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|  |  ||    || `- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceFrank Slootweg
|  |  ||    |`* Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJoerg Lorenz
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|  |  ||    |  +- Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned ObsolescenceJolly Roger
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From: hugyb...@gmx.ch (Joerg Lorenz)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android
Subject: Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescence
Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 22:49:47 +0200
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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Thu, 18 May 2023 20:49 UTC

Am 18.05.23 um 13:33 schrieb Newyana2:
> "Michael" <michael@spamcop.com> wrote
>
> | Why did you lie?
> |
>
> Nospam is not a liar. He's a compulsive arguer and extreme
> devotee of Apple. If you fall for his endless arguments you'll
> have only yourself to blame.
>
> But nospam does have an uncanny
> knack for sounding like he knows what he's talking about.
> He speaks with authority, avoids details, and switches topics
> in a way that makes him seem believable. I've seen bickering
> threads go on with over 100 posts in the photo group, all
> because people can't resist arguing with nospam. :)

Welcome back, Arlen!

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Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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From: hugyb...@gmx.ch (Joerg Lorenz)
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Subject: Re: France Wants to Sue Apple for Planned Obsolescence
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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Thu, 18 May 2023 20:50 UTC

Am 18.05.23 um 13:46 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 2023-05-18 13:33, Newyana2 wrote:
>> "Michael" <michael@spamcop.com> wrote
>>
>> | Why did you lie?
>> |
>>
>> Nospam is not a liar. He's a compulsive arguer and extreme
>> devotee of Apple. If you fall for his endless arguments you'll
>> have only yourself to blame.
>>
>> But nospam does have an uncanny
>> knack for sounding like he knows what he's talking about.
>> He speaks with authority, avoids details, and switches topics
>> in a way that makes him seem believable. I've seen bickering
>> threads go on with over 100 posts in the photo group, all
>> because people can't resist arguing with nospam. :)
>
> Aye.
>
> And then, we don't know where is Arlen, so anybody is at risk of being
> accused of being Arlen!

Newyana2 in this thread is Arlen! Check the headers.

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Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Thu, 18 May 2023 20:51 UTC

Am 18.05.23 um 15:28 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-05-18 13:33, Newyana2 wrote:
>>> "Michael" <michael@spamcop.com> wrote
>>>
>>> | Why did you lie?
>>> |
>>>
>>> Nospam is not a liar. He's a compulsive arguer and extreme
>>> devotee of Apple. If you fall for his endless arguments you'll
>>> have only yourself to blame.
>>>
>>> But nospam does have an uncanny
>>> knack for sounding like he knows what he's talking about.
>>> He speaks with authority, avoids details, and switches topics
>>> in a way that makes him seem believable. I've seen bickering
>>> threads go on with over 100 posts in the photo group, all
>>> because people can't resist arguing with nospam. :)
>>
>> Aye.
>>
>> And then, we don't know where is Arlen, so anybody is at risk of being
>> accused of being Arlen!
>>
>> X-D
>
> Well, "Michael <michael@spamcop.com>" is in the 'suspect' part of my
> list of AH-nyms, so there you go! :-)

You have no clue.

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Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Thu, 18 May 2023 20:52 UTC

Am 18.05.23 um 17:30 schrieb Newyana2:
> "Frank Slootweg" <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
>
> | > And then, we don't know where is Arlen, so anybody is at risk of being
> | > accused of being Arlen!
> | >
> | > X-D
> |
> | Well, "Michael <michael@spamcop.com>" is in the 'suspect' part of my
> | list of AH-nyms, so there you go! :-)
>
> I just want to know when we Americans can join the EU.
> It's beginning to feel like a 3rd world country here.

In fact it is.

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 by: nospam - Thu, 18 May 2023 21:11 UTC

In article <nnd$4e8c4a24$3142e461@98bd75bb4fd1a731>, Blueshirt
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

> In all fairness, and bearing in mind why Apple have always chosen to have
> different charging ports/cables for their iPhones than a standard one
> compatible with other smart phone manufacturers, it is a legitimate
> possibility ... it might only be an unsubstantiated rumour at this point,
> but it would make sense.

what standard one might that be?

android phones have used ext-usb (which is non-standard, btw),
mini-usb, micro-usb, micro-usb 3 and usb-c. high speed charging is
either qualcomm's proprietary quickcharge or usb-c power delivery.

that's a lot of standards.

someone who has had more than one android phone over the years has had
to buy new cables and chargers at least once, likely more.

at the time apple switched from the 30-pin dock connector to lightning,
usb-c did not exist and micro usb (common at the time) was not capable
of doing what apple needed to do, thus not an option. apple is also
part of the usb-c committee and why usb-c is reversible.

also keep in mind that lightning is more popular than the first three
of the android connectors, combined.

> Pre-any new iPhone release there's always tons of rumours, some of which
> are invariably fake and some of which are grounded in fact.

correct. the problem is that the usual suspects jump on the crazier
ones.

> I wouldn't see
> it as anything to get worked up over though at this moment in time. We'll
> find out in the autumn... probably.

yep.

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In article <u46331$65sm$2@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:

> > On 2023-05-18 13:33, Newyana2 wrote:
>

>
> Newyana2 in this thread is Arlen! Check the headers.

no, it's mayayana.

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 by: Alan - Thu, 18 May 2023 21:40 UTC

On 2023-05-18 12:28, Umberto wrote:
> On 19/05/2023 0:30, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> That unsubstantiated claim is what has all of you gullible
>> dip shit trolls *convinced* that Apple is supposedly planing to limit
>> USB-C functionality in iPhones
>
> You aren't aware that Apple already did it with the prior cabling?

Such as what?

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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 18 May 2023 22:16 UTC

On 2023-05-18, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-05-18, Umberto <canaliumberto@impresatrecolli.com> wrote:
>>> On May 18, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
>>> (in article<news:kcmmavFcekjU1@mid.individual.net>):
>>>
>>>> Claiming Apple has nefarious intentions without any evidence based
>>>> on a flimsy rumor is arrogant.
>>>
>>> https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/28/iphone-15-usb-c-accessories-limited-without-mfi/
>>
>> Thanks for proving my point, dummy. From your vaunted article:
>>
>> "Apple is widely expected to switch out the Lightning port for USB-C
>> on iPhone 15 models, and earlier this month, a rumor out of China
>> suggested that the replacement USB-C port would continue to have a
>> Lightning-like authentication chip, despite USB-C ports on Apple's
>> iPads having no such chip."
>>
>> ...which links to this article:
>>
>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/10/apple-planning-to-limit-iphone-15-usb-c-port/>
>>
>> "The iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro's USB-C port and accompanying
>> charging cables will feature a Lightning-like authenticator chip,
>> potentially limiting their functionality with Apple-unapproved
>> accessories, a rumor shared on Weibo suggests."
>>
>> ...which links to this Weibo post:
>>
>> <https://web.archive.org/web/20230213113927/https://weibo.com/u/1833340431?is_all=1>
>>
>> Translated: "Apple made a type C, lightning interface IC, which will
>> be used on this year's new iPhone and MFI-certified peripherals."
>>
>> That's it! That unsubstantiated claim is what has all of you gullible
>> dip shit trolls *convinced* that Apple is supposedly planing to limit
>> USB-C functionality in iPhones, despite the *FACT* that Apple has
>> never done so in any of Apple's existing products with USB-C support.
>> You're a bunch of arrogant, gullible clowns who gleefully fall for
>> and repeat flimsy rumors without any evidence of them being true,
>> simply because they fit your biased narrative. 🤡
>
> Proving - ONCE AGAIN - that Arlen never posts a link that supports his
> absurd claims. He has a 100% record on this.

Yup. His trolls are *WEAK* as fuck, and easily disproved simply by
reading his references for comprehension rather than glossing over them
with a preconceived narrative the way he does.

> Remember a few months ago when Arlen INSISTED that “Apple pleaded
> guilty in France” to whatever the horrible offense was, and settled
> with France. I can’t even remember now what the supposed “guilty
> plea” was for. But he posted several links, ALL of which stated that
> FRANCE OFFERED TO SETTLE WITH APPLE. Apple OF COURSE settled AND
> admitted to nothing.
>
> When you “settle”, the charges are dropped and no one “pleads guilty”.
> That’s why its called a “settlement”. Pleading guilty and paying a
> fine is NOT a “settlement”.

Like a child, he thinks doubling down on lies gives them more strength,
even after the adults in the room have caught him in his lies - when all
it really does is illustrate what a complete failure he is
intellectually. It's really pathetic.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 18 May 2023 22:20 UTC

On 2023-05-18, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>> That's it! That unsubstantiated claim is what has all of you gullible
>> dip shit trolls convinced that Apple is supposedly planing to limit
>> USB-C functionality in iPhones, despite the FACT that Apple has never
>> done so in any of Apple's existing products with USB-C support.
>
> In all fairness, and bearing in mind why Apple have always chosen to
> have different charging ports/cables for their iPhones than a standard
> one compatible with other smart phone manufacturers, it is a
> legitimate possibility ... it might only be an unsubstantiated rumour
> at this point, but it would make sense.

You're conveniently forgetting (or perhaps outright ignoring) that Apple
has already supported USB-C in iPads and Macs for *years*, and no such
limitations exist there. You'd have the rest of us to believe Apple will
do something different with iPhones, based on an unfounded rumor. Not
buying what you're selling there, sorry.

> Personally, I don't think it will happen. But sometimes there's no
> smoke without fire... and we all know how dodgy those cheap cables can
> be, don't we?!! ;-)

That's not something you have to worry about if you stick with
Mfi-certified cables.

> Pre-any new iPhone release there's always tons of rumours, some of
> which are invariably fake and some of which are grounded in fact. I
> wouldn't see it as anything to get worked up over though at this
> moment in time. We'll find out in the autumn... probably.

Tell that to the resident trolls who are pushing these unfounded rumors.
All the rest of us are saying is the truth: these are unfounded rumors.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 18 May 2023 22:22 UTC

On 2023-05-18, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <u46331$65sm$2@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
> wrote:
>> > On 2023-05-18 13:33, Newyana2 wrote:
>>
>> Newyana2 in this thread is Arlen! Check the headers.
>
> no, it's mayayana.

Either way, they don't add anything of value here.

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 by: Frank - Fri, 19 May 2023 02:56 UTC

On 19 May 2023 02:31:58 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> Apple shaped the customer's possible reactions by removing the jack so
>> that the customer is forced to make only the few choices Apple allowed
>> them.
>
> Nah, it was just to piss off perpetually butthurt trolls, and it looks
> like it worked. You guys are so mad... : )

If you think I'm mad because I explained to you the reason Apple removed
the jack, then that's OK with me as it tells me how you think about Apple.

I don't care what Apple did just like I don't care how any general shapes
their battlefield to constrain the enemy into walking into their minefield.

Apple shapes the iPhone to limit your choices like any good general would.

By removing the jack, Apple shaped your available choices to only what
Apple wanted. That doesn't make me mad at all. I appreciate Apple's genius.

So do you apparently.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Fri, 19 May 2023 04:16 UTC

On 2023-05-19, Frank <frank@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 19 May 2023 02:31:58 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Apple shaped the customer's possible reactions by removing the jack
>>> so that the customer is forced to make only the few choices Apple
>>> allowed them.
>>
>> Nah, it was just to piss off perpetually butthurt trolls, and it
>> looks like it worked. You guys are so mad... : )
>
> If you think I'm mad because I explained to you the reason Apple
> removed the jack blah blah blah

Nah, the reason it's obvious that you are mad is because you are
claiming Apple supposedly did it to fuck people over when that's not the
case. You're mad at "big, bad Apple" and want to stick it to them, and
you think claiming they are supposedly out to fuck people over is your
best chance at making Apple look bad for making a simple business
decision based on what they thought people wanted (and it turns out
people do indeed want, since sales of iPhones haven't suffered). You're
a butt hurt little trollboi and you're determined to "stick it to the
man". That's plainly obvious to anyone who isn't as emotionally
invested in this as you are. : )

> I don't care what Apple did

You very clearly do care very much, you sad little man. : )

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Fri, 19 May 2023 05:49 UTC

Am 18.05.23 um 23:11 schrieb nospam:
> In article <u46331$65sm$2@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
> wrote:
>
>>> On 2023-05-18 13:33, Newyana2 wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> Newyana2 in this thread is Arlen! Check the headers.
>
> no, it's mayayana.

Nope. It is probably an identity theft.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Fri, 19 May 2023 09:19 UTC

On 2023-05-18 14:44, nospam wrote:
> In article <nohhjjx724.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> but the bigger question is if apple wanted to create their own version
>>> of usb-c, why haven't they done so in the past eight years with
>>> macbooks and ipads?
>>
>> Because they have been forced to put USB-C on iphones against their wishes.
>
> there is *zero* evidence of that.
>
> apple was among the first to support usb-c, starting back in 2015 with
> the retina macbook and since then has been migrating other products to
> usb-c when it makes sense to do so.

Ha! :-D

>>>
>>>> It is reasonable for the rumours to be published,
>>>> however.
>>>
>>> they're published because they get the clicks and make money for the
>>> publishers. people love a good conspiracy theory, so why not publish
>>> them.
>>>
>>> as it turns out, many of them have little basis in reality and are
>>> nothing more than ignorant apple bashing.
>>
>> Said by an apple apologist, so very reliable as well :-D
>
> ad hominem.

Not really.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Fri, 19 May 2023 09:16 UTC

On 2023-05-18 14:44, nospam wrote:
> In article <4lhhjjx724.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> the problem is when a regulations are based on politics instead of
>>> actual facts, especially ones regulators do not understand.
>>>
>>> as is often the case, such decisions are made to further one's own
>>> career rather than what is best for society.
>>
>> Oh, but this regulation is very good for our society. We love it.
>
> actually it isn't.
>
> it's not for the eu or any regulatory agency to dictate what type of
> connector a company chooses to use on their products because it stifles
> innovation. when (not if) a usb-c successor appears, companies will not
> be able to use it until the eu decides to update the rules so that they
> can, and that process is slow. also, usb-c is a complex standard with
> cables that don't always work as expected.

We think otherwise.
That it pisses Apple and Apple "fan-atics" is a bonus that makes us
happy :-P

>
> why not dictate mains power plugs? there are a *lot* of those, and
> travelers need to carry multiple adapters as well as make sure the
> voltage and line frequency are compatible.
> <https://cdn.ttgtmedia.com/rms/onlineimages/data_center-electric_plug_ty
> pes-f.png>

There is a standard in the EU, the Euro Plug or type C :-p

>
>>>
>>> what possible benefit would there be in an apple-only version of usb-c,
>>> which could not be called usb and would be incompatible with zillions
>>> of usb devices?
>>
>> Money.
>
> what money? being incompatible with standard usb-c would cause a *loss*
> in sales.

:-)

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Fri, 19 May 2023 09:24 UTC

On 2023-05-19 07:49, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 18.05.23 um 23:11 schrieb nospam:
>> In article <u46331$65sm$2@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> On 2023-05-18 13:33, Newyana2 wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> Newyana2 in this thread is Arlen! Check the headers.
>>
>> no, it's mayayana.
>
> Nope. It is probably an identity theft.

AFAIK, he confirmed somewhere that he is mayayana.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Fri, 19 May 2023 10:40 UTC

On 2023-05-18 22:22, Bob Campbell wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-05-18, Umberto <canaliumberto@impresatrecolli.com> wrote:
>>> On May 18, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
>>> (in article<news:kcmmavFcekjU1@mid.individual.net>):

> Proving - ONCE AGAIN - that Arlen never posts a link that supports his
> absurd claims. He has a 100% record on this.
>
> Remember a few months ago when Arlen INSISTED that “Apple pleaded guilty
> in France” to whatever the horrible offense was, and settled with France.
> I can’t even remember now what the supposed “guilty plea” was for. But he
> posted several links, ALL of which stated that FRANCE OFFERED TO SETTLE
> WITH APPLE. Apple OF COURSE settled AND admitted to nothing.
>
> When you “settle”, the charges are dropped and no one “pleads guilty”.
> That’s why its called a “settlement”. Pleading guilty and paying a fine
> is NOT a “settlement”.

Not correct.

A settling means accepting the claim and paying a fine for it, albeit
smaller, saving time and layer fees.

If the claims were false, they would continue the proceedings and win them.

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 by: nospam - Fri, 19 May 2023 10:51 UTC

In article <mcrjjjxhfj.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> That it pisses Apple and Apple "fan-atics" is a bonus that makes us
> happy :-P

pissing off a company is not a credible reason to regulate something.

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 by: nospam - Fri, 19 May 2023 12:29 UTC

In article <7a0kjjxsiv.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> > When you ³settle², the charges are dropped and no one ³pleads guilty².
> > That¹s why its called a ³settlement². Pleading guilty and paying a fine
> > is NOT a ³settlement².
>
> Not correct.

actually, it is correct.

> A settling means accepting the claim and paying a fine for it, albeit
> smaller, saving time and layer fees.

no, it means mutually agreed upon terms to end the lawsuit.

> If the claims were false, they would continue the proceedings and win them.

not necessarily. trials are lengthy, expensive, highly stressful and
with no guaranteed outcome. the verdict is usually appealed, adding
more time and expense, and the possibility of it being reversed.

settlements are quick, and if the settlement amount is less than what
it would cost to go to trial, which it often is, then it's usually a
good idea to settle.

unfortunately, some lawyers take advantage of that by filing frivolous
lawsuits and then offer to 'go away' for a small settlement amount.
what's worse is they claim they 'won' when in fact, they did nothing of
the sort. it's simply blackmail.

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 by: Newyana2 - Fri, 19 May 2023 12:33 UTC

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

| > Nope. It is probably an identity theft.
| | AFAIK, he confirmed

Yes. Though I suppose anyone can be spoofed.
In any case, how bad is the spoofing problem if
half the threads here are only bickering to begin
with? :)

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 by: Bob Campbell - Fri, 19 May 2023 12:51 UTC

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> When you “settle”, the charges are dropped and no one “pleads guilty”.
>> That’s why its called a “settlement”. Pleading guilty and paying a fine
>> is NOT a “settlement”.
>
> Not correct.
>
> A settling means accepting the claim and paying a fine for it, albeit
> smaller, saving time and layer fees.

Nope. Settling means the plaintiff drops the charges and the defendant
does not plead guilty. Since the charges are dropped, there is nothing to
plead guilty to.

IOW, everyone wins.

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 by: Umberto - Fri, 19 May 2023 13:38 UTC

On 19/05/2023 14:29, nospam wrote:

> unfortunately, some lawyers take advantage of that by filing frivolous
> lawsuits and then offer to 'go away' for a small settlement amount.
> what's worse is they claim they 'won' when in fact, they did nothing of
> the sort. it's simply blackmail.

Poor Apple. All that money paid to settle all those lawsuits Apple loses.
All only because of those nasty lawyers.

As if Apple has no lawyers of their own.
And never because of anything Apple did.

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Fri, 19 May 2023 14:10 UTC

Am 18.05.23 um 14:44 schrieb nospam:
> In article <4lhhjjx724.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> the problem is when a regulations are based on politics instead of
>>> actual facts, especially ones regulators do not understand.
>>>
>>> as is often the case, such decisions are made to further one's own
>>> career rather than what is best for society.
>>
>> Oh, but this regulation is very good for our society. We love it.
>
> actually it isn't.
>
> it's not for the eu or any regulatory agency to dictate what type of
> connector a company chooses to use on their products because it stifles
> innovation.

Irrelevant and not more than your personal opinion.

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Fri, 19 May 2023 14:11 UTC

Am 19.05.23 um 11:16 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> We think otherwise.
> That it pisses Apple and Apple "fan-atics" is a bonus that makes us
> happy :-P

Is that you, Carlos? Not really.

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Fri, 19 May 2023 14:13 UTC

Am 19.05.23 um 11:24 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 2023-05-19 07:49, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 18.05.23 um 23:11 schrieb nospam:
>>> In article <u46331$65sm$2@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On 2023-05-18 13:33, Newyana2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Newyana2 in this thread is Arlen! Check the headers.
>>>
>>> no, it's mayayana.
>>
>> Nope. It is probably an identity theft.
>
> AFAIK, he confirmed somewhere that he is mayayana.

*ROTFLSTC*
He is a Troll anyway.

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