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* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJulien_ÉLIE
+- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupThomas Hochstein
`* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJulien_ÉLIE
 +* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJesse Rehmer
 |`* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupRuss Allbery
 | `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupNigel Reed
 |  `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupThomas Hochstein
 |   `* Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupJesse Rehmer
 |    `- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupNigel Reed
 `- Re: New Big-8 NewsgroupThomas Hochstein

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Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
From: Julien_ÉLIE
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp, news.admin.hierarchies
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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 11:56 UTC
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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien_ÉLIE)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 13:56:19 +0200
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Hi Nigel,

Adding news.admin.hierarchies in the discussion because it may be time to generate new PGP keys for still active hierarchies.


You can download:

     https://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/PGPKEYS

and just run gpg --import on it.

Doh, totally missed that bit right at the end. Is it expected that most
of the keys wont import?


gpg: Total number processed: 103
gpg:     skipped PGP-2 keys: 87
gpg:               imported: 16

The 16 keys still recognized by current GnuPG releases are the ones of the Big-Eight, aioe, bofh, fr, grisbi, hacktic, hr, ie, mensa, microsoft, pbinfo, perl, pgsql, sfnet, szaf, us.

belwue, bln, de, ffm, fido7, hun, it, ka, linux, openwatcom, uk and z-netz have sent control articles these last 10 years, and still have PGP-2 keys...

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Quoi de plus inhumain qu'un sacrifice humain ? » (Alphonse Allais)


Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
From: Thomas Hochstein
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Julien ÉLIE schrieb:

Adding news.admin.hierarchies in the discussion because it may be time
to generate new PGP keys for still active hierarchies.

Still on the ever-growing todo list ...


Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
From: Julien_ÉLIE
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp, news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: Groupes francophones par TrigoFACILE
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 21:28 UTC
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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien_ÉLIE)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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Just a ping :-)
Finding a packaged old version of GnuPG to verify old keys will be more and more difficult year by year...


Is it expected that most of the keys wont import?


gpg: Total number processed: 103
gpg:     skipped PGP-2 keys: 87
gpg:               imported: 16

The 16 keys still recognized by current GnuPG releases are the ones of the Big-Eight, aioe, bofh, fr, grisbi, hacktic, hr, ie, mensa, microsoft, pbinfo, perl, pgsql, sfnet, szaf, us.

belwue, bln, de, ffm, fido7, hun, it, ka, linux, openwatcom, uk and z-netz have sent control articles these last 10 years, and still have PGP-2 keys...

I hope hierarchy administrators will manage to find a bit of time; news admins will be grateful for that :-)

--
Julien ÉLIE

« – Hou hou !
   – Ouille, ouille !
   – Ouf !
   – Où ouf ? » (Astérix)


Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
From: Jesse Rehmer
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp, news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: BlueWorld Usenet https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 22:36 UTC
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From: jesse.re...@blueworldhosting.com (Jesse Rehmer)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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On 6/1/22 4:28 PM, Julien ÉLIE wrote:

The 16 keys still recognized by current GnuPG releases are the ones of the Big-Eight, aioe, bofh, fr, grisbi, hacktic, hr, ie, mensa, microsoft, pbinfo, perl, pgsql, sfnet, szaf, us.

Does https://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/PGPKEYS need updating?  You mention newer keys for Big-Eight, aioe, and others, but I only see the old key after importing:

[news@spool1 ~/src]$ gpg --list-keys --homedir=/usr/local/news/etc/pgp news.announce.newgroups
pub   1024R/B88DA9C1 1996-04-10
uid                  news.announce.newgroups


Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
From: Thomas Hochstein
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 17:15 UTC
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From: thh...@thh.name (Thomas Hochstein)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2022 19:15:32 +0200
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Julien ÉLIE schrieb:

Just a ping :-)
Finding a packaged old version of GnuPG to verify old keys will be more
and more difficult year by year...

Yep. https://lists.debian.org/debian-qa/2022/04/msg00008.html

I hope hierarchy administrators will manage to find a bit of time; news
admins will be grateful for that :-)

Still on the to-do list ...

-thh


Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
From: Russ Allbery
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Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> writes:

Does https://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/PGPKEYS need updating?  You
mention newer keys for Big-Eight, aioe, and others, but I only see the
old key after importing:

[news@spool1 ~/src]$ gpg --list-keys --homedir=/usr/local/news/etc/pgp
news.announce.newgroups
pub   1024R/B88DA9C1 1996-04-10
uid                  news.announce.newgroups

Yeah, sorry, this has been on my list for forever and I kept forgetting to
do it.  I've updated the source for ftp.isc.org and hopefully it should
update in the next few days.

--
Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org)             https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/

          Please post questions rather than mailing me directly.
     https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/questions.html explains why.


Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
From: Nigel Reed
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp, news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: End Of The Line BBS
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From: sys...@endofthelinebbs.com (Nigel Reed)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:38:32 -0700
Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:

Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> writes:

Does https://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/PGPKEYS need updating?  You
mention newer keys for Big-Eight, aioe, and others, but I only see
the old key after importing: 

[news@spool1 ~/src]$ gpg --list-keys
--homedir=/usr/local/news/etc/pgp news.announce.newgroups
pub   1024R/B88DA9C1 1996-04-10
uid                  news.announce.newgroups 

Yeah, sorry, this has been on my list for forever and I kept
forgetting to do it.  I've updated the source for ftp.isc.org and
hopefully it should update in the next few days.

When I try to import those keys I get a lot of


gpg:     skipped PGP-2 keys:

messages. Is there a workaround before I go searching? A quick look
didn't give anything overly useful.

Thanks,



--
End Of The Line BBS - Plano, TX
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Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
From: Thomas Hochstein
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp, news.admin.hierarchies
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Nigel Reed wrote:

When I try to import those keys I get a lot of


gpg:     skipped PGP-2 keys:

messages.

Do you use gpg1 (i.e. 1.x) or gpg2 (i.e. 2.x)?

GnuPG 2.1.18 and newer won't import those keys; you'll need to use GnuPG
1.x (and gpg, not gpgv for verification).

-thh


Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
From: Jesse Rehmer
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp, news.admin.hierarchies
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On 6/12/22 5:34 AM, Thomas Hochstein wrote:
Nigel Reed wrote:

When I try to import those keys I get a lot of


gpg:     skipped PGP-2 keys:

messages.

Do you use gpg1 (i.e. 1.x) or gpg2 (i.e. 2.x)?

GnuPG 2.1.18 and newer won't import those keys; you'll need to use GnuPG
1.x (and gpg, not gpgv for verification).

-thh

You could mess around trying to get a version of GnuPG 2.x working, but in the end I also found the path of least resistance to be using GnuPG 1.4.x.  Not ideal, but covers the most keys still in use on Usenet.


Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
From: Nigel Reed
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From: sys...@endofthelinebbs.com (Nigel Reed)
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Subject: Re: New Big-8 Newsgroup
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 23:33:02 -0700
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:02:20 -0500
Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> wrote:

On 6/12/22 5:34 AM, Thomas Hochstein wrote:
Nigel Reed wrote:
 
When I try to import those keys I get a lot of


gpg:     skipped PGP-2 keys:

messages. 

Do you use gpg1 (i.e. 1.x) or gpg2 (i.e. 2.x)?

GnuPG 2.1.18 and newer won't import those keys; you'll need to use
GnuPG 1.x (and gpg, not gpgv for verification).

-thh 

You could mess around trying to get a version of GnuPG 2.x working,
but in the end I also found the path of least resistance to be using
GnuPG 1.4.x.  Not ideal, but covers the most keys still in use on
Usenet.

That's about the conclusion I had come to. Thanks for confirming. I'll
go install gpg1.

Thanks,
Nigel


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