On 2023-05-18, Michael <michael@spamcop.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 May 2023 19:35:30 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> yep.
>
> All you have are lies

Pure projection from a nym-switching, name-spoofing, lying turd.

> I'm not responding to...

If only.

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Michael <michael@spamcop.com> wrote:
>
> I know what it does as iFixIt has reported extensively on what Apple did.
> You lied.
>

So, how does iFixit “know what Apple did”? More importantly, how does
iFixit know WHY Apple did whatever Apple allegedly did?

Where is your link for all of this? Funny how you demand “backup links”
for the “lies” of others, yet you spew absurd claims without any “backup
links”.

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2023-05-17, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <5tnejjxtof.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And the EU is going to force Apple to be serious with USB-C, meaning
>>>> that it has to be fully compatible with the standard, not Apple's
>>>> own version of it.
>>>
>>> that's nothing more than a conspiracy theory.
>>
>> Time will tell.
>>
>>> apple is not creating their own version of usb-c.
>>
>> You nor anyone else outside of Apple knows that.
>
> And you nor anyone else outside of Apple knows they are limiting USB-C.
> See how that works, Sparky?

The rumours are seemingly as credible as other rumours which have come
true. It's absolutely reasonable to discuss the issue.

Waving it away as categorically not happening based on nothing is simply
arrogant.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-05-17 10:36, Chris wrote:
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <5tnejjxtof.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And the EU is going to force Apple to be serious with USB-C, meaning
>>>> that it has to be fully compatible with the standard, not Apple's own
>>>> version of it.
>>>
>>> that's nothing more than a conspiracy theory.
>>
>> Time will tell.
>>
>>> apple is not creating their own version of usb-c.
>>
>> You nor anyone else outside of Apple knows that.
>>
>>
>
> Yet not knowing it, you uncritically accept that they are.

I am not. I'm simply prepared to acknowledge the rumour.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <v1qfjjxnnp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>> The letter of warning from the EU official to Apple is a fact.
>>>
>>> it means absolutely nothing, and the eu is technically ignorant.
>>
>> LOL.
>
> yes, the eu is laughable.

I wouldn't expect an american to understand. Regulation is a good thing.

>> It doesn't matter, if they ban Apple products.
>
> they're not going to ban apple products.

They would if they didn't comply. Apple knows this which is why they're
complying. MS found out the hard way how sharp the EU regulator's teeth
are.

Am 17.05.23 um 23:20 schrieb Jolly Roger:
> On 2023-05-17, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 17.05.23 um 17:19 schrieb Tim+:
>>> On Wed, 17 May 2023 09:48:01 -0400, nospam wrote:
>>>
>>>> it was done because many cables, chargers and accessories caused
>>>> damage to the device.
>>>
>>> Every time Apple shoves another stick up its customer's ass, Apple
>>> smiles sweetly telling its customers "Relax, stop moaning, we shoved
>>> that MFI stick up your ass for your own good" (which the "mean EU"
>>> has figured out).
>>
>> The EU will enforce the law. It is that simple. Apple better complies.
>
> There isn't any evidence that Apple ever planned not to comply in the
> first place. : )

YEP. Fabricated stories.

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Am 17.05.23 um 23:29 schrieb Alan:
> On 2023-05-17 14:01, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 17.05.23 um 21:46 schrieb Alan:
>>> On 2023-05-17 12:21, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> The letter of warning from the EU official to Apple is a fact.
>>>
>>> But the letter admits that it is based on unsubstantiated rumours.
>>
>> Bullshit!
>> The EU made clear what it would consider a circumvention of the law. The
>> EU never works on rumours.
>>
>>
>
> And you know that...
>
> ...how?

Who has more pull?

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Am 17.05.23 um 23:19 schrieb nospam:
> In article <u43fk6$4pal$7@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
> wrote:
>
>> The EU will enforce
>> the law and it made clear what it considers a circumvention.
>
> nobody said otherwise.
>
> the problem is people are *assuming* without evidence that apple will
> intentionally circumvent what the eu imposes on the world.

Correct.

> nearly a decade of apple's usb-c products and 25 years of apple's usb-a
> products show that apple is fully compliant with the usb spec, without
> any custom version.

I never claimed otherwise. Once more journalists are fabricating stories
to increase the circulation or the number of clicks.

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Am 17.05.23 um 23:57 schrieb Bob Campbell:
> Ilya Kraskov <Ilyanospam123Kraskov123@gomail.com.ua> wrote:
>
>> Apple intentionally circumvents laws all the time.
>>
>> Like when Apple throttled batteries where Apple lied for years about why
>> they did it and why they changed the release notes & why they lied about
>> that too until Apple finally had to settle cases at the cost of billions.
>>
>> It's what Apple is.
>
> Arlen sock puppets, spewing Arlen Facts. It’s what “Ilya Kraskov” is.

Headers and style tell a different story.

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Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 17.05.23 um 23:19 schrieb nospam:
>> In article <u43fk6$4pal$7@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The EU will enforce
>>> the law and it made clear what it considers a circumvention.
>>
>> nobody said otherwise.
>>
>> the problem is people are *assuming* without evidence that apple will
>> intentionally circumvent what the eu imposes on the world.
>
> Correct.
>
>> nearly a decade of apple's usb-c products and 25 years of apple's usb-a
>> products show that apple is fully compliant with the usb spec, without
>> any custom version.
>
> I never claimed otherwise. Once more journalists are fabricating stories
> to increase the circulation or the number of clicks.

Thing is we'll never know if Apple changed their mind following the
response to the rumours. It is reasonable for the rumours to be published,
however.

On 2023-05-17 23:58, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 17.05.23 um 23:29 schrieb Alan:
>> On 2023-05-17 14:01, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 17.05.23 um 21:46 schrieb Alan:
>>>> On 2023-05-17 12:21, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> The letter of warning from the EU official to Apple is a fact.
>>>>
>>>> But the letter admits that it is based on unsubstantiated rumours.
>>>
>>> Bullshit!
>>> The EU made clear what it would consider a circumvention of the law. The
>>> EU never works on rumours.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And you know that...
>>
>> ...how?
>
> Who has more pull?
>

How does that answer my question?

On 2023-05-18 08:42, Chris wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <v1qfjjxnnp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The letter of warning from the EU official to Apple is a fact.
>>>>
>>>> it means absolutely nothing, and the eu is technically ignorant.
>>>
>>> LOL.
>>
>> yes, the eu is laughable.
>
> I wouldn't expect an american to understand. Regulation is a good thing.
>
>>> It doesn't matter, if they ban Apple products.
>>
>> they're not going to ban apple products.
>
> They would if they didn't comply. Apple knows this which is why they're
> complying. MS found out the hard way how sharp the EU regulator's teeth
> are.

Indeed.

If only they were faster.

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"Michael" <michael@spamcop.com> wrote

| Why did you lie?
|

Nospam is not a liar. He's a compulsive arguer and extreme
devotee of Apple. If you fall for his endless arguments you'll
have only yourself to blame.

But nospam does have an uncanny
knack for sounding like he knows what he's talking about.
He speaks with authority, avoids details, and switches topics
in a way that makes him seem believable. I've seen bickering
threads go on with over 100 posts in the photo group, all
because people can't resist arguing with nospam. :)

On 2023-05-18 13:33, Newyana2 wrote:
> "Michael" <michael@spamcop.com> wrote
>
> | Why did you lie?
> |
>
> Nospam is not a liar. He's a compulsive arguer and extreme
> devotee of Apple. If you fall for his endless arguments you'll
> have only yourself to blame.
>
> But nospam does have an uncanny
> knack for sounding like he knows what he's talking about.
> He speaks with authority, avoids details, and switches topics
> in a way that makes him seem believable. I've seen bickering
> threads go on with over 100 posts in the photo group, all
> because people can't resist arguing with nospam. :)

Aye.

And then, we don't know where is Arlen, so anybody is at risk of being
accused of being Arlen!

X-D

--
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In article <u44h3b$6s5r$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >>>> And the EU is going to force Apple to be serious with USB-C, meaning
> >>>> that it has to be fully compatible with the standard, not Apple's
> >>>> own version of it.
> >>>
> >>> that's nothing more than a conspiracy theory.
> >>
> >> Time will tell.
> >>
> >>> apple is not creating their own version of usb-c.
> >>
> >> You nor anyone else outside of Apple knows that.
> >
> > And you nor anyone else outside of Apple knows they are limiting USB-C.
> > See how that works, Sparky?
>
> The rumours are seemingly as credible as other rumours which have come
> true. It's absolutely reasonable to discuss the issue.

rumours of an apple-only version of usb-c are not credible. full stop.

in the past eight years, apple has not deviated from the official usb
spec. had they done that, it could not be called usb, and further, the
official usb spec provides for what is being claimed apple will do that
would violate the spec.

> Waving it away as categorically not happening based on nothing is simply
> arrogant.

wrong.

it's being waved away because it's baseless and stupid.

In article <u44hco$6t10$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >>>> The letter of warning from the EU official to Apple is a fact.
> >>>
> >>> it means absolutely nothing, and the eu is technically ignorant.
> >>
> >> LOL.
> >
> > yes, the eu is laughable.
>
> I wouldn't expect an american to understand. Regulation is a good thing.

sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't, which has nothing to do with
one's nationality or the eu in particular.

the problem is when a regulations are based on politics instead of
actual facts, especially ones regulators do not understand.

as is often the case, such decisions are made to further one's own
career rather than what is best for society.

> >> It doesn't matter, if they ban Apple products.
> >
> > they're not going to ban apple products.
>
> They would if they didn't comply. Apple knows this which is why they're
> complying.

no, apple is complying because there is no reason not to.

what possible benefit would there be in an apple-only version of usb-c,
which could not be called usb and would be incompatible with zillions
of usb devices?

> MS found out the hard way how sharp the EU regulator's teeth
> are.

different issue entirely.

In article <u44kj4$76io$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Thing is we'll never know if Apple changed their mind following the
> response to the rumours.

the iphone product cycle is *long* (3-4 years), which means the
decision for iphones to move to usb-c was made well before the eu
decided to mandate it and before any rumours of a custom version of the
spec surfaced, most likely in 2020.

but the bigger question is if apple wanted to create their own version
of usb-c, why haven't they done so in the past eight years with
macbooks and ipads?

btw, that's a very big clue as to what is likely to happen with the
next iphone.

> It is reasonable for the rumours to be published,
> however.

they're published because they get the clicks and make money for the
publishers. people love a good conspiracy theory, so why not publish
them.

as it turns out, many of them have little basis in reality and are
nothing more than ignorant apple bashing.

On 2023-05-18 14:01, nospam wrote:
> In article <u44hco$6t10$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>>> The letter of warning from the EU official to Apple is a fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> it means absolutely nothing, and the eu is technically ignorant.
>>>>
>>>> LOL.
>>>
>>> yes, the eu is laughable.
>>
>> I wouldn't expect an american to understand. Regulation is a good thing.
>
> sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't, which has nothing to do with
> one's nationality or the eu in particular.
>
> the problem is when a regulations are based on politics instead of
> actual facts, especially ones regulators do not understand.
>
> as is often the case, such decisions are made to further one's own
> career rather than what is best for society.

Oh, but this regulation is very good for our society. We love it.

>
>>>> It doesn't matter, if they ban Apple products.
>>>
>>> they're not going to ban apple products.
>>
>> They would if they didn't comply. Apple knows this which is why they're
>> complying.
>
> no, apple is complying because there is no reason not to.
>
> what possible benefit would there be in an apple-only version of usb-c,
> which could not be called usb and would be incompatible with zillions
> of usb devices?

Money.

>
>> MS found out the hard way how sharp the EU regulator's teeth
>> are.
>
> different issue entirely.

Nope.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2023-05-18 14:01, nospam wrote:
> In article <u44kj4$76io$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thing is we'll never know if Apple changed their mind following the
>> response to the rumours.
>
> the iphone product cycle is *long* (3-4 years), which means the
> decision for iphones to move to usb-c was made well before the eu
> decided to mandate it and before any rumours of a custom version of the
> spec surfaced, most likely in 2020.
>
> but the bigger question is if apple wanted to create their own version
> of usb-c, why haven't they done so in the past eight years with
> macbooks and ipads?

Because they have been forced to put USB-C on iphones against their wishes.

>
> btw, that's a very big clue as to what is likely to happen with the
> next iphone.
>
>> It is reasonable for the rumours to be published,
>> however.
>
> they're published because they get the clicks and make money for the
> publishers. people love a good conspiracy theory, so why not publish
> them.
>
> as it turns out, many of them have little basis in reality and are
> nothing more than ignorant apple bashing.

Said by an apple apologist, so very reliable as well :-D

--
Cheers, Carlos.

In article <4lhhjjx724.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> >
> > the problem is when a regulations are based on politics instead of
> > actual facts, especially ones regulators do not understand.
> >
> > as is often the case, such decisions are made to further one's own
> > career rather than what is best for society.
>
> Oh, but this regulation is very good for our society. We love it.

actually it isn't.

it's not for the eu or any regulatory agency to dictate what type of
connector a company chooses to use on their products because it stifles
innovation. when (not if) a usb-c successor appears, companies will not
be able to use it until the eu decides to update the rules so that they
can, and that process is slow. also, usb-c is a complex standard with
cables that don't always work as expected.

why not dictate mains power plugs? there are a *lot* of those, and
travelers need to carry multiple adapters as well as make sure the
voltage and line frequency are compatible.
<https://cdn.ttgtmedia.com/rms/onlineimages/data_center-electric_plug_ty
pes-f.png>

> >
> > what possible benefit would there be in an apple-only version of usb-c,
> > which could not be called usb and would be incompatible with zillions
> > of usb devices?
>
> Money.

what money? being incompatible with standard usb-c would cause a *loss*
in sales.

In article <nohhjjx724.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> > but the bigger question is if apple wanted to create their own version
> > of usb-c, why haven't they done so in the past eight years with
> > macbooks and ipads?
>
> Because they have been forced to put USB-C on iphones against their wishes.

there is *zero* evidence of that.

apple was among the first to support usb-c, starting back in 2015 with
the retina macbook and since then has been migrating other products to
usb-c when it makes sense to do so.

> >
> >> It is reasonable for the rumours to be published,
> >> however.
> >
> > they're published because they get the clicks and make money for the
> > publishers. people love a good conspiracy theory, so why not publish
> > them.
> >
> > as it turns out, many of them have little basis in reality and are
> > nothing more than ignorant apple bashing.
>
> Said by an apple apologist, so very reliable as well :-D

ad hominem.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> what money? being incompatible with standard usb-c would cause a *loss*
> in sales.

Now, now. Don’t upset the kooky konspiracy theory with actual facts.

On 2023-05-18, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-05-17, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> In article <5tnejjxtof.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And the EU is going to force Apple to be serious with USB-C,
>>>>> meaning that it has to be fully compatible with the standard, not
>>>>> Apple's own version of it.
>>>>
>>>> that's nothing more than a conspiracy theory.
>>>
>>> Time will tell.
>>>
>>>> apple is not creating their own version of usb-c.
>>>
>>> You nor anyone else outside of Apple knows that.
>>
>> And you nor anyone else outside of Apple knows they are limiting
>> USB-C. See how that works, Sparky?
>
> The rumours are seemingly as credible as other rumours

Nope, they are based on one analyst's remark that they saw there's a
chip inside of a USB-C cable, without mentioning what kind of chip or
the purpose of it, and without mentioning that chips in USB-C cables are
common.

> It's absolutely reasonable to discuss the issue.

What's not reasonable is suggesting this means Apple will be limiting
USB-C functionality, especially considering Apple has not done so with
any of their USB-C products to date.

> Waving it away as categorically not happening based on nothing is
> simply arrogant.

Claiming Apple has nefarious intentions without any evidence based on a
flimsy rumor is arrogant.

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Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-05-18 13:33, Newyana2 wrote:
> > "Michael" <michael@spamcop.com> wrote
> >
> > | Why did you lie?
> > |
> >
> > Nospam is not a liar. He's a compulsive arguer and extreme
> > devotee of Apple. If you fall for his endless arguments you'll
> > have only yourself to blame.
> >
> > But nospam does have an uncanny
> > knack for sounding like he knows what he's talking about.
> > He speaks with authority, avoids details, and switches topics
> > in a way that makes him seem believable. I've seen bickering
> > threads go on with over 100 posts in the photo group, all
> > because people can't resist arguing with nospam. :)
>
> Aye.
>
> And then, we don't know where is Arlen, so anybody is at risk of being
> accused of being Arlen!
>
> X-D

Well, "Michael <michael@spamcop.com>" is in the 'suspect' part of my
list of AH-nyms, so there you go! :-)

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-05-18 14:01, nospam wrote:
> > In article <u44kj4$76io$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Thing is we'll never know if Apple changed their mind following the
> >> response to the rumours.
> >
> > the iphone product cycle is *long* (3-4 years), which means the
> > decision for iphones to move to usb-c was made well before the eu
> > decided to mandate it and before any rumours of a custom version of the
> > spec surfaced, most likely in 2020.
> >
> > but the bigger question is if apple wanted to create their own version
> > of usb-c, why haven't they done so in the past eight years with
> > macbooks and ipads?
>
> Because they have been forced to put USB-C on iphones against their wishes.

Exactly. Did you notice that nospam is now weaseling and rewriting
(his and Apple's) history:

<rewind>

> > the iphone product cycle is *long* (3-4 years), which means the
> > decision for iphones to move to usb-c was made well before the eu
> > decided to mandate it and before any rumours of a custom version of the
> > spec surfaced, most likely in 2020.

</rewind>

He has been harping endlessly how stupid the EU mandate is and how
USB-C doesn't fit the 'usage model' for iPhones (but apparently does
for the iPad).

And now - out of the blue - he claims that Apple has decided to move
to USB-C for iPhones "well *before* [emphasis FS] the eu decided to
mandate it". So what the heck has he been babbling about all this time!?

> > btw, that's a very big clue as to what is likely to happen with the
> > next iphone.

QED.

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