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Maybe it was limited to 24?

I have a comment in my TO.COM saying I was using READ SYS$COMMAND instead of INQUIRE to avoid putting things in the RECALL buffer. So what were its limits long ago? Probably pre-2000.

TIA!

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 by: Phillip Helbig (undr - Wed, 21 Dec 2022 12:16 UTC

In article <be211299-a4cf-41c9-a03e-e7a4f6a1964fn@googlegroups.com>,
"alanfe...@gmail.com" <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> writes:

> Maybe it was limited to 24?
>
> I have a comment in my TO.COM saying I was using READ SYS$COMMAND
> instead of INQUIRE to avoid putting things in the RECALL buffer. So what
> were its limits long ago? Probably pre-2000.

Maybe for security reasons rather than limited length?

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On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 7:16:33 AM UTC-5, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> In article <be211299-a4cf-41c9...@googlegroups.com>,
> "alanfe...@gmail.com" <alanfe...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Maybe it was limited to 24?
> >
> > I have a comment in my TO.COM saying I was using READ SYS$COMMAND
> > instead of INQUIRE to avoid putting things in the RECALL buffer. So what
> > were its limits long ago? Probably pre-2000.
> Maybe for security reasons rather than limited length?
I don't recall when the limit was changed, but yes there was a limit to the number of commands available.

Dan

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alanfe...@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2022 um 12:56:13 UTC+1:
> Maybe it was limited to 24?

From OpenVMS V7.1 User Manual (NOV-1991):

On OpenVMS VAX systems, the recall buffer holds up to 20 previously entered commands.
On OpenVMS Alpha systems, the recall buffer holds up to 254 previously entered commands.

Command line recall seems to have been introduced in V6.2

Volker.

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 by: abrsvc - Wed, 21 Dec 2022 17:13 UTC

On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-5, Volker Halle wrote:
> alanfe...@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2022 um 12:56:13 UTC+1:
> > Maybe it was limited to 24?
> From OpenVMS V7.1 User Manual (NOV-1991):
>
> On OpenVMS VAX systems, the recall buffer holds up to 20 previously entered commands.
> On OpenVMS Alpha systems, the recall buffer holds up to 254 previously entered commands.
>
> Command line recall seems to have been introduced in V6.2
>
> Volker.

Recall was introduced in the V5.x timeframe. I just verified that it works in V5.5-2. I have the release notes for these older versions somewhere, I will try to locate when this started.

Dan

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 by: Phillip Helbig (undr - Wed, 21 Dec 2022 18:38 UTC

In article <05d009ab-6059-4bbf-b199-88243c142954n@googlegroups.com>,
abrsvc <dansabrservices@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-5, Volker Halle wrote:
> > alanfe...@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2022 um 12:56:13 UTC+1:
> > > Maybe it was limited to 24?
> > From OpenVMS V7.1 User Manual (NOV-1991):
> >
> > On OpenVMS VAX systems, the recall buffer holds up to 20 previously entered commands.
> > On OpenVMS Alpha systems, the recall buffer holds up to 254 previously entered commands.
> >
> > Command line recall seems to have been introduced in V6.2
> >
> > Volker.
>
> Recall was introduced in the V5.x timeframe.

Definitely.

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> >
> > Recall was introduced in the V5.x timeframe.
> Definitely.

Was there at least as far back as V5.0. Described in section 4.2 of

http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/vax/vms/5.0/AA-LA10A-TE_VMS_5.0_DCL_Concepts_Manual_198804.pdf

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 by: Stephen Hoffman - Wed, 21 Dec 2022 21:43 UTC

On 2022-12-21 11:56:11 +0000, alanfe...@gmail.com said:

> I have a comment in my TO.COM saying I was using READ SYS$COMMAND
> instead of INQUIRE to avoid putting things in the RECALL buffer. So
> what were its limits long ago? Probably pre-2000.

INQUIRE has various issues, not the least of which is pollution of the
command-line recall buffer with random input rubbish; pollution of the
shell history.

The ability of INQUIRE to execute certain DCL commands within the
context of prompt input is another issue.

Any use of INQUIRE is blocked in some security-relevant contexts.

Alas, the command is still around and still occasionally used and still
occasionally causing problems and still polluting the users' recall
buffers.

--
Pure Personal Opinion | HoffmanLabs LLC

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 by: Arne Vajhøj - Wed, 21 Dec 2022 22:33 UTC

On 12/21/2022 12:13 PM, abrsvc wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-5, Volker Halle wrote:
>> alanfe...@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2022 um 12:56:13 UTC+1:
>>> Maybe it was limited to 24?
>> From OpenVMS V7.1 User Manual (NOV-1991):
>>
>> On OpenVMS VAX systems, the recall buffer holds up to 20 previously entered commands.
>> On OpenVMS Alpha systems, the recall buffer holds up to 254 previously entered commands.
>>
>> Command line recall seems to have been introduced in V6.2
>
> Recall was introduced in the V5.x timeframe. I just verified that it
> works in V5.5-2. I have the release notes for these older versions
> somewhere, I will try to locate when this started.
It definitely goes way back in 5.x. Maybe even back to 4.x.

The 20 limit sounds right for those days.

Arne

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On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 6:56:13 AM UTC-5, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maybe it was limited to 24?
>
> I have a comment in my TO.COM saying I was using READ SYS$COMMAND instead of INQUIRE to avoid putting things in the RECALL buffer. So what were its limits long ago? Probably pre-2000.
>
> TIA!

I just realized that I still have the V4.4 User Manual! It has a DCL appendix with all the DCL commands! RECALL is there, and it is limited to 20 previous commands. Sorry I didn't realize that sooner.

Thanks for all the info. I will review it now. (^_^(

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On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-5, Volker Halle wrote:
> alanfe...@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2022 um 12:56:13 UTC+1:
> > Maybe it was limited to 24?
> From OpenVMS V7.1 User Manual (NOV-1991):
>
> On OpenVMS VAX systems, the recall buffer holds up to 20 previously entered commands.
> On OpenVMS Alpha systems, the recall buffer holds up to 254 previously entered commands.
>
> Command line recall seems to have been introduced in V6.2
>
> Volker.

Wow, as late as 6.2 on VAX it was only 20 previous commands!

Introduced in V4.4 or earlier.

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On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 4:43:34 PM UTC-5, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
> On 2022-12-21 11:56:11 +0000, alanfe...@gmail.com said:
>
> > I have a comment in my TO.COM saying I was using READ SYS$COMMAND
> > instead of INQUIRE to avoid putting things in the RECALL buffer. So
> > what were its limits long ago? Probably pre-2000.
> INQUIRE has various issues, not the least of which is pollution of the
> command-line recall buffer with random input rubbish; pollution of the
> shell history.
>
> The ability of INQUIRE to execute certain DCL commands within the
> context of prompt input is another issue.
>
> Any use of INQUIRE is blocked in some security-relevant contexts.
>
> Alas, the command is still around and still occasionally used and still
> occasionally causing problems and still polluting the users' recall
> buffers.
>
>
> --
> Pure Personal Opinion | HoffmanLabs LLC

Thanks for the tip! Looks like I got it right, keeping READ SYS$COMMAND in my procedures. OK. (^_^(

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On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 5:33:13 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 12/21/2022 12:13 PM, abrsvc wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-5, Volker Halle wrote:
> >> alanfe...@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2022 um 12:56:13 UTC+1:
> >>> Maybe it was limited to 24?
> >> From OpenVMS V7.1 User Manual (NOV-1991):
> >>
> >> On OpenVMS VAX systems, the recall buffer holds up to 20 previously entered commands.
> >> On OpenVMS Alpha systems, the recall buffer holds up to 254 previously entered commands.
> >>
> >> Command line recall seems to have been introduced in V6.2
> >
> > Recall was introduced in the V5.x timeframe. I just verified that it
> > works in V5.5-2. I have the release notes for these older versions
> > somewhere, I will try to locate when this started.
> It definitely goes way back in 5.x. Maybe even back to 4.x.
>
> The 20 limit sounds right for those days.
>
> Arne

Yep. At least back to 4.4. See my first post.

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On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 5:43:23 PM UTC-5, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 5:33:13 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> > On 12/21/2022 12:13 PM, abrsvc wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-5, Volker Halle wrote:
> > >> alanfe...@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2022 um 12:56:13 UTC+1:
> > >>> Maybe it was limited to 24?
> > >> From OpenVMS V7.1 User Manual (NOV-1991):
> > >>
> > >> On OpenVMS VAX systems, the recall buffer holds up to 20 previously entered commands.
> > >> On OpenVMS Alpha systems, the recall buffer holds up to 254 previously entered commands.
> > >>
> > >> Command line recall seems to have been introduced in V6.2
> > >
> > > Recall was introduced in the V5.x timeframe. I just verified that it
> > > works in V5.5-2. I have the release notes for these older versions
> > > somewhere, I will try to locate when this started.
> > It definitely goes way back in 5.x. Maybe even back to 4.x.
> >
> > The 20 limit sounds right for those days.
> >
> > Arne
> Yep. At least back to 4.4. See my first post.

Uh, make that my 2nd post.

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 by: Arne Vajhøj - Wed, 21 Dec 2022 23:56 UTC

On 12/21/2022 5:41 PM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-5, Volker Halle wrote:
>> alanfe...@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2022 um 12:56:13 UTC+1:
>>> Maybe it was limited to 24?
>> From OpenVMS V7.1 User Manual (NOV-1991):
>>
>> On OpenVMS VAX systems, the recall buffer holds up to 20 previously entered commands.
>> On OpenVMS Alpha systems, the recall buffer holds up to 254 previously entered commands.
>>
>> Command line recall seems to have been introduced in V6.2
>
> Wow, as late as 6.2 on VAX it was only 20 previous commands!
>
> Introduced in V4.4 or earlier.

I seem to recall (pun intended!) that it was like:

before - buffer usually had way more than 20 commands but recall command
only showed the last 20

after - byte size of buffer was increased and recall command shows what
was actually there

correct?

I have an old code fragment:

movl #CTL$AG_CLIDATA,r0
movl W^PPD$L_PRC(r0),r0
moval W^PRC_G_COMMANDS(r0),r0
movc3 #PRC_C_CMDBUFSIZ,(r0),(r1)

Was PRC_C_CMDBUFSIZ increased from like 256 to like 1024?

Arne

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I'm late to the party, but command recall was introduced in VAX/VMS
V4.0, and it was limited to 20 commands.

I wrote an article for VAX PROFESSIONAL that covered a program I wrote
to allow you to save, restore, and flush the command recall buffer:

https://hunter.goatley.com/vax-professional-articles/vax-pro-02/

I also wrote a program that was included in my FILESERV and in the DECUS
SIG tapes that would patch DCL to extend the number of entries up to 62.

DCL_RECALL is still on my FILESERV:

https://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv_search.exe?package=recall&description=&author=&system=Either&language=All&RD=&RM=&RY=

It was eventually obsoleted when OpenVMS Alpha V6.1 was released and
some version of VAX (probably V6). They finally extended the buffer size.

Hunter
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Hunter Goatley, Process Software, goathunter@goatley.com

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In article <tq9954$vm84$1@dont-email.me>, Hunter Goatley
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> I'm late to the party, but command recall was introduced in VAX/VMS
> V4.0, and it was limited to 20 commands.

It's still limited in MAIL and NEWSRDR. Something for a rainy day. :-)

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