Hi.

Got an invite to the French "Rendez-vous autour de VMS" 31 Jan.

One point in the agenda says:

"Nouveauté du côté des licences : communauté, et une bonne nouvelle !"

Or:

"News on the licensing side: community, and some good news!

I wonder what can be "good news" related to licensing?
In particular when one know the opinion from the French user group...

Jan-Erik.

On 2023-01-27, Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Got an invite to the French "Rendez-vous autour de VMS" 31 Jan.
>
> One point in the agenda says:
>
> "Nouveauté du côté des licences : communauté, et une bonne nouvelle !"
>
> Or:
>
> "News on the licensing side: community, and some good news!
>
> I wonder what can be "good news" related to licensing?
> In particular when one know the opinion from the French user group...
>
> Jan-Erik.

Well, that's interesting.

I wonder if it has _finally_ got through to VSI management just how
badly the time-limited licences have been received by the VMS community ?

Simon.

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On 1/27/2023 1:48 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-01-27, Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> Got an invite to the French "Rendez-vous autour de VMS" 31 Jan.
>>
>> One point in the agenda says:
>>
>> "Nouveauté du côté des licences : communauté, et une bonne nouvelle !"
>>
>> Or:
>>
>> "News on the licensing side: community, and some good news!
>>
>> I wonder what can be "good news" related to licensing?
>> In particular when one know the opinion from the French user group...
>>
>> Jan-Erik.
>
> Well, that's interesting.
>
> I wonder if it has _finally_ got through to VSI management just how
> badly the time-limited licences have been received by the VMS community ?
>
> Simon.
>

I have always thought that VSI would have to listen to the customers, if they
wished to retain those customers.

Up until now, x86 VMS is not ready for use. I may have mentioned a few times
that I would not consider it viable until native compilers were available. That
is just now happening with some languages, but not all.

Some people are testing x86 VMS, but I really doubt it is in production at this
time. As that time does approach, customers will be informing VSI what they
require. Perhaps VSI is now hearing from enough customers to better understand
the situation.

I've always viewed the wailing and moaning about licenses a non-issue, and that
customers would in the end get what they needed.

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On 1/27/2023 6:41 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 1/27/2023 1:48 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> On 2023-01-27, Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> wrote:
>>> Got an invite to the French "Rendez-vous autour de VMS" 31 Jan.
>>>
>>> One point in the agenda says:

>>> "News on the licensing side: community, and some good news!
>>>
>>> I wonder what can be "good news" related to licensing?
>>> In particular when one know the opinion from the French user group...

>> I wonder if it has _finally_ got through to VSI management just how
>> badly the time-limited licences have been received by the VMS community ?
>
> I have always thought that VSI would have to listen to the customers, if
> they wished to retain those customers.

Listening to customers is generally a good idea.

> Up until now, x86 VMS is not ready for use.  I may have mentioned a few
> times that I would not consider it viable until native compilers were
> available.  That is just now happening with some languages, but not all.
>
> Some people are testing x86 VMS, but I really doubt it is in production
> at this time.  As that time does approach, customers will be informing
> VSI what they require.  Perhaps VSI is now hearing from enough customers
> to better understand the situation.

If some people has believed that when 9.2 was out then VMS x86-64
was all done, then they could not have been more wrong.

First we need the native compilers. Cross compilers are
not good enough. VMS tradition, confidence in VMS x86-64
and the problem with relying on a dead platform Itanium
makes native compilers a must.

Then the ISV's and open source maintainers need to
add support for VMS x86-64. We already know that Rdb
will be a year of waiting.

And then the sites need to start testing, planning
of migration and budgeting for migration.

And then the actual migration.

I don't know precise how long time it will take, but
to me something like 2023: 0%, 2024: 10%, 2025: 25%,
2026: 50%, 2027: 75%, 2028: 85%, 2029: 90%, 2030: 95%
does not sound unrealistic.

Arne

On 1/27/2023 7:32 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> If some people has believed that when 9.2 was out then VMS x86-64
> was all done, then they could not have been more wrong.
>
> First we need the native compilers. Cross compilers are
> not good enough. VMS tradition, confidence in VMS x86-64
> and the problem with relying on a dead platform Itanium
> makes native compilers a must.
>
> Then the ISV's and open source maintainers need to
> add support for VMS x86-64. We already know that Rdb
> will be a year of waiting.
>
> And then the sites need to start testing, planning
> of migration and budgeting for migration.
>
> And then the actual migration.
>
> I don't know precise how long time it will take, but
> to me something like 2023: 0%, 2024: 10%, 2025: 25%,
> 2026: 50%, 2027: 75%, 2028: 85%, 2029: 90%, 2030: 95%
> does not sound unrealistic.

From the recent french VMS meeting writeup:

<quote>
For customers and vendor partners, VSI recommends on its slide to start
using the x86 version and to set up development environments by 2022. For
2023 it is the replication of the application construction environment and
production with native compilers followed by functional tests. 2024 should
be devoted to integration testing and production deployment.
</quote>

Arne