On 2021-04-25, Wizard1969 <Wizard1969@f137.n4.z21.fsxnet> wrote:

> I also can tell when a company stops innovating, dipshit.

Obviously not, since Apple hasn't stopped innovating.

Stay dumb, idiot.

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On Apr 26, 2021, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article <iensmmFn00cU1@mid.individual.net>):

> On 2021-04-25, Wizard1969<Wizard1969@f137.n4.z21.fsxnet> wrote:
>
> > I also can tell when a company stops innovating, dipshit.
>
> Obviously not, since Apple hasn't stopped innovating.
>
> Stay dumb, idiot.

Hey Jolly Roger,

I don’t necessarily agree that Apple has stopped innovating entirely but
Wizard1969 makes a good point about how firing the NeXT developers right
after Steve Jobs died , I think particularly Scott Forstall and John Browett
, has made at least the software end of things stagnant. You were also the
one that opened up with the dumb ad-hominem against him instead of arguing a
point.

In article <0001HW.2638C2D0030D40E97000059FF38F@us.newsdemon.com>,
Voltan <voltan@hawktheslayer.com> wrote:

> > > I also can tell when a company stops innovating, dipshit.
> >
> > Obviously not, since Apple hasn't stopped innovating.
> >
> > Stay dumb, idiot.
>
> Hey Jolly Roger,
>
> I don¹t necessarily agree that Apple has stopped innovating entirely but
> Wizard1969 makes a good point about how firing the NeXT developers right
> after Steve Jobs died ,

they did no such thing.

> I think particularly Scott Forstall and John Browett

both deserved to be fired, particularly forstall.

> has made at least the software end of things stagnant.

nonsense. it is in no way stagnant.

> You were also the
> one that opened up with the dumb ad-hominem against him instead of arguing a
> point.

there wasn't any point.

it was a troll from the start.

On 2021-04-27, Voltan <voltan@hawktheslayer.com> wrote:
> On Apr 26, 2021, Jolly Roger wrote
> (in article <iensmmFn00cU1@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 2021-04-25, Wizard1969<Wizard1969@f137.n4.z21.fsxnet> wrote:
>>
>>> I also can tell when a company stops innovating, dipshit.
>>
>> Obviously not, since Apple hasn't stopped innovating.
>>
>> Stay dumb, idiot.
>
> Hey Jolly Roger,
>
> I don’t necessarily agree that Apple has stopped innovating

They *haven't* stopped innovating. Clueless people who claim that are
just plain *wrong*. Often, they don't even know what innovation is. They
seem to think only "never-before-seen inventions" qualify as innovation,
when that's definitely not the case.

> Wizard1969 makes a good point about how firing the NeXT developers
> right after Steve Jobs died

Fake news. Apple didn't do that. But since you mention it, Avie Tevanian
leaving in 2006 (five years *before* Steve died) was *definitely* a Good
Thing™. His utterly revolting Technical Note 2034 nearly drove long-time
Apple developers away from the Mac platform in droves, it was so
anti-Apple in nature. What a complete shit show that was! Good riddance.

<http://www.drissman.com/avi/misc/tn2034/reply.txt>

> I think particularly Scott Forstall

Nah. Scott Forstall was holding Apple back on multiple fronts. It was
time for new blood.

> and John Browett

No, he was detrimental to Apple's retail goals, and was famous for Apple
Store policies and reductions in store staff that detracted from the
customer experience in the name of squeezing as much profit as possible
from them. Angela Ahrendts reversed things and was a *much* better fit.

> has made at least the software end of things stagnant.

Nope. Apple's software isn't stagnant.

> instead of arguing a point.

His point (that Apple no longer innovates) is wrong.

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In article <iermjkFepdfU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>
> > Wizard1969 makes a good point about how firing the NeXT developers
> > right after Steve Jobs died
>
> Fake news. Apple didn't do that. But since you mention it, Avie Tevanian
> leaving in 2006 (five years *before* Steve died) was *definitely* a Good
> Thing. His utterly revolting Technical Note 2034 nearly drove long-time
> Apple developers away from the Mac platform in droves, it was so
> anti-Apple in nature. What a complete shit show that was! Good riddance.

avi was an arrogant conceited obnoxious prick.

On 2021-04-28, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <iermjkFepdfU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> > Wizard1969 makes a good point about how firing the NeXT developers
>> > right after Steve Jobs died
>>
>> Fake news. Apple didn't do that. But since you mention it, Avie Tevanian
>> leaving in 2006 (five years *before* Steve died) was *definitely* a Good
>> Thing. His utterly revolting Technical Note 2034 nearly drove long-time
>> Apple developers away from the Mac platform in droves, it was so
>> anti-Apple in nature. What a complete shit show that was! Good riddance.
>
> avi was an arrogant conceited obnoxious prick.

Yep. Good riddance.

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In article <ietfdvFotseU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> > Wizard1969 makes a good point about how firing the NeXT developers
> >> > right after Steve Jobs died
> >>
> >> Fake news. Apple didn't do that. But since you mention it, Avie Tevanian
> >> leaving in 2006 (five years *before* Steve died) was *definitely* a Good
> >> Thing?. His utterly revolting Technical Note 2034 nearly drove long-time
> >> Apple developers away from the Mac platform in droves, it was so
> >> anti-Apple in nature. What a complete shit show that was! Good riddance.
> >
> > avi was an arrogant conceited obnoxious prick.
>
> Yep. Good riddance.

he insisted carbon could never work and cocoa was the only way forward.

fortunately, saner heads prevailed.