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|`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceCarlos E.R.
| `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescencenospam
|  +* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescencebadgolferman
|  |+* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceCarlos E.R.
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|  || `- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
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|  |+- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
|  |`- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceAlan
|  +* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceCarlos E.R.
|  |+* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescencenospam
|  ||`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceTim+
|  || `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  ||  `- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  |`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceAlan
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|  | `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceCarlos E.R.
|  |  +* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceAlan
|  |  |+* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
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|  |  ||`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceCarlos E.R.
|  |  || +* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceAlan
|  |  || |`- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
|  |  || +- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  |  || `- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
|  |  |`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  |  | +- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
|  |  | `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceAlan
|  |  |  `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  |  |   `- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceAlan
|  |  +* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescencenospam
|  |  |+* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceCarlos E.R.
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|  |  || `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceChris
|  |  ||  +- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceCarlos E.R.
|  |  ||  `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescencenospam
|  |  ||   +* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceCarlos E.R.
|  |  ||   |`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescencenospam
|  |  ||   | +- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceBob Campbell
|  |  ||   | +* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceCarlos E.R.
|  |  ||   | |+- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescencenospam
|  |  ||   | |+- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  |  ||   | |`- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
|  |  ||   | `- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  |  ||   `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceChris
|  |  ||    `- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceAlan
|  |  |`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  |  | +- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
|  |  | +* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceIlya Kraskov
|  |  | |+* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceBob Campbell
|  |  | ||`- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  |  | |+- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescencenospam
|  |  | |+- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceAlan
|  |  | |`- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
|  |  | `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  |  |  `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceChris
|  |  |   `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescencenospam
|  |  |    +* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceCarlos E.R.
|  |  |    |+* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescencenospam
|  |  |    ||`- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceCarlos E.R.
|  |  |    |`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceFrank Slootweg
|  |  |    | +- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceAlan
|  |  |    | `- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescencenospam
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|  |  +* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceErholt Rhein
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|  |  ||`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceMichael
|  |  || +- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
|  |  || +* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceAlan
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|  |  || `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescencenospam
|  |  ||  `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceMichael
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|  |  ||   ||+- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
|  |  ||   ||`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceBob Campbell
|  |  ||   || `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceMichael
|  |  ||   ||  +- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceAlan
|  |  ||   ||  `- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceBob Campbell
|  |  ||   |`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
|  |  ||   | `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescencenospam
|  |  ||   |  `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceMichael
|  |  ||   |   `- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
|  |  ||   `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceNewyana2
|  |  ||    +* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceCarlos E.R.
|  |  ||    |+* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceFrank Slootweg
|  |  ||    ||+* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceNewyana2
|  |  ||    |||`- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  |  ||    ||`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  |  ||    || `- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceFrank Slootweg
|  |  ||    |`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  |  ||    | `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescencenospam
|  |  ||    |  +- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
|  |  ||    |  `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  |  ||    |   `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceCarlos E.R.
|  |  ||    +* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceMichael
|  |  ||    +- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceMichael
|  |  ||    `- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
|  |  |`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceBob Campbell
|  |  `- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
|  `* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceChris
+* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceNewyana2
+* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceTim+
+- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJulio Di Egidio
+* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceFrank
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From: nuh...@nope.com (Alan)
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Subject: Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescence
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 by: Alan - Thu, 18 May 2023 15:06 UTC

On 2023-05-18 06:41, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-05-18 14:01, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <u44kj4$76io$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thing is we'll never know if Apple changed their mind following the
>>>> response to the rumours.
>>>
>>> the iphone product cycle is *long* (3-4 years), which means the
>>> decision for iphones to move to usb-c was made well before the eu
>>> decided to mandate it and before any rumours of a custom version of the
>>> spec surfaced, most likely in 2020.
>>>
>>> but the bigger question is if apple wanted to create their own version
>>> of usb-c, why haven't they done so in the past eight years with
>>> macbooks and ipads?
>>
>> Because they have been forced to put USB-C on iphones against their wishes.
>
> Exactly. Did you notice that nospam is now weaseling and rewriting
> (his and Apple's) history:
>
> <rewind>
>
>>> the iphone product cycle is *long* (3-4 years), which means the
>>> decision for iphones to move to usb-c was made well before the eu
>>> decided to mandate it and before any rumours of a custom version of the
>>> spec surfaced, most likely in 2020.
>
> </rewind>
>
> He has been harping endlessly how stupid the EU mandate is and how
> USB-C doesn't fit the 'usage model' for iPhones (but apparently does
> for the iPad).
>
> And now - out of the blue - he claims that Apple has decided to move
> to USB-C for iPhones "well *before* [emphasis FS] the eu decided to
> mandate it". So what the heck has he been babbling about all this time!?

The mandate IS stupid...

....and that's not in conflict with claiming that Apple had already
decided to move to USB-C.

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 by: nospam - Thu, 18 May 2023 15:11 UTC

In article <u45gup.4m4.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>
> He has been harping endlessly how stupid the EU mandate is and how
> USB-C doesn't fit the 'usage model' for iPhones (but apparently does
> for the iPad).

correct. ipads and iphones are used in very different ways.

ipads are designed so that they can be used as a laptop alternative
(which has had usb-c for a while), with support for a keyboard &
trackpad and various peripherals, including external displays, hard
drives, usb sticks, video cameras, etc., so moving to a usb-c connector
for ipads makes sense.

iphones are almost always used standalone, only connected to power to
charge. syncing content is almost always done wirelessly. although it's
possible to connect an iphone to peripherals, it's the rare exception.
that means that the connector type doesn't really matter all that much.

that's why the macbook was first to switch to usb-c, followed by the
ipad pro, then the ipad air, working its way down the line to the ipad
mini and most recently, the entry level ipad.

iphones are next in line to make the transition, with various
peripherals (mouse, trackpad, airpods, etc.) being the last.

this is not complicated.

> And now - out of the blue - he claims that Apple has decided to move
> to USB-C for iPhones "well *before* [emphasis FS] the eu decided to
> mandate it". So what the heck has he been babbling about all this time!?

the only people who are babbling are those who spout the various
conspiracy theories.

> > > btw, that's a very big clue as to what is likely to happen with the
> > > next iphone.
>
> QED.

as usual, you are *completely* missing the point.

again, those who actually own and use apple products have a much better
idea of what direction apple is going than those who have nothing more
than wild guesses and conspiracy theories.

look at what apple has done with the ipad pro for a clue as to what i'm
hinting at (and i further hinted above).

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 by: Newyana2 - Thu, 18 May 2023 15:30 UTC

"Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

| > And then, we don't know where is Arlen, so anybody is at risk of being
| > accused of being Arlen!
| >
| > X-D
| | Well, "Michael <michael@spamcop.com>" is in the 'suspect' part of my
| list of AH-nyms, so there you go! :-)

I just want to know when we Americans can join the EU.
It's beginning to feel like a 3rd world country here.

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 by: Michael - Thu, 18 May 2023 15:49 UTC

On Thu, 18 May 2023 07:33:27 -0400, Newyana2 wrote:

> Nospam is not a liar.

Actually, he is a liar.

> He's a compulsive arguer and extreme
> devotee of Apple. If you fall for his endless arguments you'll
> have only yourself to blame.

He made up whataboutism claims when in truth, only Apple does it.

> But nospam does have an uncanny
> knack for sounding like he knows what he's talking about.
> He speaks with authority, avoids details, and switches topics
> in a way that makes him seem believable.

If he sounds like he knows what he's talking about, it's only because an
audience that doesn't know what Apple did is just as clueless as he is.

> I've seen bickering
> threads go on with over 100 posts in the photo group, all
> because people can't resist arguing with nospam. :)

I gave him three or four chances to back up his lies and he failed all.

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 by: Alan - Thu, 18 May 2023 15:58 UTC

On 2023-05-18 08:49, Michael wrote:
> On Thu, 18 May 2023 07:33:27 -0400, Newyana2 wrote:
>
>> Nospam is not a liar.
>
> Actually, he is a liar.
>
>> He's a compulsive arguer and extreme
>> devotee of Apple. If you fall for his endless arguments you'll
>> have only yourself to blame.
>
> He made up whataboutism claims when in truth, only Apple does it.
>
>> But nospam does have an uncanny
>> knack for sounding like he knows what he's talking about.
>> He speaks with authority, avoids details, and switches topics
>> in a way that makes him seem believable.
>
> If he sounds like he knows what he's talking about, it's only because an
> audience that doesn't know what Apple did is just as clueless as he is.
>
>> I've seen bickering
>> threads go on with over 100 posts in the photo group, all
>> because people can't resist arguing with nospam. :)
>
> I gave him three or four chances to back up his lies and he failed all.

Arlen, you lie more easily than you breathe.

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 by: nospam - Thu, 18 May 2023 16:00 UTC

In article <u45hus$aim1$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2023-05-18 08:49, Michael wrote:
>
> ...

>
> Arlen, you lie more easily than you breathe.

one day, both will cease.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 18 May 2023 16:05 UTC

On 2023-05-18, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <u45hus$aim1$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-05-18 08:49, Michael wrote:
>>
>> ...
>
>>
>> Arlen, you lie more easily than you breathe.
>
> one day, both will cease.

And that will be a joyous day for all of Usenet.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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 by: Alan - Thu, 18 May 2023 16:12 UTC

On 2023-05-18 09:05, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-05-18, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <u45hus$aim1$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-05-18 08:49, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>
>>>
>>> Arlen, you lie more easily than you breathe.
>>
>> one day, both will cease.
>
> And that will be a joyous day for all of Usenet.
>

As (I believe) Mark Twain once said:

"I don't wish death on anyone...

....but I do read some obituaries with great satisfaction".

Or something like that.

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 by: Michael - Thu, 18 May 2023 16:17 UTC

On Thu, 18 May 2023 03:56:55 +0000, Bob Campbell wrote:

>> I know what it does as iFixIt has reported extensively on what Apple did.
>> You lied.
>>
>
> So, how does iFixit "know what Apple did"?

What's obvious is you & he don't know anything about what Apple did.

> More importantly, how does
> iFixit know WHY Apple did whatever Apple allegedly did?

I'll post the links - but if you don't know, you know nothing about Apple.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ifixit+apple+battery+serialization

> Where is your link for all of this?

Why can't you look it up before demanding links that are all over the place?
https://www.ifixit.com/News/66879/iphone-14-parts-pairing-results-apple-is-still-trying-to-monopolise-repair
https://www.ifixit.com/News/32521/meet-the-tech-who-found-apples-plan-to-discourage-independent-repair
https://www.ifixit.com/News/32343/apple-is-locking-batteries-to-iphones-now
https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/781441/Battery+Replacement+can't+recognize+battery+serial.
https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/621513/Service+message+after+copying+battery+serial
https://www.ifixit.com/News/69320/how-parts-pairing-kills-independent-repair
https://www.ifixit.com/News/45921/is-this-the-end-of-the-repairable-iphone
https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/8/20776965/iphone-xs-max-xr-battery-service-third-party-repair
https://talkbackcomms.com/pages/serial

How many links do you need to learn what you should long ago have known?

> Funny how you demand "backup links"
> for the "lies" of others, yet you spew absurd claims without any "backup
> links".

I knew very well what Apple did, so I knew right away that he was lying.

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 by: Alan - Thu, 18 May 2023 16:25 UTC

On 2023-05-18 09:17, Michael wrote:
> On Thu, 18 May 2023 03:56:55 +0000, Bob Campbell wrote:
>
>>> I know what it does as iFixIt has reported extensively on what Apple did.
>>> You lied.
>>>
>>
>> So, how does iFixit "know what Apple did"?
>
> What's obvious is you & he don't know anything about what Apple did.

Which isn't an answer to the question...

....Arlen

>
>> More importantly, how does
>> iFixit know WHY Apple did whatever Apple allegedly did?
>
> I'll post the links - but if you don't know, you know nothing about Apple.
> https://www.google.com/search?q=ifixit+apple+battery+serialization

Which doesn't answer the question, "WHY?"...

...Arlen.

>
>> Where is your link for all of this?
>
> Why can't you look it up before demanding links that are all over the place?
> https://www.ifixit.com/News/66879/iphone-14-parts-pairing-results-apple-is-still-trying-to-monopolise-repair
> https://www.ifixit.com/News/32521/meet-the-tech-who-found-apples-plan-to-discourage-independent-repair
> https://www.ifixit.com/News/32343/apple-is-locking-batteries-to-iphones-now
> https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/781441/Battery+Replacement+can't+recognize+battery+serial.
> https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/621513/Service+message+after+copying+battery+serial
> https://www.ifixit.com/News/69320/how-parts-pairing-kills-independent-repair
> https://www.ifixit.com/News/45921/is-this-the-end-of-the-repairable-iphone
> https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/8/20776965/iphone-xs-max-xr-battery-service-third-party-repair
> https://talkbackcomms.com/pages/serial
>
> How many links do you need to learn what you should long ago have known?

Tell us which of those links explains the "WHY?"...

....and provide the quote...

....Arlen.

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 by: Michael - Thu, 18 May 2023 16:33 UTC

On Thu, 18 May 2023 07:33:27 -0400, Newyana2 wrote:

> Nospam is not a liar.]

He is a liar. That's why he didn't supply any backup links.

> He's a compulsive arguer and extreme
> devotee of Apple. If you fall for his endless arguments you'll
> have only yourself to blame.

True. He's tried to change the subject every time I asked for links.

> But nospam does have an uncanny
> knack for sounding like he knows what he's talking about.

Most liars do. It's easy for habitual liars like he appears to be.

> He speaks with authority, avoids details, and switches topics
> in a way that makes him seem believable. I've seen bickering
> threads go on with over 100 posts in the photo group, all
> because people can't resist arguing with nospam. :)

There is no sense even furthering this conversation about him.
He was unaware of what Apple did even as it was widely published.

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 by: Umberto - Thu, 18 May 2023 16:42 UTC

On May 18, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article<news:kcmmavFcekjU1@mid.individual.net>):

> Claiming Apple has nefarious intentions without any evidence based on a
> flimsy rumor is arrogant.

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/28/iphone-15-usb-c-accessories-limited-without-mfi/

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 by: Alan - Thu, 18 May 2023 17:32 UTC

On 2023-05-18 09:42, Umberto wrote:
> On May 18, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
> (in article<news:kcmmavFcekjU1@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> Claiming Apple has nefarious intentions without any evidence based on a
>> flimsy rumor is arrogant.
>
> https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/28/iphone-15-usb-c-accessories-limited-without-mfi/
>

"an established leaker has now claimed."

IOW, just a rumour

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <u44kj4$76io$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thing is we'll never know if Apple changed their mind following the
>> response to the rumours.
>
> the iphone product cycle is *long* (3-4 years),

You regularly say. How do you know seeing as you always say no one knows
anything about Apple other than Apple.

> which means the
> decision for iphones to move to usb-c was made well before the eu
> decided to mandate it and before any rumours of a custom version of the
> spec surfaced, most likely in 2020.

It doesn't mean a single design is taken throughout the full cycle (however
long that may be). They have to build in contingency for
design/manufacturing failures, market dynamics and regulation. They will be
able to make some changes easily and without affecting the process.

It's fair to bet that they've had a USB version designed and tested for the
last couple cycles.

> but the bigger question is if apple wanted to create their own version
> of usb-c, why haven't they done so in the past eight years with
> macbooks and ipads?

Fair question. Different markets and demographics.

> btw, that's a very big clue as to what is likely to happen with the
> next iphone.

Clue, yes. Fact, no.

>> It is reasonable for the rumours to be published,
>> however.
>
> they're published because they get the clicks and make money for the
> publishers.

True.

> people love a good conspiracy theory, so why not publish
> them.
>
> as it turns out, many of them have little basis in reality and are
> nothing more than ignorant apple bashing.

Maybe maybe not

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <u44hco$6t10$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>>> The letter of warning from the EU official to Apple is a fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> it means absolutely nothing, and the eu is technically ignorant.
>>>>
>>>> LOL.
>>>
>>> yes, the eu is laughable.
>>
>> I wouldn't expect an american to understand. Regulation is a good thing.
>
> sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't, which has nothing to do with
> one's nationality or the eu in particular.
>
> the problem is when a regulations are based on politics instead of
> actual facts, especially ones regulators do not understand.
>
> as is often the case, such decisions are made to further one's own
> career rather than what is best for society.

Not sure who's career is being furthered here? Regulation is a process not
an ego trip.

>>>> It doesn't matter, if they ban Apple products.
>>>
>>> they're not going to ban apple products.
>>
>> They would if they didn't comply. Apple knows this which is why they're
>> complying.
>
> no, apple is complying because there is no reason not to.

There you go again making assertions only Apple would know.

> what possible benefit would there be in an apple-only version of usb-c,
> which could not be called usb and would be incompatible with zillions
> of usb devices?
>
>> MS found out the hard way how sharp the EU regulator's teeth
>> are.
>
> different issue entirely.

If you say so, it must be true.

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 by: Julio Di Egidio - Thu, 18 May 2023 18:16 UTC

On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 05:19:51 UTC+2, Here is the News wrote:

> France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescence

For commercial fraud would at least be more appropriate.

OTOH, planned obsolescence is the reference mode of *all*
production since at least the 80's, of course going hand in
hand with total compelled-compulsive consumerism and co,
so it's rather amazing that anybody is surprised. E.g. I used
to ware the same jumper for 20+ years: try now. But of course
never let your right hand know what your left hand does...

And even commercial fraud has long been fine, in the form of
pervasive brainwashing and/of misleading advertisement. Just
when the maximization of profit is the only reason in town... and
lobbying is even legal in some major countries... together with
total impunity for people behind corporations...

Indeed, even Marx got that wrong: capitalism is not about
accumulation, it is about destruction, of resources: natural,
intellectual, cultural.

Now, what was the objection again?

Julio

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 by: Bob Campbell - Thu, 18 May 2023 18:20 UTC

Michael <michael@spamcop.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 May 2023 03:56:55 +0000, Bob Campbell wrote:
>
>>> I know what it does as iFixIt has reported extensively on what Apple did.
>>> You lied.
>>>
>>
>> So, how does iFixit "know what Apple did"?
>
> What's obvious is you & he don't know anything about what Apple did.
>
>> More importantly, how does
>> iFixit know WHY Apple did whatever Apple allegedly did?
>
> I'll post the links - but if you don't know, you know nothing about Apple.
> https://www.google.com/search?q=ifixit+apple+battery+serialization
>
>> Where is your link for all of this?
>
> Why can't you look it up before demanding links that are all over the place?
> https://www.ifixit.com/News/66879/iphone-14-parts-pairing-results-apple-is-still-trying-to-monopolise-repair
> https://www.ifixit.com/News/32521/meet-the-tech-who-found-apples-plan-to-discourage-independent-repair
> https://www.ifixit.com/News/32343/apple-is-locking-batteries-to-iphones-now
> https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/781441/Battery+Replacement+can't+recognize+battery+serial.
> https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/621513/Service+message+after+copying+battery+serial
> https://www.ifixit.com/News/69320/how-parts-pairing-kills-independent-repair
> https://www.ifixit.com/News/45921/is-this-the-end-of-the-repairable-iphone
> https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/8/20776965/iphone-xs-max-xr-battery-service-third-party-repair
> https://talkbackcomms.com/pages/serial
>
> How many links do you need to learn what you should long ago have known?
>
>> Funny how you demand "backup links"
>> for the "lies" of others, yet you spew absurd claims without any "backup
>> links".
>
> I knew very well what Apple did, so I knew right away that he was lying.

So because “Apple is locking iPhone battery repair, says iFixit”, that
means it is true? Even though one can - in fact - replace the battery?

As if iFixIt is now an authoritative source for Apple news, with no agenda.

“How Parts Pairing Kills Independent Repair”. Hmm, no agenda here.
This is clearly the OPINION of iFixIt. It is not a fact.

Well, it qualifies as an Arlen Fact. An opinion piece that agrees with
your opinion.

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 by: Bob Campbell - Thu, 18 May 2023 18:20 UTC

Umberto <canaliumberto@impresatrecolli.com> wrote:
> On May 18, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
> (in article<news:kcmmavFcekjU1@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> Claiming Apple has nefarious intentions without any evidence based on a
>> flimsy rumor is arrogant.
>
> https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/28/iphone-15-usb-c-accessories-limited-without-mfi/

So, a link to a site called “macrumors” somehow proves the rumor to be
true?

Or does the headline “iPhone 15 USB-C Cables Without MFi Badge MAY Have
Data Transfer and Charging Speed Limits” prove that the rumor is true?

You DO understand that a site called “MacRUMORS” does not need to be
publishing actual, hard news, right?

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 by: nospam - Thu, 18 May 2023 18:55 UTC

In article <u45o9c$ba11$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >> Thing is we'll never know if Apple changed their mind following the
> >> response to the rumours.
> >
> > the iphone product cycle is *long* (3-4 years),
>
> You regularly say. How do you know seeing as you always say no one knows
> anything about Apple other than Apple.

there is a *lot* of evidence, including statements from apple.

here's some of it:

for more than a decade, iphones have had major changes every 4 years:

they can be grouped as follows:
- 4/4s/5/5s (the 5/5s is essentially a stretched 4 without the glass
back, a relatively minor difference)
- 6/6s/7/8
- x/xs/xr/11 (3 year)
- 12/13/14 and soon to be 15.

back in the iphone 4/4s days, phil schiller stated that they were aware
of demand for a larger iphone, but were limited in what they could do
beyond stretching the 4/4s to the 5/5s, which was already in progress.
the soonest they could address that demand was with the 6 and 6+.

apple sells ~250 million iphones per year (~700k per *day*, or ~10 per
*second*), and at that volume, a long cycle is the only option.

> > which means the
> > decision for iphones to move to usb-c was made well before the eu
> > decided to mandate it and before any rumours of a custom version of the
> > spec surfaced, most likely in 2020.
>
> It doesn't mean a single design is taken throughout the full cycle (however
> long that may be). They have to build in contingency for
> design/manufacturing failures, market dynamics and regulation. They will be
> able to make some changes easily and without affecting the process.

iphone designs are locked in roughly a year before release, at which
point apple starts working with the factories to be able to produce
~250 million units a year, including designing custom equipment to
manufacture it at that scale. production ramp up starts in early
summer, to satisfy a *huge* spike in demand for the holiday quarter.

one example of custom tooling was with the chamfered edges on the
iphone 5, where high resolution cameras took photos of the casing and
matched imperfections for a perfect fit.

> It's fair to bet that they've had a USB version designed and tested for the
> last couple cycles.

exactly, and long before the mandate was proposed, let alone finalized.

the transition to usb was *not* a last minute decision, nor could it
be.

keep in mind that apple must secure 250 million usb-c ports and an
additional 250 million usb-c plugs (for the bundled cable), along with
associated other parts, and that's just for the phone package.

alongside a usb-c iphone will undoubtedly be usb-c airpods, so add in
another roughly 100 million usb ports & plugs.

> > but the bigger question is if apple wanted to create their own version
> > of usb-c, why haven't they done so in the past eight years with
> > macbooks and ipads?
>
> Fair question. Different markets and demographics.

no, the reason is because a non-standard usb-c version is not usb.

> > btw, that's a very big clue as to what is likely to happen with the
> > next iphone.
>
> Clue, yes. Fact, no.

yet you haven't picked up on what that clue is.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 18 May 2023 19:00 UTC

On 2023-05-18, Umberto <canaliumberto@impresatrecolli.com> wrote:
> On May 18, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
> (in article<news:kcmmavFcekjU1@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> Claiming Apple has nefarious intentions without any evidence based on a
>> flimsy rumor is arrogant.
>
> https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/28/iphone-15-usb-c-accessories-limited-without-mfi/

Thanks for proving my point, dummy. From your vaunted article:

"Apple is widely expected to switch out the Lightning port for USB-C on
iPhone 15 models, and earlier this month, a rumor out of China suggested
that the replacement USB-C port would continue to have a Lightning-like
authentication chip, despite USB-C ports on Apple's iPads having no such
chip."

....which links to this article:

<https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/10/apple-planning-to-limit-iphone-15-usb-c-port/>

"The iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro's USB-C port and accompanying charging
cables will feature a Lightning-like authenticator chip, potentially
limiting their functionality with Apple-unapproved accessories, a rumor
shared on Weibo suggests."

....which links to this Weibo post:

<https://web.archive.org/web/20230213113927/https://weibo.com/u/1833340431?is_all=1>

Translated:
"Apple made a type C, lightning interface IC, which will be used on this
year's new iPhone and MFI-certified peripherals."

That's it! That unsubstantiated claim is what has all of you gullible
dip shit trolls *convinced* that Apple is supposedly planing to limit
USB-C functionality in iPhones, despite the *FACT* that Apple has never
done so in any of Apple's existing products with USB-C support. You're a
bunch of arrogant, gullible clowns who gleefully fall for and repeat
flimsy rumors without any evidence of them being true, simply because
they fit your biased narrative. 🤡

--
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JR

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 by: Alan - Thu, 18 May 2023 19:09 UTC

On 2023-05-18 10:59, Chris wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <u44hco$6t10$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> The letter of warning from the EU official to Apple is a fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it means absolutely nothing, and the eu is technically ignorant.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL.
>>>>
>>>> yes, the eu is laughable.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't expect an american to understand. Regulation is a good thing.
>>
>> sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't, which has nothing to do with
>> one's nationality or the eu in particular.
>>
>> the problem is when a regulations are based on politics instead of
>> actual facts, especially ones regulators do not understand.
>>
>> as is often the case, such decisions are made to further one's own
>> career rather than what is best for society.
>
> Not sure who's career is being furthered here? Regulation is a process not
> an ego trip.

You've never actually met anyone in government, have you?

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 by: Umberto - Thu, 18 May 2023 19:28 UTC

On 19/05/2023 0:30, Jolly Roger wrote:

> That unsubstantiated claim is what has all of you gullible
> dip shit trolls *convinced* that Apple is supposedly planing to limit
> USB-C functionality in iPhones

You aren't aware that Apple already did it with the prior cabling?

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 by: nospam - Thu, 18 May 2023 19:40 UTC

In article <u45u7c$325mu$1@news.mixmin.net>, Umberto
<canaliumberto@impresatrecolli.com> wrote:

>
> > That unsubstantiated claim is what has all of you gullible
> > dip shit trolls *convinced* that Apple is supposedly planing to limit
> > USB-C functionality in iPhones
>
> You aren't aware that Apple already did it with the prior cabling?

you aren't aware that the usb consortium certifies anything that
carries the usb logo, from any vendor.

you also aren't aware that apple's mfi certification for lightning (and
previously the 30-pin dock connector) is not a limitation, but rather
an indication that the accessory has been tested to properly work with
past, present and future unreleased devices. non-mfi accessories
generally work, but there are no guarantees.

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 by: Bob Campbell - Thu, 18 May 2023 20:22 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2023-05-18, Umberto <canaliumberto@impresatrecolli.com> wrote:
>> On May 18, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
>> (in article<news:kcmmavFcekjU1@mid.individual.net>):
>>
>>> Claiming Apple has nefarious intentions without any evidence based on a
>>> flimsy rumor is arrogant.
>>
>> https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/28/iphone-15-usb-c-accessories-limited-without-mfi/
>
> Thanks for proving my point, dummy. From your vaunted article:
>
> "Apple is widely expected to switch out the Lightning port for USB-C on
> iPhone 15 models, and earlier this month, a rumor out of China suggested
> that the replacement USB-C port would continue to have a Lightning-like
> authentication chip, despite USB-C ports on Apple's iPads having no such
> chip."
>
> ...which links to this article:
>
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/10/apple-planning-to-limit-iphone-15-usb-c-port/>
>
> "The iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro's USB-C port and accompanying charging
> cables will feature a Lightning-like authenticator chip, potentially
> limiting their functionality with Apple-unapproved accessories, a rumor
> shared on Weibo suggests."
>
> ...which links to this Weibo post:
>
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20230213113927/https://weibo.com/u/1833340431?is_all=1>
>
> Translated:
> "Apple made a type C, lightning interface IC, which will be used on this
> year's new iPhone and MFI-certified peripherals."
>
> That's it! That unsubstantiated claim is what has all of you gullible
> dip shit trolls *convinced* that Apple is supposedly planing to limit
> USB-C functionality in iPhones, despite the *FACT* that Apple has never
> done so in any of Apple's existing products with USB-C support. You're a
> bunch of arrogant, gullible clowns who gleefully fall for and repeat
> flimsy rumors without any evidence of them being true, simply because
> they fit your biased narrative. 🤡

Proving - ONCE AGAIN - that Arlen never posts a link that supports his
absurd claims. He has a 100% record on this.

Remember a few months ago when Arlen INSISTED that “Apple pleaded guilty
in France” to whatever the horrible offense was, and settled with France.
I can’t even remember now what the supposed “guilty plea” was for. But he
posted several links, ALL of which stated that FRANCE OFFERED TO SETTLE
WITH APPLE. Apple OF COURSE settled AND admitted to nothing.

When you “settle”, the charges are dropped and no one “pleads guilty”.
That’s why its called a “settlement”. Pleading guilty and paying a fine
is NOT a “settlement”.

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Jolly Roger wrote:
>
> That's it! That unsubstantiated claim is what has all of you gullible
> dip shit trolls convinced that Apple is supposedly planing to limit
> USB-C functionality in iPhones, despite the FACT that Apple has never
> done so in any of Apple's existing products with USB-C support.

In all fairness, and bearing in mind why Apple have always chosen to have
different charging ports/cables for their iPhones than a standard one
compatible with other smart phone manufacturers, it is a legitimate
possibility ... it might only be an unsubstantiated rumour at this point,
but it would make sense.

Personally, I don't think it will happen. But sometimes there's no smoke
without fire... and we all know how dodgy those cheap cables can
be, don't we?!! ;-)

Pre-any new iPhone release there's always tons of rumours, some of which
are invariably fake and some of which are grounded in fact. I wouldn't see
it as anything to get worked up over though at this moment in time. We'll
find out in the autumn... probably.

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