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          |      |`* Re: Lanman98 to Raspios (bullseye) now blocked?Doug Webb
          |      | `* Re: Lanman98 to Raspios (bullseye) now blocked?Paul Sprangers
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          |      | `* Re: Lanman98 to Raspios (bullseye) now blocked?Brian Howlett
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          `- Re: Lanman98 to Raspios (bullseye) now blocked?Steve Fryatt

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Re: Lanman98 to Raspios (bullseye) now blocked?

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From: new...@rjdarby.co.uk (Richard Darby (news))
Subject: Re: Lanman98 to Raspios (bullseye) now blocked?
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 by: Richard Darby (news) - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:23 UTC

In article <59bfa2f053news@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> Thanks for those URL.

> Again the app runs to the icon bar but is still incapable of finding any
> Host or IP address. (Icon bar menu- Browse-Search for Host...

> VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20

> IP address is 192.168.0.4 and the Host (Windows computer) is blackfan.

> Dave

> LM98 has no problem seeing and connecting with that.

> Server: blackfan
> Share: C

> D.

Are you running a NFS server on your target machine? (Moonfish on RISC
OS, you may have to obtain one for Windows, however it is part of Linux)

Richard Darby.

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Subject: Re: Lanman98 to Raspios (bullseye) now blocked?
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 by: Dave - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 11:48 UTC

In article <59bfb99995news@rjdarby.co.uk>,
Richard Darby (news) <news@rjdarby.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <59bfa2f053news@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > Thanks for those URL.

> > Again the app runs to the icon bar but is still incapable of finding
> > any Host or IP address. (Icon bar menu- Browse-Search for Host...

> > VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20

> > IP address is 192.168.0.4 and the Host (Windows computer) is blackfan.

> > Dave

> > LM98 has no problem seeing and connecting with that.

> > Server: blackfan
> > Share: C

> > D.

> Are you running a NFS server on your target machine? (Moonfish on RISC
> OS, you may have to obtain one for Windows, however it is part of Linux)

> Richard Darby.

Thanks for the thought Richard.
TBH. I have no idea what any of that means...

At present I have LM98, I configure the Servers and Shares in the required
files and it works between this machine, and other machine on the LAN.

Mr Fryatt seems to think Sunfish is so easy to setup, obviously it is Not!

Dave

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 by: Dave - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 12:05 UTC

In article <59bfc15ac1news@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <59bfb99995news@rjdarby.co.uk>,
> Richard Darby (news) <news@rjdarby.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <59bfa2f053news@triffid.co.uk>,
> > Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > > Thanks for those URL.

> > > Again the app runs to the icon bar but is still incapable of finding
> > > any Host or IP address. (Icon bar menu- Browse-Search for Host...

> > > VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20

> > > IP address is 192.168.0.4 and the Host (Windows computer) is
> > > blackfan.

> > > Dave

> > > LM98 has no problem seeing and connecting with that.

> > > Server: blackfan Share: C

> > > D.

> > Are you running a NFS server on your target machine? (Moonfish on
> > RISC OS, you may have to obtain one for Windows, however it is part of
> > Linux)

> > Richard Darby.

> Thanks for the thought Richard. TBH. I have no idea what any of that
> means...

> At present I have LM98, I configure the Servers and Shares in the
> required files and it works between this machine, and other machine on
> the LAN.

> Mr Fryatt seems to think Sunfish is so easy to setup, obviously it is
> Not!

> Dave

I've just pootled around the Google looking up info about NFS servers...
Don't make me laugh... I've got more chance of walking to the moon than
understanding that stuff. :-/

Dave

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 by: Chris Hughes - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 12:38 UTC

In message <59bfc15ac1news@triffid.co.uk>
Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <59bfb99995news@rjdarby.co.uk>,
> Richard Darby (news) <news@rjdarby.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <59bfa2f053news@triffid.co.uk>,
>> Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

>>> Thanks for those URL.

>>> Again the app runs to the icon bar but is still incapable of finding
>>> any Host or IP address. (Icon bar menu- Browse-Search for Host...

>>> VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20

>>> IP address is 192.168.0.4 and the Host (Windows computer) is blackfan.

>>> Dave

>>> LM98 has no problem seeing and connecting with that.

>>> Server: blackfan
>>> Share: C

>>> D.

>> Are you running a NFS server on your target machine? (Moonfish on RISC
>> OS, you may have to obtain one for Windows, however it is part of Linux)

>> Richard Darby.

> Thanks for the thought Richard.
> TBH. I have no idea what any of that means...

> At present I have LM98, I configure the Servers and Shares in the required
> files and it works between this machine, and other machine on the LAN.

> Mr Fryatt seems to think Sunfish is so easy to setup, obviously it is Not!

LM98 uses Samba for connecting (currently only supports the old Samba v1,

NFS (Network Filing System), uses a different protocol usually TCP/IP.
RISCOS NFS client app. Sunfish currently only supports NFS v2 and v3

You need to install an NFS server on your Windows computer (as its no
longer supplied by default I believe) so Sunfish can communicate with it,
but if using say a Synology NAS its available installed and you just need
to tick a box in its settings to turn it on.

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 by: Doug Webb - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 12:51 UTC

In message <59bfc15ac1news@triffid.co.uk>
Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

>> Are you running a NFS server on your target machine? (Moonfish on RISC
>> OS, you may have to obtain one for Windows, however it is part of Linux)

>> Richard Darby.

> Thanks for the thought Richard.
> TBH. I have no idea what any of that means...

I think this just highlights the fact that though alternatives exist to
the issue around SMB1 working most people either through comfortability
with existing ways of working, personal preferences or lack of inertia
just wish to retain what they have at the moment.

If you are most likely used to a mixed RISCOS/Windows environment then LM
is the easier option but if you have a wider mixed environment, including
Linux/MacOS/NAS OS of what ever flavour etc, then it may not be and that
is just the reality of the situation.

The sooner the bounty work is completed the better and that would reduce
another barrier to using/retaining RISCOS in the mix.

Note that we will not get around the other big barrier with the bounty
which is sharing the other way via a Samba Server from Windows to RISCOS
and this is where NFS on RISCOS does excel at the moment in that we have
both a working client, Sunfish, and server, Moonfish where Samba server on
RISCOS is a little unstable.

In the meantime we users can try and help other stay with us by offering
help and support as once a user leaves it is harder to get them back.

--
Experience the future using ARM Technology - ARMBook,BeagleBoard -xM,
PandaBoard,Raspberry Pi,iMX6/ARMX6,IGEPv5 & Titanium powered by RISC OS
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 by: Bob Latham - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 13:03 UTC

In article <59bfc15ac1news@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <59bfb99995news@rjdarby.co.uk>,
> Richard Darby (news) <news@rjdarby.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <59bfa2f053news@triffid.co.uk>,
> > Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > > Thanks for those URL.

> > > Again the app runs to the icon bar but is still incapable of
> > > finding any Host or IP address. (Icon bar menu- Browse-Search
> > > for Host...

> > > VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20

> > > IP address is 192.168.0.4 and the Host (Windows computer) is
> > > blackfan.

> > > Dave

> > > LM98 has no problem seeing and connecting with that.

> > > Server: blackfan Share: C

> > > D.

> > Are you running a NFS server on your target machine? (Moonfish
> > on RISC OS, you may have to obtain one for Windows, however it is
> > part of Linux)

> > Richard Darby.

> Thanks for the thought Richard. TBH. I have no idea what any of
> that means...

> At present I have LM98, I configure the Servers and Shares in the
> required files and it works between this machine, and other machine
> on the LAN.

> Mr Fryatt seems to think Sunfish is so easy to setup, obviously it
> is Not!

IIRC you have a an old Synology NAS Dave?

If so log in,
Control panel
File Services
First tab SMB/AFP/NFS
Scroll down to the bottom..
Enable NFS - Apply.

Bob.

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 by: Dave - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 15:51 UTC

In article <59bfc842cabob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> IIRC you have a an old Synology NAS Dave?

> If so log in,
> Control panel
> File Services
> First tab SMB/AFP/NFS
> Scroll down to the bottom..
> Enable NFS - Apply.

> Bob.

Indeed I do Bob,
Unfortunately, these days I hardly ever use it and I certainly wouldn't
want to have it in action for every day use, it's just soooooo damn slow
to do anything.

Dave

So it seems, to get this easy to set up and use thing working, I need
Sunfish and something called Moonfish installed on RISC OS.

I then need to source an NFS something to install on the Windows side.

My, ain't that just easy peasy... Not. ;-)

How does one find an NFS something to install on Windows?

Looks like another job for Mr Google.

Dave

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 by: Bob Latham - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 17:06 UTC

In article <59bfd7a704news@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> Indeed I do Bob,

> Unfortunately, these days I hardly ever use it and I certainly
> wouldn't want to have it in action for every day use, it's just
> soooooo damn slow to do anything.

The suggestion wasn't intended for long term use it was so that you
could quite easily get "something" to work with NFS in order for you
to make a start.

Bob.

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 by: David Higton - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 19:47 UTC

In message <59bf6f66f7news@triffid.co.uk>
Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> Found Sunfish 2.05 put it in my VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20
>
> Did the Search for Host and tried with both Hostname and IP address...
> Nothing except an error.
>
> ** WimpError ** from Sunfish
> Error : &00000000
> Message: Error when sending or receiving data (Operation timed out)
>
> Apart from the obvious... I've no idea what that means.
> ?

Are you pointing Sunfish at an NFS server, i.e. some device or computer
that is presenting at least one drive via NFS?

Only some NAS support NFS, and in some cases the support is optional,
i.e. you'd have to enable it. And if you're talking about a Windows
box, AFAIK it wouldn't support NFS unless you added some NFS server
software, which you'd have to search for, so it would be a decision
that you'd be very aware of. (If that's changed in recent years, I'm
happy to be corrected.)

The NAS I'm using is a RasPi 3B+ with OpenMediaVault and two 2.5" WD
portable drives. I've just tried accessing one of them via Sunfish
and can report that it works. I know I enabled NFS in OpenMediaVault.

David

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 by: David Higton - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 19:53 UTC

In message <59bfd7a704news@triffid.co.uk>
Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> So it seems, to get this easy to set up and use thing working, I need
> Sunfish and something called Moonfish installed on RISC OS.

Need both? Depends on what you want to do.

Sunfish is a client - you use that to access a server somewhere, e.g.
your old NAS, or your Windows box with some NFS server software installed.

Moonfish is a server - you use that if you want to share out one or more
drives on your RISC OS box so that some other client can see it/them via
NFS.

I always have Moonfish running, sharing out my desktop RasPi's RAMFS and
HardDisc4 so that the Linux box can see them.

David

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 by: Dave - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 20:47 UTC

In article <59bfc842cabob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> IIRC you have a an old Synology NAS Dave?

> If so log in,
> Control panel
> File Services
> First tab SMB/AFP/NFS
> Scroll down to the bottom..
> Enable NFS - Apply.

Thanks for that Bob,
Did that, and got a Diskstation icon in the Sunfish NFS servers window.

But that's it, nothing else, when clicked it just brings up a small new
empty filer window.

No idea how it would show the files on the NAS. (Yes lots of files on the
NAS)

Best of all... When I did "Search for host" it totally froze RISC OS, and
I mean totally, requiring an exit by naughty methods.

Enough, enough...! All this aggravation... Simple my arse!

I'm in my mid 70s and the best outcome would be if I die before LM98
ceases to function. :-)
Unfortunately, in my family, folks seem to hang on until in the late 80s.

Dave :-)

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 by: David Higton - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:25 UTC

In message <59bff2b897news@triffid.co.uk>
Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <59bfc842cabob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> > IIRC you have a an old Synology NAS Dave?
>
> > If so log in, Control panel File Services First tab SMB/AFP/NFS Scroll
> > down to the bottom.. Enable NFS - Apply.
>
> Thanks for that Bob, Did that, and got a Diskstation icon in the Sunfish
> NFS servers window.
>
> But that's it, nothing else, when clicked it just brings up a small new
> empty filer window.
>
> No idea how it would show the files on the NAS. (Yes lots of files on the
> NAS)
>
> Best of all... When I did "Search for host" it totally froze RISC OS, and I
> mean totally, requiring an exit by naughty methods.

I've emailed you two apps to turn alignment exceptions off and on, in
case this makes a difference.

David

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In article <59bff2b897news@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> Unfortunately, in my family, folks seem to hang on until in the late 80s.

I'm happy to read that Dave, as I enjoy reading your posts.
As a result of this thread, I also downloaded Sunfish on my Pi4. It runs,
it finds one single map on my QNAP NAS automatically, and I even managed to
write a file to it. But whatever I do next, even just a mouse click, it
will invariably crash Sunfish with a postmortem. Although this is still a
bit better than your experience, it hardly can be called useful.
So, you're not alone.

Kind regards,
Paul

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 by: Doug Webb - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:59 UTC

In message <59bffd1c16Paul@sprie.nl>
Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:

> In article <59bff2b897news@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

>> Unfortunately, in my family, folks seem to hang on until in the late 80s.

> I'm happy to read that Dave, as I enjoy reading your posts.
> As a result of this thread, I also downloaded Sunfish on my Pi4. It runs,
> it finds one single map on my QNAP NAS automatically, and I even managed to
> write a file to it. But whatever I do next, even just a mouse click, it
> will invariably crash Sunfish with a postmortem. Although this is still a
> bit better than your experience, it hardly can be called useful.
> So, you're not alone.

Check that it's Info box says

2.05 (08 Jun 2013)

If it does not then re read how to get it to that version that I put in an
earlier post or see below:

Obtain a copy via Packman 2.05 which is 2.05 (22 May 2010) or:

http://riscos.info/packages/arm/Disc/Sunfish_2.05-2.zip

And then getting the FrontEnd ARMV7 compliant !RunImage from:

https://www.riscosports.co.uk/downloads.html

Which updates it to 2.05 (08 Jun 2013).

As said before the update to SMB2 or 3 of LanManFS would be good but that
only allows RISC IS to see files on a Windows or Linux system configured
to use Samba and it doesn't allow those systems to see your RISC OS files
unless you have Samba Server running on RISCOS and that is flakey.

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From: New...@avisoft.f9.co.uk (Martin)
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 by: Martin - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 23:42 UTC

In article <59bff2b897news@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <59bfc842cabob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> > IIRC you have a an old Synology NAS Dave?

> > If so log in,
> > Control panel
> > File Services
> > First tab SMB/AFP/NFS
> > Scroll down to the bottom..
> > Enable NFS - Apply.

> Thanks for that Bob, Did that, and got a Diskstation icon in the
> Sunfish NFS servers window.

> But that's it, nothing else, when clicked it just brings up a small
> new empty filer window.

> No idea how it would show the files on the NAS. (Yes lots of files
> on the NAS)

I have not used Sunfish myself, but I do have a Synology box which I
can connect to using the NFS that is part of a modern OmniClient.

To do that I have to define a mount to NFS which includes
- Name for display on RISC OS
- Server name (ie DiskStation or whetever)
- Directory name, which is the shared folder name on the Synology
- User Name/password for read/write access to that shared folder.

Ie very similar to LanMan[98]

I assume that similar details have to be set in Sunfish for it to
display the mounted folder.

But I also have no bother directly accessing my shared folders on
Win10pro using LanMan98!

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Martin Avison
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In article <59c002b61aNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]

> I have not used Sunfish myself, but I do have a Synology box which I
> can connect to using the NFS that is part of a modern OmniClient.

> To do that I have to define a mount to NFS which includes
> - Name for display on RISC OS
> - Server name (ie DiskStation or whetever)
> - Directory name, which is the shared folder name on the Synology
> - User Name/password for read/write access to that shared folder.

> Ie very similar to LanMan[98]

> I assume that similar details have to be set in Sunfish for it to
> display the mounted folder.

Unlike LM98... There isn't anywhere in Sunfish to set anything... Well if
there is, I can't find it. (Nothing inside the Appdir nor in the Icon bar
menu).

> But I also have no bother directly accessing my shared folders on
> Win10pro using LanMan98!

Neither do I have any bother ATM., and additionally I have a LM98 disk
configured for the NAS Diskstation so if it is ever on, I can access it
from RISC OS.

If one day in the near future LM98 can no longer do the business, I'm
looking for an alt.

What I need is to find an NFS app for windows, I did try one yesterday
from SourceForge, but as it was a bit old it didn't seem to like Win10 pro.

Thanks for the thoughts.

Dave

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 by: Sprow - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 08:03 UTC

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 11:44:54 PM UTC, Martin wrote:
> In article <59bff2b...@triffid.co.uk>,
> Dave <ne...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <59bfc8...@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
> > Bob Latham <b...@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> > > IIRC you have a an old Synology NAS Dave?
>
> I have not used Sunfish myself, but I do have a Synology box which I
> can connect to using the NFS that is part of a modern OmniClient.
>
> To do that I have to define a mount to NFS which includes
> - Name for display on RISC OS
> - Server name (ie DiskStation or whetever)
> - Directory name, which is the shared folder name on the Synology
> - User Name/password for read/write access to that shared folder.

If you find Sunfish crashy, it's worth giving the NFS client included with RISC OS 5 (though it's not specific to RISC OS 5) a look in as Martin says.
The one bit of instruction he's missed though is that it's turned off in OmniClient by default. To enable it change the line
SetEval Omni$NFS
to 1 in the !Omni.Files.Startup obey file. That causes the NFS client to be loaded after which you can enter the mount details along the lines described above,
Sprow.

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 by: Paul Sprangers - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:09 UTC

In article <37c6febf59.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>,
Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Check that it's Info box says

> 2.05 (08 Jun 2013)

It does. (I already followed your download instructions.)
Although it does make contact to one particular directory on my QNAP NAS,
and although I'm able to read and write from/to that directory, there's
nothing else that I can do that doesn't crash Sunfish immediately. It seems
as if half of the menu entries are missing. For example, 'Edit entry' just
isn't there, nor is the 'name mount window'. The help file talks about
options that I just can't find, while the continuous crashes discourage me
from trying again and again. Could it be the Pi4 (4té actually), that is
too advanced for a program that hasn't been updated for 9 years?

Kind regards,
Paul Sprangers

--
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 by: Paul Sprangers - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:24 UTC

In article <63df4320-7c95-4672-970f-46f47e6c8aben@googlegroups.com>,
Sprow <news@sprow.co.uk> wrote:

> SetEval Omni$NFS

My former post crossed yours. Setting Omni$NFS to 1 enables the extra
options indeed. But unfotunately, it doesn't change anything about the
horrible and continuous crashes.

Kind regards,
Paul Sprangers

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 by: Martin - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:49 UTC

In article <59c0380e57Paul@sprie.nl>,
Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:
> In article <63df4320-7c95-4672-970f-46f47e6c8aben@googlegroups.com>,
> Sprow <news@sprow.co.uk> wrote:

> > SetEval Omni$NFS

> My former post crossed yours. Setting Omni$NFS to 1 enables the
> extra options indeed. But unfotunately, it doesn't change anything
> about the horrible and continuous crashes.

What is crashing horribly?
And how?
I can only find your previous reference to Sunfish crashing.

If you have NFS enabled under OmniClient, you do not need Sunfish
running at all. The mount can be done using OnmiClient, using NFS.

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 by: Bob Latham - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:53 UTC

In article <59bff2b897news@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <news@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <59bfc842cabob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> > IIRC you have a an old Synology NAS Dave?

> > If so log in,
> > Control panel
> > File Services
> > First tab SMB/AFP/NFS
> > Scroll down to the bottom..
> > Enable NFS - Apply.

> Thanks for that Bob,

> Did that, and got a Diskstation icon in the Sunfish NFS servers
> window.

> But that's it, nothing else, when clicked it just brings up a small
> new empty filer window.

> No idea how it would show the files on the NAS. (Yes lots of files
> on the NAS)

Right so you've turned on the NFS server on the NAS and Sunfish can
now see the NAS. Now share a folder...

On your NAS, goto Control Panel
Shared Folders.

Choose a folder to share (NFS).
Highlight it and click edit tag.

In the new window click the NFS permissions.

Now you're into the very, very weird world of NFS settings but don't
panic.

Click create tab.

The settings I have that work are:

Client: 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0
Privilege: Read/Write
Squash: No Mapping
Asynchronous: Yes
Non-Privileged: Denied
Cross-Mount: Denied

Clearly, if your network ip is 192.168.0.x then change the first line
appropriately.

I've no idea what much of the rest of it means but it seems to work.

Bob.

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In message <63df4320-7c95-4672-970f-46f47e6c8aben@googlegroups.com>
Sprow <news@sprow.co.uk> wrote:

> On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 11:44:54 PM UTC, Martin wrote:
>> In article <59bff2b...@triffid.co.uk>,
>> Dave <ne...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In article <59bfc8...@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
>>> Bob Latham <b...@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> IIRC you have a an old Synology NAS Dave?
>>
>> I have not used Sunfish myself, but I do have a Synology box which I
>> can connect to using the NFS that is part of a modern OmniClient.
>>
>> To do that I have to define a mount to NFS which includes
>> - Name for display on RISC OS
>> - Server name (ie DiskStation or whetever)
>> - Directory name, which is the shared folder name on the Synology
>> - User Name/password for read/write access to that shared folder.

> If you find Sunfish crashy, it's worth giving the NFS client included with
> RISC OS 5 (though it's not specific to RISC OS 5) a look in as Martin
> says.
> The one bit of instruction he's missed though is that it's turned off in
> OmniClient by default. To enable it change the line
> SetEval Omni$NFS
> to 1 in the !Omni.Files.Startup obey file. That causes the NFS client to
> be loaded after which you can enter the mount details along the lines
> described above,

I had forgotten NFS was in OmiClient, that option was already enabled as
it happens after I checked.

But on attempting to access my Synology NAS which is working with Sunfish
after I remembered to enable it in the NAS via NFS in Omniclient and add
permissions.

I get the message "RPC communication failed on the mount" in an error box.

Omniclient 2.28 (15 Mar 18) and NFS 0.71 (29 Jan 18)

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 by: Doug Webb - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 11:08 UTC

In message <59c0369d61Paul@sprie.nl>
Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:

> It does. (I already followed your download instructions.)
> Although it does make contact to one particular directory on my QNAP NAS,
> and although I'm able to read and write from/to that directory, there's
> nothing else that I can do that doesn't crash Sunfish immediately. It seems
> as if half of the menu entries are missing. For example, 'Edit entry' just
> isn't there, nor is the 'name mount window'. The help file talks about
> options that I just can't find, while the continuous crashes discourage me
> from trying again and again. Could it be the Pi4 (4té actually), that is
> too advanced for a program that hasn't been updated for 9 years?

Ok so if you have browsed for a NFS server it will be in the SunFish
window that has a title like NFS Servers.

You will see the actual server s you can see there most likely with a IP
address.

Select mouse one of them and then hit the Menu mouse button and then
Browse 'IP address' and you can set if the transport is UDP/TCP and also
the NFS level.

If you double click select mouse on the server you then have another
window with a picture of a directory including the sunfish icon in it.

Select that and then mouse menu and edit 'directory name' and you can :

Name export - what it is called
Filename and filetype choices
Connection choices
User id choices

All this is covered in the help file within Sunfish.

Hope this helps.

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In article <59c03a528fNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> What is crashing horribly?
> And how?

Apologise, I should have been more specific. And less dramatic.
After having established a connection, Sunfish crashes on nearly every
mouse click, either Menu or Select, either in the filer window or on the
iconbar icon. It just crashes, it doesn't freeze the machine. But the fact
that it happens invariably is quite horrendous for me.

I now realise that I don't need Sunfish at all, but following this thread I
wanted to give it a try. Anyhow, just having learned that Omni supports NFC
as well is appeasing for ignorant souls like me.

Kind regards,
Paul

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 by: Doug Webb - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 11:37 UTC

In message <8e0841c059.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

> I get the message "RPC communication failed on the mount" in an error box.

> Omniclient 2.28 (15 Mar 18) and NFS 0.71 (29 Jan 18)

Most likely you have not enter the correct details.

Just tried it to Moonfish running on another machine here:

Server Name - Used IP address or can use it's name
Directory Path - Put in the directory name that is being exported in this
case 'NFS'
User name - used 'nobody'

And it is connected but you don't get the same flexibility that SunFish
provides on NFS versions/transport type udp/TCP etc

I have tried this on an ARMX6 and RaspberryPi4 and no crashes :-)

Hope this helps

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