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* Re: Some of what I'm reading...Michael S
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 by: Michael S - Sun, 2 Oct 2022 14:59 UTC

On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 10:59:27 PM UTC+2, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>
> John Mashey and some DEC history... Rather than diverging from VAX and
> creating Alpha as happened, why the variously-suggested overhauling of
> VAX was a non-starter:
> https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmdA5WkDNALetBn4iFeSepHjdLGJdxPBwZyY47ir1bZGAK/comp/vax.html
>

The post is from 1.5 years ago but I missed it back then.
Tried to click the link and that's what I got:

504 Gateway Time-out
----------------------
openresty

Is it just me?

>
> Tango Delta Perseverance
> --
> Pure Personal Opinion | HoffmanLabs LLC

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 by: Robert A. Brooks - Sun, 2 Oct 2022 16:43 UTC

On 10/2/2022 10:59 AM, Michael S wrote:
> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 10:59:27 PM UTC+2, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>>
>> John Mashey and some DEC history... Rather than diverging from VAX and
>> creating Alpha as happened, why the variously-suggested overhauling of
>> VAX was a non-starter:
>> https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmdA5WkDNALetBn4iFeSepHjdLGJdxPBwZyY47ir1bZGAK/comp/vax.html
>>
>
> The post is from 1.5 years ago but I missed it back then.
> Tried to click the link and that's what I got:
>
> 504 Gateway Time-out
> ----------------------
> openresty
>
> Is it just me?

That link works for me.

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--- Rob

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 by: Stephen Hoffman - Sun, 2 Oct 2022 16:44 UTC

On 2022-10-02 14:59:46 +0000, Michael S said:

> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 10:59:27 PM UTC+2, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>>
>> John Mashey and some DEC history... Rather than diverging from VAX and
>> creating Alpha as happened, why the variously-suggested overhauling of
>> VAX was a non-starter:
>> https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmdA5WkDNALetBn4iFeSepHjdLGJdxPBwZyY47ir1bZGAK/comp/vax.html
>>
>>
>
> The post is from 1.5 years ago but I missed it back then.
> Tried to click the link and that's what I got:
>
> 504 Gateway Time-out
> ----------------------
> openresty
>
> Is it just me?

That link works here. Whether it's just you, or whether the issue or
outage is more general?

The link is also archived:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210104211530/https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmdA5WkDNALetBn4iFeSepHjdLGJdxPBwZyY47ir1bZGAK/comp/vax.html

From that link... By the time you got done fixing most of what made VAX
slow, you ended up sufficiently incompatible that breaking everything
with Alpha became feasible.

More semi-related and semiconductor-related links from the reading
list, these specifically around Intel and x86-64:

https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/009/deprecated-technologies/

https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/05/intel_is_late_again/
https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/17/intel_riscv_contributions/
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-intel-chips-wont-play-blu-ray-disks-due-to-sgx-deprecation/

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 by: Michael S - Sun, 2 Oct 2022 21:03 UTC

On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 7:44:07 PM UTC+3, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
> On 2022-10-02 14:59:46 +0000, Michael S said:
>
> > On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 10:59:27 PM UTC+2, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
> >>
> >> John Mashey and some DEC history... Rather than diverging from VAX and
> >> creating Alpha as happened, why the variously-suggested overhauling of
> >> VAX was a non-starter:
> >> https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmdA5WkDNALetBn4iFeSepHjdLGJdxPBwZyY47ir1bZGAK/comp/vax.html
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The post is from 1.5 years ago but I missed it back then.
> > Tried to click the link and that's what I got:
> >
> > 504 Gateway Time-out
> > ----------------------
> > openresty
> >
> > Is it just me?
> That link works here. Whether it's just you, or whether the issue or
> outage is more general?
>

It seems, the trouble was caused corporate firewall.
Sorry.

> The link is also archived:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20210104211530/https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmdA5WkDNALetBn4iFeSepHjdLGJdxPBwZyY47ir1bZGAK/comp/vax.html
>

I was hoping to compare his relatively new thoughts with articles he wrote 16 years ago.
https://www.realworldtech.com/vax-cpu-economics/
https://www.realworldtech.com/vax-alpha/

But it turned out that your link is from 2005 :(

>
> From that link... By the time you got done fixing most of what made VAX
> slow, you ended up sufficiently incompatible that breaking everything
> with Alpha became feasible.
>
> More semi-related and semiconductor-related links from the reading
> list, these specifically around Intel and x86-64:
>
> https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/ipla/software-development-platforms/client/platforms/alder-lake-desktop/12th-generation-intel-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/009/deprecated-technologies/
>
> https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/05/intel_is_late_again/
> https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/17/intel_riscv_contributions/
> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-intel-chips-wont-play-blu-ray-disks-due-to-sgx-deprecation/
> --
> Pure Personal Opinion | HoffmanLabs LLC

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 by: Stephen Hoffman - Mon, 3 Oct 2022 20:45 UTC

On 2022-10-02 21:03:01 +0000, Michael S said:

> I was hoping to compare his relatively new thoughts with articles he
> wrote 16 years ago.
> https://www.realworldtech.com/vax-cpu-economics/
> https://www.realworldtech.com/vax-alpha/
>
> But it turned out that your link is from 2005 :(

Not much has changed with VAX since 2005, either.

Though DEC Standard 32—the VAX Architecture standard, DECSTD032—has
become generally available more recently.
https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_decvaxarch32Jan90_36555387

For microprocessors and the continued increase in integration, one of
the shifts in recent times has been around customized designs, well
past the "blow a fuse" customizations sometimes found in the era of
VAX- or Alpha designs. Commodity microprocessor vendors target wider
sales with their standard microprocessor products, while system
vendors—particularly the middling and larger vendors—are increasingly
able to customize and differentiate their processor designs for added
ML, GPU, trusted storage and storage encryption, or other features; for
deeper integration. You can do more with 114 billion transistors in
the recent (shipping) designs, as compared with what was possible with
the 3.1 billion with Intel Poulson/Kittson era Itanium designs.

Mashey has seemingly been occupied elsewhere:
https://www.csldf.org/2017/10/06/2461/

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