1>
<h2>Chapter One</h2>
<p>The opening paragraph starts us here. Several sentences.</p>
<p>A second paragraph, probably same quantity of text.</p>
<p>Maybe even a third...</p>

<h2>Chapter Two</h2>
<p>More paragraphs...</p>
....

You don't choose the HTML element for its size, but for its job. Once you
have the above in control, visit here:
https://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp

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 by: Stefan Ram - Wed, 11 May 2022 02:21 UTC

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[header->heading]

Sam Hill <sam@example.com> writes:
>If it's not to be bold, it is probably not a "header". Use something else,
>maybe: <p>This is not bold text.</p>

There is no reason why headings need to be bold. There are enough
other ways to make clear that something is a heading, for example
vertical spacing.

>The default _is_ bold, so let it be. I think you need to rethink what
>"headers" really are.

No, _you_ need to open your mind to the many ways headings can be
formatted.

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 by: Sam Hill - Wed, 11 May 2022 02:42 UTC

On Wed, 11 May 2022 02:21:56 +0000, Stefan Ram wrote:

> No, _you_ need to open your mind to the many ways headings can be
> formatted.

No, that is what _I_ said. You can't use it, too.

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 by: Philip Herlihy - Wed, 11 May 2022 09:48 UTC

In article <jdv3vfFq1u3U1@mid.individual.net>, Arno Welzel wrote...
>
> Dale:
>
> > Here is a header ...
> >
> > <h2>Text</h2>
> >
> > how do I have it not bold?
> >

....
>
> ... Maybe you should at least read some
> documentation about HTML and CSS at all.

+1

--

Phil, London

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 by: Lewis - Thu, 12 May 2022 05:42 UTC

In message <MPG.3ce596bcbd4a31a69899eb@news.eternal-september.org> Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
> In article <jdv3vfFq1u3U1@mid.individual.net>, Arno Welzel wrote...
>>
>> Dale:
>>
>> > Here is a header ...
>> >
>> > <h2>Text</h2>
>> >
>> > how do I have it not bold?
>> >

> ...
>>
>> ... Maybe you should at least read some
>> documentation about HTML and CSS at all.

>+1

It's been years, he's obviously not going to do that.

--
No taxation without misrepresentation.

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 by: Philip Herlihy - Thu, 12 May 2022 10:08 UTC

In article <slrnt7p7in.1a1v.g.kreme@zephyrus.local>, Lewis wrote...
>
> In message <MPG.3ce596bcbd4a31a69899eb@news.eternal-september.org> Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <jdv3vfFq1u3U1@mid.individual.net>, Arno Welzel wrote...
> >>
> >> Dale:
> >>
> >> > Here is a header ...
> >> >
> >> > <h2>Text</h2>
> >> >
> >> > how do I have it not bold?
> >> >
>
> > ...
> >>
> >> ... Maybe you should at least read some
> >> documentation about HTML and CSS at all.
>
> >+1
>
> It's been years, he's obviously not going to do that.

For the killfile, then, sadly. I'm quite happy to help a beginner along - very
often a thoughtful explanation of something you'd forgotten you once puzzled
over can unblock progress. But spoon-feeding is something else. And it's
still feasible he's a troll, asking ever-more stupid questions and laughing at
our attempts to answer them.

--

Phil, London

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 by: Dale - Thu, 12 May 2022 16:15 UTC

On 5/12/2022 6:08 AM, Philip Herlihy wrote:
> In article <slrnt7p7in.1a1v.g.kreme@zephyrus.local>, Lewis wrote...
>>
>> In message <MPG.3ce596bcbd4a31a69899eb@news.eternal-september.org> Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <jdv3vfFq1u3U1@mid.individual.net>, Arno Welzel wrote...
>>>>
>>>> Dale:
>>>>
>>>>> Here is a header ...
>>>>>
>>>>> <h2>Text</h2>
>>>>>
>>>>> how do I have it not bold?
>>>>>
>>
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> ... Maybe you should at least read some
>>>> documentation about HTML and CSS at all.
>>
>>> +1
>>
>> It's been years, he's obviously not going to do that.
>
> For the killfile, then, sadly. I'm quite happy to help a beginner along - very
> often a thoughtful explanation of something you'd forgotten you once puzzled
> over can unblock progress. But spoon-feeding is something else. And it's
> still feasible he's a troll, asking ever-more stupid questions and laughing at
> our attempts to answer them.
>

C'mon ...

--
Mystery? -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

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 by: Philip Herlihy - Fri, 13 May 2022 11:02 UTC

In article <t5jbrb$nq0$2@dont-email.me>, Dale wrote...
>
> On 5/12/2022 6:08 AM, Philip Herlihy wrote:
> > In article <slrnt7p7in.1a1v.g.kreme@zephyrus.local>, Lewis wrote...
> >>
> >> In message <MPG.3ce596bcbd4a31a69899eb@news.eternal-september.org> Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
> >>> In article <jdv3vfFq1u3U1@mid.individual.net>, Arno Welzel wrote...
> >>>>
> >>>> Dale:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Here is a header ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <h2>Text</h2>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> how do I have it not bold?
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>> ... Maybe you should at least read some
> >>>> documentation about HTML and CSS at all.
> >>
> >>> +1
> >>
> >> It's been years, he's obviously not going to do that.
> >
> > For the killfile, then, sadly. I'm quite happy to help a beginner along - very
> > often a thoughtful explanation of something you'd forgotten you once puzzled
> > over can unblock progress. But spoon-feeding is something else. And it's
> > still feasible he's a troll, asking ever-more stupid questions and laughing at
> > our attempts to answer them.
> >
>
> C'mon ...

It's clear from the question above that you haven't read even a beginner's book
on CSS (assuming you're genuine, which I can't). That's just wasting
everyone's time.

If I'm wrong and you are genuine, and books (like the ones I posted for you in
a previous thread) aren't your thing, then try searching YouTube for "CSS
beginner tutorial".

But if books really aren't your thing, this likely isn't the field for you.

--

Phil, London

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 by: Dale - Fri, 13 May 2022 21:34 UTC

On 5/13/2022 7:02 AM, Philip Herlihy wrote:
> In article <t5jbrb$nq0$2@dont-email.me>, Dale wrote...
>>
>> On 5/12/2022 6:08 AM, Philip Herlihy wrote:
>>> In article <slrnt7p7in.1a1v.g.kreme@zephyrus.local>, Lewis wrote...
>>>>
>>>> In message <MPG.3ce596bcbd4a31a69899eb@news.eternal-september.org> Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> In article <jdv3vfFq1u3U1@mid.individual.net>, Arno Welzel wrote...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dale:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is a header ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <h2>Text</h2>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> how do I have it not bold?
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... Maybe you should at least read some
>>>>>> documentation about HTML and CSS at all.
>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> It's been years, he's obviously not going to do that.
>>>
>>> For the killfile, then, sadly. I'm quite happy to help a beginner along - very
>>> often a thoughtful explanation of something you'd forgotten you once puzzled
>>> over can unblock progress. But spoon-feeding is something else. And it's
>>> still feasible he's a troll, asking ever-more stupid questions and laughing at
>>> our attempts to answer them.
>>>
>>
>> C'mon ...
>
> It's clear from the question above that you haven't read even a beginner's book
> on CSS (assuming you're genuine, which I can't). That's just wasting
> everyone's time.
>
> If I'm wrong and you are genuine, and books (like the ones I posted for you in
> a previous thread) aren't your thing, then try searching YouTube for "CSS
> beginner tutorial".
>
> But if books really aren't your thing, this likely isn't the field for you.
>

I'm more of a systems person than a programmer

USENET groups are such a nice source ...

I'll try to do a WWW search first

why read a book when you have access to "the information superhighway" ?

w3schools is pretty good

I have been hacking at HTML since the mid 90's

back then w3c.org was a better school source than w3.org

w3.org had a lot of "Pop ups" when I was there, this is called w3schools
now and is good

I think w3c.org doesn't have school any more

CSS is a rather new thing for me

--
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 by: Arno Welzel - Sun, 15 May 2022 11:49 UTC

Dale:

[...]
> CSS is a rather new thing for me

<https://www.mygreatlearning.com/blog/css-tutorial/>

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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 by: Lewis - Mon, 16 May 2022 07:05 UTC

In message <jec7lgFb0tlU1@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> Dale:

> [...]
>> CSS is a rather new thing for me

Because you've been actively avoiding it. CSS2 has been around since
1998.

> <https://www.mygreatlearning.com/blog/css-tutorial/>

that' not bad, though I prefer practical tutorials of describe a problem
and show how to solve it and what the solution means.

--
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ONE CHANCE. 'Oh,' said the Bursar, intensely relieved. 'Oh dear.
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